Realignment Policies and Procedures

[Matthew328]

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/2014-2016/R&RPolicies_2014-2016.pdf

[LHPfactory]

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/2014-2016/R&RPolicies_2014-2016.pdf

Matt, Under number 3, when they wrote:

"There should be at least 200 schools each in Conferences AA and AAAAA".

Did they mean 200 in each conference from AA "THROUGH" AAAAA ?

[Matthew328]

No just 200 in those classes...there is no minimum for the other classes except for 6A

[Yoe_09]

Well, it really depends on how high that new 2A DI (current 1A DI) number goes. It has been reported that it could go as high as 244. They are probably wanting to get about 100 or so in each 2A DI & 2A DII.


Here is what Carl Padilla had projected before the announcement of the 200 minimum schools in the new 2A:

6A (245 teams) - 2135+
5A (230 teams) - 1180-2134
4A DI (103 teams) - 799-1179
4A DII (103 teams) - 460-798
3A DI (110 teams) - 298-459
3A DII (110 teams) - 200-297
2A DI (84 teams) - 151-199.........244
2A DII (84 teams) - 105-150


From the 2012 data, there were 51 schools in between 200-244. That means you would go from 168 schools to around 220. I would think it would be a little lower that that??? To get more schools in the new 2A, they are going to have to draw from the new 3A DII (old 2A). That means that around 50 schools could be taken away:

6A (245 teams) - 2135+
5A (230 teams) - 1180-2134
4A DI (103 teams) - 799-1179
4A DII (103 teams) - 460-798
3A DI (110 teams) - 298-459
3A DII (60 teams) - 244-297??
2A DI (110 teams) - ?-244
2A DII (110 teams) - 105-?

Now, if you add up 230+103+103+110+60 and divide that by 6 you get 103. Will there draw even more from the new 5A or will the new 3A or 4A just be under 100 teams in each division as maybe the UIL is saying could happen???

[OldBison75]

Conference A, AA,
AAA and AAAA Football
:
Conference A, AA, AAA and AAAA football schools will be divided into large schools (Division 1) and small schools (Division 2), through the state
championship event, with 16 districts in each division.



Does this really mean that there will only be 16 Division 1 Districts and 16 Division 2 districts? If so, that is gonna increase treavel and shorten the playoffs.

[Yoe_09]

Well, under the current format, there are 32 districts and now 4 teams make the playoffs. That is 128 teams. That will stay the same as 128 will still make the playoffs. There may be a bit more traveling for some schools, but in the end it is better because it creates a more even playing field during district play.

2A DI Playoff Bracket: http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/2AD1
3A DI Playoff Bracket: http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/3AD1

Essentially, everything will remain the same but you will not have to worry about who is going D1 & D2.

[YTBulldogs]

Well, under the current format, there are 32 districts and now 4 teams make the playoffs. That is 128 teams. That will stay the same as 128 will still make the playoffs. There may be a bit more traveling for some schools, but in the end it is better because it creates a more even playing field during district play.

:iagree:

[Matthew328]

:iagree:

Dont forget the 200 minimum includes basketball only schools

[YTBulldogs]

Dont forget the 200 minimum includes basketball only schools

:iagree:

[Yoe_09]

Dont forget the 200 minimum includes basketball only schools

Yes, but they were wanting to get 200 football teams in the new 2A, correct? That is how I understood it.

[Matthew328]

Yes, but they were wanting to get 200 football teams in the new 2A, correct? That is how I understood it.

I think they'll get to 200 when you add in the basketball only schools. It's been speculated that football wise the new 4A may need to get close to 200 to create viable districts w/the split...my guess is 2A football will probably still have about 185...

[SHSBulldog00]

Well, it really depends on how high that new 2A DI (current 1A DI) number goes. It has been reported that it could go as high as 244. They are probably wanting to get about 100 or so in each 2A DI & 2A DII.


Here is what Carl Padilla had projected before the announcement of the 200 minimum schools in the new 2A:

6A (245 teams) - 2135+
5A (230 teams) - 1180-2134
4A DI (103 teams) - 799-1179
4A DII (103 teams) - 460-798
3A DI (110 teams) - 298-459
3A DII (110 teams) - 200-297
2A DI (84 teams) - 151-199.........244
2A DII (84 teams) - 105-150


From the 2012 data, there were 51 schools in between 200-244. That means you would go from 168 schools to around 220. I would think it would be a little lower that that??? To get more schools in the new 2A, they are going to have to draw from the new 3A DII (old 2A). That means that around 50 schools could be taken away:

6A (245 teams) - 2135+
5A (230 teams) - 1180-2134
4A DI (103 teams) - 799-1179
4A DII (103 teams) - 460-798
3A DI (110 teams) - 298-459
3A DII (60 teams) - 244-297??
2A DI (110 teams) - ?-244
2A DII (110 teams) - 105-?

