What should the Cowboys do in free agency?

[Cam]

I'm hearing talk about Brandon Carr and Finnegan...also Green Bay center Wells.....plus New Orleans guard Carl Nicks...
Yesterday's radio talkin' alot about Houston DE Mario Williams...but some reporters don't think he's worth the money he'll demand....it's gonna get interesting......

[Macarthur]

Rumors are that they will go hard after Carr. I think that's a good move. Several sites that do statistical metrics rate him as one of the top CBs in the league.

I have a hard time imagining them spending big money on a guard. The draft this year is very deep at guard. I would like an upgrade at Center. I think center is a bigger need than guard. Broaddus has been saying that the Cowboys used this last year as a redshirt year for Arkin and have had him working exclusively at Center. That's an interesting idea. We'll see.

As for defense, obviously corner needs to be addressed. I would love to see them go after Mario. He's not a perfect fit, but he's a stud and if you are a good DC, you should be able to design your defense around a guy like Mario and Ware. Mario was playing OLB last season and had 5 sacks in 5 games before he got hurt.

I also think they need some ILB depth. There's usually always some guys out there that can provide some depth. Mike Adams is a guy at safety to keep an eye on as well as Reggie Nelson.

[Buckeye1980]

Does an owner, GM and a coach count?

[Txbroadcaster]

The problem with Williams is this...he is not an all around OLB, he is a pass rush specialist..if you add him to Dallas that means Ware would be taken out of the pass rush more and more( you cant rush them both everytime). Is Williams that good to take Ware and put him in a Spencer role? I know Spencer gets a bad rap, but he does alot better job than people realize in taking on the TE and playing the run.

[defense51]

Definitely need to shop around for a new GM.

[Txbroadcaster]

Not getting a new GM so no point in even talking about it

[Dogman_1969]

Go defense. Get at least a top cb through free agency. Draft the top safety that is attainable and you may have to trade up to go so. Draft a guard in the early rounds who can play today, not a redshirt, and try to use some of the later rounds as trade bait for a middle backer who can sure up the middle of the defense for a year until the next draft. Even if you get a guy who is a rush type of ILB to keep the double teams off of Ware.

On offense, go after Manning. Romo has his moments, but they are just that, moments......

[CelinaCatFan]

Whatever they do...They need to get younger and faster!

[yellaseeker]

Does an owner, GM and a coach count?

No Chit! lol.....

[GrTigers6]

Go defense. Get at least a top cb through free agency. Draft the top safety that is attainable and you may have to trade up to go so. Draft a guard in the early rounds who can play today, not a redshirt, and try to use some of the later rounds as trade bait for a middle backer who can sure up the middle of the defense for a year until the next draft. Even if you get a guy who is a rush type of ILB to keep the double teams off of Ware.

On offense, go after Manning. Romo has his moments, but they are just that, moments......The only way the cowboys need Manning, is as a QB coach. We dont even know if he can ever play again and people are wanting to replace a starting qb, thats retarded.

[Farmersfan]

The only way the cowboys need Manning, is as a QB coach. We dont even know if he can ever play again and people are wanting to replace a starting qb, thats retarded.



any person who wouldn't swap Manning for Romo even under these conditions really shouldn't be allowed to discuss serious things on a forum like this! :stirpot:

[Txbroadcaster]

any person who wouldn't swap Manning for Romo even under these conditions really shouldn't be allowed to discuss serious things on a forum like this! :stirpot:


yea cause it makes so much sense to swap a younger QB who had a top 5 season last year for a 36 year old qb who has not played in a year, had 4 neck surgeries and no one knows A if his arm will be back in game situations and B. what will happen when he gets hit

[Farmersfan]

yea cause it makes so much sense to swap a younger QB who had a top 5 season last year for a 36 year old qb who has not played in a year, had 4 neck surgeries and no one knows A if his arm will be back in game situations and B. what will happen when he gets hit



