Wharton vs Navarro

[bag-o-chips]

Should be a good one!

Wharton (8-3) vs. Navarro (9-2), 6 p.m. Saturday at New Braunfels Canyon

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/high_school_football/article/Statewide-bidistrict-scores-second-round-pairings-4047407.php#ixzz2CYbTsY00

Recap from Navarro vs Pleasanton

http://seguingazette.com/sports/article_0b459a6a-3104-11e2-8dc0-0019bb2963f4.html

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

I tried looking for video on Navarro's Slot-T but can't find much of anything except one video of one play, which was A Right Tom (or Zip, whatever the coach calls for motion from the TB) Pass 216 Z-Out.

Any film on Navarro out there? I'd love to see it.

[bag-o-chips]

From 2010 highliight video some student made. Go to about the 7 minute mark and it has some offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26SmXOf7oE

[Scoop27]

Turnovers will decide this game. Wharton had quite a few against Yoakum.
The Tigers can win if they play well. They also had at least 7 holding penalties
Also, Wharton's special teams gave up big returns on kickoffs against the Bulldogs

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Nice video, but it's somewhat hard to see. I recognized some of the plays, but Navarro's style of Slot-T is a little different than the Slot-T I'm accustomed to seeing. I guess it varies from coach to coach.

I recall when Port Isabel played Liberty Hill in 2003, their Slot-T was 100% exactly the same style that I was used to playing in back in the day. I believe Larry Vance is still the coach?

[bag-o-chips]

Yes and Goad was his OC the first year up there. Should have seen our playoff game the first year in 3a when we beat Liberty Hill. What a game for Slot T fans. Last years game not so good though!

[bag-o-chips]

Been told the game has been moved to Seguin Sat at 6 pm.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Been told the game has been moved to Seguin Sat at 6 pm.sounds good. possible two games i'm going to see on saturday.

[bag-o-chips]

Confirmed!

[Manso/V8]

When Wharton played Bellville, they didn't seem adequately prepared to defend the slot t.
Their DL seemed a bit confused at times.
Maybe that has changed since then.

[bag-o-chips]

Navarro runs the Slot T very well. After putting up 622 yds rushing on 61 attempts they better get ready. But if it slows down ask Wimberley about the pass. I look forward to a fun and well played game as should be the case this time of year!!

[lbjacj]

Navarro runs the Slot T very well. After putting up 622 yds rushing on 61 attempts they better get ready. But if it slows down ask Wimberley about the pass. I look forward to a fun and well played game as should be the case this time of year!!

That third and long over the middle was a killer! We only stopped it once but that was the game winner! Good luck Bags! I think there's a very good chance ya'll wil make it to the Region finals. I just hope we can get there too.

[lbjacj]

Matchup Analyzer...

http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/tools/txhsfbmatchup.php?team1=Geronimo+Navarro&site=vs.&team2=Wharton

[Old Green]

I have to go with Navarro on this one.

[Scoop27]

I expect this to be a very high scoring game.

[regaleagle]

I was at the Yoakum/Wharton game last nite. I don't think that stat adjuster takes into account Wharton's qb Grissom missing from a few games, lol. Last nite, he was on the money with his throws, and the overall team speed of Wharton was very evident. It looked like Grissom was the ingredient that fueled the offensive engine. Yes, the Wharton defense did give up some long k/0 returns, and one 97 yarder from scrimmage to the fast and elusive Yoakum qb. Overall, Wharton showed it belonged. They did make some mistakes both offensively and defensively, but still won. If they played cleaner, the score would not have been as close, IMO. Sorry Yoakum faithful, but that's what it looked like.

[bag-o-chips]

How did Wharton do against Bellville and their slot T? Navarro has 5,069 yds total offense and 4422 rushing! Can Wharton slow that down after putting up 622 yds rushing last week! Just saying.....

[Manso/V8]

Wharton did not seem well prepared for the Bellville game, perhaps it was the slot t scheme, the fact that they were playing without the QB Grissom, or that they just came off of a huge emotional loss to their district foe and country rival El Campo. Here is the box score of the Bellville-Wharton game. I sure the game would have been closer if Grissom had been playing.

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/scoreboard/?site=default&mkt=houston&Season=2012&tpl=Boxscore&Sport=1&ID=149639&TeamID=168&SearchType=Teams

Those are some pretty impressive offensive stats until you consider the weak district and weak schedule for Navarro. Just saying.....

