Cowboys @ Redskins: Round 2

[Roughneck93]

Winner-take-all for the NFC East title.

Loser stays home.

Cowboys by 3...http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/praying/smileys-praying-554778.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[83Indian]

I have a bad feeling skins win handily. I hope Romo plays lights out.

[defense51]

If the Cowboys get the run game going, then it's close. Without it they miss the playoffs again!

[83Indian]

Nice defensive start

[Roughneck93]

Great start!

[defense51]

That was a de-cleater by #51 !!!

[Roughneck93]

:ack!:

[Farmersfan]

Seems like anybody with any history of this guy could have guessed that crap! Way to go Romo!

[defense51]

What a waste of good field position! :thmbdwn:

[Diocletian]

Time to see if Romo wants any piece of Seattle again... this game may very well be the stepping stone of his attempt at redemption.

I hope we get this one... then the next game will be great with either a win or loss. Win - move on. Loss - Romo is done.

[Roughneck93]

Yessss!

[83Indian]

Lots of nerves early. Lets go now

[Farmersfan]

All I can do is shake my head. Now Romo is taking a dive for a 5 yard loss instead of just throwing the ball away...........

[defense51]

Wth???

[Roughneck93]

Wow, are you kidding me...:dispntd:

[Macarthur]

***?

[Farmersfan]

:flaming::flaming:

[83Indian]

Skins not looking too good either. Time for playmakers to get open and make plays. RG3 looking wounded. Don't be surprised if we see cousins tonight

[83Indian]

No excuses for romo but I have not seen an open receiver yet

[defense51]

RGIII looks a little off so far.

[Macarthur]

I think ogeltree and witten both were open on the first pick. Just not on same page. The 2nd I didnt see anyone open but hes got to eat that. Wasnt there.

[Macarthur]

Defense playing well.

[83Indian]

A TD and fg might win this game

[Roughneck93]

Lol, should have been delay of game.

I'll take it!

[83Indian]

They got away with that one. Romo is the worse about running the play clock to zero. I'll take the TD though. Starting to feel better about this one.

[Macarthur]

Caught a break there.

[Farmersfan]

They really need to get more pressure on RGIII when he sets up in the pocket..... Maybe too concerned with him running.

[83Indian]

Well that was like a knife thru warm butter.

[Roughneck93]

Well that was like a knife thru warm butter.


Yeah that was too easy.

[Macarthur]

Bad series for defense. Gotta get some hits in rg3. Ware is ineffective.

[defense51]

Gotta stop the run or it's gonna be a long night

[Farmersfan]

Best running offense in the NFL against a beat up patch work defense! It had to happen sooner or later. The Cowboys MUST get it done on the offensive side. A long drive for another TD right now would go far at setting the tone...... A 3 and out and the route is on!!!!

[83Indian]

I actually think we're better with Austin out

[Macarthur]

I like the way they are using hanna in the slot.

[83Indian]

Fg would be good here

[Farmersfan]

I don't understand that route. Why is Witten running a 1 yard out when they are racing the clock? And why was the clock not stopped on that play after Witten went out of bounds for a 1 yard gain?

[Macarthur]

Crap

[83Indian]

Red j went conservative there. Dallas squandered that first possession and I hope it doesn't bite them later

[defense51]

The blitz on third down is killing the Cowboys!

[Macarthur]

Got to make them pay for blitzing on every passing down.

[Macarthur]

Receivers aren't winning any battles.

[83Indian]

Cows better be careful. Skins about to pop one over the top

[83Indian]

Run sets up the pass. Cows in trouble now

[Macarthur]

Defense can only hold up so long. Severely undermanned. JG better get his head out of his ass. He is getting severely outcoached by the DC.

[83Indian]

How can they not get the ball to dez?

[Macarthur]

Hard to tell from tv but teams have been giving a ton of safety help on dez.

[Roughneck93]

Damn...

[83Indian]

Well, where is the offense? Gonna have to throw down the field now.

[defense51]

That's not good!

[83Indian]

Red j not trying the fg at half could be a factor now

[99IHSMustang]

I have really enjoyed what RG3 and Morris have done this year to help out Washington. RG3 and morris have been fun to watch this season.

[Macarthur]

Completely outcoached. JG has gotten embarrassed.

[83Indian]

Does Dallas even have a screen pass?

[defense51]

Now that's a facemask!!!

[Roughneck93]

Now both starting WRs out too.

Lol, didn't matter on this drive.

[83Indian]

Defense needs to come up big here!

[defense51]

I believe!

[Roughneck93]

Now this is ridiculous.

[Tejastrue]

Completely outcoached. JG has gotten embarrassed.

Garrett is no Shanahan but he is learning fast. Give the guy a break. With all the injuries on defense for Dallas there is no way that they should be in this game but hey...they are!!

[83Indian]

Come on Dallas!

[Roughneck93]

Of course...

[83Indian]

Omg!

[defense51]

#3 is probably the dagger through the heart...

[Macarthur]

Garrett is no Shanahan but he is learning fast. Give the guy a break. With all the injuries on defense for Dallas there is no way that they should be in this game but hey...they are!!

Give him a break? Hes been an OC for 7 years. How long should we give him?

[83Indian]

Such bs rules. Come on man

[defense51]

Unreal

[Tejastrue]

Give him a break? Hes been an OC for 7 years. How long should we give him?

I guess that int was Garrett's fault.

[83Indian]

I guess that int was Garrett's fault.
No but you would think after blitzing the whole game Dallas could come up with something?

[Macarthur]

I guess that int was Garrett's fault.

I didnt say it was.

[Macarthur]

No but you would think after blitzing the whole game Dallas could come up with something?

