AP Poll- Week Four

[Roughneck93]

CLASS 3A


School
Total Points
Prv


1. Carthage (9)
(4-0) 207
1


2. Gilmer (5)
(4-0) 201
2


(tie) Navasota (6)
(4-0) 201
3


4. Argyle (3)
(4-0) 176
4


5. Kilgore
(3-0) 149
5


6. Graham (1)
(4-0) 111
6


7. Stephenville
(3-1) 93
7


8. Celina
(4-0) 58
8


9. Port Isabel
(4-0) 48
9


10. El Campo
(3-0) 32
10



Others receiving votes: 11, Shallowater 12. 12, Fairfield 8. (tie) Gainesville 8. 14, Bellville 4. 15, Coldspring 3. (tie) West Orange-Stark 3. (tie) La Grange 3. 18, Sweetwater 2. 19, Robinson 1.

http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/09/football-navasota-moves-into-tie-for-2nd-in-ap-state-rankings/

[HEMOTOXIC]

CLASS 3A


School
Total Points
Prv


1. Carthage (9)
(4-0) 207
1


2. Gilmer (5)
(4-0) 201
2


(tie) Navasota (6)
(4-0) 201
3


4. Argyle (3)
(4-0) 176
4


5. Kilgore
(3-0) 149
5


6. Graham (1)
(4-0) 111
6


7. Stephenville
(3-1) 93
7


8. Celina
(4-0) 58
8


9. Port Isabel
(4-0) 48
9


10. El Campo
(3-0) 32
10



Others receiving votes: 11, Shallowater 12. 12, Fairfield 8. (tie) Gainesville 8. 14, Bellville 4. 15, Coldspring 3. (tie) West Orange-Stark 3. (tie) La Grange 3. 18, Sweetwater 2. 19, Robinson 1.

http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/09/football-navasota-moves-into-tie-for-2nd-in-ap-state-rankings/

A lot of former 4A's...
Carthage
Navasota
Kilgore
El Campo
Stephenville
WOS
Sweetwater

Anyone eles?

[Bosqueville]

Sweetwater?????

[bobcat1]

Celina @ 8?

[Sweetwater Red]

CLASS 3A


School
Total Points
Prv


1. Carthage (9)
(4-0) 207
1


2. Gilmer (5)
(4-0) 201
2


(tie) Navasota (6)
(4-0) 201
3


4. Argyle (3)
(4-0) 176
4


5. Kilgore
(3-0) 149
5


6. Graham (1)
(4-0) 111
6


7. Stephenville
(3-1) 93
7


8. Celina
(4-0) 58
8


9. Port Isabel
(4-0) 48
9


10. El Campo
(3-0) 32
10



Others receiving votes: 11, Shallowater 12. 12, Fairfield 8. (tie) Gainesville 8. 14, Bellville 4. 15, Coldspring 3. (tie) West Orange-Stark 3. (tie) La Grange 3. 18, Sweetwater 2. 19, Robinson 1.

http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/09/football-navasota-moves-into-tie-for-2nd-in-ap-state-rankings/


Oh great! First Carl Padilla and Jerry Forrest pick us to beat Brownwood and now we're being mentioned in the AP poll.
So much for flying under the radar before district play starts. :rolleyes:

[Matthew328]

Oh great! First Carl Padilla and Jerry Forrest pick us to beat Brownwood and now we're being mentioned in the AP poll.
So much for flying under the radar before district play starts. :rolleyes:

The AP Poll is a weekly embarrassment to members of the media who actually pay attention to Texas High School Football

[Txbroadcaster]

A lot of former 4A's...
Carthage
Navasota
Kilgore
El Campo
Stephenville
WOS
Sweetwater

Anyone eles?


some of those 4A teams have been in 3A a long time now

[HEMOTOXIC]

some of those 4A teams have been in 3A a long time now

You're right...

[Ville-D]

The AP Poll is a weekly embarrassment to members of the media who actually pay attention to Texas High School Football

Do you have a list of the voters?

[Sweetwater Red]

Do you have a list of the voters?

I would really like to see this. I'm guessing the two votes for Sweetwater came from San Antonio and Houston. :doh:

[coachc45]

I'm just glad they didn't have any present 4A or 2A teams getting votes. LOL

[Sweetwater Red]

The AP Poll is a weekly embarrassment to members of the media who actually pay attention to Texas High School Football

Uh yeah, i think we'll hold off on ordering those 3000 GO MUSTANGS! BEAT CARTHAGE! signs. lol

[ccmom]

Uh yeah, i think we'll hold off on ordering those 3000 GO MUSTANGS! BEAT CARTHAGE! signs. lol

:fnypost::clap:

[Matthew328]

I'm just glad they didn't have any present 4A or 2A teams getting votes. LOL

That was last week..wel it was a 5A team getting 4A votes

[Matthew328]

Do you have a list of the voters?

