the impact of Stephenville/LaMarque to 3a

[toddg]

It's been discussed a little on various threads..and everyone is thinking that Stephenville and LaMarque will be dropping down to 3a....i believe the impact of this, atleast for a couple of years, will be profound. so i decided to look at these two teams history in 4a by the numbers for the last 20 years..1991-2011.
Stephenville 222-51 4 state championships-----this yr. 11-3 losses to 5a hebron, 4a div.1 finalist Midway, and 4a div2 champion Aledo(in qtr finals).

La Marque 243-51 5 state championships-----this yr. 11-3 losses to Rosenberg Terry(avenged loss in playoffs), and twice to 4a div2 finalist Manvel(2nd loss in qtr.finals).

there may be other notable drop downs, but these two stick out to me as having the most impact.

[SHSBulldog00]

Carl Padilla

2012 Re-Alignment, 22-3A. Houston ISD schools - Furr, Jones, Kashmere, Scarborough, Wheatley, Worthing & Yates.

[Ernest T Bass]

I don't think Stephenville will drop. They'll be damned close, though. La Marque not only is definitely dropping, they very likely could be D2 in the playoffs. I would expect LM to be the heavy favorite to win a state championship next year.

[BEAST]

I don't think Stephenville will drop. They'll be damned close, though. La Marque not only is definitely dropping, they very likely could be D2 in the playoffs. I would expect LM to be the heavy favorite to win a state championship next year.


So you think the cutoff will be just under 999? That is The Villes enrollment. Are you thinking 995?




BEAST

[Bullaholic]

Refugio could hang 50 on both of them....:D

....but they may present a wee problem for the rest of 3A.

[Txbroadcaster]

So you think the cutoff will be just under 999? That is The Villes enrollment. Are you thinking 995?




BEAST

I still think they will push 3A as far as they possibly can up top to show the 3A Supts that divisions are needed

[Sville]

Padilla had a conversation with UIL Prez before Aledo-Manvel game. They were talking about his projections. He told him they (UIL) could not go over 1000 in 3A. I think the cutoff will be 999. Anyways here is Padilla's projected 6-3A: Abilene Wylie, Brownwood, Glen Rose, Mineral Wells, Springtown & Stephenville.

[LIONS#1]

That looks like a nice district!!!:1popcorn: Ville and Wylie could be neck and neck for D-1...:-)

[Twirling Time]

Carl Padilla

2012 Re-Alignment, 22-3A. Houston ISD schools - Furr, Jones, Kashmere, Scarborough, Wheatley, Worthing & Yates.

Whoa ... Yates to 3A?

Probably not a La Marque-stopper, but they're the best football school in HISD. They haven't missed the playoffs since 1976.

Of course, Padilla's stuff is nothing more than a guess.

[SHSBulldog00]

Whoa ... Yates to 3A?

Probably not a La Marque-stopper, but they're the best football school in HISD. They haven't missed the playoffs since 1976.

Of course, Padilla's stuff is nothing more than a guess.

I questioned Yates but haven't heard back from him. IMO they will stay 4A but I don't have an enrollment number for them.

[HEMOTOXIC]

I questioned Yates but haven't heard back from him. IMO they will stay 4A but I don't have an enrollment number for them.

Didn't the Wheatley Wildcats have over 1200 students the last allignment?

[SHSBulldog00]

Didn't the Wheatley Wildcats have over 1200 students the last allignment?

They had 1101in the last realignment, but getting numbers out of HISD is like pulling teeth from a tiger.

[Dogs_21]

Whoa ... Yates to 3A?

Probably not a La Marque-stopper, but they're the best football school in HISD. They haven't missed the playoffs since 1976.

Of course, Padilla's stuff is nothing more than a guess.

Basketball one of the H-Town Schools will win state! Most likely Yates if they still get the recruits going down to 3A

[bobcat1]

Oh I don't know about all that. Brownwood dropped a few years back..........:taunt:

[Ernest T Bass]

Padilla had a conversation with UIL Prez before Aledo-Manvel game. They were talking about his projections. He told him they (UIL) could not go over 1000 in 3A. I think the cutoff will be 999. Anyways here is Padilla's projected 6-3A: Abilene Wylie, Brownwood, Glen Rose, Mineral Wells, Springtown & Stephenville.

4a is losing a lot of teams regardless, so I don't see the UIL lowering the celing. Could definitely happen, though.
As for La Marque, many people will draw comparisions to Brownwood and WO-S when they dropped. Although both teams had had some success in 4a, I dont think either team had been consistantly at such a high level like La Marque has been. Add in the fact that they've seen this coming for almost 2 years now, they've been able to prepare.
As for basketball, don't forget about Dallas Lincoln. They'll be dropping as well.

[Dogs_21]

Lincoln cant beat Yates right now! Maybe if they drop but I don't think they will come down!

[Ernest T Bass]

Last year, Yates lost to La Marque, who lost to Kimball, who lost to Lincoln earlier in the year. Kimball's not going anywhere for awhile, but the other 3 make things interesting.