This. And its the MO for haslett. JG had to know it was coming and its not like they tried ti disguise it.

[83Indian]

Well Jerry. When you gonna fire the gm? No sane owner would put up with this record of failure.

[Macarthur]

Need to bring in Norv to run the offense.

[defense51]

We always have next year...:vrycnfsd:

[Tejastrue]

Need to bring in Norv to run the offense.

How has that worked for San Diego?

[defense51]

I believe!

I officially recant my statement.

[defense51]

How has that worked for San Diego?

Norv's time has come and gone!

[83Indian]

Until jones gets out of the way, this is what we will get, so frustrating after years of success, were stuck with this

[Macarthur]

How has that worked for San Diego?

He actually fielded some fantastic offenses. I didnt say HC. Hes a fantastic OC.

[Farmersfan]

Romo makes my job so easy! NOBODY can make excuses for this crap Romo showed us tonight. I say Goodbye underachiever. I'd rather have Quincey Carter back than to watch another play by Tony Romo!

[Macarthur]

Norv's time has come and gone!

Let me tell you he will get an OC job as quickly as he wants one. Very well respected in the league.

[defense51]

I'd rather have Quincey Carter back than to watch another play by Tony Romo!
I'm not sure I'd go that far.

[Macarthur]

Romo makes my job so easy! NOBODY can make excuses for this crap Romo showed us tonight. I say Goodbye underachiever. I'd rather have Quincey Carter back than to watch another play by Tony Romo!

Im not going to defend him because he was bad but to invoke the name quincy is just silliness.

[defense51]

Let me tell you he will get an OC job as quickly as he wants one. Very well respected in the league.
I agree he's respected, and has had phenomenal success, but his time has past!

[83Indian]

Romo makes my job so easy! NOBODY can make excuses for this crap Romo showed us tonight. I say Goodbye underachiever. I'd rather have Quincey Carter back than to watch another play by Tony Romo!
Lmao

[Tejastrue]

He actually fielded some fantastic offenses. I didnt say HC. Hes a fantastic OC.

Very true...I'm a long time Cowboy fan and just bitter right now!!:wave:

[83Indian]

I don't even want to see the romo post game interview. He has to know the gigs up. What else can he say that hasn't been said 100 times

[Tejastrue]

Im not going to defend him because he was bad but to invoke the name quincy is just silliness.

Agreed!! I'd much rather he said Clarence Carter!! LOL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gMkiOPSeA

[bearbear78]

I hope we have seen Romo for the last time as the DC QB and Garrett as the HC... What a disappointment year after year with Romo..get a dang coach, sign a young gun and leave em alone Jerry!!!!

[Macarthur]

I agree he's respected, and has had phenomenal success, but his time has past!

This doesnt make any sense?

[Macarthur]

I hope we have seen Romo for the last time as the DC QB and Garrett as the HC... What a disappointment year after year with Romo..get a dang coach, sign a young gun and leave em alone Jerry!!!!

Who?

[bobcat1]

Pitiful defense, pitiful offense. No part of Dallas shined tonight. Seattle would have scored 50 on them in the first half. Retire Romo and go play golf. Fire them all Jerry including yourself. Hire a football guy to come rebuild this team.

[Tejastrue]

I hope we have seen Romo for the last time as the DC QB and Garrett as the HC... What a disappointment year after year with Romo..get a dang coach, sign a young gun and leave em alone Jerry!!!!

If ever there was a year to make excuses it would be this year. Just take a little time and go over the injury report for the whole season and take note about key injuries. It was amazing that they were able to make it this close!!

[Macarthur]

If ever there was a year to make excuses it would be this year. Just take aI little time and go over the injury report for the whole season and take note about key injuries. It was amazing that they were able to make it this close!!

Its difficult to think about the big picture right now but this is true.

This team has been severely undermanned for the lasthalf of the season .

[83Indian]

I think the defense was good enough tonight. Dallas offense blew the first possession inside skins 30 yard line. Didn't try the fg before the half. Got the ball with 3 30 left in the game with a chance to tie or win. Int inside your own 30 is hard to defense. The hands to face was bs even tho its the rule. Would have had another chance to win. I need another pro team to root for

[defense51]

This doesnt make any sense?

He is respected, HAS had success, hell of a nice guy, BUT his success is in the past.

[Macarthur]

I agree the defense played as well as they possibly could. This one is on the offense.

[bearbear78]

Who?
Nfldraftscout.com only has about 30 pages of draft prospects for next year, I wouldn't really care which QB we got in Dallas as long as its not Romo.

[Tejastrue]

Jerry will never relinquish GM authority to anyone unless they have a Jones sirname. He is his worst nightmare. How long will he allow Jimmy Johnson to celebrate a Dallas Cowboy season debacle?

[Macarthur]

Nfldraftscout.com only has about 30 pages of draft prospects for next year, I wouldn't really care which QB we got in Dallas as long as its not Romo.

Thats why your not a GM.

Look, im all for an upgrade but you got to be realistic about where that comes from and who it is.

[movethechain]

The Cowboys are making professional football too much like championship wrasslin. Really Romo, you didn't just tell the running back to run over there pointing to the left flat and then lob the ball way up in the air, exactly where you just pointed for your running back to run to, for a beautiful, if not hard to make interception by the Redskins. Come on, really? Just too fake to be called professional football.

[bearbear78]

Nfldraftscout.com only has about 30 pages of draft prospects for next year, I wouldn't really care which QB we got in Dallas as long as its not Romo.
He's just not a big game QB , Garrett's not a big game coach. How much more do you need to see to know this?