I do not...

[poisoned10]

Gilmer was once 4A for maybe 2 years.

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[waterboy]

Gilmer was 4A in 1996 and 1997. They skewed the numbers in the 1996 realignment badly. Except for those two years, Gilmer has been 3A since the 1980 realignment. When they changed Class B to Class A, Class A to AA, AAA to AAAA, etc. Gilmer remained in 3A instead of moving up to 4A. Interestingly enough, Carthage was in Gilmer's district those two years. Gilmer shut them out both seasons.:evilgrin:

[cougartino]

A lot of former 4A's...
Carthage
Navasota
Kilgore
El Campo
Stephenville
WOS
Sweetwater

Anyone eles?

La Marque (5A & 4A)

[Manso/V8]

The AP Poll is a weekly embarrassment to members of the media who actually pay attention to Texas High School Football

I guess I don't know enough about all the teams to catch what is so off about the poll.
I take it Sweetwater may not deserve a mention, are there others?

Which poll do you think reflects actual rankings better?

[Bull Butter]

It's only Tuesday night, but I'm surprised this hasn't deteriorated into the weekly "bash Port Isabel and South Texas" thread

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

it's only tuesday night, but i'm surprised this hasn't deteriorated into the weekly "bash port isabel and south texas" thread

lmao!!!

[Matthew328]

I guess I don't know enough about all the teams to catch what is so off about the poll.
I take it Sweetwater may not deserve a mention, are there others?

Which poll do you think reflects actual rankings better?

There's not a poll that is the best IMO, but Sweetwater does not deserve votes...they are 2-2 with losses to 2A teams.....last week a 5A school got votes in the 4A poll....just a couple of examples of AP writers who have a vote and simply don't pay attention

[Sweetwater Red]

Sweetwater does not deserve votes...they are 2-2 with losses to 2A teams.....

Polls are subjective and I'm not going to debate whether or not Sweetwater belongs in this poll. But I do have an issue with the above statement.

I posted this in the SW/BW thread and I'm going to post it here also.

Hey guys, for what it's worth here is a look at the two 2A schools (Wall and Eastland) that Sweetwater has lost to in it's first four games.

Here is pigskinpreps 2A Division I top ten based on their power ratings system.

1 2A - 3 Wall (4-0) 160.60
2 2A - 11 Franklin (4-0) 160.57
3 2A - 13 Cameron Yoe (3-0) 160.42
4 2A - 9 Tatum (3-0) 160.10
5 2A - 10 Newton (3-0) 159.16
6 2A - 14 Hallettsville (4-0) 157.32
7 2A - 8 New Boston (4-0) 156.37
8 2A - 13 Lago Vista (2-1) 152.60
9 2A - 4 Eastland (4-0) 151.05
10 2A - 7 Malakoff (4-0) 147.57

Currently they project Wall to finish 16-0 by beating Eastland (13-1) in the quarter-finals and then winning the 2A D II state championship by beating Franklin. Point being these two schools ain't no slouches as some on here seem to think they might be, 2A or not.

[Matthew328]

Polls are subjective and I'm not going to debate whether or not Sweetwater belongs in this poll. But I do have an issue with the above statement.

I posted this in the SW/BW thread and I'm going to post it here also.

Hey guys, for what it's worth here is a look at the two 2A schools (Wall and Eastland) that Sweetwater has lost to in it's first four games.

Here is pigskinpreps 2A Division I top ten based on their power ratings system.

1 2A - 3 Wall (4-0) 160.60
2 2A - 11 Franklin (4-0) 160.57
3 2A - 13 Cameron Yoe (3-0) 160.42
4 2A - 9 Tatum (3-0) 160.10
5 2A - 10 Newton (3-0) 159.16
6 2A - 14 Hallettsville (4-0) 157.32
7 2A - 8 New Boston (4-0) 156.37
8 2A - 13 Lago Vista (2-1) 152.60
9 2A - 4 Eastland (4-0) 151.05
10 2A - 7 Malakoff (4-0) 147.57

Currently they project Wall to finish 16-0 by beating Eastland (13-1) in the quarter-finals and then winning the 2A D II state championship by beating Franklin. Point being these two schools ain't no slouches as some on here seem to think they might be, 2A or not.



They aren't slouches by any means, but there's no way a 3A team with 2 losses, both to 2A opponents should merit top 10 consideration.

[D'Highlander]

They aren't slouches by any means, but there's no way a 3A team with 2 losses, both to 2A opponents should merit top 10 consideration.

for the sake of arguing, Aledo didn't drop out of the top 10 after taking a beating from Stephenville last year if I remember right... :thinking:

[regaleagle]

There's not a poll that is the best IMO, but Sweetwater does not deserve votes...they are 2-2 with losses to 2A teams.....last week a 5A school got votes in the 4A poll....just a couple of examples of AP writers who have a vote and simply don't pay attention

Is it possible some of the voters got Sweetwater and Shallowater confused??? That's what I think happened here.

