Wimberley at Boerne

[rb585]

I believe.

[Tejastrue]

Gotta believe! :clap:

[Tejastrue]

Hey Mojo84. Would appreciate you sharing some Boerne insight if you don't mind.

[Mojo84]

Wish I had some insight.

Spoke to a couple of your coaches scouting our last game. They indicated Boerne and Wimberley are having similar years. Pretty frustrating. Losing our qb to the baseball injury really upset our apple cart. Probably more than it should have. It's hard for a 3a program to replace a D1 prospect like him.

I do know our boys are working hard to try and finish strong. Just as I'm sure yours are as well.

Best wishes for a good injury free game. Watch out for the deer while on the road. The rut is on and the deer are dumber than normal. Come by the Dog and Pony Grill for some pregame nourishment. Should be plenty of friendly hounds there as well.

[Tejastrue]

I hope our coaches were pleasant. haha. Yeah, I knew about the QB loss. Just terrible. To be honest I think that helped turn the tide against you in the baseball playoffs as well. Just thought you might want to get things off your chest. Who'd thought that out teams would be fighting for their playoff lives on the final game of district play just a year separated from a most spectacular game between these two schools. Best wishes to you guys as well and just fyi..I almost hit a pretty good sized buck coming home this evening (in the dark). Dang time change has messed everything up. lol

[Mojo84]

Really enjoyed the visit with your coaches. Very pleasant and professional.

Yeah, this has been one of those character building or revealing seasons.

[Pudlugger]

HFA for Boerne +1 in this one. Wimberley plays for a 4th spot in the playoffs but they are down the past 3 games and may not get back up enough to get the win. It will be close.

[LV_Bearfan]

Texans by 14.

[Gone Fishing]

Must Believe.......

[Mojo84]

I hope our coaches were pleasant. haha. Yeah, I knew about the QB loss. Just terrible. To be honest I think that helped turn the tide against you in the baseball playoffs as well. Just thought you might want to get things off your chest. Who'd thought that out teams would be fighting for their playoff lives on the final game of district play just a year separated from a most spectacular game between these two schools. Best wishes to you guys as well and just fyi..I almost hit a pretty good sized buck coming home this evening (in the dark). Dang time change has messed everything up. lol


By the way, they didn't mind telling me where they were from like the other guy was at the first of the season.

[catfish]

Boerne has to beat Wimberley by 15 to get in,good luck TEXANS!

[Mojo84]

How do you figure 15? I've been told 17 and 20. Was told max differential is 20.

[catfish]

How do you figure 15? I've been told 17 and 20. Was told max differential is 20.

Not positive,just heard it thru scuttlebutt.

[Tejastrue]

I had to check Webster's for that one. :)

[Gone Fishing]

Wouldn't Bandera get in if they beat Fred and Boerne beat Wimberley? Don't see it happening cause I "believe" Wimberley will win, but just saying.

[Mojo84]

Wouldn't Bandera get in if they beat Fred and Boerne beat Wimberley? Don't see it happening cause I "believe" Wimberley will win, but just saying.

What chance do you give Bandera in beating Fred?

[Gone Fishing]

What chance do you give Bandera in beating Fred?

None....... Bandera was probably the worst High school team (3A) that I have seen play since Ingram Moore or Brady since I have been watching Wimberley football.....with that said, you never know, I'm sure some senior boys on that team are pumping the other guys up, saying "that we still have a chance"!!!!!!!!! I lived that my own personal senior year......Thats why we play the game. Bottom line is Wimberley just has to win and then it takes care of it's self.

[rb585]

So wait a minute... If Bandera loses, and Boerne wins by less than 15 or so... Wimberley makes the playoffs with a. 1-4 record?

[Mojo84]

So wait a minute... If Bandera loses, and Boerne wins by less than 15 or so... Wimberley makes the playoffs with a. 1-4 record?

I believe you are correct. Not sure about the margin though. If Boerne wins by the required margin they also could make it with a 1-4 record. How wonderful is that?

And we wonder why so many feel entitled nowadays.