Now, if you add up 230+103+103+110+60 and divide that by 6 you get 103. Will there draw even more from the new 5A or will the new 3A or 4A just be under 100 teams in each division as maybe the UIL is saying could happen???

OK so the

4A Division I 730-1199
4A Division II 450-729

Carl had previously done is now outdated?

[LHPfactory]

4A DI with the 799-1179

Will likely produce a Hill Country District with:

LH
Lampasas
Burnet
Marble Falls
Fredericksburg

I think we are looking at 5 team districts right?

[Matthew328]

OK so the

4A Division I 730-1199
4A Division II 450-729

Carl had previously done is now outdated?

it will be outdated in 2 days once actual ADMs are received....

[BJ Walters]

4A DI with the 799-1179

Will likely produce a Hill Country District with:

LH
Lampasas
Burnet
Marble Falls
Fredericksburg

I think we are looking at 5 team districts right?

I wonder if the four playoff teams will lead to more 7-8 team districts and almost no 5 team districts

[LHPfactory]

I wonder if the four playoff teams will lead to more 7-8 team districts and almost no 5 team districts

With only 103 teams, 5 team districts would only produce 20 districts.

6 team districts would produce 16 Districts.

6 team districts would be easier on the play off brackets, everyone would BYE the first week, or the championsips would come a week before Christmas, which would be good.

[BJ Walters]

With only 103 teams, 5 team districts would only produce 20 districts.

6 team districts would produce 16 Districts.

6 team districts would be easier on the play off brackets, everyone would BYE the first week, or the championsips would come a week before Christmas, which would be good.

That does make sense with the current 2A and A formats

[toddg]

with 2012 #s and projected cutoffs...wylie and big springs will be doing some major traveling..Alvarado has to go west or north or a little of both..will be very interesting

i just dont want to be in a district with diamond hill or castleberry..or Dunbar for that matter..

[Matthew328]

with 2012 #s and projected cutoffs...wylie and big springs will be doing some major traveling..Alvarado has to go west or north or a little of both..will be very interesting

i just dont want to be in a district with diamond hill or castleberry..or Dunbar for that matter..


Dunbar would be tough to deal with in 3A right now...they are SALTY

[SHSBulldog00]

Estimates of possible 4A Division I teams

I have received these over the last two weeks.These #'s are not official but should be close to what they turn in on the 25th.

Keep an eye on

Canyon - 1,169
North Forney - 1,160
Lucas Lovejoy - 1,184
Sulphur Springs - 1,130
Lumberton - 1,121
Livingston - Just over 1,100
Houston Wheatley - 857 (May Opt Up)
Bay City - 969
Marble Falls - 1,157
Port Lavaca Calhoun - 1,168
CC Tuloso-Midway - 1,152

[LHPfactory]

UIL is going to release the cut offs in November, correct?

If so, When in November?

[slingshot]

"a bit more travel"... Tell that to the current 3A Div I teams out here. We could be looking at Big Spring (210 miles round trip) being our CLOSEST district game. Ridiculous.

[Matthew328]

UIL hasn't given a date for when they'll release cutoffs...

As for the travel...there's nothing that can be done about it at the 3A (4A) level...it is what it is...for football at least it'll be just once every two years...

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Any change on the time games start at for Friday games, with the possible travel distance coming up for next season would be good if game times were moved to 8 pm. Majority of fans don't get out of work til 5 pm

[LHPfactory]

Any change on the time games start at for Friday games, with the possible travel distance coming up for next season would be good if game times were moved to 8 pm. Majority of fans don't get out of work til 5 pm

I doubt that that will push a game that late. The distance games wont be every week for the same people, folks will just have to take a few hours vacation 2 or 3 friday evenings if some of the games are that far.

[SHSBulldog00]

Any change on the time games start at for Friday games, with the possible travel distance coming up for next season would be good if game times were moved to 8 pm. Majority of fans don't get out of work til 5 pm

Don't coaches determine game time if not mandated by the district?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Don't coaches determine game time if not mandated by the district?not sure but both times we have played Rio Hondo in Rio Hondo the game times were moved up 30 mins to 7pm. Not sure why that happen both times we played them over there it was moved up and the games they came to Sinton it was 7:30 start time.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

I doubt that that will push a game that late. The distance games wont be every week for the same people, folks will just have to take a few hours vacation 2 or 3 friday evenings if some of the games are that far.