[hollywood]

Is it possible some of the voters got Sweetwater and Shallowater confused??? That's what I think happened here.

Noooo regal... One of the writers son-in-law's sister's boyfriend's mother's 2nd husband is from Sweetwater and was talking about how their only losses are to ranked 2A D1 schools. You haven't heard that's how they roll out there? A combined 20 tooth community!

[Ville-D]

Noooo regal... One of the writers son-in-law's sister's boyfriend's mother's 2nd husband is from Sweetwater and was talking about how their only losses are to ranked 2A D1 schools. You haven't heard that's how they roll out there? A combined 20 tooth community!

:1popcorn::1popcorn::1popcorn::1popcorn::1popcorn:

[Matthew328]

for the sake of arguing, Aledo didn't drop out of the top 10 after taking a beating from Stephenville last year if I remember right... :thinking:


You are correct...but thats one loss not two

[Matthew328]

Is it possible some of the voters got Sweetwater and Shallowater confused??? That's what I think happened here.

It's quite possible but in the end....that just shows you how seriously some take their vote

[refereedoc]

Noooo regal... One of the writers son-in-law's sister's boyfriend's mother's 2nd husband is from Sweetwater and was talking about how their only losses are to ranked 2A D1 schools. You haven't heard that's how they roll out there? A combined 20 tooth community!

That right there is funny. At least they can type and we can understand them unlike Florida.:vrycnfsd:

[Sweetwater Red]

Good points SR... Friday's game will be a better indicator for both. Not knocking 2A but it is 2A. ;) It would be different IMO if Sweetwater was a small 3A... but they are not. A former 4A for crying out loud! lol

So, you post this in response to my post on the SW/BW thread...



Noooo regal... One of the writers son-in-law's sister's boyfriend's mother's 2nd husband is from Sweetwater and was talking about how their only losses are to ranked 2A D1 schools. You haven't heard that's how they roll out there? A combined 20 tooth community!

...and then this on this thread? Nice job Rocket, now hand the keyboard back to Hollywood. lol

[hollywood]

So, you post this in response to my post on the SW/BW thread...




...and then this on this thread? Nice job Rocket, now hand the keyboard back to Hollywood. lol

LOL.. just having some fun brotha. ;) If I didn't have soccer on Saturday, ultimate plan would be to catch the SW/BW game Friday night.. stay over and catch the SV/Rillo game in Snyder on Sat.

[Sweetwater Red]

LOL.. just having some fun brotha. ;) If I didn't have soccer on Saturday, ultimate plan would be to catch the SW/BW game Friday night.. stay over and catch the SV/Rillo game in Snyder on Sat.

Serious business, there is currently a push to make soccer more popular in Sweetwater. Who knows, we may be competing agaiinst Wylie and Stephenville
in a few years lol. Yeah, I'll be over there in Snyder again this year too. Last year's games was pretty entertaining for three quarters.

[Sweetwater Red]

They aren't slouches by any means, but there's no way a 3A team with 2 losses, both to 2A opponents should merit top 10 consideration.

We're not being considered for the top ten. We are being considered for the top 18. :D

Btw, I understand a mutual acquaintance of ours is a huge fan of the Muleshoe Mules? :thinking:

You might tell him pigskin prep has them rated #38 in the state, if he doesn't read it here first. lol

[Aesculus gilmus]

Gilmer was 4A in 1996 and 1997. They skewed the numbers in the 1996 realignment badly. Except for those two years, Gilmer has been 3A since the 1980 realignment. When they changed Class B to Class A, Class A to AA, AAA to AAAA, etc. Gilmer remained in 3A instead of moving up to 4A. Interestingly enough, Carthage was in Gilmer's district those two years. Gilmer shut them out both seasons.:evilgrin:

Right. Gilmer was in 3A from 1968 to 1979 when 3A was what is now 4A and there was only one class higher than 3A. Those were lean years. The frustration of being one of the smallest schools became a negative reinforcement loop and participation levels in the program crashed. My team in 1976 had about 19 players left as the season wound down. It's the only reason I got to play so much in those last few games. It certainly wasn't my superior talent. Coach Green was scraping the bottom of the barrel. Anyone with any sense had already quit.

[hollywood]

Serious business, there is currently a push to make SOCCER more popular in Sweetwater. Who knows, we may be competing agaiinst Wylie and Stephenville in a few years lol.

:clap:

[hollywood]

Serious business, there is currently a push to make soccer more popular in Sweetwater. Who knows, we may be competing agaiinst Wylie and Stephenville in a few years lol.

