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espn1
10-02-2003, 12:07 AM
Did Rush need to resighn? I say no! What are your thoughts.

NEW YORK - Conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh resigned from ESPN on Wednesday night, three days after saying Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb is overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

Earlier Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidates Wesley Clark , Howard Dean and Rev. Al Sharpton called for the cable sports network to fire Limbaugh.
"My comments this past Sunday were directed at the media and were not racially motivated," Limbaugh said in a statement Wednesday night. "I offered an opinion. This opinion has caused discomfort to the crew, which I regret.
"I love `NFL Sunday Countdown' and do not want to be a distraction to the great work done by all who work on it.
"Therefore, I have decided to resign. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the show and wish all the best to those who make it happen."
George Bodenheimer, president of ESPN and ABC Sports, accepted the resignation.
"We regret the circumstances surrounding this," he said in a statement. "We believe that he took the appropriate action to resolve this matter expeditiously."
McNabb had said earlier Wednesday that he didn't mind criticism of his performance. He was upset that Limbaugh made his race an issue and said it was too late for an apology.
"It's somewhat shocking to hear that on national TV from him," McNabb said. "It's not something that I can sit here and say won't bother me."
Limbaugh insisted earlier Wednesday he had "no racist intent whatsoever." In fact, he said he must have been right; otherwise, the comments would not have sparked such outrage.
Before McNabb led the Eagles to a 23-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, Limbaugh said on ESPN's pregame show that he didn't think McNabb was as good as perceived from the start.
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said on "Sunday NFL Countdown."
"There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team," he said.
Limbaugh did not back down during his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday.
"All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something," Limbaugh said. "If I wasn't right, there wouldn't be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sports writer community."
The NFL disclaimed any responsibility from Limbaugh's remarks.
"ESPN knew what it was getting when they hired Rush Limbaugh," league vice president Joe Browne said. "ESPN selects its on-air talent, not the NFL."

Sharpton scheduled a news conference Thursday morning in front of ABC headquarters in New York. He said he would call for ESPN to fire Limbaugh and would call for a national boycott of the network this weekend if he isn't. ABC and ESPN are corporate cousins, both owned by Walt Disney Co.
"I'm going to call for ESPN to terminate Rush Limbaugh as we've seen other networks terminate people for racist remarks in the past," Sharpton said Wednesday night. "I'm shocked that we're at Wednesday and we have not seen an apology from Mr. Limbaugh. We cannot sit back in silence. That would be consent and we would have lost self-respect."
Chris Berman, who anchors the ESPN show, said he did not believe Limbaugh's tone or intent was malicious.
"As cut and dry as it seems in print, I didn't think so when it went by my ears," he said. "I probably should have looked to soften it. We're sorry we upset a guy who got off to a rough start."
McNabb said someone on the show should have taken on Limbaugh. Among the other panelists are former players Michael Irvin and Tom Jackson, both of whom are black.
"I'm not pointing at anyone but someone should have said it," McNabb said of the panelists, who also include former quarterback Steve Young . "I wouldn't have cared if it was the cameraman."
Limbaugh was scheduled to be in Philadelphia on Thursday to speak at a broadcast convention. McNabb said he wouldn't be welcome at the Eagles' practice.
"I really don't want to see him," McNabb said. "You can say you're sorry all you want, it doesn't matter. It's been said."
Clark, a retired Army general, called the remarks "hateful and ignorant speech." And Dean, a former Vermont governor, followed up with his own assessment — "absurd and offensive."
The NAACP also condemned Limbaugh's remarks, calling them "bigoted and ignorant," and called for the network to fire Limbaugh or at least provide an opposing point of view on the show.
"It is appalling that ESPN has to go to this extent to try to increase viewership," NAACP President Kweisi Mfume said in a statement.
McNabb, who was runner-up for the league MVP award in 2000 and has led the Eagles to two straight NFC championship games, said he has no quarrel with Limbaugh's comment on his ability.
"I know I played badly the first two games," he said.
McNabb got off to the worst start of his career this season and was the NFL's lowest-rated starting quarterback after losses to Tampa Bay and New England. Still, the Eagles are 36-22 in games he has started, including 4-3 in the playoffs.
Limbaugh on Wednesday reiterated that he doesn't think McNabb is a bad player, just that he isn't as good as some media members think he is.
"This is such a mountain out of a molehill," he said. "There's no racism here, there's no racist intent whatsoever."
Limbaugh is the radio host of the politically focused "Rush Limbaugh Show," which is syndicated in more than 650 markets worldwide.
He spent most of the 1990s assailing then-President Clinton and now spends Sunday mornings talking football, a job he called "the fulfillment of a dream."
Limbaugh helped increase the ratings for "Sunday NFL Countdown." ESPN spokesman Dave Nagle said ratings are up 10 percent overall. Sunday's show drew its biggest audience in the regular season since 1996.
Seven black quarterbacks started games last weekend. Two other blacks who regularly start, Daunte Culpepper of Minnesota and Michael Vick of Atlanta, were out with injuries.
Asked about Limbaugh's comments, Eagles defensive end N.D. Kalu said: "He speaks well, he's well-read, but he's an idiot."