I save those extra vacation hours for baseball tourneys in late February and March.

[LHPfactory]

I save those extra vacation hours for baseball tourneys in late February and March.

Why on earth would you choose to burn vacation for one of those lesser sports...? :)

[SHSBulldog00]

Why on earth would you choose to burn vacation for one of those lesser sports...? :)

He must be in charge of the grounds crew during standaround. The Standaround HC left him to be the led dirt waterer during tourney's. (Stole it from Pancho)

[SintonFan_inAustin]

He must be in charge of the grounds crew during standaround. The Standaround HC left him to be the led dirt waterer during tourney's. (Stole it from Pancho) :) now you're going to have pancho upset he didn't say it first lol.

[JBulldawg]

Multiple High School Districts with schools in more than one conference, one of which is a magnet

school. A multiple high school district with schools in more than one conference, one of which is a

magnet school, shall have the magnet school placed in the same conference as the high school in that

school district with the largest enrollment. A magnet school is defined as a high school within a

multiple high school district where all students participate in the magnet curriculum.




Exactly what does this mean? Does it mean the school district has the option to put the magnet school up in largest class or has to put magnet school in largest class of district's school?

[YTBulldogs]

I doubt that that will push a game that late. The distance games wont be every week for the same people, folks will just have to take a few hours vacation 2 or 3 friday evenings if some of the games are that far.

I hear more chatter of Sat games being conducted.

[Matthew328]

Districts determine start times for district games.....the individual schools can agree to change a game, move it etc if they so choose....in cases of long distance travel having a game on Saturday could be an option...

The question regarding magnet schools....if an ISD has a true magnet school then that school is required to play in the classiciation of the largest HS in the ISD.

So for example if FWISD had a true magnet school, regardless of enrollment they'd be required to play in 6A since Paschal, the largest HS in the ISD is 6A...

A true magnet in the sense of the UIL is a school where 100% of the students are in the magnet cirriculum...I'm not sure if there are any HSs in the state that play football which fall into this category

[SHSBulldog00]

Districts determine start times for district games.....the individual schools can agree to change a game, move it etc if they so choose....in cases of long distance travel having a game on Saturday could be an option...

The question regarding magnet schools....if an ISD has a true magnet school then that school is required to play in the classiciation of the largest HS in the ISD.

So for example if FWISD had a true magnet school, regardless of enrollment they'd be required to play in 6A since Paschal, the largest HS in the ISD is 6A...

A true magnet in the sense of the UIL is a school where 100% of the students are in the magnet cirriculum...I'm not sure if there are any HSs in the state that play football which fall into this category

Is there a site to look up magnet schools or do they try to keep it private?

[Matthew328]

Each ISD's individual policy and procedure would determine if a school is magnet or not..all they would need to do is report that to the UIL when they report their ADM

[SHSBulldog00]

What is going to happen to Triple AAU and Prime Prep during the next realignment?

Prime Prep will be an independent no longer in the UIL

Triple AAU?

[Matthew328]

Prime Prep has not expressed interest in re-applying for UIL membership. They are a member of some private school/home school organization

as far as I am aware Triple A will be aligned in Class 4A next year per the new UIL charter school rule

[SHSBulldog00]

I hope the UIL does something with the Houston KIPP school's. It's not fun having them in district. They would be better off playing private school's IMO. But I guess they would fall under the new UIL charter school rule like Triple A?

[YTBulldogs]

in cases of long distance travel having a game on Saturday could be an option...



If I was a coach of a 3A school, I'd play as many games as possible on a Saturday, instead of Friday. You'd be able to get better officials for your games. Most games are on Friday, thus--your TASO chapter crews are already selected to work them 4A-5A games and unavailable for your contest. If you played on a Saturday, many chapters will allow 3A schools to pick their officials (crews) and you certainly would have some experience crews to pick from if you played a Saturday game.

To me, being able to get quality game officials, is more important than getting a few hours head start on game planning for the following week's opponent. And, if you play a 2PM afternoon game, you really don't lose that much game planning, breaking down game video, player treatment time, etc. But, you certainly get your chapters best game officials doing your games.

I'd really love to see 2PM games. Like colleges do. You should draw more crowds, which means more $$$ for the school. Win, win if you play Saturday games.

[Matthew328]

I hope the UIL does something with the Houston KIPP school's. It's not fun having them in district. They would be better off playing private school's IMO. But I guess they would fall under the new UIL charter school rule like Triple A?