[bearbear78]

Thats why your not a GM.

Look, im all for an upgrade but you got to be realistic about where that comes from and who it is.

Lol, gotta love the guys that troll 3adl looking for any debate they can find, so you know, never at any point in life did I wanna grow up and be a GM. Lol.... I am however a Dallas fan and no matter how you look at it romo and Garrett aren't working for America's Team and its safe to say by now they never will.

[Tejastrue]

Lol, gotta love the guys that troll 3adl looking for any debate they can find, so you know, never at any point in life did I wanna grow up and be a GM. Lol.... I am however a Dallas fan and no matter how you look at it romo and Garrett aren't working for America's Team and its safe to say by now they never will.


One thing I will say to you with the 87 posts and a 2012 membership is that Mac does not troll. You don't have to agree but you know where he stands!

[Macarthur]

One thing I will say to you with the 87 posts and a 2012 membership is that Mac does not troll. You don't have to agree but you know where he stands!

I hate trolling.

Its tough to think about this rationaly when your angry. I get that. Its really frustrating but you have to look at it realistically.

Financially you have to extend romo due to his cap hit next year. And trades just dont happen in the nfl because of that.

So youre looking at FA or draft. The only reasonable option is draft. This is looking like a weak QB draft.

As for JG, I like what hes done as a HC. The guys play hard and the bad plays and dumb plays have lessened. But as an OC I think he has major weaknesses. Thats where he needs help.

[Bull Butter]

Jerry doesn't care that much about winning & losing as long as he's making $. Wanna send a message and hit him where it hurts? Stop buying the goods and buying tickets to the games. Until that happens, Jerry wont stop doing what he's doing

[Tejastrue]

I hate trolling.

Its tough to think about this rationaly when your angry. I get that. Its really frustrating but you have to look at it realistically.

Financially you have to extend romo due to his cap hit next year. And trades just dont happen in the nfl because of that.

So youre looking at FA or draft. The only reasonable option is draft. This is looking like a weak QB draft.

As for JG, I like what hes done as a HC. The guys play hard and the bad plays and dumb plays have lessened. But as an OC I think he has major weaknesses. Thats where he needs help.

Just the name Shanahan trumps Garrett...at least for now. In my heart of hearts I really believe that Garrett is the still answer in spite of JJ. I believe Romo will have late career success..much like Favre..and better than most NFL QBs'!!

[Farmersfan]

Im not going to defend him because he was bad but to invoke the name quincy is just silliness.



There is nothing silly about it Mac! Never once during the Quincey Carter career in Dallas did the Cowboys feel they had their franchise QB and stopped trying to upgrade that position. Yet with Romo they have done just that! Can they upgrade it? Who the hell knows? What I do know for certain is that they will never upgrade it if they aren't trying. What you and so many others are doing kind of reminds me of the Tortoise and the Hare story. You keep defending the Hare with excuses about salary cap hits, weak draft, good regular season numbers ect, ect, ect and all the while you know the end result will be the same. It doesn't matter how fast or how well that Hare runs that race if he doesn't FINISH IT........................... Tony Romo has never shown in his entire football career that he can finish the race. Everybody on that team played their asses off last night and that depleted, patchwork defense did enough against the #1 rated rush and #4 rated overall offense in the NFL to win the game. They just didn't do enough to overcome Romo's mistakes and his inability to score points. Basically Romo gets credit for 10 points in that game against the #28 rated pass defense and #22 rated rush defense in the NFL. Just like every single season he has played for the Dallas Cowboys Romo sucked when he needed to shine the most. End of Story.

[Farmersfan]

I agree the defense played as well as they possibly could. This one is on the offense.



And even you must admit that a 6 or 7 man rush will get a lot of pressure on ANY QB. Romo needed to make them pay for that kind of all out blitz. The first time he adjusted to the pressure and tried a quick pass to burn the blitz he missed TWO wide open receivers and threw the ball right at a Skin's linebacker. The D-back for the Skin's (Hall) looked like a All Pro last night against Dez because Romo could not put the ball where it needed to be. The few times he did Dez beat Hall like a rug. The slants were open but Romo couldn't hit them! The back shoulder throw to the outside was open but Romo's throws were way off. Nothing about Romo last night looked like a quality QB in the NFL. His reads were off! His throws were off! His atttiude was off!
Tony Romo is 0-3 in week 17 MUST HAVE games in his career. Last nights 55 QB rating for Romo was probably one of his better performances................. give me a break.

[GrTigers6]

And even you must admit that a 6 or 7 man rush will get a lot of pressure on ANY QB. Romo needed to make them pay for that kind of all out blitz. The first time he adjusted to the pressure and tried a quick pass to burn the blitz he missed TWO wide open receivers and threw the ball right at a Skin's linebacker. The D-back for the Skin's (Hall) looked like a All Pro last night against Dez because Romo could not put the ball where it needed to be. The few times he did Dez beat Hall like a rug. The slants were open but Romo couldn't hit them! The back shoulder throw to the outside was open but Romo's throws were way off. Nothing about Romo last night looked like a quality QB in the NFL. His reads were off! His throws were off! His atttiude was off!
Tony Romo is 0-3 in week 17 MUST HAVE games in his career. Last nights 55 QB rating for Romo was probably one of his better performances................. give me a break.Not Defending Romo but his recievers werent making those reads. Like the first Int ogletree wasnt looking for the ball or wasnt deep enough im not sure but he definitely wasnt on the same page and on another play Romo and Witten were discussing heavily about wrong routes as well. Romo did seem to fall into his well that he does when things arent going well but you have to think if he trusted his O line would that ever change. I dont know because I dont believe we have had a line worthy of trust since early in his career!
I do think they need to try and get another QB to groom. If nothing else to learn from Romo the good and the bad.
I agree with Mac in the fact that JC needs an OC to be a Quality HC.
This loss didnt bother me as much as I thought it would because I thought about how next week would likely be a blowout with all the injuries we sustained last night to add to the ones already out.
Definitely need a better Quality back up RB, and Safeties

[Crow22]

I agree the defense played as well as they possibly could. This one is on the offense.