[Dogs_21]

yea but Yates #1 right now, and you right you can't compare Brownwood with LM year in and out!

[SHSBulldog00]

Last year, Yates lost to La Marque, who lost to Kimball, who lost to Lincoln earlier in the year. Kimball's not going anywhere for awhile, but the other 3 make things interesting.

Lincoln and La Marque WILL BE 3A next year

[Ernest T Bass]

Lincoln and La Marque WILL BE 3A next year

Yes, I know. There is a chance that Lincoln will be allowed to opt up though, as that allows DISD to have 2 full districts in 4a.

[SHSBulldog00]

Yes, I know. There is a chance that Lincoln will be allowed to opt up though, as that allows DISD to have 2 full districts in 4a.

Maybe...they don't want to face the 3A Dallas area school's:)

[Ernest T Bass]

Maybe...they don't want to face the 3A Dallas area school's:)

Ha! You seem to be under the impression that DISD cares about that kinda stuff.

[SHSBulldog00]

Ha! You seem to be under the impression that DISD cares about that kinda stuff.

Not really...but it would be a coup for 3A Roundball

[cowboyandchrist]

I don't think Stephenville will drop. They'll be damned close, though. La Marque not only is definitely dropping, they very likely could be D2 in the playoffs. I would expect LM to be the heavy favorite to win a state championship next year.
I think Carthage will be the favorite in Dii

[wimbo_pro]

There has been several teams in the last 10 years who have stepped down to 3A and who were predicted to "rule" the league. It may happen someday...but it sure as hell hasn't happened yet. I doubt it will happen now.

[Ernest T Bass]

There has been several teams in the last 10 years who have stepped down to 3A and who were predicted to "rule" the league. It may happen someday...but it sure as hell hasn't happened yet. I doubt it will happen now.

Everman came close. 4 years in 3a, 4 trips to the semis, 2 state championships. I predict something very similar for La Marque. None of the teams that dropped over the past 10 years had a legitimate shot at winning a 4a SC. LM did. They wont be another W-S, Brownwood, or Jasper.

[Dogs_21]

I think LM will be a Top 3A team because size and speed, I can't say they will when a SC just yet! El Campo will be very tough
also dont forget them. I don't want to hear about East Texas speed when it comes to LM because they have the same and I think they could give Carthage all they could handle!

[bigwood33]

Refugio could hang 50 on both of them....:D

....but they may present a wee problem for the rest of 3A.
I doubt that since Cisco should have beaten them and held them to 36.

[Matthew328]

Henderson is off to a good start..two years in 3A..one state title and one semi-final trip...La Marque and Stephenville are a different ball of wax..I don't remember two teams potentially dropping that have been in the middle of as much recent success...

[Dogs_21]

Henderson is off to a good start..two years in 3A..one state title and one semi-final trip...La Marque and Stephenville are a different ball of wax..I don't remember two teams potentially dropping that have been in the middle of as much recent success...

And no offense to Henderson because they have a great program but they weren't a top team in 4A every year.

[mwrams]

well if your Mineral Wells your saying...not you guys again!

[Ernest T Bass]

I will go on record and say this; La Marque WILL win a state championship in 3a.

[Dogs_21]

I will go on record and say this; La Marque WILL win a state championship in 3a.

I think so too! Don't know when though.

[toddg]

I will go on record and say this; La Marque WILL win a state championship in 3a.

come on ETB! they cant hang with the 3a east speed man, they will hit that east texas brick wall...they only won 2 SCs in 4a the last 10 years, that aint nothin compared to those 3a east teams.....

[Roughneck93]

I will go on record and say this; La Marque WILL win a state championship in 3a.I agree. But...it might be more like MULTIPLE state championships. :D

[Ernest T Bass]

I think so too, but all Im going to guarantee is one. They may only be down for 2 years, but I think they'll be a permanent 3a team.

[Roughneck93]

At least LM's Tim Wright, Emanuell Williams, Kendall Hill, etc. are graduating this year. That's somewhat of a morale victory for some defenses right there.

[BEAST]

I think the emphasis being placed on LM is well deserved. However, I think The Ville is being under sold a bit. I think they have been better than LM the last 3 years.




BEAST

[Dogs_21]

no doubt Stephenville will be good!

[Roughneck93]

I think the emphasis being placed on LM is well deserved. However, I think The Ville is being under sold a bit. I think they have been better than LM the last 3 years.BEAST Yeah they will definitely be in the mix as well. They will be in my top 5 heading into next year.

[hollywood]

This posses a great question anytime a power drops a classification. La Marque will run the South while Sville will run the North.

Sville is only losing 1 skill position player #24... He missed most of the season so they won't skip a beat on offense. In addition, there will be several Soph and JR that will strengthen next years team.

Should be a great year.

Many think top of 3A is going to 1015-1020 range. Several new 4A and 5A schools as well.