We have no idea what we would get from Peyton Manning if we brought him in here. But we do know what are going to get from Romo. So what's the problem? Let's make the trade right now!!!!!!!! :crazy:

[GrTigers6]

We have no idea what we would get from Peyton Manning if we brought him in here. But we do know what are going to get from Romo. So what's the problem? Let's make the trade right now!!!!!!!! :crazy:You truly HAVE, lost your mind.:crazy::vrycnfsd:
:wave:

[Farmersfan]

You truly HAVE, lost your mind.:crazy::vrycnfsd:
:wave:


Perhaps! Or perhaps my genius is so far out of your league as to appear to be lunacy..............:wave:

[GrTigers6]

Perhaps! Or perhaps my genius is so far out of your league as to appear to be lunacy..............:wave:Thats very DOUBTFUL!!!:taunt::D

[Farmersfan]

Thats very DOUBTFUL!!!:taunt::D



You do know that Einstein was considered crazy by his peers also, right? I'm thinking that I could be the Einstein of the Downlow!!!! :iagree::cheerl:

[Macarthur]

The problem with Williams is this...he is not an all around OLB, he is a pass rush specialist..if you add him to Dallas that means Ware would be taken out of the pass rush more and more( you cant rush them both everytime).

Why can't you rush them both at the same time? Why on passing downs could you not throw this out - Ware, Hatcher, Rat, Mario, Spencer/Butler with Lee and Carter at ILB. That is pretty salty if you ask me.


Is Williams that good to take Ware and put him in a Spencer role? I know Spencer gets a bad rap, but he does alot better job than people realize in taking on the TE and playing the run.

Again, I don't understand your point. Spencer rushed the passer the 3rd most snaps on the defense behind Ware and Rat. Butler has been as productive as Spencer in about 1/3 the amount of snaps. Greg Ellis played opposite Ware in his 2nd year and had 12 sacks in 10 games. There has been a myth perpetrated that Spencer doesn't rush the passer that much. It is not true. It's simply an attempt to deflect the fact that he has been hugely inneffective rushing the passer. And if you read/listen to Braoddus, he says that the 'Spencer is great against the run' talk is overstated, as well. He's not so good that it makes his ineffectiveness in the passing game a wash. Not even close.

[Txbroadcaster]

Why can't you rush them both at the same time? Why on passing downs could you not throw this out - Ware, Hatcher, Rat, Mario, Spencer/Butler with Lee and Carter at ILB. That is pretty salty if you ask me.



Again, I don't understand your point. Spencer rushed the passer the 3rd most snaps on the defense behind Ware and Rat. Butler has been as productive as Spencer in about 1/3 the amount of snaps. Greg Ellis played opposite Ware in his 2nd year and had 12 sacks in 10 games. There has been a myth perpetrated that Spencer doesn't rush the passer that much. It is not true. It's simply an attempt to deflect the fact that he has been hugely inneffective rushing the passer. And if you read/listen to Braoddus, he says that the 'Spencer is great against the run' talk is overstated, as well. He's not so good that it makes his ineffectiveness in the passing game a wash. Not even close.


you cant rush both everytime or teams will kill you in the flat and on the edge...I am not saying Spencer is perfect by any means, but even Broadduss said Dallas should keep Spencer in the fold

I like Butler alot, but he is also a pass rush specialist at the moment, so when he is in he is gonna be after the QB nothing else

Yes Spencer had 3rd most QB rushers, but I know at one point last year it was almost 100 less than Ware, yet Spencer had almost the same amount of QB hits.