Um...how exactly did the defense play well? Did you not see the Redskins shredding them on the ground? I mean, seriously...did you even watch the game?

[Eagle 1]

Pitiful defense, pitiful offense. No part of Dallas shined tonight. Seattle would have scored 50 on them in the first half. Retire Romo and go play golf. Fire them all Jerry including yourself. Hire a football guy to come rebuild this team.

X2

A great coach can make:
1. a less than average player average
2. an average player good
3. a good player great
4. a great player phenominal

No more execuses. We need a great coach and for Jerry to retire and hire a REAL GENERAL MANAGER.
He is such an idiot. He could make millions more if he would just step back and let somebody who knows how to run this team take over.
Until that happens, we cowboy fans will suffer through more mediocre seasons.

[Farmersfan]

Not Defending Romo but his recievers werent making those reads. Like the first Int ogletree wasnt looking for the ball or wasnt deep enough im not sure but he definitely wasnt on the same page and on another play Romo and Witten were discussing heavily about wrong routes as well. Romo did seem to fall into his well that he does when things arent going well but you have to think if he trusted his O line would that ever change. I dont know because I dont believe we have had a line worthy of trust since early in his career!
I do think they need to try and get another QB to groom. If nothing else to learn from Romo the good and the bad.
I agree with Mac in the fact that JC needs an OC to be a Quality HC.
This loss didnt bother me as much as I thought it would because I thought about how next week would likely be a blowout with all the injuries we sustained last night to add to the ones already out.
Definitely need a better Quality back up RB, and Safeties



This is year 7 of Romo being the starting QB for the Cowboys. And this is year 7 of the receivers being blamed for not being on the same page every time Romo makes a bad throw or a bad read. The receivers have been replaced repeatedly yet the same problems continue! The receiver's coaches and OC have been replaced yet we see the same problems. At some point Romo has to shoulder the blame. He has had a average or better O-line 5 out of 7 years! He has had a average or better defense 6 out of 7 years. He has had a average or better running game 6 out of 7 years. (7 out of 7 if Murray had stayed healthy). No part of this team has been consistently terrible for all seven years of Romo's career. Why Romo supporters think they are supposed to give him a top ranked defense, top ranked O-line, top ranked running game and top ranked receivers before he can win is beyond me. If they put all those top ranked peices together ANY QB can win. A great QB has to get the most out of those around him. Romo doesn't.

[Macarthur]

And even you must admit that a 6 or 7 man rush will get a lot of pressure on ANY QB. Romo needed to make them pay for that kind of all out blitz.

No question, but I put more of the blame on JG. A QB can only play in the system that he's given. It is football 101 that when a team blitzes, you throw to where the blitz came from. The skins repeatedly blitzed the interior of the OL. Very Very few times did we attack the middle of the field. There's no question Romo made a bad throw; I actually question his decision more on that play because Witten probably should have gotten the ball instead of Ogletree.

I don't see how anyone could have watched that game and not questioned the preperation and approach offensively. Obviously, the execution is the easy thing to see, but I think there's a lot more to it than that. I remember one particular blitz they showed from behind and Romo threw the deep out incompletetion to Ogletree. They blitzed from the middle and both routes (Witten and Ogletree) were both outside long developing routes. When those LBers vacated the middle, you have to attack the middle of the field!!!


The first time he adjusted to the pressure and tried a quick pass to burn the blitz he missed TWO wide open receivers and threw the ball right at a Skin's linebacker.

Actually, it was a DB that made the pick, but whatever. Again, bad play.


The D-back for the Skin's (Hall) looked like a All Pro last night against Dez because Romo could not put the ball where it needed to be.

I think Hall should have gotten flagged a couple of times last night. Interesting how a flag happy league just swallowed their whistles last night...


The few times he did Dez beat Hall like a rug.

Dude, I don't remember the Cowboys WRs beating anyone like a rug last night. Wash's DBs where physical and in their grill virtually all night.


The slants were open but Romo couldn't hit them!

I remember one good slant play and another that Hall knocked the ball away and Dez wanted a call. Gee, listening to you, it seems like the Cowboys should have had 300 yards passing last night. Open WRs all over the field.


The back shoulder throw to the outside was open but Romo's throws were way off.

Open? He made two great throws on those for the TD and 2 pt. The one I remember to Dez probably should have been a PI and Hall was all over his back. Was neither an easy throw or catch.


Nothing about Romo last night looked like a quality QB in the NFL.

That's a bit of hyperbole.


His reads were off! His throws were off! His atttiude was off!
Tony Romo is 0-3 in week 17 MUST HAVE games in his career. Last nights 55 QB rating for Romo was probably one of his better performances................. give me a break.

What do you mean give you a break? I said he wasn't good. What you seem to never want to do is look at reasons beyond his mistakes. I don't pretend to say he's was good, but that game had to be 100% on his back and with no running game and that OL, I don't think Brady or Manning would have had much more success.

[Macarthur]

and OC have been replaced yet we see the same problems.

Incorrect. And here in lies one of the major issues, IMO.

[Farmersfan]

Um...how exactly did the defense play well? Did you not see the Redskins shredding them on the ground? I mean, seriously...did you even watch the game?