[Trench Warrior]

Ask Boerne how bad Bandera is! And you are right, if Boerne wins by 17 and Bandera loses then Boerne is in. If Bandera wins and Boerne wins, then Bandera is in, and if Wimberley wins then this is all a mute point.

[Tejastrue]

Go Texans!! :clap:

[bag-o-chips]

Good Luck tonight Texans I will be pulling for you to represent!

[rb585]

Boerne led 10-0, Wimberley scored 28 in a row. 28-16 at half.

[bag-o-chips]

Sweet. Navarro up 35-0 at half

[rb585]

35-16.

Navarro leads 62-0. How in the world did we lose to Canyon Lake?

[rb585]

Final : 56-31

[bag-o-chips]

Congrats !

[LV_Bearfan]

Well, WT made the party. Now, it gets interesting. Congrats .

[Tejastrue]

Never been to a Wimberley game before where the Texan fans were so vocal, yelling crap directed at the coaching staff about play calling. That happened tonight. Oh well, it's been a rough season and that had to be the longest game of the decade. Flags flying galore, but what made it worse was the amount of time it took to discuss ball placement, explaining calls and confused refs everywhere. Ugly game to say the least.

[Mojo84]

Congrats to the Texans.

That was one of the most poorly officiated games I have ever seen in my life. Unfortunately, we've had a few of those this and last year. It looked like 5 keystone cops running around out there. The referee crew huddled as much as the teams did.

[Tejastrue]

Thanks Mojo. It was indeed brutal. It looked like a new recruit training game for the officials. :dispntd:

[Mojo84]

I think they must have driven around a picked up some homeless guys and told them they could work the game for alcohol or dope. I still can't get over just how poor some of the officiating has been.

The only redeeming quality, they were equally sorry and inconsistent for/against both teams.

Well, on to basketball we go. Will be following the playoffs and wishing our district foes well.

[LV_Bearfan]

LV / Somerset had about a hundred penalties for about a million yards. Crazy. Two ejections including the Detmer kid and La Vernia's top linebacker (helmet to helmet). Countless offsetting penalties. Somerset had some legitimate beefs, but they were their own worst enemy because they lost their composure.

[catfish]

Never been to a Wimberley game before where the Texan fans were so vocal, yelling crap directed at the coaching staff about play calling. That happened tonight. Oh well, it's been a rough season and that had to be the longest game of the decade. Flags flying galore, but what made it worse was the amount of time it took to discuss ball placement, explaining calls and confused refs everywhere. Ugly game to say the least.

Too bad those doing the yelling at the coaches don't have the huevos to go to the coaches and express their opinion face to face.It is easy to be a coward in a crowd.First year with a new staff,I would think the Wimberley fans have enough football smarts to cut the new coaches some slack.

[Tejastrue]

From what I could tell, some had relatives on the team. Typical I guess when things are not going well. It really was hard to get anything from this game. With all the penalties and delays neither team could get any kind of rhythm established. Did any other Wimberley downlowers make this game? Now, if you were some of the those that were yelling, well...:dispntd:.

[catfish]

From what I could tell, some had relatives on the team. Typical I guess when things are not going well. It really was hard to get anything from this game. With all the penalties and delays neither team could get any kind of rhythm established. Did any other Wimberley downlowers make this game? Now, if you were some of the those that were yelling, well...:dispntd:.

Lots of coaches after the fact.Every football play ever designed ,is supposed to score a touchdown.The variables of 22 ,16 and 17 year olds of differing athletic abilities ,trying to execute the plays are what makes it successful or not.A coach can call the same play at 2 different times in a game,one scores a touchdown and he is a genius, the other results in a loss and he is a bum....I would love to pull one of those smart a$$es out out the stands on a 4th and 4,with the game on the line,hand them the play card,and say"you have 5 seconds,choose a play". I think it would be fun to watch to pee run down their leg.