What Broadduss said about Spencer's defense agianst the run was, that is really good, just not best in league, but he is still effective

[yellaseeker]

You truly HAVE, lost your mind.:crazy::vrycnfsd:
:wave:

Hell, guess i have too. But, this is yall's argument. I'll just stay in the background and laugh it up. :1popcorn:

[Farmersfan]

Hell, guess i have too. But, this is yall's argument. I'll just stay in the background and laugh it up. :1popcorn:


It does get hilarious at times. The funny thing is that if at this time next year we are talking about how great of a turnaround season the Dolphins had by winning 12 games and going deep in the playoffs because of Manning these exact same people will then be claiming how much talent the Dolphins already had and it wasn't Manning who did it. Manning consistently took a very average Indy team and made them a annual contender in the AFC. Tony Romo consistently takes a above average team and falls way short of expectations. The greatest thing to happen to the Romosexuals was for this team to go into rebuilding mode so they can actually make excuses that might make a little sense. Now the Cowboys will rebuild everything around Romo but the results will remain the same.

[Txbroadcaster]

It does get hilarious at times. The funny thing is that if at this time next year we are talking about how great of a turnaround season the Dolphins had by winning 12 games and going deep in the playoffs because of Manning these exact same people will then be claiming how much talent the Dolphins already had and it wasn't Manning who did it. Manning consistently took a very average Indy team and made them a annual contender in the AFC. Tony Romo consistently takes a above average team and falls way short of expectations. The greatest thing to happen to the Romosexuals was for this team to go into rebuilding mode so they can actually make excuses that might make a little sense. Now the Cowboys will rebuild everything around Romo but the results will remain the same.


yea cause all those pro bowlers( which you like to say shows how good a player is) on the colts were average

[Macarthur]

you cant rush both everytime or teams will kill you in the flat and on the edge...I am not saying Spencer is perfect by any means, but even Broadduss said Dallas should keep Spencer in the fold

I like Butler alot, but he is also a pass rush specialist at the moment, so when he is in he is gonna be after the QB nothing else

Yes Spencer had 3rd most QB rushers, but I know at one point last year it was almost 100 less than Ware, yet Spencer had almost the same amount of QB hits.

What Broadduss said about Spencer's defense agianst the run was, that is really good, just not best in league, but he is still effective

I'm not saying he's worthless. If I can have Spencer at about $3 or $4 million, I'm good. If I gotta pay $9 million for a guy that is arguably pretty good against the run, no thanks. I'll trust my scouts and try to find someone that can hold the point of attack.

As for Broaddus, I guess it depends on when we've listened to him. I listened to his football show a couple of Saturday's ago, and he said Spencer, last season, was not as good against the run as some would want you to believe, especially trying to justify this franchise tag.

I think most are going along with this out of fear. I think that's the wrong way to do this. Ask yourself this, would Pitt or NE roll with him? I don't think they would. And let's not forget, this is a guy that ADMITTED that he didn't play hard. Frankly for me, his production should be irrelevant. If JG is trying to change the culture, getting rid of guys that admittedly don't play hard all the time would be the first one's I'd be getting rid of.

Ultimately, I don't think they will pay him that money. I don't think he will be on the team. I think this was done to CYA in case they could not land someone in the draft or FA.

[Txbroadcaster]

I'm not saying he's worthless. If I can have Spencer at about $3 or $4 million, I'm good. If I gotta pay $9 million for a guy that is arguably pretty good against the run, no thanks. I'll trust my scouts and try to find someone that can hold the point of attack.

As for Broaddus, I guess it depends on when we've listened to him. I listened to his football show a couple of Saturday's ago, and he said Spencer, last season, was not as good against the run as some would want you to believe, especially trying to justify this franchise tag.

I think most are going along with this out of fear. I think that's the wrong way to do this. Ask yourself this, would Pitt or NE roll with him? I don't think they would. And let's not forget, this is a guy that ADMITTED that he didn't play hard. Frankly for me, his production should be irrelevant. If JG is trying to change the culture, getting rid of guys that admittedly don't play hard all the time would be the first one's I'd be getting rid of.