[Ernest T Bass]

S'ville will definitely be a force in 3a, but they haven't been anywhere near as good as LM the last few years. 4a region 1 is VERY weak, especially in D2. The Ville was much better coached until this year, but outside of Aledo and Waco Midway, hasn't played anyone comparable to LM's schedule. Now that LM has a capable coaching staff, they'll be much better.

[Sville]

S'ville will definitely be a force in 3a, but they haven't been anywhere near as good as LM the last few years. 4a region 1 is VERY weak, especially in D2. The Ville was much better coached until this year, but outside of Aledo and Waco Midway, hasn't played anyone comparable to LM's schedule. Now that LM has a capable coaching staff, they'll be much better.

Really!? So who on LM schedule is so much tougher than ours? I can argue we played one hell of a schedule. Out of our 10 regular season games 8 of our opponents made the playoffs including two 5As. We had 3 losses 1 to 5A Hebron, 1 to 4A D1 state runner-up Midway and D2 state champs Aledo. Outside of Manvel there is no one on LM schedule that I would consider better than Sville. Region 1 is plenty stout since 2000 they have more state champs than region 3 or 4. The 24 state champs that have been crowned since 2000 in 4A, 7 have come from region 1, 7 from region 2, 5 from region 3 , and 5 from region 4 (all by one team). Matter of fact a region 3 team hasn't won a 4A title since 2007 when Lamar Consolidated won it.

Again your statement about LM being better than Sville the last few years is false. They have had one better year than us in the last 5 years and that was 2010 as state finalist. Even that year we both got beat by the same team Aledo except LM got beat by 69-34 and Aledo beat us 18-10. Here are how the two teams compare the last 5 years.
2011- Sville 11-3 qtr. finalist - LM 11-3 Qtr. Finalist
2010- Sville 8-6 qtr. finalist - LM 11-4 State finalist
2009- Sville 9-3 area finalist - LM 4-6 missed playoffs
2008- Sville 10-4 qtr. finalist - LM 3-6 missed playoffs
2007- Sville 10-2 area finalist - LM 9-3 area finalist

[Ernest T Bass]

Ahh, so it's a pissing contest now, eh? Ok then. 08-10, Ville had MUCH better coaching. In 2010, LM won despite that, 08 and 09 they werent talented enough to overcome that. However, 2011, you gotta be kidding me. Byron Nelson? Lake Dallas? None of those teams make the playoffs in 24-4a.
It's my OPINION. How's that? You feel better now?

[Sville]

Ahh, so it's a pissing contest now, eh? Ok then. 08-10, Ville had MUCH better coaching. In 2010, LM won despite that, 08 and 09 they werent talented enough to overcome that. However, 2011, you gotta be kidding me. Byron Nelson? Lake Dallas? None of those teams make the playoffs in 24-4a.
It's my OPINION. How's that? You feel better now?

No it is not a pissing contest it is a truth and false contest and you failed. Your statement about region 1 being weak is false and that LM has been better than Sville the last few years is false. And Sharpstown and Ozen (some reall tuffy's there) wouldn't make the playoffs in 8-4A in my opinion.

[Ernest T Bass]

Oh yeah? Well, I can pee all the way to the wall!

[toddg]

oh yeah? Well, i can pee all the way to the wall!

lol!:spitlol:

[cowboyandchrist]

I assure you Carthage, Chapell Hill, Henderson, Gilmer, and Kilgore welcome them both down to 3a.

[Dogs_21]

Really!? So who on LM schedule is so much tougher than ours? I can argue we played one hell of a schedule. Out of our 10 regular season games 8 of our opponents made the playoffs including two 5As. We had 3 losses 1 to 5A Hebron, 1 to 4A D1 state runner-up Midway and D2 state champs Aledo. Outside of Manvel there is no one on LM schedule that I would consider better than Sville. Region 1 is plenty stout since 2000 they have more state champs than region 3 or 4. The 24 state champs that have been crowned since 2000 in 4A, 7 have come from region 1, 7 from region 2, 5 from region 3 , and 5 from region 4 (all by one team). Matter of fact a region 3 team hasn't won a 4A title since 2007 when Lamar Consolidated won it.

Again your statement about LM being better than Sville the last few years is false. They have had one better year than us in the last 5 years and that was 2010 as state finalist. Even that year we both got beat by the same team Aledo except LM got beat by 69-34 and Aledo beat us 18-10. Here are how the two teams compare the last 5 years.
2011- Sville 11-3 qtr. finalist - LM 11-3 Qtr. Finalist
2010- Sville 8-6 qtr. finalist - LM 11-4 State finalist
2009- Sville 9-3 area finalist - LM 4-6 missed playoffs
2008- Sville 10-4 qtr. finalist - LM 3-6 missed playoffs
2007- Sville 10-2 area finalist - LM 9-3 area finalist

You must have forgotten that Pearland Dawson was a pretty good team also! I have to say LM district was way tougher!

[buckeyebob]

Henderson is off to a good start..two years in 3A..one state title and one semi-final trip...La Marque and Stephenville are a different ball of wax..I don't remember two teams potentially dropping that have been in the middle of as much recent success...

But they had a weak district.