[LV_Bearfan]

The thing I don't understand is this. WT hasn't historically been good every year. There were up and down years with Nelms too. Has everyone forgotten that high school football is more about average seasons than it is about great seasons. If it weren't for the struggles, the championships wouldn't be appreciated nearly as much. Sounds like a bunch of folks decided that WT is entitled to success every year. The team I follow has never won anything nearly as great as a state championship, but they have actually beaten WT more than they've been beaten. That means there have been down years for WT...More than many seem to remember. WT has been so greatly blessed. It's hard for this average fan of an average program to relate to what appears to be classless behavior from a few in a community that has always been respected and worthy of respect for more than wins and losses. I'd have given much to just once see a run like you folks have enjoyed multiple times. I guess when you win it all, things change. Best of luck this week. I hope your boys are focused and make you all proud to the best of their abilities.

[Gone Fishing]

What was said or yelled out? Were the people out of line close enough to the main group of fans, that someone could have pointed them out and told them to shut their trap.

[bag-o-chips]

But hey the Coaches in the Stands are unbeaten and have never lost a game. I was a little League Director and ran several tournaments and the worst ones who yelled at the refs were the Stand Umps. I had to have several escorted away by Security and even had one run on the field after a game! I hate the stands now.

[rb585]

The thing I don't understand is this. WT hasn't historically been good every year. There were up and down years with Nelms too. Has everyone forgotten that high school football is more about average seasons than it is about great seasons. If it weren't for the struggles, the championships wouldn't be appreciated nearly as much. Sounds like a bunch of folks decided that WT is entitled to success every year.

First, for the record, I wasn't there Friday.

Second, I don't know if it's totally "entitled to success." I don't think anyone went into the season expecting this team to dominate, or even keep the district winning streak alive. But they have underachieved, and the coaching staff has struggled. I think if a brand new coach had been brought into town, the attitude might have been different. But all of these guys are Nelms' guys, and one of the reasons you keep and promote the same staff is for the benefits of continuity, and well, we haven't seen those benefits.

[Gone Fishing]

The thing I don't understand is this. WT hasn't historically been good every year. There were up and down years with Nelms too. Has everyone forgotten that high school football is more about average seasons than it is about great seasons. If it weren't for the struggles, the championships wouldn't be appreciated nearly as much. Sounds like a bunch of folks decided that WT is entitled to success every year. The team I follow has never won anything nearly as great as a state championship, but they have actually beaten WT more than they've been beaten. That means there have been down years for WT...More than many seem to remember. WT has been so greatly blessed. It's hard for this average fan of an average program to relate to what appears to be classless behavior from a few in a community that has always been respected and worthy of respect for more than wins and losses. I'd have given much to just once see a run like you folks have enjoyed multiple times. I guess when you win it all, things change. Best of luck this week. I hope your boys are focused and make you all proud to the best of their abilities.

LV there really wasn't up and down years with Nelms. At least not his last tour here. I only remember one year not making the playoffs (08) I know in 04 05(SC) 06 07 09 10 11(SC) and 12 were all pretty up. You might be thinking of the previous two coaches before Nelm's that were up and down seasons all the time. We just completed 4 straight undefeated years of district play. But to your point (and Tejas) on the classless behavior people, its always that 10% factor that can make the other 90% look bad. Its one thing to have opinions with people behind doors, at the coffee shop or even on here, but there is no place for it at a game where others can hear. Again, Im sure it was only a few.

Another note, Our record doesn't show it, but we are playing and have the ability to play a whole lot better than the first meeting with LV. We have played some really good teams since then (LH, Navarro, Fredricksburg) close for a half or even more, and could have won each of those games if more things would have gone our way. I expect WT to give LV everything they want and then some this week. Glad its here, we are due a home victory for sure and law of average on our side. Lol...... Good luck and safe travel.

[Gone Fishing]

First, for the record, I wasn't there Friday.

Second, I don't know if it's totally "entitled to success." I don't think anyone went into the season expecting this team to dominate, or even keep the district winning streak alive. But they have underachieved, and the coaching staff has struggled. I think if a brand new coach had been brought into town, the attitude might have been different. But all of these guys are Nelms' guys, and one of the reasons you keep and promote the same staff is for the benefits of continuity, and well, we haven't seen those benefits.

There are a lot of new faces also RB. Coach Smith, Coach Holt, Coach Ficac and Coach Pearce ( he left but not with Nelm's) were all replaced. Thats 5 or 6 new faces replacing some very very good asst coaches. (most with two state rings).....just saying.