Ultimately, I don't think they will pay him that money. I don't think he will be on the team. I think this was done to CYA in case they could not land someone in the draft or FA.


oh dont get me wrong I want someone else..but I have no problem if they roll with Spencer one more year

[Farmersfan]

yea cause all those pro bowlers( which you like to say shows how good a player is) on the colts were average




Not understanding your point here TXB. It is YOU who constantly claim Pro Bowlers prove nothing! Now you are using them to show Indy has talent. My comment was Indy has been consistently AVERAGE as a team without Peyton Manning. With Peyton Manning they compete for a Superbowl every season. Peyton Manning goes out of the Colts lineup for the season and Indy puts 2 players in the Pro Bowl (both defense). Tony Romo goes out of the lineup for most of the season and Dallas gets 7 in the Pro Bowl behind Jon "frickin'" Kitna.
The bottom line is we don't have a clue how effective Peyton will be next season. Worth the risk? Who knows. But nobody can deny that a 75% Peyton Manning is better than a 100% Tony Romo. Peyton will be in the discussion for 1 of the top QBs of all time in the NFL. Tony Romo will be a side note in the middle of a thousand sidenotes in the NFL. Desire, attitude, dedication and leadership makes a QB great! Tony Romo has never shown to have any of these on a consistent basis in his entire career. Perhaps brief glimpses every now and then but nothing sustained. There is not a chance in hell a phrase like "If losing a football game is the worse thing to happen to me then I will have lived a good life" would come out of the mouth of any of the great QBs in the NFL. Could you imagine Brett Favre or Joe Montana saying something like this? Seriously? Even a good high school coach benches his QB for making a statement like this. Forget how accurate or insightful the comment might be. I'm talking about the mindset that prompt a QB to say it. Nevermind the fact that all his teammates immediately asked themselves "***?" when he said it. What does this do to his own mental capacity to strive for excellence? Doesn't this plant the seed in his own mind that this is basically ONLY A GAME and the results are hardly important in the overall scheme of things. A great QB must have a WIN AT ALL COSTS mentally. Romo doesn't. That single utterance from Tony Romo should tell all of us everything we need to know..................... end of story!

Sorry! It's been awhile and my soapbox was getting rusty. :)

[GrTigers6]

Not understanding your point here TXB. It is YOU who constantly claim Pro Bowlers prove nothing! Now you are using them to show Indy has talent. My comment was Indy has been consistently AVERAGE as a team without Peyton Manning. With Peyton Manning they compete for a Superbowl every season. Peyton Manning goes out of the Colts lineup for the season and Indy puts 2 players in the Pro Bowl (both defense). Tony Romo goes out of the lineup for most of the season and Dallas gets 7 in the Pro Bowl behind Jon "frickin'" Kitna.
The bottom line is we don't have a clue how effective Peyton will be next season. Worth the risk? Who knows. But nobody can deny that a 75% Peyton Manning is better than a 100% Tony Romo. Peyton will be in the discussion for 1 of the top QBs of all time in the NFL. Tony Romo will be a side note in the middle of a thousand sidenotes in the NFL. Desire, attitude, dedication and leadership makes a QB great! Tony Romo has never shown to have any of these on a consistent basis in his entire career. Perhaps brief glimpses every now and then but nothing sustained. There is not a chance in hell a phrase like "If losing a football game is the worse thing to happen to me then I will have lived a good life" would come out of the mouth of any of the great QBs in the NFL. Could you imagine Brett Favre or Joe Montana saying something like this? Seriously? Even a good high school coach benches his QB for making a statement like this. Forget how accurate or insightful the comment might be. I'm talking about the mindset that prompt a QB to say it. Nevermind the fact that all his teammates immediately asked themselves "***?" when he said it. What does this do to his own mental capacity to strive for excellence? Doesn't this plant the seed in his own mind that this is basically ONLY A GAME and the results are hardly important in the overall scheme of things. A great QB must have a WIN AT ALL COSTS mentally. Romo doesn't. That single utterance from Tony Romo should tell all of us everything we need to know..................... end of story!