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SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS!

TarponFanInNorthTexas
10-02-2003, 12:10 AM
The conservative idiot had no business working for ESPN in the first place!

What does he know about sports? Apparently, he knew enough to piss off Donovan McNabb.

SintonFan
10-02-2003, 12:26 AM
TarponFanInNorthTexas:
The conservative idiot had no business working for ESPN in the first place!

What does he know about sports? Apparently, he knew enough to piss off Donovan McNabb.He know more than you will ever give him credit for, TFINT. The guy was a student of the game. It grates me that most people will make blanket statements about someone like Rush being a 'conservative idiot' but will never listen to the program. You don't have to agree with someone, but calling him an idiot? All because of one's political views? You don't know what your talking about. :rolleyes:

<small>[ October 02, 2003, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: SintonFan ]</small>

Jacket2000
10-02-2003, 01:22 AM
Sinton, I agree with you. Rush has proved that he's a student of the game, and if he had no idea what he was doing, ESPN wouldn't have ever hired him. Besides, Im not sure if he was really that far off with his comment. Although, Id be borrowed money that the officials at ESPN knew he was going to make that comment in the first place; probably even encoureged him to make it.
J2K

TXMike
10-02-2003, 06:28 AM
It is easy to slam someone when you have never listened to him. And anyone who ever listened to him go on and on about the game knows that he truly did "know the game". He has a great ability to analyze things politically and showed the same skill when it came to sports analysis. Does he offend and anger some? You bet. But sometimes the truth hurts.

sinton66
10-02-2003, 06:32 AM
He didn't say anything I myself haven't thought before. McNabb is overated. I can assure you that Rush knows the game far better than Dennis Miller ever did. If you think about it for a moment, he was right about the media also, else there wouldn't have been such a firestorm over the comment. The liberal media doesn't like to be called out on "pandering".

I guarantee that ESPN knew what he was going to say. They talk about the segments of the show before they broadcast. If you hire Rush Limbaugh as a commentator, you can't expect him not to talk about certain things. I heard a comment on talk radio yesterday that said expecting him not to would be like hiring Billy Graham and expecting him not to say "Jesus loves you".

I don't think he needed to resign. He doesn't need to apologize. If the media can't stand the criticizm, maybe they ought to do something else for a living.

<small>[ October 02, 2003, 07:01 AM: Message edited by: sinton66 ]</small>

BrahmaMom
10-02-2003, 07:05 AM
Rush studies the game and made an opinion. Since he was hired to be something of a commentator, I would assume opinions go along with the role. I've heard other sports commentators make what I thought were idiotic statements, but would not have suggested they lose their job. Given the media bias, maybe Rush is right and hit a little too close to home and that is what stirred up the dust. I'm afraid if McNabb is waiting to refuse an apology, he has a long wait. Especially since he basically agrees w/ Rush's assessment of his early season performance!