[LV_Bearfan]

LV there really wasn't up and down years with Nelms. At least not his last tour here. I only remember one year not making the playoffs (08) I know in 04 05(SC) 06 07 09 10 11(SC) and 12 were all pretty up. You might be thinking of the previous two coaches before Nelm's that were up and down seasons all the time. We just completed 4 straight undefeated years of district play. But to your point (and Tejas) on the classless behavior people, its always that 10% factor that can make the other 90% look bad. Its one thing to have opinions with people behind doors, at the coffee shop or even on here, but there is no place for it at a game where others can hear. Again, Im sure it was only a few.

Another note, Our record doesn't show it, but we are playing and have the ability to play a whole lot better than the first meeting with LV. We have played some really good teams since then (LH, Navarro, Fredricksburg) close for a half or even more, and could have won each of those games if more things would have gone our way. I expect WT to give LV everything they want and then some this week. Glad its here, we are due a home victory for sure and law of average on our side. Lol...... Good luck and safe travel.

I know you guys who post here are class folks. Not really talking to or about you. I'm just trying to understand the quick judgement on the current staff. Also, I guess you're right about the success of Nelms. I haven't followed the coaching changes that closely through the years. Believe me, I know we will have our hands full Friday night. I don't like playing WT twice a year. The second one has often not gone very well.

[Gone Fishing]

But hey the Coaches in the Stands are unbeaten and have never lost a game. I was a little League Director and ran several tournaments and the worst ones who yelled at the refs were the Stand Umps. I had to have several escorted away by Security and even had one run on the field after a game! I hate the stands now.


LOL yeah Chips, they are also the ones that just drop little Johnny or Susie off for practice and leave never asking to help mow, chalk the field, ump, coach or work the food stand, yeah we all know that guy....Lol..Had to remove a few myself.

[Tejastrue]

Just let me clarify that it was not like the whole Wimberley side joined in on this and there were many others that appeared disgusted about what was happening. It's just the ones doing all the heckling were very, very vocal. If I had to gestimate the numbers it would be in the 10-12 range. My whole point here was that I was surprised and caught off guard with what I heard. It is jmo but the stands is not exactly the ideal place to share this sort of displeasure. There are specific venues for that. I guess I probably should have left this alone but I found it uncharacteristic of Wimberley Texan supporters. Hey, we scored 56 points!

[rb585]

There are a lot of new faces also RB. Coach Smith, Coach Holt, Coach Ficac and Coach Pearce ( he left but not with Nelm's) were all replaced. Thats 5 or 6 new faces replacing some very very good asst coaches. (most with two state rings).....just saying.

I admitted as soon as Nelms left that I was as worried about losing Smith as I was about losing Nelms. But we typically have 15+ coaches in the team picture, so losing 4 is not much turnover at all after a head coach leaves, and actually less than that because a couple of coaches were bumped up from junior high.

Point is, most of these players and most of these coaches didn't need to be introduced back in August. Because of that, the extent of the "growing pains" we've had this season have been very surprising.

[catfish]

I admitted as soon as Nelms left that I was as worried about losing Smith as I was about losing Nelms. But we typically have 15+ coaches in the team picture, so losing 4 is not much turnover at all after a head coach leaves, and actually less than that because a couple of coaches were bumped up from junior high.

Point is, most of these players and most of these coaches didn't need to be introduced back in August. Because of that, the extent of the "growing pains" we've had this season have been very surprising.

At the risk of hurting the feelings of some parents,hopefully, no players,every athletic program has up and down years.But,people have to understand that when you are using almost the same system every year,the main variable is athletic ability and overall player skill.I would NEVER say anything derogatory about the Wimberley players,they bust their butts every day and on every play......But,parents of player always think their children are of the same or superior athletic ability of any previous class,so the problem must lie elsewhere,ie,the coaches.....Also,I am not saying he did,but a factor in some coach moves,are because they see the handwriting on the wall.....By the way,this comes from a father whose son had a senior season of 1-9,but, I did not blame the coaches.