Sorry! It's been awhile and my soapbox was getting rusty. :)If football is the most important thing in your life then your priorities are terribly out of order. WOW!
You are talking about a statement after being beaten in the playoffs and not all his fault considering he ran for his life most of the game.
Was it the smartest thing to say, no but not as bad as you want to say it is. If you think about the big picture, It is ABSOLUTELY a true statement.

[Farmersfan]

If football is the most important thing in your life then your priorities are terribly out of order. WOW!
You are talking about a statement after being beaten in the playoffs and not all his fault considering he ran for his life most of the game.
Was it the smartest thing to say, no but not as bad as you want to say it is. If you think about the big picture, It is ABSOLUTELY a true statement.



And therein lies the rub! Of course in the overall scheme of things it is a true statement. But a competitor at ANY level isn't thinking about "the overall scheme of things" right after losing the most important game of his career. Logic would dictate that at that point any uncontrolled outbursts or comments would border on the other end of the spectrum and give far too much importance to the loss. Then after much contemplation and cooling down the athlete would then realize how insignificant it really was when compared to life in general. Most athletes probably do this and are able to avoid voicing this in a fit of emotion. So with just a little bit of knowledge about the human animal and how a human brain works a logical person can draw a pretty reliable conclusion from the fact that Romo's initial anguished and emotional outburst was to MINIMIZE the defeat and deflect importance. This is the exact opposite of what a true competitor would do. I think it speaks tons about Romo's overall attitude about football.

[Txbroadcaster]

amd Romo has admitted it was wrong thing to say..of course those dont like him forget to mention he collapsed in the shower after that game because of the pain

[Macarthur]

But nobody can deny that a 75% Peyton Manning is better than a 100% Tony Romo.

Actually, I do disagree strongly.

I think you are not acknowledging how small the margin for error is at the QB position. And I think you are underestimating the injury. If he has 25% less velocity on his throws, that is very significant.

[Txbroadcaster]

Actually, I do disagree strongly.

I think you are not acknowledging how small the margin for error is at the QB position. And I think you are underestimating the injury. If he has 25% less velocity on his throws, that is very significant.


you know..if Romo had put up a 20 TD 15 int 80 rating type of season I could understand people wanting a change..but the fact is his last two full seasons he has thrown for 57 TDs 19 ints over 8600 yards, 64 % and a 98 rating...I just dont see how people can say the QB play is the problem

[Macarthur]

you know..if Romo had put up a 20 TD 15 int 80 rating type of season I could understand people wanting a change..but the fact is his last two full seasons he has thrown for 57 TDs 19 ints over 8600 yards, 64 % and a 98 rating...I just dont see how people can say the QB play is the problem

I agree. I just don't understand the Romo hate. I believe he is the most unfairly criticized player in the league and it's not even close.

[YTBulldogs]

Please fix the secondary issue. All of them need to go.

[Txbroadcaster]

I agree. I just don't understand the Romo hate. I believe he is the most unfairly criticized player in the league and it's not even close.


reminds me of NFL network after the first Giants game..they dissected the pass that could have sealed the deal...they all agreed Romo made the right throw( to middle of field to avoid SS) and all agreed it was Austin who either did not run right route, got light in his eyes, or because of hamstring could not accelerate...yet then said but Romo has to make that throw...uhh what? You just said Romo made the right play, Austin did not yet it was still Romo's fault

[GrTigers6]

Please fix the secondary issue. All of them need to go.Not all. I think jenkins and adams will do fine with more support.

[GrTigers6]

reminds me of nfl network after the first giants game..they dissected the pass that could have sealed the deal...they all agreed romo made the right throw( to middle of field to avoid ss) and all agreed it was austin who either did not run right route, got light in his eyes, or because of hamstring could not accelerate...yet then said but romo has to make that throw...uhh what? You just said romo made the right play, austin did not yet it was still romo's faultexactly

[Farmersfan]

amd Romo has admitted it was wrong thing to say..of course those dont like him forget to mention he collapsed in the shower after that game because of the pain



Was that collapse before or after he cashed the 12 million dollar check? And I don't see how anything Romo "admitted" changes a thing. Admitting later that it was wrong doesn't dispell the fact that he said it in the first place....