[hsbtex]

Cowboyandchrist, you are hysterical!!! Stephenville and LaMarque would stomp a MUDHOLE in those teams you listed!! Maybe you were just kidding???

And ETB...region 1 in 4a and 5a is weak, regardless of Div 1 and 2?? What??? Those are the toughest regions in BOTH 4a and 5a! I always felt sorry for Allen, Euless Trinity, Denton Ryan, Southlake Carroll, Abilene...because by the time they got to the state championship or semi's they were so beat up from playing each other. Region 1 is BRUTAL in both of those classifications

[hsbtex]

And Dogs 21, Pearland Dawson is a joke....not to mention one of the dirtiest teams we have ever played. I was hoping we were going to put our staters back in in the fourth quater when they started cheap shotting us. That district is NO WHERE NEAR the district of Stephenville's!

[waterboy]

Cowboyandchrist, you are hysterical!!! Stephenville and LaMarque would stomp a MUDHOLE in those teams you listed!! Maybe you were just kidding???

I don't agree with your statement, either. Stephenville and LaMarque will definitely have success at the 3A level, but they would NOT "stomp a MUDHOLE" in the teams listed. The 3A programs that are consistently in the top ten will be able to compete with these teams, and beat them in some cases. Those two teams will find the competition in the playoffs is just as stout at it was in 4A-D2 in most years. It will NOT be as easy as some on here make it out.

[mwrams]

After being in a powerful 4A district for several years and 3A the past couple of years let me just say the competition in 4A is superior. I would look for Stephenville to flat out dominate region 1 if they drop down. The Jackets we have faced would have smoked either Alvarado or Argyle this year.

[MGAR]

I assure you Carthage, Chapell Hill, Henderson, Gilmer, and Kilgore welcome them both down to 3a.

lol this guy

[Matthew328]

And Dogs 21, Pearland Dawson is a joke....not to mention one of the dirtiest teams we have ever played. I was hoping we were going to put our staters back in in the fourth quater when they started cheap shotting us. That district is NO WHERE NEAR the district of Stephenville's!

Its really hard to compare districts..24-4A is pretty decent w/LM, Manvel, Dawson, Friendswood and even Texas City...8-4A was real good also w/Midway, Ville, Waco and Killeen....

[waterboy]

After being in a powerful 4A district for several years and 3A the past couple of years let me just say the competition in 4A is superior. I would look for Stephenville to flat out dominate region 1 if they drop down. The Jackets we have faced would have smoked either Alvarado or Argyle this year.
They probably would have this past year, but look what happened in '10. Brownwood smoked Stephenville, if memory serves, and Brownwood didn't make it to the finals. Just like LaMarque might've dominated 3A last season, but who really knows. Will there be years where the likes of Stephenville and LaMarque dominate 3A, yes. It won't be as easy as you think once they get to the third and fourth rounds of the playoffs and they start meeting the really good perennial 3A powers. That's my opinion, and history proves my point. The talent levels come in cycles, and with similar numbers to other 3A powers, they will be on a more level playing field, especially when they get out of their respective regions.

[jason]

They probably would have this past year, but look what happened in '10. Brownwood smoked Stephenville, if memory serves, and Brownwood didn't make it to the finals. Just like LaMarque might've dominated 3A last season, but who really knows. Will there be years where the likes of Stephenville and LaMarque dominate 3A, yes. It won't be as easy as you think once they get to the third and fourth rounds of the playoffs and they start meeting the really good perennial 3A powers. That's my opinion, and history proves my point. The talent levels come in cycles, and with similar numbers to other 3A powers, they will be on a more level playing field, especially when they get out of their respective regions.

i was about to make this same argument too...stephenville had another good run in 2010 (regional finals) and they got blown out by a 3a team that wasn't even top 4...

stephenville will definitely be competitive, but don't mention that to the homers who pray to art briles every night, those folks already have a spot in the trophy case dusted off for their new trophy....

i made a bet with my wife's boss, one of those homers (played for svill in '98, won state, was all state line backer) - he took stephenville to win state and i got the rest of the field, we bet $100....

[Sville]

Oh yeah? Well, I can pee all the way to the wall!

I chuckled out loud at this one.


Cowboyandchrist, you are hysterical!!! Stephenville and LaMarque would stomp a MUDHOLE in those teams you listed!!

I think we will be a very tough out especially next year but I also know that the top of 3A is very tough. We were a qtr finalist team in 2010 as well and top 5 Bwood team whipped our @$$.


Its really hard to compare districts..24-4A is pretty decent w/LM, Manvel, Dawson, Friendswood and even Texas City...8-4A was real good also w/Midway, Ville, Waco and Killeen....

I agree with Matt here, I think both schools played in tough districts. Both districts boasted a qtr. finalist and state runner-up. IMHO Midway was the best team we played all year including Aledo. I would also bet that if you tally up the D1 players coming out of each district it would be close as well.