[bag-o-chips]

Ok what is weak? Antonian, SAC, Holy Cross, Marion , Wimberley and Boerne all went to the playoffs. Yea Houston Scarbourogh was a tough one along with some others!

[bag-o-chips]

Whartons opp. through 11 games are a combined 51-67

Navarros opp. through 11 games are a combined 65-50 with a State Champion in the mix. Weak I don't think so. 1 0-10 team vs 2 0-10 and a 1-9 team? Just saying....

[Football fan]

It's generally not hard to have winning records and make the playoffs in Region IV in 4a and 3a.

Especially when you get outside district 25 and 26 in 3a.

Look no further than what former Region 3 doormat Calhoun has done in 4A Region IV.

[bag-o-chips]

Like I said 2 0-10 teams a 1-9 team and 2 3-7 teams. One o-10 team had a grand total of 16 pts in 10 games. I will stand by what I have stated.

[Manso/V8]

I am not following you. Are you trying to come up with some formula that will make you feel less nervous about plaing Wharton?

[bag-o-chips]

Not at all just looking at records. We have been underdogs before and it is better that way! Looking for a good game Saturday!

[bag-o-chips]

Just 2 years ago we met Wimberley in our first year in 3a in the regional finals and both from 27 and they were the state champs last year. Just don't get the drift that 25and 26 are all that! Just saying...

[Gone Fishing]

Whartons opp. through 11 games are a combined 51-67

Navarros opp. through 11 games are a combined 65-50 with a State Champion in the mix. Weak I don't think so. 1 0-10 team vs 2 0-10 and a 1-9 team? Just saying....

+1 chips. I'm with you . Navarro is a very good team and D-27 is better than most think.

[Manso/V8]

Just 2 years ago we met Wimberley in our first year in 3a in the regional finals and both from 27 and they were the state champs last year. Just don't get the drift that 25and 26 are all that! Just saying...

Most of the teams in d25 and d26 were in 4a or in R3 the last two years.
I am not foolish enough to think the rest of the region is weak, even if it was, this is playoff time and anything can happen.

I know that d27 is ok, and I am sure Navarro is a good team.
It's just fun to poke at yall about it, because yall are so sensitive about it.
Maybe that means you think there is some truth to it?

[rb585]

Wharton got run over by a 1-dimensional Devine in last year's playoffs. No reason to think that won't happen again seeing as how Devine was also from a weak district like Navarro!

[Manso/V8]

Wharton got run over by a 1-dimensional Devine in last year's playoffs. No reason to think that won't happen again seeing as how Devine was also from a weak district like Navarro!

You are right, R4 - d25 was pretty weak last year apart from West Columbia (D1).
We scrimmaged Wharton and played Sweeny in pre-district last year and I was really surprised those two last as long as they did in the playoffs.

With the realignment d25 is a lot different this year with El Campo, Bellville, Wharton, and Sealy.
El Campo was definitely the superior power team.
Bellville is a solid d2 team, probably similar to Wimberley.
Wharton has a lot of really good athletes and can be dangerous.
I think you are familiar with Sealy.

I'm not saying that Wharton will beat Navarro or vice-versa, it just seems that the Navarro folks are awful nervous about playing Wharton.

[Football fan]

My point was not that there aren't good teams in Region IV outside 25 & 26.

I just don't think the other districts are as deep. Wimberly and Navarro are obviously quality teams that would do well in almost any district.

But most districts below 25 & 26 have one maybe two quality teams. I'd say 25 had 4 teams that would have been either 1 or 2 in almost any other region IV district.

Just my opinion.

[Manso/V8]

My point was not that there aren't good teams in Region IV outside 25 & 26.

I just don't think the other districts are as deep. Wimberly and Navarro are obviously quality teams that would do well in almost any district.

But most districts below 25 & 26 have one maybe two quality teams. I'd say 25 had 4 teams that would have been either 1 or 2 in almost any other region IV district.

Just my opinion.

More like fact, rather than opinion.

[Ranger354]

I wish I could make it up to see this game.....work comes first though. Good luck to both teams.

[pirate4state]

#4 from Wharton is a specimen! Hope to be able to watch him play again on Saturday! WOW

Last time I saw Navarro they beat Mathis at their own game LOL. Is Goad still the HC?