Look at it like this: If you yelled "fire" in a crowd room and a man ran over children and old ladies in order to get himself out the door, would you then claim it didn't matter if he later admitted it was wrong? of course not. The horse has already left the barn. We already found out exactly what was going on in Romo's head 5 minutes after he lost the most important game of his career. You can spin it however want to but we have watched this guy underachieve for 6 years now and will probably do so for the next 6 years. You know there is a reason the other NFL players picked Romo as the #2 most over-rated player in the NFL. And it wasn't because Romo was rated too high to begin with. It was because his result don't match his hype..................................

[Farmersfan]

reminds me of NFL network after the first Giants game..they dissected the pass that could have sealed the deal...they all agreed Romo made the right throw( to middle of field to avoid SS) and all agreed it was Austin who either did not run right route, got light in his eyes, or because of hamstring could not accelerate...yet then said but Romo has to make that throw...uhh what? You just said Romo made the right play, Austin did not yet it was still Romo's fault


That's because those people understand that a QB in that situation is throwing the ball TO THE RECEIVER! Romo wasn't throwing to a spot! It wasn't a timing pattern that Austin had to run under. It was a 2 step quick drop and Austin barely had time to take 3 big steps when the ball was overthrown by 5 yards. In the NFL the QB hits a receiver in the chest from 10 yards away or it isn't a good pass. Romo should have knocked Austin on his butt with that pass..... Then it would have been Austin's fault for not catching it. Now you know and won't have to question the NFL network guys anymore...........:)

[Macarthur]

I'm not going to let Farmer draw me offsides. :)

[Farmersfan]

I'm not going to let Farmer draw me offsides. :)



come out to play Mac. It's way fun................

[Txbroadcaster]

That's because those people understand that a QB in that situation is throwing the ball TO THE RECEIVER! Romo wasn't throwing to a spot! It wasn't a timing pattern that Austin had to run under. It was a 2 step quick drop and Austin barely had time to take 3 big steps when the ball was overthrown by 5 yards. In the NFL the QB hits a receiver in the chest from 10 yards away or it isn't a good pass. Romo should have knocked Austin on his butt with that pass..... Then it would have been Austin's fault for not catching it. Now you know and won't have to question the NFL network guys anymore...........:)


uhh yea he was throwing to a friggin spot..I dont know of any team that has routes in the NFL that throws to a guy instead of a spot

Again all of them said HE MADE THE CORRECT THROW

[Txbroadcaster]

Dallas will not bring back Marty B...good move, he never found his place and thinks he is alot better than he really is

[Z-RO]

Definitely need to shop around for a new GM.


Not getting a new GM so no point in even talking about it

> the rest of this thread.

[SintonFan]

I think they should get Manning cheap and keep him as second or third string QB. But then that won't work...:ack!:
if only to prove that some fans will get frustrated after going 3-1 and that one loss will be enough to call for Romo's head. :taunt:

[GrTigers6]

That's because those people understand that a QB in that situation is throwing the ball TO THE RECEIVER! Romo wasn't throwing to a spot! It wasn't a timing pattern that Austin had to run under. It was a 2 step quick drop and Austin barely had time to take 3 big steps when the ball was overthrown by 5 yards. In the NFL the QB hits a receiver in the chest from 10 yards away or it isn't a good pass. Romo should have knocked Austin on his butt with that pass..... Then it would have been Austin's fault for not catching it. Now you know and won't have to question the NFL network guys anymore...........:)Last time I checked miles austin's arm isn't 5 yards long so stop exaggerating and say the facts. It was close enough to be caught with just a little effort. Which miles chose not to try. But your so focused on romo that you can't see that.