[Snotbubbles]

We all know Nelms is a great coach. And, I assure you, he is no dummy, and knew when to depart. WT will be back sooner than later too. And, those hounding the staff now, are blind. It was pretty clear out the gate, at Floresville scrimmage, the talent level wasn't up to your lovely towns standards. Not the coaches fault IMO. Nelms would of been a .500 at best too.

How did the SV, JH Texans do this year? This downer year might be short-lived. Hang in there homies.

[Gone Fishing]

I admitted as soon as Nelms left that I was as worried about losing Smith as I was about losing Nelms. But we typically have 15+ coaches in the team picture, so losing 4 is not much turnover at all after a head coach leaves, and actually less than that because a couple of coaches were bumped up from junior high.

Point is, most of these players and most of these coaches didn't need to be introduced back in August. Because of that, the extent of the "growing pains" we've had this season have been very surprising.

Don't let the pictures deceive you RB, there are about 7 or 8 coaches. The other guys in the pics don't mean much to the success at varsity. Also a couple of JH coaches did get moved up but a couple JH coaches left also ,so that was a push at best because the new ones are basketball and base ball guys, not football guys... Dick Smith is a great coach (fantastic) and I agree, but Nelm's was / is special for this level of football. He managed as well as I have seen at this level. He created HIS program and then demanded it to be carried out. I think Warren can do it too, the proof will be in the pudding......

The "growing pains" really are not surprising, (snotbubbles too) The JV was not good and the Fr not good. The Fr-8th-7th this year should be our next big wave to go deep when they are Sr, Jr, soph. JMO.

[Snotbubbles]

The JV was not good and the Fr not good. The Fr-8th-7th this year should be our next big wave to go deep when they are Sr, Jr, soph. JMO.
Yikes!!! Not sure the fan base will give Warren that long.

[Tejastrue]

Considering who the people are that make those decisions I think he will be given every opportunity to put the Warren touch to this program and rightfully so.

[rb585]

We all know Nelms is a great coach. And, I assure you, he is no dummy, and knew when to depart. WT will be back sooner than later too. And, those hounding the staff now, are blind. It was pretty clear out the gate, at Floresville scrimmage, the talent level wasn't up to your lovely towns standards. Not the coaches fault IMO.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've been a broken freaking record about the Floresville scrimmage all season.

The problem is that this team played pretty well the first three weeks of the season, then got worse. The problem is that this team had multiple games where they played well in the first half, then came out of the locker room after halftime with absolutely nothing. The problem is that this team got absolutely rolled from start to finish by a bad Canyon Lake team.

None of those are talent problems.


Nelms would of been a .500 at best too.

lol, you have to be joking. And Nelms didn't depart because of anything about Wimberley. He left because Weatherford asked him what it would take and they gave him everything he asked for.

[Snotbubbles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've been a broken freaking record about the Floresville scrimmage all season.

The problem is that this team played pretty well the first three weeks of the season, then got worse. The problem is that this team had multiple games where they played well in the first half, then came out of the locker room after halftime with absolutely nothing. The problem is that this team got absolutely rolled from start to finish by a bad Canyon Lake team.

None of those are talent problems.



lol, you have to be joking. And Nelms didn't depart because of anything about Wimberley. He left because Weatherford asked him what it would take and they gave him everything he asked for.

That's your take. I have mine. You think he'd gone 8-2, 7-3 with this team? Dream on. He can't make slow fast. Talent level just not there. And, as you are so sure that W'ford offer was the reason he departed, I'm just assured it was the talent pool for the next few years. I think a mixture of both our reasons, is what really happened. Had he had another 2011 talent type team coming back, he might not of been looking, or fielding calls from other schools. So, it was the perfect storm for what was best for Nelms, to get out of dodge, as his career comes winding down.

[rb585]

That's your take. I have mine. You think he'd gone 8-2, 7-3 with this team? Dream on. He can't make slow fast. Talent level just not there. And, as you are so sure that W'ford offer was the reason he departed, I'm just assured it was the talent pool for the next few years.

This isn't my "take" -- I'm friends with a coach who went with him. Weatherford called Nelms and asked if he was interested. Nelms said no. They asked what it would take to get him interested. Nelms started naming pie-in-the-sky type stuff. Weatherford said OK. Nelms kept naming pie-in-the-sky type stuff. Weatherford kept saying OK. And that's why he's gone.