By the way, in the league in Arlington where my U12 girls team plays, some teams are from way out west and east Texas... Midland/Odessa, Lubbuck, San Angelo, Abilene, Tyler, Longview. I've seen teams as far as Amarillo play in this league! :eek: Now that's taking soccer serious. I thought we had it rough at 170 miles round trip. lol

[gatordaze]

So if the season ended today. Who is a lock for big school?

1. Carthage - Could go either way. Lufkin Hudson making the playoffs would drive Carthage to small
2. Gilmer - Looks like a small school lock unless 2 of Chapel Hill, Hendeerson, and Kilgore miss the playoffs
(tie) Navasota - Pretty solid big school unless College Station HS and Taylor both make it
4. Argyle - Could go either way dependent on Aubrey. If Aubrey is in Argyle goes big
5. Kilgore - Lock for big
6. Graham - Goes small unless Iowa Park or Vernon steps up
7. Stephenville - Lock for big
8. Celina - Lock for small
9. Port Isabel - Either way
10. El Campo - Lock for big

[Deuce]

So if the season ended today. Who is a lock for big school?

1. Carthage - Could go either way. Lufkin Hudson making the playoffs would drive Carthage to small
2. Gilmer - Looks like a small school lock unless 2 of Chapel Hill, Hendeerson, and Kilgore miss the playoffs
(tie) Navasota - Pretty solid big school unless College Station HS and Taylor both make it
4. Argyle - Could go either way dependent on Aubrey. If Aubrey is in Argyle goes big
5. Kilgore - Lock for big
6. Graham - Goes small unless Iowa Park or Vernon steps up
7. Stephenville - Lock for big
8. Celina - Lock for small
9. Port Isabel - Either way
10. El Campo - Lock for big


For Graham, I would bet pretty heavy that Vernon will get in. It will just be a matter of if Iowa Park can keep Hirschi or Burk out.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

So if the season ended today. Who is a lock for big school?

1. Carthage - Could go either way. Lufkin Hudson making the playoffs would drive Carthage to small
2. Gilmer - Looks like a small school lock unless 2 of Chapel Hill, Hendeerson, and Kilgore miss the playoffs
(tie) Navasota - Pretty solid big school unless College Station HS and Taylor both make it
4. Argyle - Could go either way dependent on Aubrey. If Aubrey is in Argyle goes big
5. Kilgore - Lock for big
6. Graham - Goes small unless Iowa Park or Vernon steps up
7. Stephenville - Lock for big
8. Celina - Lock for small
9. Port Isabel - Either way
10. El Campo - Lock for big

Port Isabel is a lock for small.

[Txbroadcaster]

So if the season ended today. Who is a lock for big school?

1. Carthage - Could go either way. Lufkin Hudson making the playoffs would drive Carthage to small
2. Gilmer - Looks like a small school lock unless 2 of Chapel Hill, Hendeerson, and Kilgore miss the playoffs
(tie) Navasota - Pretty solid big school unless College Station HS and Taylor both make it
4. Argyle - Could go either way dependent on Aubrey. If Aubrey is in Argyle goes big
5. Kilgore - Lock for big
6. Graham - Goes small unless Iowa Park or Vernon steps up
7. Stephenville - Lock for big
8. Celina - Lock for small
9. Port Isabel - Either way
10. El Campo - Lock for big

Lufkin Hudson does not play football so I will go ahead and say they will not make the play offs

[Ville-D]

So if the season ended today. Who is a lock for big school?

1. Carthage - Could go either way. Lufkin Hudson making the playoffs would drive Carthage to small
2. Gilmer - Looks like a small school lock unless 2 of Chapel Hill, Hendeerson, and Kilgore miss the playoffs
(tie) Navasota - Pretty solid big school unless College Station HS and Taylor both make it
4. Argyle - Could go either way dependent on Aubrey. If Aubrey is in Argyle goes big
5. Kilgore - Lock for big
6. Graham - Goes small unless Iowa Park or Vernon steps up
7. Stephenville - Lock for big
8. Celina - Lock for small
9. Port Isabel - Either way
10. El Campo - Lock for big

Navasota is big - College Station HS is not playing varsity football this year.

[Aggie98]

Lufkin Hudson does not play football so I will go ahead and say they will not make the play offs

Lmao. I asked a buddy of mine who lives down there why Hudson doesn't play football. He said Lufkin High plucks all the good players out of there.

[Txbroadcaster]

Lmao. I asked a buddy of mine who lives down there why Hudson doesn't play football. He said Lufkin High plucks all the good players out of there.

It is a baseball school

[Manso/V8]

It's only Tuesday night, but I'm surprised this hasn't deteriorated into the weekly "bash Port Isabel and South Texas" thread

South Texas craves attention, even negative attention.
We can wind it up if you like.

[hollywood]

South Texas craves attention, even negative attention.
We can wind it up if you like.

LOL... Now that's funny! I don't care who you are.