[Tejastrue]

#4 from Wharton is a specimen! Hope to be able to watch him play again on Saturday! WOW

Last time I saw Navarro they beat Mathis at their own game LOL. Is Goad still the HC?

Yes..Goad is still there. I believe that was the infamous BMW team of Mathis.

[pirate4state]

Yes..Goad is still there. I believe that was the infamous BMW team of Mathis.

yep!

[Tejastrue]

Pre-game coverage...

http://seguingazette.com/sports/article_a5109ef4-3372-11e2-857e-0019bb2963f4.html

[Gone Fishing]

Good luck to our friends at Navarro. Win or lose Wharton is in for a big surprise. District 27 better than ya'll think.

[Football fan]

Well, Boerne was D27's 3rd place team and they got killed by Somerset.

I watched Somerset get absolutely rolled by El Campo last night.

They were on the level of Brookshire Royal and Needville out of D25.

[Gone Fishing]

Well good luck to our friends at Navarro anyway.

[YTBulldogs]

Wonder if Grissom improved enough this week to run the ball? Against us, he never ran and handed the ball off every time. It took us a while to figure that out, and by then we were down 28-0. But, he was very successful in throwing the quick routes and very accurate. Night and day difference from when I seen him last year versus Devine in Sinton.

So, if he still isn't healed, I look for Navarro to totally commit to the RB on running plays and ignore Grissom.

Should be a good game. Wharton very fast of defense and against this type offense, that isn't always helpful. Staying home, hitting every RB that comes to your gap and not freelancing is the way to stop the slot-T IMO.

[Scoop27]

www.kkhafmradio.com

[bag-o-chips]

Game also can be heard at http://www.seguintoday.com/

[bag-o-chips]

Well, Boerne was D27's 3rd place team and they got killed by Somerset.

I watched Somerset get absolutely rolled by El Campo last night.

They were on the level of Brookshire Royal and Needville out of D25.

I guess Navarro would be better off throwing in the towel and not make the 6 mile trip to Seguin?

[Saggy Aggie]

Lets go Wharton!

Tigers by 21

[Roughneck93]

This will end up being a high scoring game. For me, this one is a toss up.

I'll be listening online and cheering for Wharton.

[Texas Forever]

Hoping the Tigers keep it going! Turnover battle will be key!

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

The winner of this game gets Port Isabel next week.

[Manso/V8]

Keep it rolling Tigers!

[Saggy Aggie]

The winner of this game gets Port Isabel next week.

The winner of this game (Wharton) will stomp PI

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

The winner of this game (Wharton) will stomp PI

Just what we like to see. Keep it coming! The PI kids eat disrespect up like pecan pie and they can't get enough of it!

[Saggy Aggie]

Just wait and see. I keep trying to tell these people. What happens every time a valley school plays someone from up north? They get slaughtered. This will be no different. Wharton RB and QB are gonna run circles around Navarro and PI. WAY too much speed

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Just wait and see. I keep trying to tell these people. What happens every time a valley school plays someone from up north? They get slaughtered. This will be no different. Wharton RB and QB are gonna run circles around Navarro and PI. WAY too much speed

That's funny. A lot of "experts" said the same thing when Port Isabel played Rice Consolidated. Then look what happened. If you're unfamiliar with what I'm referring to, a little research goes a long way. But if you insist on continuing to underestimate Port Isabel, then be our guest. Like I said, the kids down in Port Isabel LOVE the disrespect they get from "up north."

[Dub-C]

That's funny. A lot of "experts" said the same thing when Port Isabel played Rice Consolidated. Then look what happened. If you're unfamiliar with what I'm referring to, a little research goes a long way. But if you insist on continuing to underestimate Port Isabel, then be our guest. Like I said, the kids down in Port Isabel LOVE the disrespect they get from "up north."

Did they play Rice Consolidated this year?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Did they play Rice Consolidated this year?

Nah, was a while back. 2003 State Quarterfinals. But the point was, everyone on this board kept saying Rice was going to run circles around PI all day long. And that simply wasn't the case at the end of the day.