[catfish]

This isn't my "take" -- I'm friends with a coach who went with him. Weatherford called Nelms and asked if he was interested. Nelms said no. They asked what it would take to get him interested. Nelms started naming pie-in-the-sky type stuff. Weatherford said OK. Nelms kept naming pie-in-the-sky type stuff. Weatherford kept saying OK. And that's why he's gone.

Boy,you are as green as the grass.Whenever a coach leaves for a different job,there are several stock answers the give.More money, better job,wanted to coach at a higher level,get closer to family,or several others.No coach is ever going to say they have problems with the sup, the board,facilities,coaches salaries,staffing or many others.They are definitely not going to say anything derogatory about the kids,because he loves them like their own.So,no matter what you and your coach buddy think you know,only Nelms knows for sure,and he ain't talking....So,lets talk about what we DO know.......Coach Warrens credentials.1 He has a coaching pedigree.He grew up in a coaching family,his father was a Texas high school coach for over 35 years.Coach Nelms thought so highly of him,he was asked to give the pregame speech on several occasions...2 His brother is the head coach at AbIline high,and has won at least 1 5a state championship since being there....3 Coach Warren has been coaching Texas football for over 20 years and was personally recommended to the board by Coach Nelms.....He is only 10 games into the job and has to put up with sniping from would be expert coaches who hide behind names on forums like cowards,because the don't have the balls to go knock on his door and discuss things like a man.I don't know who you are,but this is the picture I get.You played high school football,you coach your son pee wee team on Sat.mornings.you watch college and pro football on the weekends,and you watch Mike Ditka draw plays,so now you are an expert....I know some football also,but I am smarter than you,because I know the Wimberley coaches know more than I will ever hope to know.You are dangerous,because some other arm chair expert might read your post and actually think you know what you are talking about...I don't live in Wimberley anymore,but I do try and make as many games as I can.You will probably see me at the game,I will be the one cheering and encouraging the players and coaches.....That is all I will have to say on this subject,my Daddy always told me,"son,don't argue with idiots,they drag you down to their level,and beat you with experience".Adios,GO TEXANS!!

[panfan]

Man - an entire season gone by and all the Wimbo folks can talk about in damn near every thread is why their coach left. Geez - get over it, focus on the team and staff at hand and go win something.

[rb585]

Boy,you are as green as the grass.Whenever a coach leaves for a different job,there are several stock answers the give.More money, better job,wanted to coach at a higher level,get closer to family,or several others.No coach is ever going to say they have problems with the sup, the board,facilities,coaches salaries,staffing or many others.They are definitely not going to say anything derogatory about the kids,because he loves them like their own.So,no matter what you and your coach buddy think you know,only Nelms knows for sure,and he ain't talking....So,lets talk about what we DO know.......Coach Warrens credentials.1 He has a coaching pedigree.He grew up in a coaching family,his father was a Texas high school coach for over 35 years.Coach Nelms thought so highly of him,he was asked to give the pregame speech on several occasions...2 His brother is the head coach at AbIline high,and has won at least 1 5a state championship since being there....3 Coach Warren has been coaching Texas football for over 20 years and was personally recommended to the board by Coach Nelms.....He is only 10 games into the job and has to put up with sniping from would be expert coaches who hide behind names on forums like cowards,because the don't have the balls to go knock on his door and discuss things like a man.I don't know who you are,but this is the picture I get.You played high school football,you coach your son pee wee team on Sat.mornings.you watch college and pro football on the weekends,and you watch Mike Ditka draw plays,so now you are an expert....I know some football also,but I am smarter than you,because I know the Wimberley coaches know more than I will ever hope to know.You are dangerous,because some other arm chair expert might read your post and actually think you know what you are talking about...I don't live in Wimberley anymore,but I do try and make as many games as I can.You will probably see me at the game,I will be the one cheering and encouraging the players and coaches.....That is all I will have to say on this subject,my Daddy always told me,"son,don't argue with idiots,they drag you down to their level,and beat you with experience".Adios,GO TEXANS!!