[Ernest T Bass]

And ETB...region 1 in 4a and 5a is weak, regardless of Div 1 and 2?? What??? Those are the toughest regions in BOTH 4a and 5a! I always felt sorry for Allen, Euless Trinity, Denton Ryan, Southlake Carroll, Abilene...because by the time they got to the state championship or semi's they were so beat up from playing each other. Region 1 is BRUTAL in both of those classifications

I never said that 5a R1 was weak. Quite the opposite, in fact. Even 4a R1/D1 was respectable. 4a R1/D2, however, remove Aledo and S'vile, and the majority of the region couldn't make the playoffs in most 3a districts.

[Sville]

I never said that 5a R1 was weak. Quite the opposite, in fact. Even 4a R1/D1 was respectable. 4a R1/D2, however, remove Aledo and S'vile, and the majority of the region couldn't make the playoffs in most 3a districts.

And here is another opinionated generalized over the top statement with no merit. So here is mine; Canyon Randall, Mansfield Summit, Waco, Lake Dallas, and Everman (all R1/D2) would be district champs in 80% of 3A districts let alone make the playoffs.

[Ernest T Bass]

And here is another opinionated generalized over the top statement with no merit. So here is mine; Canyon Randall, Mansfield Summit, Waco, Lake Dallas, and Everman (all R1/D2) would be district champs in 80% of 3A districts let alone make the playoffs.

Randall-no playoffs. LD-3rd place team at best. Everman-3rd place team at best(THIS year), Waco-possibly. Summit-ok, I'll give you that one.

[Ernest T Bass]

Of course, I believe that all of this will be a moot point anyway. I think The Ville stays 4a.

[Matthew328]

Randall-no playoffs. LD-3rd place team at best. Everman-3rd place team at best(THIS year), Waco-possibly. Summit-ok, I'll give you that one.

be nice to Everman ETB...lol

[Ernest T Bass]

be nice to Everman ETB...lol

I said THIS year. We all know the Dawgs will be back. Main thing they need is one more member of the Krunk Nation on their staff!

[Matthew328]

I said THIS year. We all know the Dawgs will be back. Main thing they need is one more member of the Krunk Nation on their staff!

Right its just BULLRED and his meat smoking antics have gotten out of control...Wrekkas won't rein him in since he's all high and mighty in administration

[SHSBulldog00]

http://youtu.be/FQ5ob9B9yD4

[Ernest T Bass]

Right its just BULLRED and his meat smoking antics have gotten out of control...Wrekkas won't rein him in since he's all high and mighty in administration

Wrekkas has groins to wrap. But with Bullred doing all of his meat smoking, they need one more member of the Nation to bring balance to Force.

[Matthew328]

Everman still has plenty of krunk but we were lacking the swole needed to be an elite ball club....we need someone to reintroduce the concept of swole to the Keeling Dome

[Ernest T Bass]

I know just the guy who can bring the weight room to the Keeling Dome!

[Matthew328]

It would amuse me to see talk of Artdust and bringing the weight room to the field make an appearance here if Stephenville drops

[Ernest T Bass]

It would amuse me to see talk of Artdust and bringing the weight room to the field make an appearance here if Stephenville drops
I guarantee it will happen!

[Sville]

Randall-no playoffs. LD-3rd place team at best. Everman-3rd place team at best(THIS year), Waco-possibly. Summit-ok, I'll give you that one.

LMAO! Rave on! There was not a single west Texas 3A team better than Randall, LD was more talented than Summit IMO. E-Block had some studs on D but didn't have their usually horse on "O". Waco had athletes comparable to any east Texas 3A team.

Speakin of Krunk Nation I wonder how high Jigga's ascent will go in 5A, before Lil Nap plucks him to the big boys? Don't make me get Lerxst over here.

[Ernest T Bass]

Lerxst? Ha! Bring his Rush-lovin' arse on! Ain't nobody scared of that sniatch!(FYI, snatch+biatch=sniatch).

[hollywood]

This has been pretty entertaining stuff. lol

So basically the last 2 pages summarize... ETB thinks if Sville drops they aren't any better off in 3A. CAC thinks all things East Texas are far superior than anything in Regions 1,3,4. Matt328 thinks E-town needs some swole amusement with talk of Artdust. Sville is up in arms why nobody is respecting the Jackets about dropping to 3A. Jason laughs at the Sville homers who still pray for Arts return.

Good stuff!

[Ernest T Bass]

This has been pretty entertaining stuff. lol

So basically the last 2 pages summarize... ETB thinks if Sville drops they aren't any better off in 3A. CAC thinks all things East Texas are far superior than anything in Regions 1,3,4. Matt328 thinks E-town needs some swole amusement with talk of Artdust. Sville is up in arms why nobody is respecting the Jackets about dropping to 3A. Jason laughs at the Sville homers who still pray for Arts return.

Good stuff!

Never, EVER underestimate the power of Artdust! Look at Baylor's offense tonight. Unfortunately, they only brought half the weightroom to the Alamodome tonight.

[cowboyandchrist]

Cowboyandchrist, you are hysterical!!! Stephenville and LaMarque would stomp a MUDHOLE in those teams you listed!! Maybe you were just kidding???