That is correct...both schools (one of the KIPPs doesn't even play UIL football) are in HISD if memory serves so they'd likely be in 4A (what is now 3A) anyway

[Matthew328]

You really couldn't play 2pm Sat games until at least early Oct...its too hot...I think most would avoid going to Saturday unless there was an extreme travel issue

[SHSBulldog00]

If I was a coach of a 3A school, I'd play as many games as possible on a Saturday, instead of Friday. You'd be able to get better officials for your games. Most games are on Friday, thus--your TASO chapter crews are already selected to work them 4A-5A games and unavailable for your contest. If you played on a Saturday, many chapters will allow 3A schools to pick their officials (crews) and you certainly would have some experience crews to pick from if you played a Saturday game.

To me, being able to get quality game officials, is more important than getting a few hours head start on game planning for the following week's opponent. And, if you play a 2PM afternoon game, you really don't lose that much game planning, breaking down game video, player treatment time, etc. But, you certainly get your chapters best game officials doing your games.

I'd really love to see 2PM games. Like colleges do. You should draw more crowds, which means more $$$ for the school. Win, win if you play Saturday games.

I know from talking with some Sweeny coaches we are in favor of Saturday playoff games.....not sure about during the season?

[Matthew328]

I'm not sure a lot of 3A's will play playoff games on Saturday being that title games are on Friday...most will try their best to stay with a full week schedule

[LHPfactory]

No way on regular season saturday, just not the same,
I bet attendence would go down for saturday games, especially with all the youth sports these days, parents have to take their pre Jr High kids to play everthing from football, Vball, Fall bball and sball....

I also like friday night playoff games better.... more energy under the lights.

FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, NO SUBSTITUTE!

[YTBulldogs]

I think most would avoid going to Saturday unless there was an extreme travel issue

I'm hearing more and more coaches, as I visit many schools throughout the past few seasons, really thinking of playing on Sat. And travel was not even the reason they gave. They see the $$$ they can make for the program, and certainly are seeing the official issue, as a reason to go to Saturday games. Just more chatter recently, than before is all I'm saying.

[Matthew328]

Coaches may want to do it..but there's other administrative factors at play that would likely prevent it under most circumstances...

[SHSBulldog00]

Houston ISD

If Worthing, Scarborough, Jones and Kashmere are 4A DII schools would they be with KIPP Sunnyside and La Marque to make the six team district or would they go in with Coldspring and those schools?

[hollywood]

No way on regular season saturday, just not the same,
I bet attendence would go down for saturday games, especially with all the youth sports these days, parents have to take their pre Jr High kids to play everthing from football, Vball, Fall bball and sball....

I also like friday night playoff games better.... more energy under the lights.

FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, NO SUBSTITUTE!

Hey.. don't forget soccer LHPfactory! :)

[Matthew328]

Houston ISD

If Worthing, Scarborough, Jones and Kashmere are 4A DII schools would they be with KIPP Sunnyside and La Marque to make the six team district or would they go in with Coldspring and those schools?

It all depends on who they elect to opt up and who they don't....you never know w/inner city ISDs

[Matthew328]

FWIW Carl has sent out a new update to his projections...one nugget is there are 33 current 1A Div. II schools who could opt to play six man...wow

[SHSBulldog00]

Will the UIL release the cutoff #'s by email or press conference? If the later will it be televised?

[LHPfactory]

FWIW Carl has sent out a new update to his projections...one nugget is there are 33 current 1A Div. II schools who could opt to play six man...wow

Lets see the update

[Matthew328]

I dont post that info because Carl works hard to get that info out to his subscribers...I'm not going to sabotage his business like that...

[Matthew328]

Will the UIL release the cutoff #'s by email or press conference? If the later will it be televised?

No one really knows...

[SHSBulldog00]

In reference to the :40 play clock next year; as a Slot T team I like that we can increase our t.o.p. if warranted.

You do not have have to re install if you currently have a :25 play clock. Teams are not required to use the clock in their football games.

The 40-second clock starts immediately at the end of the last play, as opposed to the 25-second play clock – which requires officials to mark the ball before time is started.

[GrTigers6]

In reference to the :40 play clock next year; as a Slot T team I like that we can increase our t.o.p. if warranted.

You do not have have to re install if you currently have a :25 play clock. Teams are not required to use the clock in their football games.

The 40-second clock starts immediately at the end of the last play, as opposed to the 25-second play clock – which requires officials to mark the ball before time is started.You still have to wait until the umpire sets the ball before you can snap it. The 40 second clock starts as soon as the official raises his hand to blow the play dead. so by the time you get the pile undone and get the ball to the umpire and he gets it set it could be 25 seconds left or even less if its a long run.