Congrats on setting the record for most strawmen created in one post. Your reading comprehension appears to be non-existent.

[catfish]

Congrats on setting the record for most strawmen created in one post. Your reading comprehension appears to be non-existent.

That's ok you can criticize my computer and english skills all you want.They are pretty bad.But,I can take the truth.

[LV_Bearfan]

I look forward to visiting your lovely town this Friday. Nice place. Nice folks. Playoff football. Should be a great evening to watch one of the few remaining pure versions of the game. No one is getting paid or plans to get paid to play this game. it's just pure competition. Man, I love high school football.

That is all.

[Mojo84]

Parents and "fans" can do more harm to a football program by not buying in to what the coach is doing and constantly criticizing the coaches and/or players than a bunch of slow mediocre athletes that are trying their hardest can ever do. The more public bickering and criticizing, the worse the program will get. If you think coming on a public forum and criticizing your players and coaching staff will have a positive impact on your program then you are a fool.

This is not directed at anyone in particular. Just a general statement that is true whether you want to believe it or not. However, if the shoe fits, feel free to put it on and wear it.

[Snotbubbles]

Totally agree. When there is a changing of the guard, it's hard for some to take and understand why. Pretty clear, why in this case.

[Tejastrue]

SB, you've been tooting your condescending horn since day one. That's all fine and good but it has gotten really, really old. Please give it a break. Panfan,, surely you can try to imagine the affects of losing a coach/coaches that have been very successful, well respected, and held in such high esteem for many years. I highly doubt it would be any different there a year removed. Mojo, I can't argue with what you have said. Very true. I don't agree with everything that has been said in this thread but at the same time don't expect everyone to share my opinions. I do get it that some of us need to vent. It's part of the transition stage we are experiencing at the moment. We'll get through it. Oh yeah, we have a game this week. Can we move to that thread and talk about the game?

[Mojo84]

Yeah, I heard something about you guys playing a game. May even come watch. Then again, you may not want me there. I didn't bring much luck and good fortune to our team this year.

[panfan]

SB, you've been tooting your condescending horn since day one. That's all fine and good but it has gotten really, really old. Please give it a break. Panfan,, surely you can try to imagine the affects of losing a coach/coaches that have been very successful, well respected, and held in such high esteem for many years. I highly doubt it would be any different there a year removed. Mojo, I can't argue with what you have said. Very true. I don't agree with everything that has been said in this thread but at the same time don't expect everyone to share my opinions. I do get it that some of us need to vent. It's part of the transition stage we are experiencing at the moment. We'll get through it. Oh yeah, we have a game this week. Can we move to that thread and talk about the game?

Tejas, that was my point, ya'll have a game, move on (as you suggest here at the end). When, not if, Vance retires, it will be a mixed bag of reaction. He is well respected, but some don't like his style of football and want change. Others are happy with it wouldn't consider change, while others would like to see something in between. Whatever the reaction here is in the Hill, I doubt we'll be cussin and discussin it a full season after the fact, but if we are, you come and remind us to get over it and move on, please. Good luck Texans.

[Tejastrue]

I guess it all depends on the success of the new HC. You know I'll be there if and when the time comes..lol

[catfish]

Parents and "fans" can do more harm to a football program by not buying in to what the coach is doing and constantly criticizing the coaches and/or players than a bunch of slow mediocre athletes that are trying their hardest can ever do. The more public bickering and criticizing, the worse the program will get. If you think coming on a public forum and criticizing your players and coaching staff will have a positive impact on your program then you are a fool.

This is not directed at anyone in particular. Just a general statement that is true whether you want to believe it or not. However, if the shoe fits, feel free to put it on and wear it.

Well said!

[catfish]

First of all,I would like to apologize to rb585.I know from reading his post he is a huge Texan fan,as most on this thread are....I have a difficult time with any individual, from any school ,who post negative things about coaches without first listening to the coach talk about the game.I just wonder how many who are frustrated about this year actually go Monday nights and watch the film,and then ask the coach questions about what happened.Possibly that may relieve some of the frustration about the season.....Now,lets get after those Bears!