Apparently you didn't watch it. The Redskins average 383 yards a game this season. They are the #1 ranked running game. The Dallas defense, as badly beat up as it was still held them under their game average by allowing only 361 total yards. Keep it in perspective. This was the #1 rushing offense and the #4 overall offense in the entire league. On the other hand the Redskin's defense is ranked #28 in the league and allows 377 total yards per game this season. Romo managed 297 total yards in that game. Now who would you say stepped up last night, defense or offense?

[Txbroadcaster]

Apparently you didn't watch it. The Redskins average 383 yards a game this season. They are the #1 ranked running game. The Dallas defense, as badly beat up as it was still held them under their game average by allowing only 361 total yards. Keep it in perspective. This was the #1 rushing offense and the #4 overall offense in the entire league. On the other hand the Redskin's defense is ranked #28 in the league and allows 377 total yards per game this season. Romo managed 297 total yards in that game. Now who would you say stepped up last night, defense or offense?


Washington averaged 169 on the ground a game...they ran for 274 last night...you know why the pass numbers were down? Because they knew they did not need to throw...they threw 11 less times last night than average because they did not need to.

The last first and last Romo int were killer...the first one we can all debate if it was him or the WR it really does not matter...the last one was all on Romo, he had Murrary in space on a LB and he threw it short, he will have to live with that.

Washington D came with the perfect game plan...blitz like hell and play aggressive man on the WR..Bryant still has to get better at getting off the line and Austin has never been good at that.

Until this team fixes the OL it wont matter, the Skins were not doing exotic stuff..just sending extra guys and the OL never seemed to be able to pick it up.

[bobcat1]

Romo < or equal to Danny White. Same cut of cloth.

[Macarthur]

One other thing about the running and passing games. Sometimes games just take on a personality. With the field, weather, dropped passes, the refs swallowing their whistle and allowing physical play in the secondary, it became pretty clear that this wasn't going to be a game that both teams were not going to put up 300 yards passing. Even RGIII was not sharp throwing the ball. It was going to be a bit of an ugly game.

[Txbroadcaster]

Romo < or equal to Danny White. Same cut of cloth.

meaning both need good teams to win...which equals 99% of all NFL QBs..only the special of the special of the special can win without good teams

[Macarthur]

Romo < or equal to Danny White. Same cut of cloth.

I'd take 3 NFC Championships in a row like White delivered!!!

I keep seeing this comparison and I think it's really unfair to White. Go back and look at some of those game logs....White played more than well enough for the Cowboys to break through in a couple of those games.

[Farmersfan]

No question, but I put more of the blame on JG. A QB can only play in the system that he's given. It is football 101 that when a team blitzes, you throw to where the blitz came from. The skins repeatedly blitzed the interior of the OL. Very Very few times did we attack the middle of the field. There's no question Romo made a bad throw; I actually question his decision more on that play because Witten probably should have gotten the ball instead of Ogletree..


And naturally you act like you are the ONLY one who knows about the non-superficial aspects of football.







I remember one good slant play and another that Hall knocked the ball away and Dez wanted a call. Gee, listening to you, it seems like the Cowboys should have had 300 yards passing last night. Open WRs all over the field.



Really? Were you at the game? You saw what the cameras showed and the cameras basically showed where Romo threw the ball. The Washington D-backs give up 282 yards per game passing every week. That's #30 in the NFL. Yea the Cowboys should have had 300 yards passing last night and I'm thinking we had open receivers.




What do you mean give you a break? I said he wasn't good. What you seem to never want to do is look at reasons beyond his mistakes. I don't pretend to say he's was good, but that game had to be 100% on his back and with no running game and that OL, I don't think Brady or Manning would have had much more success.



You always act like you have more insight into the game than most do. Here is your INSIGHT. The Redskins give up 96 yards a game on average rushing this season. How many rushing yards did Dallas have last night? They had 100 yard rushing. The Redskins also give up 296 yards through the air. How many yards did Romo throw for last night? He threw for 196. So please use your non-superficial football knowledge and re-evaluate where the problems were with this team. You want to blame the running game yet it was better than average last night. You want to blame the O-line but it also wasn't the problem last night. The QB has to account for the free blitzer just like you said and 6 or 7 man rushes will put pressure on any QB. Romo did not make them pay for bringing so many rushers. You can blame whoever you want but even when the receiver were open Romo rarely got them ball. The Redskins average 2 sacks a game and Dallas gave up 2 last night. One was a stupid fall down give up by Romo where he should have just thrown the ball out of bounds. The ONLY part of the team that was below average last night was TONY ROMO!
And most of my comments are directed at Tony Romo's career. Last night was simply a repeat of what we have seen over and over and over again. You can pick apart every single thing I say with excuses but the fact still remains Romo didn't get it done. Yet again!

[Farmersfan]

Washington averaged 169 on the ground a game...they ran for 274 last night...you know why the pass numbers were down? Because they knew they did not need to throw...they threw 11 less times last night than average because they did not need to.

The last first and last Romo int were killer...the first one we can all debate if it was him or the WR it really does not matter...the last one was all on Romo, he had Murrary in space on a LB and he threw it short, he will have to live with that.

Washington D came with the perfect game plan...blitz like hell and play aggressive man on the WR..Bryant still has to get better at getting off the line and Austin has never been good at that.

Until this team fixes the OL it wont matter, the Skins were not doing exotic stuff..just sending extra guys and the OL never seemed to be able to pick it up.





Does it really matter in the win/loss ability of the Cowboys if the skin's rush for 100 fewer yards but pass for 100 more yards?
And all 3 interceptions were 100% on Romo.