But I digress, I apologize for derailing the thread. Wasn't my intention at all until Saggy flapped his gums. Good luck to both Navarro and Wharton.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Just what we like to see. Keep it coming! The PI kids eat disrespect up like pecan pie and they can't get enough of it!lol told ya in valley forum the winner of Sinton/PI was going to be big underdogs to people up north. Only way to quiet them down for a year is go out and take care of business.

[Saggy Aggie]

That's funny. A lot of "experts" said the same thing when Port Isabel played Rice Consolidated. Then look what happened. If you're unfamiliar with what I'm referring to, a little research goes a long way. But if you insist on continuing to underestimate Port Isabel, then be our guest. Like I said, the kids down in Port Isabel LOVE the disrespect they get from "up north."

Every once in a while a southern team will put together a good team. Not this year though.

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 7
Wharton 0

1:49 1st

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 7
Wharton 7

End 1st

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 14
Wharton 7

7:41 2nd

[Saggy Aggie]

Navarro 14
Wharton 7

7:41 2nd
Wow

Haha I can't wait for these people to feed me some crow if Navarro can pull it out

[lbjacj]

:thumbsup:
Wow

Haha I can't wait for these people to feed me some crow if Navarro can pull it out

[rb585]

Wow

Haha I can't wait for these people to feed me some crow if Navarro can pull it out

Gonna!

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 21
Wharton 7

1:02 2nd

[Roughneck93]

Tigers D has no answer for Navarro.

Panthers dominating with their run game.

[Scoop27]

21-7
it may be a long night for the Tigers
Navarro is having some long drives and controling the clock

[Roughneck93]

21-7 Navarro.

Half

[YTBulldogs]

I like the lady doing the play by play on 92.5, but--that sideline guy has to go. She is very good however.

[Scoop27]

She's Tiffany Saunders-She has been broadcasting the Bay City game for several years
She's also a teacher at Bay City High School.
The sideline guy is Matthew Watkins who is a stringer for the Wharton Journal Spectator as well as the statician

[YTBulldogs]

She's Tiffany Saunders-She has been broadcasting the Bay City game for several years
She's also a teacher at Bay City High School.
The sideline guy is Matthew Watkins who is a stringer for the Wharton Journal Spectator as well as the statician
He needs to keep stat's and off the air. LOL. She know's her football, and makes it clear what's happening.

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 21
Wharton 15

9:14 3rd

[GoTIgers]

Panthers 21
Wharton 15

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 29
Wharton 15

6:14 3rd

[GoTIgers]

Panthers 29
Tigers 14

6:14 left in3rd

[Scoop27]

Navarro 29, Wharton 22-still in 3rd qtr

[Roughneck93]

Navarro 29
Wharton 22

2:19 3rd

[GoTIgers]

Panthers 29
Tigers. 22

It is Run vs pass

[Saggy Aggie]

C'mon tigers

[Roughneck93]

It's now 37-22 Navarro.

[Saggy Aggie]

It's now 37-22 Navarro.

Smdh

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

LMAO!

What's up with the radio announcer? He/She couldn't even pronounce the word "Tarpon"? I just heard "Port Isabel.......(long pause).....football team."

LMFAO!!!!

[GoTIgers]

Panthers 37
Tiger 22
Final
Congrad's to a well coached Panther team.

[YTBulldogs]

Congrats Navarro. Nice run Wharton.

[bag-o-chips]

I guess Navarro did not listen to the poster's on here? Dominated the game running.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

I guess Navarro did not listen to the poster's on here? Dominated the game running.

Yup!

What a treat! 2 power running teams in the 3rd round playing each other. NO SPREAD ALLOWED! Love it!

[Saggy Aggie]

Damn!

Congrats panthers.

[pirate4state]

Damn!

Congrats panthers.

it happens. ;)

a little upset i stayed home. either game played in our region tonight would have been a good watch. caught up on my CFB instead

[Saggy Aggie]

it happens. ;)

a little upset i stayed home. either game played in our region tonight would have been a good watch. caught up on my CFB instead

Hopefully you watched Manziel :)

[nfcfan]

Just wait and see. I keep trying to tell these people. What happens every time a valley school plays someone from up north? They get slaughtered. This will be no different. Wharton RB and QB are gonna run circles around Navarro and PI. WAY too much speed

:2thumbsup

[pirate4state]

Hopefully you watched Manziel :)

Yes sir!

