Concussions vs Knee Injuries

[maestro]

Is being discussed on the Herd ESPN

Yes, both bad but the new NFL rules will change aiming points from helmet to helmet to helmet to knee.

My thoughts and questions are:

Why do referees, who routinely ask coaches in pregame if their players are legally padded up, continuously overlook the fact that most skill position players have unprotected knees, ie not wearing the proper knee pads or pants length.

[Rabid Cougar]

Is being discussed on the Herd ESPN

Yes, both bad but the new NFL rules will change aiming points from helmet to helmet to helmet to knee.

My thoughts and questions are:

Why do referees, who routinely ask coaches in pregame if their players are legally padded up, continuously overlook the fact that most skill position players have unprotected knees, ie not wearing the proper knee pads or pants length.

The have actually preached striking with the shoulder to the chest area. Leading with the head to any part of the body is bad news. There is a concerted emphasis on not blocking below the waist too.

Its not just "skill positions" (I hate that phrase).Olinemen are bad about not wearing thigh pads too.

[Manso/V8]

I don't think knee pads or thigh pads help prevent serious knee injuries.

Knee braces can help avoid/reduced the severity of MCL injuries, that why you see so many lineman wear them.

I doubt if an padding or knee brace would have kept Dustin Keller from getting injured.
A knee brace may have lessened the injury.

[maestro]

So which of these are we to believe referees will emphasize at the high school level, helmet to helmet or helmet below the waist ie kneecaps?

I believe one of the largest running backs discussed so far is the kid attending el campo.

How would you legally bring him down?

As an example.

[maestro]

I'm in a situation this year where I find myself watching lots of hs volleyball.

I can tell by the reactions of the more experienced parents that being in the net, illegal sets and such , just leaves parents wondering what's called and what is not called.

Can you imagine, for example, a kid from Bellville makes a game shifting tackle on the kid from El Campo and right between the cheers comes two or three flags for illegal contact??

Just saying.....

[Roughneck93]

I thought this hit was clean.

NFL said it was 'spectacular', then issued a fine to Jon Bostic anyway.

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/bostic-hit-3.gif?w=640

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23249934/nfl-calls-hit-by-bears-jon-bostic-spectacular-fines-him-21k-anyway

[BEAST]

I thought this hit was clean.

NFL said it was 'spectacular', then issued a fine to Jon Bostic anyway.

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/bostic-hit-3.gif?w=640

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23249934/nfl-calls-hit-by-bears-jon-bostic-spectacular-fines-him-21k-anyway

If that isnt a good clean hard tackle, I dont know what the heck is.




BEAST

[GrTigers6]

So which of these are we to believe referees will emphasize at the high school level, helmet to helmet or helmet below the waist ie kneecaps?

I believe one of the largest running backs discussed so far is the kid attending el campo.

How would you legally bring him down?

As an example.

There is no rule in High School about Helmet to the knees, or Helmet to helmet for that matter.
There is a rule and has been for a few years about Targeting to the head and neck area or using the crown of the helmet to target and initiate contact.
And this year they simplified the blocking below the waist to make it easier to understand and enforce.
And there is a uil rule stating pads have to cover the knees to participate

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

I thought this hit was clean.

NFL said it was 'spectacular', then issued a fine to Jon Bostic anyway.

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/bostic-hit-3.gif?w=640

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23249934/nfl-calls-hit-by-bears-jon-bostic-spectacular-fines-him-21k-anyway

I'm sorry, that's a textbook CLEAN shot! *** is the NFL thinking? They fined Brandon Harris too for his hit. It's going to get to the point Linebackers and Secondary are going to be too scared to hit someone. Not for fear of injury, but for fear of losing their damn paycheck!

[Roughneck93]

Sarcastaball.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxzNe9IEC4

:D

[Old Tiger]

Is being discussed on the Herd ESPN

Yes, both bad but the new NFL rules will change aiming points from helmet to helmet to helmet to knee.

My thoughts and questions are:

Why do referees, who routinely ask coaches in pregame if their players are legally padded up, continuously overlook the fact that most skill position players have unprotected knees, ie not wearing the proper knee pads or pants length.

knee pads aren't for offensive players protection, it is for defensive players protection.

[Old Tiger]

I thought this hit was clean.

NFL said it was 'spectacular', then issued a fine to Jon Bostic anyway.

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/bostic-hit-3.gif?w=640

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23249934/nfl-calls-hit-by-bears-jon-bostic-spectacular-fines-him-21k-anyway
shoulder to shoulder contact...NFL and football will be dead or not as popular in 10-15 years.