[Macarthur]

Really? Were you at the game? You saw what the cameras showed and the cameras basically showed where Romo threw the ball. The Washington D-backs give up 282 yards per game passing every week. That's #30 in the NFL. Yea the Cowboys should have had 300 yards passing last night and I'm thinking we had open receivers.

You THINK they had open receivers?


You always act like you have more insight into the game than most do. Here is your INSIGHT. The Redskins give up 96 yards a game on average rushing this season. How many rushing yards did Dallas have last night? They had 100 yard rushing. The Redskins also give up 296 yards through the air. How many yards did Romo throw for last night? He threw for 196.

Romo had a bad game. I think virtually everyone on here has said that.


So please use your non-superficial football knowledge and re-evaluate where the problems were with this team.

Quit being such a drama queen.


You want to blame the running game yet it was better than average last night. You want to blame the O-line but it also wasn't the problem last night.

The OL wasn't part of the problem last night? Are you kidding me? The Cowboys OL is garbage.


The QB has to account for the free blitzer just like you said and 6 or 7 man rushes will put pressure on any QB. Romo did not make them pay for bringing so many rushers.

The QB does very often have to account for the free blitzer but that applies when that blitzer is coming from the outside. When you have guys at a dead sprint coming at the QB untouched from the LBer position, the QB can do very little about that. The problem with the pressure Romo got last night was that it was from the middle. He deals pretty well with pressure from the outside, but like virtually every QB that has ever played the game, when pressure comes from right up the gut, they just don't have time to step into a throw.


You can blame whoever you want but even when the receiver were open Romo rarely got them ball.

Romo deserves a ton a blame for this game. No question, but he's not the only problem. And I really am amazed, even with your Romo hate, that you think we had receivers running lose all night.

[Farmersfan]

meaning both need good teams to win...which equals 99% of all NFL QBs..only the special of the special of the special can win without good teams



I'm thinking very few QB's that won the Superbowl have done it with top ranked offenses and top ranked defenses at the same time. That is very rare. And almost any QB can win in that scenerio.

[Macarthur]

YOu know, the other thing we all tend to do as 'fans' is look at how our team simply failed. As much as I hate to say it because he's a punk, but Hall was absolutely a beast last night. Their defense won the battles against our offense way too much.

When our team wins it's because we played better than the other team, but when we lose, it's never because the other team played better or coached better.

[bearbear78]

One thing I will say to you with the 87 posts and a 2012 membership is that Mac does not troll. You don't have to agree but you know where he stands!
Would have replied sooner but I have a life beyond worrying what my post count is or being one of the elite veterans of a OPINION driven sports forum, that being said my opinion is mine like yours is yours , I don't have my opinions so they suit the forum veteran gods. Romo isn't it and if you read I'm stating I don't care who we signed as long as romo is gone and we have a young gun to build on, doesn't matter if the draft looks all that stout or not , I'd still like to start rebuilding now rather than keep failing year after year behind Tony Romo. Now that's my thoughts and opinions, mine. You may not like them but I don't really care, because their mine. Hope I didn't offend the 3000+ club. Lol

[Tejastrue]

Would have replied sooner but I have a life beyond worrying what my post count is or being one of the elite veterans of a OPINION driven sports forum, that being said my opinion is mine like yours is yours , I don't have my opinions so they suit the forum veteran gods. Romo isn't it and if you read I'm stating I don't care who we signed as long as romo is gone and we have a young gun to build on, doesn't matter if the draft looks all that stout or not , I'd still like to start rebuilding now rather than keep failing year after year behind Tony Romo. Now that's my thoughts and opinions, mine. You may not like them but I don't really care, because their mine. Hope I didn't offend the 3000+ club. Lol

My point being is before you use the word "troll", you need to do a little research, that is all.

[bearbear78]

My point being is before you use the word "troll", you need to do a little research, that is all.
My point is when one "tries" to insult another because they do not share their view, well that's trolling. I don't care if you share my view or you don't but plenty believe the same thing I do, no more Romo! If you don't agree that's fine , I'm not gonna try and argue with you or assume that you have dreams of being a GM, lol

[Farmersfan]

YOu know, the other thing we all tend to do as 'fans' is look at how our team simply failed. As much as I hate to say it because he's a punk, but Hall was absolutely a beast last night. Their defense won the battles against our offense way too much.

When our team wins it's because we played better than the other team, but when we lose, it's never because the other team played better or coached better.




This is why we have to go with trends and averages. Those show you what is NORMAL for everybody. For instance, Hall for the Redskins had a career game last night. Was it because he was just playing lights out or was it because Dez didn't fight hard enough or was it because Romo just didn't pick and chose the correct times to throw him the ball? I think the events of the game tell us which is the reason. The Cowboys offense averages 296 yards per game and the Redskin's defense gives up 296 a game. (wow, quite a coincidence). But did the defenses for Washington step up or did the offense for Dallas just simply fall apart? I believe the 3 interceptions and multiple really errant throws by Romo proves he simply wasn't on his game last night. And this has been a trend with Romo. You accuse me of simply "hating Romo" but that isn't fair. I don't know Romo. I hate what Romo does on the football field as the QB for the Dallas Cowboys. I use to be just like you. I use to defend Tony Romo when people first started questioning him. I wasn't in anywhere near the first wave of haters who started calling for Romo to be replaced. Tony Romo earned my opinion of him. I gave him every possible chance in the world to keep my loyalties and he failed even that. But I refuse to be an excuse maker and that is what all you guys who are still loyal to this guy are. And every single time I hear someone make an excuse for why the commentators on national TV last night kept referring to the normal Tony Romo meltdown or his historical lack of poise in the important games it takes me further and further down that road of hatred. Simply put: There is no excuse for Tony Romo to repeatedly choke away the big games that are needed to put his team in the playoffs or the few games they actually played in the playoffs. Please don't pick apart every single game he has played and find some kind of reason to blame another player or the coaches. There might not have been a good enough game plan or a good enough play calling in this game for them to win. But if Romo simply executes like an average QB in last nights game and has moderate success at the plays that WERE available they certainly stood a great chance of winning. Hell, he's shown repeatedly that when he personally doesn't give the game away the Cowboys stand a good chance of beating anyone. There is a reason Tony Romo played college at Eastern Illinois University and wasn't drafted. And the only reason Jerry Jones didn't send Romo packing 4 years ago was because he gave Romo his vote of confidence and he would rather watch the ship sink than to admit he was wrong.