[bag-o-chips]

Manso and scoop let me know what you think about us being weak now? Took the ball with 7 minutes left and still no clue to stopping the "T". You can have all the speed and athletes you want but if you don't play disciplined football you can get ate up by a good team! Congrats to Wharton they have some great athletes no doubt!

[bag-o-chips]

Stats from the Game!


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/scoreboard/?site=default&mkt=sanantonio&Season=2012&tpl=Boxscore&ID=162240&Sport=&TeamID=178&SearchType=Teams

[bag-o-chips]

Navarro 30 1st downs, Zero Punts , and 71 offensive plays to 40 for Wharton.

[Tejastrue]

Congrats to Navarro!!! Very nice win!!! Glad to see you guys keep D-27 in the mix. Congrats Bags!!!

[bag-o-chips]

Thanks it was a great win esp. serving crow to some of the posters here! Sorry about your game but great run this year. Heard we may plai at Calallen next sat against Port Isabel! We appreciate all the support from Wimberley!

[Tejastrue]

Thanks it was a great win esp. serving crow to some of the posters here! Sorry about your game but great run this year. Heard we may plai at Calallen next sat against Port Isabel! We appreciate all the support from Wimberley!

Will definitely try and make this one!!

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Should be a rather large crowd for Port Isabel. A lot of alumni coming in from various parts of the state for this one, especially since the game is on Saturday.

[lbjacj]

Navarro 30 1st downs, Zero Punts , and 71 offensive plays to 40 for Wharton.

Awesome win Panthers!!! GL next week!

[texanpride1250]

Congrats to the Panthers. Keep it going.

[Manso/V8]

Manso and scoop let me know what you think about us being weak now? Took the ball with 7 minutes left and still no clue to stopping the "T". You can have all the speed and athletes you want but if you don't play disciplined football you can get ate up by a good team! Congrats to Wharton they have some great athletes no doubt!

bag - I never said Navarro was weak. I didn't even say who I thought was going to win. I did say that Wharton did not seem prepard to defend the slot t scheme when they played Bellville. I would have thought they would have figured that out and prepared for it. Maybe they just didn't have the horses to stop the running game.

[bag-o-chips]

Looked like they had way more athletes than Navarro ! Navarro is very disciplined and well coached though and I think that showed.

[Dogs_21]

Looked like they had way more athletes than Navarro ! Navarro is very disciplined and well coached though and I think that showed.

No offense who every wins Region 4 wont beat Region 3 anyways in my opinion! But good win for the Panthers.

[Manso/V8]

No offense who every wins Region 4 wont beat Region 3 anyways in my opinion! But good win for the Panthers.

For sure R3 would be the favorite at this point, but a lot can happen between now and then.
A lot can of surprising things can happen in playoff games as well, so never say never.

[bag-o-chips]

No offense who every wins Region 4 wont beat Region 3 anyways in my opinion! But good win for the Panthers.

I think Wimberley did last year?

[Dogs_21]

For sure R3 would be the favorite at this point, but a lot can happen between now and then.
A lot can of surprising things can happen in playoff games as well, so never say never.

Haha I didn't say NEVER I said my opinion.

[bird_fan]

bag - I never said Navarro was weak. I didn't even say who I thought was going to win. I did say that Wharton did not seem prepard to defend the slot t scheme when they played Bellville. I would have thought they would have figured that out and prepared for it. Maybe they just didn't have the horses to stop the running game.
its simple 3 of whartons losses came to team running ball control offeneses GN and Bellville have thei own brand of Ricebird football
run run run
run over them
run around them
run through them
keep the ball away from them
didnt someone do this to the tune of two state title ande asemiffinal run a few years ago Who was that? Liberty Hill?

[Dogs_21]

I think Wimberley did last year?

Wimberly was like #1 all year last year and they paired well with anyone but I don't see any of these teams beating the likes of a Navasota, La Marque, WOS or Silsbee. I have seen Bellville play this year and they are good but to one dimensional and sounds like Navarro are the same.

[Tejastrue]

Wimberly was like #1 all year last year and they paired well with anyone but I don't see any of these teams beating the likes of a Navasota, La Marque, WOS or Silsbee. I have seen Bellville play this year and they are good but to one dimensional and sounds like Navarro are the same.


Bellville is not the one dimensional team you might think. Both Navarro and Bellville can throw it with success if needed.