We all have former NFL players to thank for the decline of the game due to the law suit.

[GreenMonster]

if you really want to fix the injury issue of football go back to the leather helmet with no facemask or do away with tackling all together and just make it 7 on 7. More wussification of America! Here's a novel idea make 'em all sign wavers and teach DB's to head hunt like Jack Tatum. Run the football. Nowhere near as many injuries in the 3 yards and a cloud of dust version of football. We all know speed kills so slow the game down.

[Gone Fishing]

Leather helmets and no face mask would save the game, no doubt.,back to fundamental tackling using your shoulders and arms and leverage.

[Old Tiger]

Leather helmets and no face mask would save the game, no doubt.,back to fundamental tackling using your shoulders and arms and leverage.

This is the dumbest idea ever posted.

[Roughneck93]

Eliminate Kevlar. I wonder if it's still being used?

James Harrison's hit on Colt McCoy was with a Kevlar padded helmet...

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/915731/DIRTY-HIT-HARRISON.gif

http://deadspin.com/the-helmet-con-how-to-make-a-buck-off-the-concussion-c-1173019556

[Gone Fishing]

This is the dumbest idea ever posted.

Its ok Tiger, go back and read some of your post, it might be a tie.

[Old Tiger]

Its ok Tiger, go back and read some of your post, it might be a tie.

Nobody ever wants to talk about the deaths that occurred on the field due to leather helmets.

[Gone Fishing]

Nobody ever wants to talk about the deaths that occurred on the field due to leather helmets.

Well I guess the point is , if you have leather helmets , maybe you wouldnt use your head... Just a thought ... Rugby anyone...

[Old Tiger]

Well I guess the point is , if you have leather helmets , maybe you wouldnt use your head... Just a thought ... Rugby anyone...

Rugby doesn't use should pads. They mainly arm tackle although there are some big hits with the shoulders.

[Roughneck93]

Tony Gonzalez - hit me in the head, not my knees...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/21/tony-gonzalez-hit-me-in-the-head-not-my-knees/

[Rabid Cougar]

There is no rule in High School about Helmet to the knees, or Helmet to helmet for that matter.
There is a rule and has been for a few years about Targeting to the head and neck area or using the crown of the helmet to target and initiate contact.
And this year they simplified the blocking below the waist to make it easier to understand and enforce.
And there is a uil rule stating pads have to cover the knees to participate

This year there are very bad penalties for Targeting and leading with the crown of the helmet. There is still the 15 yard enforcement but now there is the player ejection, NCAA and UIL. In NCAA , if the ejection comes in the 2nd half, it extends to the first half of the next game. In UIL, it does not extend to the next game.

There are also the blind side shots on Unprotected players. This will be for any kicker who is not actively trying to tackle the runner and even a QB on an INT that is just "meandering" down the field with no intent on making a play. If you light them up, you are done for the night. Any blind side shot to the head or neck area regardless of player position or use of helmet or shoulder, you're done.

Coaches at all levels have been thoroughly warned.

The video of Harrison's hit on McCoy, if it was in the NCAA or UIL, he'd be done for the night. No question. The Bear vs Charger hit? Leading with the crown of the helmet. If you duck your head, that is the big give-a-way.

There is no rule against tackling below the waist, just blocking, and there are perameters on that.

[caleb_mccaig]

This is just showing what anyone will do for a dollar. All these ex-NFL players are suing the NFL because they didn't know how to save money when they were in the league. There's a reason you get paid more than the average person, it's because you take a risk. If you don't want the millions of dollars then go work at Enterprise.
Personally, I never hurt a knee when I played, I probably had 7-8 concussions from middle school up. I'm fine at this point and I wouldn't take back continuing to play with some of them because those are some of the best times of my life. I know some people will say that's stupid for me to have done that, but my playing time had an expiration date. You get Dustin Keller'ed then your career could probably be over, you get a concussion the chances are you're back in a week.

[Rabid Cougar]

This is just showing what anyone will do for a dollar. All these ex-NFL players are suing the NFL because they didn't know how to save money when they were in the league. There's a reason you get paid more than the average person, it's because you take a risk. If you don't want the millions of dollars then go work at Enterprise.
Personally, I never hurt a knee when I played, I probably had 7-8 concussions from middle school up. I'm fine at this point and I wouldn't take back continuing to play with some of them because those are some of the best times of my life. I know some people will say that's stupid for me to have done that, but my playing time had an expiration date. You get Dustin Keller'ed then your career could probably be over, you get a concussion the chances are you're back in a week.

All very true Cal. Wait until you are your dad's and my age until you pass judgement on the impacts of the concussions though.