Matthew328
10-02-2003, 07:11 AM
I didnt think Rush was that far off calling McNabb overrated either..he was off base by saying the media wanted him to succeed becuase he was black...I think that was a lil off hand...but knowing how Limbaugh is he prolly did said it for a lil shock value anyway....I thought he did a pretty good job on the countdown...

sinton66
10-02-2003, 07:27 AM
Think about it. Where do these "ratings" come from? If one is "overated" is it not in the media where this happened? I would like to see a black quarterback reach the very top of the game. I've seen several that were "reportedly" capable of doing so. I've yet to be all that impressed. Michael Vick, and, I now have the feeling that, Vince Young may eventually pull it off. Race only enters the picture as an adjective. The over-reaction to what was actually said is ridiculous.

super1
10-02-2003, 07:36 AM
If the media, as Rush says, was looking for a black QB to champion, they shouldn't have to look very far. Steve McNair, Dante Culpepper, Michael Vick are just a few that come to mind. McNabb MAY be overrated, but Rush playing the race card was just wrong. Personally, I wish that they would take Rush off of WOAI because I can't stand his pomposity. And yes, I have listened to the show.

sinton66
10-02-2003, 07:52 AM
The whole point is he didn't play the race card. He was suggesting the media does. The word "black" was an adjective. Why is it that the media can say things about "the first black to do this or that" and that isn't considered "racist" but when a white conservative uses the same word within the same context it's blasted as racism? Double standard? You bet your life it is. Our media is too full of themselves, and believe none of us has the sense to think for ourselves.

Like it or not, the NFL is a business. When a black reaches the level to be considered " by the media "with the likes of Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Joe Montanna, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, and such, all this "racial" crap will go away. No one, not me, not Rush, is saying blacks aren't capable of doing that. It will happen. It's just a matter of time. Vick and Young look to have excellent chances of doing that.

bd0707
10-02-2003, 07:54 AM
sinton66:
Think about it. Where do these "ratings" come from? If one is "overated" is it not in the media where this happened? I would like to see a black quarterback reach the very top of the game. I've seen several that were "reportedly" capable of doing so. I've yet to be all that impressed. Michael Vick, and, I now have the feeling that, Vince Young may eventually pull it off. Race only enters the picture as an adjective. The over-reaction to what was actually said is ridiculous.Doug Williams Superbowl XXII led the Redskins to a 42-10 victory over the Broncos. I think he reached the "very top".

sinton66
10-02-2003, 08:27 AM
Yes, and he received the MVP for his performance. Where was he the following years? Did he have the repeated success of the ones I mentioned? No, he didn't, so he doesn't deserve to be considered with the cream of the crop. Neither does Mc nair or any of the rest so far . To consider this obvious observation "racist" is simply ignorant and biased in itself.

CatsDen
10-02-2003, 08:31 AM
I think he was way out of line and suffered due consequences. Why was it even necessary to mention McNabb's race? If he's over-rated, so be it. There are a lot of QBs that are over-rated, but I don't remember him dragging any other names around.

TarponFanInNorthTexas
10-02-2003, 08:33 AM
I kinda figured i'd be outnumbered here.......seems like i'm the only Democrat amongst a gaggle of Republicans.

Jacket2000
10-02-2003, 08:40 AM
What in the hell does party politics have to do with it?? Hell, I dont think he was far off at all. Ive noticed alot of empahsis put on the black QBs. Even when Carter was benched in favor of Hutch, what was the first thing the media tried to play....the race card. Thankfully, no one bit. Even Doug Williams, who was mentioned earlier, after he retired, wrote a book about this very thing, called "Quarterblack". But, to say that we all agree with him because we belong to the same political party is cowardly and ignorant.
J2K

<small>[ October 02, 2003, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: Jacket2000 ]</small>

bd0707
10-02-2003, 08:44 AM
66, I would in no way put Doug Williams in the ranks of a Montana, Elway, or an Aikman. I'm just noting that he reached the "top", using the Superbowl as a measuring stick.

JasperDog94
10-02-2003, 08:49 AM
bd0707:

sinton66:
Think about it. Where do these "ratings" come from? If one is "overated" is it not in the media where this happened? I would like to see a black quarterback reach the very top of the game. I've seen several that were "reportedly" capable of doing so. I've yet to be all that impressed. Michael Vick, and, I now have the feeling that, Vince Young may eventually pull it off. Race only enters the picture as an adjective. The over-reaction to what was actually said is ridiculous.Doug Williams Superbowl XXII led the Redskins to a 42-10 victory over the Broncos. I think he reached the "very top".Wasn't that a strike year?

super1
10-02-2003, 09:14 AM
sinton66:
The whole point is he didn't play the race card. He was suggesting the media does. The word "black" was an adjective. Why is it that the media can say things about "the first black to do this or that" and that isn't considered "racist" but when a white conservative uses the same word within the same context it's blasted as racism? Double standard? You bet your life it is. Our media is too full of themselves, and believe none of us has the sense to think for ourselves.