[83Indian]

Um...how exactly did the defense play well? Did you not see the Redskins shredding them on the ground? I mean, seriously...did you even watch the game?

The defense played well enough for Dallas to win. If I tell you the game is 21 - 18 with 3:30 left and Dallas ball on their own 20 in the fourth quarter prior to the game starting, you would probably take that. Forget all the mistakes Romo and the offense made prior to this. The fact remain Dallas had the ball with plenty of time to get in FG range or even win the ball game. It did not happen and the problem was the offense. Heck after the int, the defense still held them for an apparent FG until the unfortunate hands to the face on third and goal. Was tied 7 to 7 at halftime.

What would your definition of good defense have been? A shut out?

[83Indian]

Apparently you didn't watch it. The Redskins average 383 yards a game this season. They are the #1 ranked running game. The Dallas defense, as badly beat up as it was still held them under their game average by allowing only 361 total yards. Keep it in perspective. This was the #1 rushing offense and the #4 overall offense in the entire league. On the other hand the Redskin's defense is ranked #28 in the league and allows 377 total yards per game this season. Romo managed 297 total yards in that game. Now who would you say stepped up last night, defense or offense?

Hard to argue with facts

[Tejastrue]

My point is when one "tries" to insult another because they do not share their view, well that's trolling. I don't care if you share my view or you don't but plenty believe the same thing I do, no more Romo! If you don't agree that's fine , I'm not gonna try and argue with you or assume that you have dreams of being a GM, lol

Well sir..for the life of me I have no idea how you have come to the conclusion you have. His response to you was not an insult but you took it as such. As far as my comment it was never about agreeing or disagreeing with your overall opinion.

[BwdLion73]

And the only reason Jerry Jones didn't send Romo packing 4 years ago was because he gave Romo his vote of confidence and he would rather watch the ship sink than to admit he was wrong.

I am beginning to believe this more each day. :crying:

[bearbear78]

Well sir..for the life of me I have no idea how you have come to the conclusion you have. His response to you was not an insult but you took it as such. As far as my comment it was never about agreeing or disagreeing with your overall opinion.

Well sir when he threw the " that's why your not a GM" in there , assuming I have dreams of being one, but anyways that's a grade school attempt to have a little bickering, then you come to his aid and I simply state my thoughts on it, oh well, don't lose sleep fella... I won't

[bearbear78]

Time for Romo, Garrett and a few others to be GONE... That's my original point, IMO.... I'm sure plenty of others agree. Tired of disappointment every year

[Crow22]

The defense played well enough for Dallas to win. If I tell you the game is 21 - 18 with 3:30 left and Dallas ball on their own 20 in the fourth quarter prior to the game starting, you would probably take that. Forget all the mistakes Romo and the offense made prior to this. The fact remain Dallas had the ball with plenty of time to get in FG range or even win the ball game. It did not happen and the problem was the offense. Heck after the int, the defense still held them for an apparent FG until the unfortunate hands to the face on third and goal. Was tied 7 to 7 at halftime.

What would your definition of good defense have been? A shut out?

A shutout? No. Giving up less than damn near 300 yds on the ground? Yes. You cannot tell me that getting gashed on the ground is your idea of good defense. Washington literally chewed up the clock, demoralized the defense by running it down their throats, and put the game away when a stupid penalty by the defense gave them another opportunity. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a coach and you're a fan.

They played great defensively!

[Tejastrue]

Well sir when he threw the " that's why your not a GM" in there , assuming I have dreams of being one, but anyways that's a grade school attempt to have a little bickering, then you come to his aid and I simply state my thoughts on it, oh well, don't lose sleep fella... I won't

Your mocking of my words is just as immature as your "grade school" accusation. I was not defending Mac..I don't even know the guy. Just stating fact.... and thanks, so glad you are concerned with my repose.

[Manso/V8]

In a good or bad year, the Cowboys are always the most cussed and discussed team in pro football.

Something about them just captures the attention of the whole country.

[Tejastrue]

In a good or bad year, the Cowboys are always the most cussed and discussed team in pro football.

Something about them just captures the attention of the whole country.

So true, but for me...I just have to shake my head and ask why it is still that way after so many consecutive substandard seasons. Still.. I've been a fan since the Ice Bowl days and I guess will always bleed Silver and Blue. When it comes down to the core of my loyalty it will always be due to Tom Landry. That is why I'm so high on Garrett. He has many of the same qualities Coach Landry had. Although it is not happening as quickly as we all would like it to... I believe he is still the man to get this thing turned around.

[Farmersfan]

A shutout? No. Giving up less than damn near 300 yds on the ground? Yes. You cannot tell me that getting gashed on the ground is your idea of good defense. Washington literally chewed up the clock, demoralized the defense by running it down their throats, and put the game away when a stupid penalty by the defense gave them another opportunity. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a coach and you're a fan.