And ETB...region 1 in 4a and 5a is weak, regardless of Div 1 and 2?? What??? Those are the toughest regions in BOTH 4a and 5a! I always felt sorry for Allen, Euless Trinity, Denton Ryan, Southlake Carroll, Abilene...because by the time they got to the state championship or semi's they were so beat up from playing each other. Region 1 is BRUTAL in both of those classifications
If I remember right, Brownwood stompped a mud hole in the ville last year which turn around and got beat by you guessed it Carthage. If you think just because a teams drops down they are atomatic state champs, you better do a little home work. I have a feeling you will find out the hard way next year when the final four are standing and the ville or La Marque is not one of them. You do know Kilgore was still in the 4a playoffs when both ville and La Marque were gone. Kilgore went four rounds and they will drop to 3a.

[jason]

If I remember right, Brownwood stompped a mud hole in the ville last year which turn around and got beat by you guessed it Carthage. If you think just because a teams drops down they are atomatic state champs, you better do a little home work. I have a feeling you will find out the hard way next year when the final four are standing and the ville or La Marque is not one of them. You do know Kilgore was still in the 4a playoffs when both ville and La Marque were gone. Kilgore went four rounds and they will drop to 3a.stephenville and kilgore lost in the same round this season...

[Roughneck93]

Stephenville, La Marque and Kilgore lost in the same round this year. All three will be a tough out.http://www.uiltexas.org//files/athletics/brackets/football/football-4a-d2.pdf

[hsbtex]

And cowboyandchrist, I am betting you that Stephenville and LaMarque ARE still standing when the final four is left. By the way, what happened to your "beasts from the east" in Longview and John Tyler, in your predictions of them probably winning state? We were waiting for them...they just no-showed :) Maybe next year....

[wimbo_pro]

Blah blah blah...bring em on!!

[Pendragon13]

This is a long thread and I'm sure that it's already been mentioned, (didn't read every post) but 3A currently has quite a few former 4A's that haven't exactly dominated anything. You could argue that having played 4A competition will better prepare them for the best in 3A...but you could also argue that the best in 3A aren't that much different than the top 4A's. Keep in mind that former 4A's have dropped for a reason....that being they no longer have 4A numbers to draw players from. Every team (except Abilene Wylie) in 5-3A is a former 4A btw..;)

[Ernest T Bass]

None of those former 4a's had been performing at the consistant level that LM has been(I dont think S'ville will drop, so they're a moot point).
Also, don't know about Longview, but John Tyler started 17 sophomores and juniors this year. This year was an overacheivment. Next year won't be.

[Twirling Time]

This is a long thread and I'm sure that it's already been mentioned, (didn't read every post) but 3A currently has quite a few former 4A's that haven't exactly dominated anything. You could argue that having played 4A competition will better prepare them for the best in 3A...but you could also argue that the best in 3A aren't that much different than the top 4A's. Keep in mind that former 4A's have dropped for a reason....that being they no longer have 4A numbers to draw players from. Every team (except Abilene Wylie) in 5-3A is a former 4A btw..;)

I submit to you that most former 4A's didn't drop to 3A because of declining enrollment, but that enrollments in the state are increasing overall and the ones that stay steady fall under the cutoff. That's been the case since the 1950s — Paris used to be a modern-day equivalent 5A school, for example, and has the same 850-900 enrollment it had back then.

1956-57 enrollments:
4A-845 and over
3A-370-845
2A-200-370
A-120-200
B- 119 and under
(all classes were added an "A" in 1980)

Very few schools are seeing enrollment decreases (Clarksville being a notable exception and La Marque, which will bounce back, being another.)

[cowboyandchrist]

And cowboyandchrist, I am betting you that Stephenville and LaMarque ARE still standing when the final four is left. By the way, what happened to your "beasts from the east" in Longview and John Tyler, in your predictions of them probably winning state? We were waiting for them...they just no-showed :) Maybe next year....
Never once did I say Longview or JT would make it. I do not follow either team. East Texas is not a power in 5a or 4a. We do our damage in 3A and below. Here is a little evidence for you 03,04,05,06,08,08,09,010,010,011 how is that for 3a history lesson. hsbtex. We have a hand full of 4a teams and even fewer 5a, but the 4a and 5a teams we do have do well in the playoffs. OH just a reminder to you dropping down. We at Tatum (2a) spanked the team in 4a that went 4 rounds deep in a scrimage at the first of the year. You do know Gilmer and Carthage beat Kilgore the last two years they played, but heck what do I know. I assure you East Texas will welcome anyone that drops down to 3A.

[Pendragon13]

I submit to you that most former 4A's didn't drop to 3A because of declining enrollment, but that enrollments in the state are increasing overall and the ones that stay steady fall under the cutoff. That's been the case since the 1950s — Paris used to be a modern-day equivalent 5A school, for example, and has the same 850-900 enrollment it had back then.