Like it or not, the NFL is a business. When a black reaches the level to be considered " by the media "with the likes of Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Joe Montanna, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, and such, all this "racial" crap will go away. No one, not me, not Rush, is saying blacks aren't capable of doing that. It will happen. It's just a matter of time. Vick and Young look to have excellent chances of doing that.I still think he was out of line with his comments. He still played the race card even by suggesting that others did.
He's still a blow hard IMO and I'm sure he did it to stir up controversy. I'm just glad he was called on it.

HotDawg89
10-02-2003, 09:19 AM
Well you know what? There aren't many black quarterbacks, but there aren't many white WR's. If there were a comment made about that, would it have caused such controversy? Doubtful.

Personally, I think he is a lot like Bill Maher- he says what is on his mind when he wants to- and he has some very strong political views that some might find offensive. I think it makes him an easy target for controversy. You are what you make yourself.

espn1
10-02-2003, 09:44 AM
HotDawg89:
You are what you make yourself.That is a correct statement HOTDAWG, that's why I'm proud to be on Rush's team.

cunbed10
10-02-2003, 09:50 AM
If a QB sucks, he sucks, but why the color of the QB had to be mentioned, I don't know, sounds like small town living to me, this world will never unite, so we might as well get use to it. Chad Hutchinson, sucks, and so does Quincy Carter, but the Cowboys are winning, Carr for the Texans is a good QB, never once did you hear the color of these QB's come out of my mouth, but I guess I see past color, in a world that is full of people who doesn't. Yeah the guy was football savy, but maybe he isn't diverse.

JasperDog94
10-02-2003, 09:53 AM
What is so inheriently great about diversity. We get that junk jammed down our throats by the liberal media. How about "the best man (woman) for the job"? PERIOD :mad: :rolleyes:

Pandora
10-02-2003, 10:05 AM
I think that ESPN knew that Mr. Limbaugh would make some sort of controversial statement like he did, and they counted on it to raise their ratings. That was one of the reasons that they hired him in the first place. In that respect I believe that they succeeded. It was one of the reasons that Tech hired Coach Knight, to sell out the new gym. I may not happen to agree with Mr. Limbaugh’s politics, but I hate to see anyone ostracized for making a statement, which has some degree of truth to it. All I have to say is ESPN got what they were after, lots of publicity.

Cameronbystander
10-02-2003, 10:43 AM
Rush worked for the Kansas City Royals for several years before starting his current occupation. He knows SPORTS and athletes. His opinion is shared by many and it seems to me that if you want to cowtow to the politacally correct groups, everything is great. But if you present an opinion that is not politically correct, you lose your job.

This is unfortunate.

SintonFan
10-02-2003, 12:59 PM
TarponFanInNorthTexas:
I kinda figured i'd be outnumbered here.......seems like i'm the only Democrat amongst a gaggle of Republicans.No offense TFINT.
But since you brought it up...
I was a democrat back in 1991. I started listening to Rush at the end of that year. In 1992 I became a Republican after listening to Rush for awhile. You see, there are conspiracies... wink
On a more serious note. If enough of the silent majority would actually do something about things like this(Rush being removed and the like) we wouldn't have to endure such obnoxious dealings as much. In other words, if we were as vocal as these 'wailing socialist-agenda cry-babies' many of these unfair and double standard issues wouldn't take place. As sad as it is true... you're truly free to speak, but only if you have a liberal message. eek! :confused: frown

crzyjournalist03
10-02-2003, 01:22 PM
I don't agree with what Rush said, and I can see how it may have been a little uncalled for, but at the same time, I think that the media is probably going to make it a bigger issue than it should be.

Is McNabb overrated? Probably...he's good, but not the best.

Does the media want to see a black QB succeed? Of course...for years it was primarily a "white" position...until the 90's, there were only a handful of black QB's in NFL history.

But is McNabb overrated for that purpose? NO WAY. Michael Vick is going to succeed. Steve McNair may be the best team leader in the NFL. Daunte Culpepper is doing a good job in Minnesota (who wouldn't when you can throw to Randy Moss all day, just check Gus Frerotte). Kordell Stewart had some good years in Pittsburgh. Randall Cunningham was brilliant for a couple of years. Warren Moon was a legitimate QB for years. Quincy Carter is quarterbacking "America's Team" to a winning record so far. Byron Leftwich was the 2nd QB taken in the draft, and would have been the first had he not been injured. Black QB's can succeed just as well as whites. The media doesn't need to overrate McNabb to prove that point.

bellvillefan6699
10-02-2003, 01:52 PM
i definitely agree... yes people want black quarterbacks to succeed, that is only because it is something new. i would love to see a white running back succeed only cuz it's not something you see everyday. you don't see records broken everyday, so people love it when it happens. everyone cared when ricky williams broke the all time rushing record, but when ron dayne did it, it wasn't a big deal, because we just saw it happen. everyone loves to see something new everyday, i.e a black quarterback or black coach... but mcnabb is not overrated, he led the offense to the afc championship game last season. he is a good quarterback, and from what i've seen an even better human being. rush's comments were also taken a little over board, i don't think he meant exactly what people make it out to be, but in today's society that is how it work, especially when a conservative makes a comment about a minority.

Bandera YaYa
10-02-2003, 04:28 PM
HotDawg89:
Well you know what? There aren't many black quarterbacks, but there aren't many white WR's. If there were a comment made about that, would it have caused such controversy? Doubtful.

Personally, I think he is a lot like Bill Maher- he says what is on his mind when he wants to- and he has some very strong political views that some might find offensive. I think it makes him an easy target for controversy. You are what you make yourself.You can bet your booties nothing would have been made of it.... the media is just out there waiting for anything they can stir up! :mad:

PAINTBALL
10-02-2003, 07:02 PM
CatsDen:
I think he was way out of line and suffered due consequences. Why was it even necessary to mention McNabb's race? If he's over-rated, so be it. There are a lot of QBs that are over-rated, but I don't remember him dragging any other names around.AMEN And yes I have listened to the show and almost always get angry at Rush,because of his know it all attitude. Whether he is talking about women or blacks Rush always shows his bigotry. He should stay away from even mentioning these subjects. He should have been fired.

sinton66
10-02-2003, 07:56 PM
Paintball, I listen to Rush frequently. I have never heard the man make a racist remark. I know a bunch of black people in my area that love him. I guess I kinda have to wonder what your definition of "bigot" is. I don't agree with everything he says, but I've found that most of it is truthful. I can't fault a person for telling the truth.

<small>[ October 02, 2003, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: sinton66 ]</small>

crzyjournalist03
10-02-2003, 09:38 PM
sinton66:
Paintball, I listen to Rush frequently. I have never heard the man make a racist remark. I know a bunch of black people in my area that love him. I guess I kinda have to wonder what your definition of "bigot" is. I don't agree with everything he says, but I've found that most of it is truthful. I can't fault a person for telling the truth."bigot": someone who gets kicked out of the KKK for being an extreme racist.

sinton66
10-02-2003, 09:45 PM
Well yeah, I guess that would qualify! :D :D :D

espn1
10-02-2003, 10:01 PM
sinton66:
Paintball, I listen to Rush frequently. I have never heard the man make a racist remark. I know a bunch of black people in my area that love him. I guess I kinda have to wonder what your definition of "bigot" is. I don't agree with everything he says, but I've found that most of it is truthful. I can't fault a person for telling the truth.Sorry Paintball I gotta go with 66 on this one. I've never heard it, and if he had the press would have been on it much earlier.

bulldogman
10-02-2003, 11:15 PM
Let's face it McNabb is majorly overrated. When he went down last year for 5 or 6 games their third string quarterback came in and lost only one game. Yes at times Rush can be controversial but so can many liberals. The only thing you need to be labeled a bigot and a conservative in this country is morals and honesty. Rush was not being racist he was being honest. The media does make McNabb out to be something he is not. He is not a top tier quarterback in the NFL. Not even close. When he is at his best he is average. The remark he made was not racist it was his opinion. How sad that you can't state your opinino in a country that is suppose to have freedom of speech. He never said McNabb wasn't good because he was black. He said the media has overrated him based on his race rather than his performance. I totally agree.

sinton66
10-02-2003, 11:20 PM
Actually, what he said was they weren't getting DOWN on Mc Nabb because he is black. That was a reference to the sports media in Philly. The fans in that town will rain batteries on your head if they think you suck. The sports media in that town has been known to be quite vicious at times.