They played great defensively!



This wasn't directed at me but i will respond. Yes, 300 yards on the ground is not a good night for the defense. But is 300 yards on the ground any worse than 200 yards on the ground and 100 through the air? They both get the ball the same distance down the field. That's the point I made and several others made. The Redskins gain almost 400 yards a game on offense every week. They gained less than that against Dallas last night. Not great but certainly a positive. BTW: the TOP was about 7 minutes in favor of Redskins. That is a problem except if you consider that another several minutes of clock time would have simply given Romo another opportunity for int #4.

And just so you know, being a coach in no way qualifies your comments. You don't have to know a lot about football to coach. you just have to act like you do..................

[bearbear78]

Your mocking of my words is just as immature as your "grade school" accusation. I was not defending Mac..I don't even know the guy. Just stating fact.... and thanks, so glad you are concerned with my repose. the guy counting post and checking membership dates as to whether or not one can have their own opinion is talking about being mature? Ironic!

[Crow22]

This wasn't directed at me but i will respond. Yes, 300 yards on the ground is not a good night for the defense. But is 300 yards on the ground any worse than 200 yards on the ground and 100 through the air? They both get the ball the same distance down the field. That's the point I made and several others made. The Redskins gain almost 400 yards a game on offense every week. They gained less than that against Dallas last night. Not great but certainly a positive. BTW: the TOP was about 7 minutes in favor of Redskins. That is a problem except if you consider that another several minutes of clock time would have simply given Romo another opportunity for int #4.

And just so you know, being a coach in no way qualifies your comments. You don't have to know a lot about football to coach. you just have to act like you do..................

To answer your question on whether 300 on the ground is worse than 200 and 100 combined, yes, it is...Passing game nowadays is the norm. Passes cover more ground typically and take less time. However, giving up 300 yds on the ground is completely demoralizing. It chews the clock. It's physical. It grinds the opponent down. So I totally disagree with your opinion that there's no difference.

And saying you don't need to know much about football to coach is seriously one of the most uninformed things I've ever read. Laughable, really.

[83Indian]

A shutout? No. Giving up less than damn near 300 yds on the ground? Yes. You cannot tell me that getting gashed on the ground is your idea of good defense. Washington literally chewed up the clock, demoralized the defense by running it down their throats, and put the game away when a stupid penalty by the defense gave them another opportunity. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a coach and you're a fan.

They played great defensively!
I don't care if your a coach. No one said the defense played great, just good enough to win. An average offensive team would have been good enough to beat the skins. Or is 21 points just too much to expect from an nfl offense playing for the division title? It's the nfl. The rules are geared to the offense to score points. Not high school, junior high, or pee wee.

[bearbear78]

Honestly lets have a poll: who would rather see the fat trimmed and some rebuilding take place than keep doing this year after year ? Lets pretend Jerry gets "un-involved" in the rebuilding phase.... Crazy but lets pretend

[cr180t]

Not sure the cowboys would have had the success they had without Romo. I am also not sure the will get in the post season with him either.

[Eagle 1]

There is a reason Tony Romo played college at Eastern Illinois University and wasn't drafted. And the only reason Jerry Jones didn't send Romo packing 4 years ago was because he gave Romo his vote of confidence and he would rather watch the ship sink than to admit he was wrong.


Very true.

[bobcat1]

Not sure the cowboys would have had the success they had without Romo. I am also not sure the will get in the post season with him either. I wouldn't count any of the Romo years a success.

[Farmersfan]

Not sure the cowboys would have had the success they had without Romo. I am also not sure the will get in the post season with him either.



I hope everyone had a great New Year's eve and stayed safe. Over the past several days I have heard several people make comments on this subject either in support of Romo or against Romo. I think it was Danny White that commented that if not for Romo this team would have struggled to win 3 games. He used Romo's mobility as the reason. I take exception to that opinion. Romo is not what we should call a mobile QB. He repeatedly gets run down by overwieght D-linemen and will rarely ever outrun anybody. I would say Romo is slippery! He moves around in the pocket pretty well and that has served him well quite a few times in his career. But it has also worked against him a lot recently. I have seen Romo actually scramble INTO trouble when there isn't really a urgent need to scramble at all. I've seen it a lot recently. In fact it is my opinion that it was this ability to move around in the pocket that earned him the job and the franchise tag. But I don't think he is good enough at this skill to offset his failings at the position. I get accused by Mac of posting Hyperbole statements on here but isn't this exactly what Danny White did? To make a comment like that which only has validity IF Romo's replacement were to be a completely immobile QB is ridiculous. What if we put a RGIII in Romo's place? Or any of the other 20 QB's in the NFL that move as well as Romo does? What then? And before you guys object to this and demand that there isn't 20 QB's in the league that move as well as Romo does you need to understand I can post the sack and rushing totals for these other QB's to show they get out of trouble as well as Romo does.

As far as the poll question goes: I would say we certainly need to get rid of Romo. Offer him up for trade and let's see what we could get for him. Isn't the definition of futility stated as "Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"? Franchises that do what Dallas has been doing are the one's that catch lightening in a bottle every 20 years or so and manage to make a deep run at a title. Perhaps once in a 12 year Romo career they might put together the right combination of players that could win it all but wouldn't you prefer they build a winning tradition that is in the hunt every season? Such as Green Bay or New England? But what's the difference in Green Bay/New England and Dallas? Only one real difference in my opinion, they have transedent QB's. QB's that consistently win with a average team around them. We can't find that type of QB if we aren't looking! BTW: The once in a career team might have already been put together in 07' and Romo blew that one.....