1956-57 enrollments:
4A-845 and over
3A-370-845
2A-200-370
A-120-200
B- 119 and under
(all classes were added an "A" in 1980)

Very few schools are seeing enrollment decreases (Clarksville being a notable exception and La Marque, which will bounce back, being another.)Decline or increase, it doesn't matter. My point is that is the only reason 4A football is perceived to be played at a higher level than 3A is because of the larger pool of athletes to choose from. Once those 4A's drop in enrollment (or 3A's rise as the case may be) then that point is moot since they will still be playing schools with similar enrollment numbers. (especially in the playoffs) Lamarque or S'ville may indeed come in and run the table...who knows. All I am saying is that 3A football isn't inferior to 4A with the potential talent pools being equal..

[hsbtex]

Never once did I say Longview or JT would make it. I do not follow either team. East Texas is not a power in 5a or 4a. We do our damage in 3A and below. Here is a little evidence for you 03,04,05,06,08,08,09,010,010,011 how is that for 3a history lesson. hsbtex. We have a hand full of 4a teams and even fewer 5a, but the 4a and 5a teams we do have do well in the playoffs. OH just a reminder to you dropping down. We at Tatum (2a) spanked the team in 4a that went 4 rounds deep in a scrimage at the first of the year. You do know Gilmer and Carthage beat Kilgore the last two years they played, but heck what do I know. I assure you East Texas will welcome anyone that drops down to 3A.



Umm...you said Longview, with the smallest enrollment in 5a, will probably win div 2. Also, history buff...each of those years you listed, with the exception of 10, has a state champion NOT in east texas. You do realize that...don't you?? And have your boys at Tatum call us for a scrimmage. I can assure you we will be doing the spanking :)

[Dogs_21]

Trust me La Marque will continue to have talent because of the area they are in! Down in that area kids from Dickinson, Texas City, LM, Galveston, Hitchcock sometimes end up in LM to play football! Not saying they will just dominate all of 3A but they will be in the Top and them playing an East Texas 3A team wont be a problem to them honestly! They play speed every week, and you all keep forgetting to mention El Campo! They will be stiff also!

[Ernest T Bass]

I wouldn't expect LM's enrollment to grow much. It's been a pretty steady decline for quite awhile.

[SHSBulldog00]

The Houston area has great athlete's. Like Dogs_21 said, La Marque can play with the East Texas speed because that's what we all see every week. Take District 29 for an example. West Columbia was eight seconds away from playing for a state title; Wharton, even without a strong defense reached the third round before losing to a very disciplined Devine club with Joseph Sadler; Sweeny, another run 3 rounds deep before losing to eventual state champion Wimberley. D29 was able to out athlete several Region IV teams and I believe could have performed similarly in Region III. Wherever LM goes they will not be a pushover. We play speed every week.

All I can say for La Marque is WHOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Matthew328]

LaMarque's enrollment is dropping but they are an anomoly in that their enrollment is a large % of boys...so therefore in football and hoops they'll be tough...enrollment may be 750ish....but there are over 500 boys in the school....so that still gives them 4A #'s in football

[theville]

La Marque lost alot of students to the new Manvel school. I am sure yall new that though.

As for Stephenville being 3a......hopefully it can help our other sports and hopefully we will still stay competitive in football. The Padilla poll district sounds good. No more driving to Waco and Mansfield and San Angelo. Goodness. We will see com Feb.

[BwdLion73]

LaMarque's enrollment is dropping but they are an anomoly in that their enrollment is a large % of boys...so therefore in football and hoops they'll be tough...enrollment may be 750ish....but there are over 500 boys in the school....so that still gives them 4A #'s in football

Thats an interesting stat. You always look at the school enrollment but never take into account the gender breakdown.
You could really cook the books if you had a good move in program. :)

[JBulldawg]

Yates will opt up to stay in 4A

[NastySlot]

[QUOTE=theville;1654687]La Marque lost alot of students to the new Manvel school. I am sure yall new that though.

QUOTE]


how is that?

I haven't been in that area for a while...but if I remember right the district don't touch..do they...is manvel like 20 miles from La Marque?

[Sville]

Sville turned in 999 in October and regardless of what classification we land in we will be playing with 3A numbers our current enrollment is 984 and is not getting larger anytime soon.

[toddg]

It's been discussed a little on various threads..and everyone is thinking that Stephenville and LaMarque will be dropping down to 3a....i believe the impact of this, atleast for a couple of years, will be profound. so i decided to look at these two teams history in 4a by the numbers for the last 20 years..1991-2011.
Stephenville 222-51 4 state championships-----this yr. 11-3 losses to 5a hebron, 4a div.1 finalist Midway, and 4a div2 champion Aledo(in qtr finals).

La Marque 243-51 5 state championships-----this yr. 11-3 losses to Rosenberg Terry(avenged loss in playoffs), and twice to 4a div2 finalist Manvel(2nd loss in qtr.finals).

there may be other notable drop downs, but these two stick out to me as having the most impact.

its reality..and i still feel it will be a positive impact on 3a football..atleast for the next couple of years.

[87coog]

LaMarque is loaded, they are young so I expect them to take some lumps, esp. with the tough schedule they will have. the o-line has several in the 265lbs plus range with a 6'7" 310lbs tackle and an amazing soph. running back, qb is dangerous and very athletic. he's about 6'-4" and 200lbs with break away speed. recievers are solid and Lawrencne Montugue is back (DE) A BEAST along with Reggie Franklin and two solid stand outs in the secondary. the other DE is returning from surgery and said to be healthy. they have a junoir DT that looks to be in the 6'-5" range and is very hard to block, he's about 305lbs. this could be the most talanted backfield in over a decade for LM and they are mainly composed of sophmores. overall this team is freaking huge and very nasty. I don't recall LM having a team this big in recent memory.

[CTS]

The DT is going to be a sophomore, but he is closer to 6'3

[defense51]

LaMarque's enrollment is dropping but they are an anomoly in that their enrollment is a large % of boys...so therefore in football and hoops they'll be tough...enrollment may be 750ish....but there are over 500 boys in the school....so that still gives them 4A #'s in football2/1 ratio of boys to girls is odd, I bet there isn't another school other than some small 1A or six-man schools that have those numbers.

[87coog]

thank you very much CTS for the more accuarate info.:cool:

[coog4eva]

At least LM's Tim Wright, Emanuell Williams, Kendall Hill, etc. are graduating this year. That's somewhat of a morale victory for some defenses right there.

They have been replaced.....

[coog4eva]

[QUOTE=theville;1654687]La Marque lost alot of students to the new Manvel school. I am sure yall new that though.

QUOTE]


how is that?

I haven't been in that area for a while...but if I remember right the district don't touch..do they...is manvel like 20 miles from La Marque?

The parents of LM kids have moved from the area and to Pearland (Dawson) ,Alvin (Manvel), Friendswood and Dickinson. So I can see some of what is being said. I have classmates who graduated with me from LM that coach in these schools.

[j_dog]

Everman came close. 4 years in 3a, 4 trips to the semis, 2 state championships. I predict something very similar for La Marque. None of the teams that dropped over the past 10 years had a legitimate shot at winning a 4a SC. LM did. They wont be another W-S, Brownwood, or Jasper.
I am not sure that I could agree with the statement that Jasper would not have had a legitimate shot at winning the 4a SC the year they dropped down. They were a quarterfinialist their last year in 4a. They did defeat the team that took LaMarque out that year: Houston Forest Brook. A team that reportedly sent 12 or so athletes to Div 1 schools. The LaMarque coach was quoted as saying that Forest Brook just had too much speed for LaMarque. But they did not have too much speed for Jasper. Jasper returned almost all their starters off that team. No, they did not get the job done in 3a; they ran into a buzz saw by the names of Shipley and McGhee. But to say they would not have had a legitimate shot in 4a, not sure that is accurate. I think Jasper did get too overconfident in 3a for their own good; that probably would not have happened in 4a.

[SHSBulldog00]

The parents of LM kids have moved from the area and to Pearland (Dawson) ,Alvin (Manvel), Friendswood and Dickinson. So I can see some of what is being said. I have classmates who graduated with me from LM that coach in these schools.

I heard about 3-4 moved to Angleton as well.

[CTS]

I don't know how many moved before or since this staff arrived but I talked to Coach Jax this morning and as of today there are 156 in the football program 8th through 11th. I got the exact number because they happen to be doing physicals today.

[JacketSwarm]

None of those former 4a's had been performing at the consistant level that LM has been(I dont think S'ville will drop, so they're a moot point).
Also, don't know about Longview, but John Tyler started 17 sophomores and juniors this year. This year was an overacheivment. Next year won't be.

not a moot point any more e.t.b ass. we are here along with La Marque and both teams will be in then final 4. i believe that Stephinville and LM will be your d1 and d2 champs.

miss me?

fire away.

[toddg]

it has started..its getting real..its finally here..PURPLE WILL REIGN SUPREME!

[cowboyandchrist]

not a moot point any more e.t.b ass. we are here along with La Marque and both teams will be in then final 4. i believe that Stephinville and LM will be your d1 and d2 champs.

miss me?

fire away.
I could be wrong, but East Texas may cause you have a few night mares by the end of the season. I don't know if Carthage will win it this year, but they will be in the hunt.

[garciap77]

This is a long thread and I'm sure that it's already been mentioned, (didn't read every post) but 3A currently has quite a few former 4A's that haven't exactly dominated anything. You could argue that having played 4A competition will better prepare them for the best in 3A...but you could also argue that the best in 3A aren't that much different than the top 4A's. Keep in mind that former 4A's have dropped for a reason....that being they no longer have 4A numbers to draw players from. Every team (except Abilene Wylie) in 5-3A is a former 4A btw..;):evillol:

[garciap77]

not a moot point any more e.t.b ass. we are here along with La Marque and both teams will be in then final 4. i believe that Stephinville and LM will be your d1 and d2 champs.

miss me?

fire away.

:sleeping: