Your Final 2011 3A Top Ten Ranking

[Bullaholic]

What is your final 2011 3A Top 10 Ranking?

Here's mine:

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. Argyle
5. Henderson
6. West Columbia
7. Monahans
8. Coldspring
9. Carthage
10.Gilmer

Others to consider: Celina, Seminole, Navasota, La Vernia, Shallowater, WOS, Devine, Brownwood

Go ahead and tell me why I'm crazy.....:D

[Pendragon13]

I can go with that top 10, but not quite sold on ranking Monahans above Gilmer and Carthage though. Also, everyone forgets that Wylie beat Brownwood pretty handily....at their house. ;)

[Bullaholic]

I can go with that top 10, but not quite sold on ranking Monahans above Gilmer and Carthage though. Also, everyone forgets that Wylie beat Brownwood pretty handily....at their house. ;)

Yea, that was a tough call and I put Monahans up there because they did make it to the Quarters. I'm hoping our resident media types, G2, TxB, and Matt will give me their thoughts since they probably saw more of these teams than anybody.

[Tin Cup]

1. Chap Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. West Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Coldspring
7. Gilmer
8. Waco La Vega
9. Carthage
10. Prosper
11. Henderson
12. Monahans

[MGAR]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. Argyle
5. Gilmer
6. Henderson
7. Coldspring-Oakhurst
8. Navasota
9. La Vega
10. Celina

[Bullaholic]

I did think about La Vega, also, since they were unlucky enough to catch Chapel Hill in Rd 1. Good lists, too, men....

[MGAR]

I did think about La Vega, also, since they were unlucky enough to catch Chapel Hill in Rd 1. Good lists, too, men....

Chapel Hill played Jasper in round 1. La Vega was 2nd round.

[poisoned10]

What is your final 2011 3A Top 10 Ranking?

Here's mine:

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. Argyle
5. Henderson
6. West Columbia
7. Monahans
8. Coldspring
9. Carthage
10.Gilmer

Others to consider: Celina, Seminole, Navasota, La Vernia, Shallowater, WOS, Devine, Brownwood

Go ahead and tell me why I'm crazy.....:D

So you believe that Henderson and Carthage, two teams that Gilmer beat, is better than Gilmer? Or is this solely based on playoffs?

[Saggy Aggie]

Really mgar???

No WC???

[Saggy Aggie]

1. Chap Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. West Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Coldspring
7. Gilmer
8. Waco La Vega
9. Carthage
10. Prosper
11. Henderson
12. Monahans looks about right, although I'd have navasota in there somewhere

[Bullaholic]

Chapel Hill played Jasper in round 1. La Vega was 2nd round. Thanks MGAR--I relied on memory too much...

[Bullaholic]

So you believe that Henderson and Carthage, two teams that Gilmer beat, is better than Gilmer? Or is this solely based on playoffs?

Yep--I used the playoffs as my guide, but I had several other rankings similar to some of these, but I knew that there would be lots of lively discussion since rankings are so speculative---and frankly, fun to kick around on a forum. Glad everybody is jumping in giving their $.02 to kind of put the wraps on the 2011 football season. BTW--no way I can disagree with your reasoning---just another way of looking at things. Fun to see who agrees or disagrees with the methods, and why.

[Txbroadcaster]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberely
3. West Columbia
4. Alvarado
5 Argyle
6. Gilmer
7 Navasota
8 Carthage
9 Coldspring
10 henderson

[HEMOTOXIC]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. W Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Navasota
7. La Vega
8. Gilmer
9. Cathage
10. Coldspring

[Bullaholic]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberely
3. West Columbia
4. Alvarado
5 Argyle
6. Gilmer
7 Navasota
8 Carthage
9 Coldspring
10 henderson

Interesting, WC at No.3 ---yet another slant. Thanks, TxB---I know you saw many of these play.

[Dogs_21]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberely
3. West Columbia
4. Alvarado
5 Argyle
6. Gilmer
7 Navasota
8 Carthage
9 Coldspring
10 henderson

+1:thumbsup:

[Txbroadcaster]

Interesting, WC at No.3 ---yet another slant. Thanks, TxB---I know you saw many of these play.


I saw at least film on every one...saw 8 live

alvarado and WC are basicaly 3A and 3B for me, but I was not going to wuss out and have co-3

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Really mgar???

No WC???WC let a game slip away against CH otherwise they would had been either 1 or 2 in final rankings. WC had a championship team.

[Roughneck93]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Argyle
4. Columbia
5. Alvarado
6. Coldspring
7. Gilmer
8. Navasota
9. Carthage
10. LaVega
11. Henderson

[Necked]

WC let a game slip away against CH ....

The fact that CH had a championship team too had a little something to do with that as well... :)
Columbia's defense was very good this year, I hope they can rebuild it next year...

[Pendragon13]

Yea, that was a tough call and I put Monahans up there because they did make it to the Quarters. I'm hoping our resident media types, G2, TxB, and Matt will give me their thoughts since they probably saw more of these teams than anybody.Not taking anything away from the good team Monahans had, but sometimes good teams make an early exit simply because of who they faced. As in...everyone who had to meet CH, Alvarado or Wimberly in the early rounds. ;)

In any case, personal rankings are based on opinion..and one is no better than the other.

[Bullaholic]

Not taking anything away from the good team Monahans had, but sometimes good teams make an early exit simply because of who they faced. As in...everyone who had to meet CH, Alvarado or Wimberly in the early rounds. ;)

In any case, personal rankings are based on opinion..and one is no better than the other.

Very true---the only completely true and accurate ranking would be the results after every team plays every other team. Not possible, so the best we can do is have some fun speculating. You bring home a very good point, Pendragon---when people make a ranking, they do not intend to disrespect any team---it is their OPINION, hopefully based on some facts, and not worth any more than any one else's. I wish more folks would consider this and make a ranking, but many don't because they just don't want to catch any grief.

[toddg]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Gilmer
7. Coldspring
8. Navasota
9. Seminole
10. Henderson

[DeuceDeuce]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberly
3. Argyle
4. Alvarado
5. Columbia
6. Gilmer
7. Coldspring
8. Prosper
9. Henderson
10. Navasota

[YTBulldogs]

1. Wimberley
2. CH
3. Columbia
4. Argyle
5. Alvarado
6. Gilmer
7. Coldspring
8. Navasota
9. Henderson
10. Devine

[Saggy Aggie]

alvarado and WC are basicaly 3A and 3B for me


WC let a game slip away against CH otherwise they would had been either 1 or 2 in final rankings. WC had a championship team.


Interesting, WC at No.3 ---yet another slant. Thanks, TxB---I know you saw many of these play.


Bull, I think West Columbia belongs no lower than #5 in the final poll, arguably 3 or 4.

They let one get away against an outstanding Chill team in the semi's.... but like SFIA said, they had a championship caliber team. As good as Chill, Alvarado, & Wimberley and any one of those 4 could've won it all IMO.


Also not getting a lot of love on here because they lost in round 2.... but LaVega had a hell of a team also. Chill ran thru a gauntlet to win state. As hard of a road as I've ever seen in 3A.

[Buckeye1980]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Argyle
4. Gilmer
5. Alvarado
6. Columbia
7. Carthage
8. Navasota
9. Seminole
10. Henderson

[HSFB]

What is your final 2011 3A Top 10 Ranking?

Here's mine:

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. Argyle
5. Henderson
6. West Columbia
7. Monahans
8. Coldspring
9. Carthage
10.Gilmer

Others to consider: Celina, Seminole, Navasota, La Vernia, Shallowater, WOS, Devine, Brownwood

Go ahead and tell me why I'm crazy.....:D

I'm certainly looking through homer glasses but, in my opinion, Wimberley is #1. Oustanding skill position players, Defense, solid in the trenches, Defense, unbelieveable Sr. Leadership, Defense, Coaching Schemes, Defense and a will-to-win that this group has shown at every level.

[Txbroadcaster]

I'm certainly looking through homer glasses but, in my opinion, Wimberley is #1. Oustanding skill position players, Defense, solid in the trenches, Defense, unbelieveable Sr. Leadership, Defense, Coaching Schemes, Defense and a will-to-win that this group has shown at every level.

I cant put anyone ahead of CH because of the injuries they faced and still went unbeaten

[lbjacj]

1.Wimberley
2.Chapel Hill
3.Argyle
4.Alvarado
5. West Columbia
6. Gilmer
7. Coldspring
8. Navasota
9. Gonzales
10. Devine

[OldBison75]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Columbia
4. Gilmer
5. Alvarado
6. Navasota
7. Argyle
8. Carthage
9. Seminole
10. Henderson

[navscanmaster]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. West Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Gilmer
7. Navasota
8. Henderson
9. Carthage
10. La Vega

[yellaseeker]

1. Wimberley
2. CH
3. Columbia
4. Alvarado
5. Argyle
6. Gilmer
7. Navasota
8. Coldspring
9. Devine
10. Henderson

There, fixed it.

[83Indian]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. West Columbia
4. Wimberly
5. Argyle
6. Gilmer
7. ColdSpring
8. La Vega
9. Carthage
10. Navasota

Chapel Hill, Alvarado, West Columbia virtually even teams.

Hard to rank Wimberly 4 but the triple overtime first round against Taylor is hard to overlook

I give Alvarado the edge over West Columbia using common opponent Chapel Hill based on stats, turnovers, etc.. but again not much difference here.

Alvarado had more yards rushing and passing than Chapel Hill while running 18 fewer plays.
Alvarado committed 3 turnovers to Chapel Hills 0. All on the last three possessions. 2 on our own end inside the 30 yard line. Held Chapel hill to no points on those turnovers. Last Turnover on Chapel Hills 15 yard line with less than 2 mins. Forced a punt with 12 seconds on 10 yard line. Would have bee nice to get a snap over the punters head there at the end.
So ask yourself how close the Chapel games would have been had they committed no turnovers against those teams they played in the playoffs.
The difference between Alvarado and Chapel Hill...1 extra point.

Chapel Hill gained 357 yards against West Columbia and only 308 against Alvarado
Alvarado gained 336 yards against Chapel Hill and West Columbia gained 303
Very little difference here

Stat sources:
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/state-football/boxscores/2011-12_Alvarado_TylerChapelHill.pdf

http://www.maxpreps.com/contests/fnM8kTdY7EW2Px1vc047Hg/football-fall-11/boxscore-chapel-hill-tyler-vs-columbia-west-columbia.htm#home_stats

[HSFB]

1. Wimberley
2. Argyle
3. ColdSpring
4. Bellville
5. Chapel Hill
6. Navasota
7. West Columbia
8. Gilmer
9. Alvarado
10. West Orange-Stark

[Pudlugger]

:iagree:
1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. W Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Navasota
7. La Vega
8. Gilmer
9. Cathage
10. Coldspring

+1

[OldNavy]

I cant put anyone ahead of CH because of the injuries they faced and still went unbeaten

I don't know that I would disagree with you. I think I read at one point during the season they had 8 starters out of the line-up with injuries. However, Massey looks at the performance per game for the year, giving a little extra weight to the most recent games over the earlier games. Here is the top 25 that Massey has ranked based on the year's performance. West Columbia folks might not like it much because of how close they were to beating Chapel Hill, but before that game their best win was against # 50 Lavernia, who finished the season with a respectable 7 wins and 6 losses. So by the numbers, a close loss against a top team, while moving up in the standings did not propell the team into the top ten.

Massey top 25 after the final season's results were input:

Rank in 3A, Rank in state out of 1157 Texas High Schools tracked in all classifications.
1. Alvarado, 8
2. Wimberley, 11
3. Chapel Hill, 14
4. Gilmer, 19
5. Argyle, 21
6. Henderson, 27
7. Coldspring, 30
8. Celina, 44
9. Carthage, 54
10. Seminole, 68
11. La Vega, 70
12. Prosper, 71
13. Navasota, 82
14. Snyder, 83
15. Lindale, 89
16. Monahans, 101
17. Columbia, 103
18. Gonzales, 109
19. Bellville, 110
20. Van, 143
21. Sealy, 151
22. Devine, 159
23. Shallowater, 164
24. Lubbock Cooper, 173
25, Sanger, 178

[Saggy Aggie]

I don't know that I would disagree with you. I think I read at one point during the season they had 8 starters out of the line-up with injuries. However, Massey looks at the performance per game for the year, giving a little extra weight to the most recent games over the earlier games. Here is the top 25 that Massey has ranked based on the year's performance. West Columbia folks might not like it much because of how close they were to beating Chapel Hill, but before that game their best win was against # 50 Lavernia, who finished the season with a respectable 7 wins and 6 losses. So by the numbers, a close loss against a top team, while moving up in the standings did not propell the team into the top ten.

Massey top 25 after the final season's results were input:

Rank in 3A, Rank in state out of 1157 Texas High Schools tracked in all classifications.
1. Alvarado, 8
2. Wimberley, 11
3. Chapel Hill, 14
4. Gilmer, 19
5. Argyle, 21
6. Henderson, 27
7. Coldspring, 30
8. Celina, 44
9. Carthage, 54
10. Seminole, 68
11. La Vega, 70
12. Prosper, 71
13. Navasota, 82
14. Snyder, 83
15. Lindale, 89
16. Monahans, 101
17. Columbia, 103
18. Gonzales, 109
19. Bellville, 110
20. Van, 143
21. Sealy, 151
22. Devine, 159
23. Shallowater, 164
24. Lubbock Cooper, 173
25, Sanger, 178 the fact that Alvarado is ahead of chapel hill discredits this IMO.

That said, anyone who watched west Columbia play knows they would've beaten every team on that list outside the top 5 by at least 2 tds with the exception of 2-3 teams.

[wimbo_pro]

We would have beaten Chapel Hill as well. But alas...we shall never know for sure.

1. Wimberley
2. Chapel Hill
3. Alvarado
4. Argyle
5. Coldspring
6. Gilmer
7 Navasota
8 Carthage
9 West Columbia
10 henderson

[waterboy]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Wimberley
3. Alvarado
4. West Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Coldspring
7. Gilmer
8. Navasota
9. Carthage
10. Henderson

I think this is the way I would rank them, BUT on any given night if these teams played each other there might be a different winner each time. There's a lot of IFs in high school football, but what matters is who wins head-to-head no matter how well or how poorly a team plays on that given night.

[OldNavy]

the fact that Alvarado is ahead of chapel hill discredits this IMO.

That said, anyone who watched west Columbia play knows they would've beaten every team on that list outside the top 5 by at least 2 tds with the exception of 2-3 teams.

SA, if you can show the math is faulty, then this ranking would not have credability, but going into the SC game, Massey was saying the probability was Alvarado would beat Chapel Hill 6 out of 10 times. The fact that the first game played was won by Chapel Hill by one point does not discredit that probability. Have you ever known of a baseball team that you felt sure would win a 3 game series, but didn't win in a single game playoff? This ranking is based on actual results, regardless of the reasons for those results. Are you telling me that based on that game, there is no way Alvarado could ever beat Chapel Hill?

As for Columbia, anyone who saw them, never saw them play a team ranked higher than #50. Good margins of victory against significantly weaker teams will not move you up the ranking ladder. The program doesn't know that Chapel Hill scored on the last play of the game to win. The program does what it does with out bias or subjectivity. Columbia may have, in fact, been one of the top two or three teams in the state, but what it accomplished, against inferior competion did not raise it above teams who beat top 20 or even top 10 teams. Massey is obviously not perfect, but it is really good.

[Saggy Aggie]

Right, I'm not saying Alvarado would never win, because they certainly could have. The fact is, they didn't in their matchup. So why Alvarado is still ahead of them, idk.

WC didn't have a terrible schedule, but beat 4 4A schools and and two teams that made the 3rd round of the playoffs by very lopsided scores even after Columbia called the dogs off early.

They coasted all year long and when they played a great team... They had them on the ropes until the last seconds. I'm not saying the model is completely wrong but if chill is #3 and WC is #17, that's comical.

[HEMOTOXIC]

Right, I'm not saying Alvarado would never win, because they certainly could have. The fact is, they didn't in their matchup. So why Alvarado is still ahead of them, idk.

WC didn't have a terrible schedule, but beat 4 4A schools and and two teams that made the 3rd round of the playoffs by very lopsided scores even after Columbia called the dogs off early.

They coasted all year long and when they played a great team... They had them on the ropes until the last seconds. I'm not saying the model is completely wrong but if chill is #3 and WC is #17, that's comical.

I agree with you 100%.

[83Indian]

I don't know that I would disagree with you. I think I read at one point during the season they had 8 starters out of the line-up with injuries. However, Massey looks at the performance per game for the year, giving a little extra weight to the most recent games over the earlier games. Here is the top 25 that Massey has ranked based on the year's performance. West Columbia folks might not like it much because of how close they were to beating Chapel Hill, but before that game their best win was against # 50 Lavernia, who finished the season with a respectable 7 wins and 6 losses. So by the numbers, a close loss against a top team, while moving up in the standings did not propell the team into the top ten.

Massey top 25 after the final season's results were input:

Rank in 3A, Rank in state out of 1157 Texas High Schools tracked in all classifications.
1. Alvarado, 8
2. Wimberley, 11
3. Chapel Hill, 14
4. Gilmer, 19
5. Argyle, 21
6. Henderson, 27
7. Coldspring, 30
8. Celina, 44
9. Carthage, 54
10. Seminole, 68
11. La Vega, 70
12. Prosper, 71
13. Navasota, 82
14. Snyder, 83
15. Lindale, 89
16. Monahans, 101
17. Columbia, 103
18. Gonzales, 109
19. Bellville, 110
20. Van, 143
21. Sealy, 151
22. Devine, 159
23. Shallowater, 164
24. Lubbock Cooper, 173
25, Sanger, 178

Columbia has to be top 5. Would love to see how the formula handles losing to the #1 ranked team by 5 points with 8 seconds left. Henderson ahead of Carthage is questionable. Argyle beat Gilmer by more than 7 points but Gilmer ahead of Argyle? Maybe that loss to Prosper effects it. I understand the Alvarado ranking with strength of schedule and point differential all year. Beat everyone by at least 21 points except 1st game of Season against Robinson (won by 15). Virtual tie with Chapel Hill (extra point misses).

I wonder if Massey factors in the AP rankings? That would at least add some more human intuition vs. a pure math model.

[rb585]

I cant put anyone ahead of CH because of the injuries they faced and still went unbeaten

Yeah, it's good thing Brennan Blakemore, Dennis Smith, and Nick Alana didn't miss any games or Wimberley would have lost a game or two... :crazy:


1. Wimberley
2. Taylor
3. Chapel Hill
4. Alvarado
5. West Columbia
6. Argyle
7. Gilmer
8. ColdSpring
9. La Vega
10. Navasota

[rb585]

OK, I'm through trolling, and I'm serious now...

I seriously can't believe some people don't have Coldspring ranked in their top 10. That's pretty much unfathomable.

[Gone Fishing]

OK, I'm through trolling, and I'm serious now...

I seriously can't believe some people don't have Coldspring ranked in their top 10. That's pretty much unfathomable.

Agree. I would have them 2,3 or 4 depending on where I would put Wimberley. (1 or 2)

[toddg]

Columbia has to be top 5. Would love to see how the formula handles losing to the #1 ranked team by 5 points with 8 seconds left. Henderson ahead of Carthage is questionable. Argyle beat Gilmer by more than 7 points but Gilmer ahead of Argyle? Maybe that loss to Prosper effects it. I understand the Alvarado ranking with strength of schedule and point differential all year. Beat everyone by at least 21 points except 1st game of Season against Robinson (won by 15). Virtual tie with Chapel Hill (extra point misses).

I wonder if Massey factors in the AP rankings? That would at least add some more human intuition vs. a pure math model.

though carthage beat henderson, carthage was still 9-4 and lost 3rd rd playoff game..i guess that was a factor..

[WildTexan972]

I don't know that I would disagree with you. I think I read at one point during the season they had 8 starters out of the line-up with injuries. However, Massey looks at the performance per game for the year, giving a little extra weight to the most recent games over the earlier games. Here is the top 25 that Massey has ranked based on the year's performance. West Columbia folks might not like it much because of how close they were to beating Chapel Hill, but before that game their best win was against # 50 Lavernia, who finished the season with a respectable 7 wins and 6 losses. So by the numbers, a close loss against a top team, while moving up in the standings did not propell the team into the top ten.

Massey top 25 after the final season's results were input:

Rank in 3A, Rank in state out of 1157 Texas High Schools tracked in all classifications.
1. Alvarado, 8
2. Wimberley, 11
3. Chapel Hill, 14
4. Gilmer, 19
5. Argyle, 21
6. Henderson, 27
7. Coldspring, 30
8. Celina, 44
9. Carthage, 54
10. Seminole, 68
11. La Vega, 70
12. Prosper, 71
13. Navasota, 82
14. Snyder, 83
15. Lindale, 89
16. Monahans, 101
17. Columbia, 103
18. Gonzales, 109
19. Bellville, 110
20. Van, 143
21. Sealy, 151
22. Devine, 159
23. Shallowater, 164
24. Lubbock Cooper, 173
25, Sanger, 178

now this pretty much proves the Massey system to be a fraud....there is easily 20 5A programs that would pretty steady beat Alvarado, and at least 7-8 4As and 1 3A we know of.....so none of his rankings are worth Bobcat1 poo with that obvious screwup....

[83Indian]

now this pretty much proves the Massey system to be a fraud....there is easily 20 5A programs that would pretty steady beat Alvarado, and at least 7-8 4As and 1 3A we know of.....so none of his rankings are worth Bobcat1 poo with that obvious screwup....

Within the same classification, it's not bad for a statistical model but I agree that the overall including 4A and 5A is way off.

[83Indian]

though carthage beat henderson, carthage was still 9-4 and lost 3rd rd playoff game..i guess that was a factor..

Yea, probably splitting hairs. The early season loss to Lindale while Henderson beat them pretty bad probably factored. But losing by 1 point to Chapel Hill, 3 points to Gilmer (last second field goal), and 1 point to Argyle (missed PAT in triple OT - we know how this feels), and beating Henderson handily makes a good argument to be ahead of them.

[yellaseeker]

the fact that Alvarado is ahead of chapel hill discredits this IMO.

That said, anyone who watched west Columbia play knows they would've beaten every team on that list outside the top 5 by at least 2 tds with the exception of 2-3 teams.

No doubt. Wish we could have played some of those high ranked teams to prove the point that relying on who someone played and points scored and points allowed to create a computer aided ranking don't mean crap. A lot of people get hung up on this system like it is the gospel. Hell, weather men get about the same results from their predictions dont they. If you got what it takes, you'll make it to the end no matter what the schedule. That's like saying that no NFL teams that played one of the weaker schedules wins the super bowl or just the opposite, a team that won all their games in a strong schedule will prevail and win the big one every time. Call me a homer all you want and don't take just my word on it but, saggy is right and anyone that witnessed this teams play, columbia had what it takes to play with any teams that made it into the top rankings. Rankings will always be there for whoever sees a need to go all-in on someone elses predictions. As for me, I'd rather see how defenses and offenses match up between similar teams for the most part rather than who beat who by how many points. Wanna talk about stat's, well statistically, C. Hill had a damn good chance of losing at least one of the last four close games they played but guess what, they are our D1 champions and no one predicted them playing from behind in some of those games and on the verge of getting knocked out only to come back in the last few seconds to advance to the next round. I wonder if those guys really know how many emotional roller coasters they caused this year. LOL! I've said it before, we don't need any rankin or love. We like proving we belong there. Rankings don't mean $hit when your sitting at the house and Columbia made it further than their ranking suggested the past two years. Just my .02

[buckeyebob]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. Argyle
5. Gilmer
6. Henderson
7. Coldspring-Oakhurst
8. Navasota
9. La Vega
10. Celina

I must agree with MGAR

[OldNavy]

No doubt. Wish we could have played some of those high ranked teams to prove the point that relying on who someone played and points scored and points allowed to create a computer aided ranking don't mean crap. A lot of people get hung up on this system like it is the gospel. Hell, weather men get about the same results from their predictions dont they. If you got what it takes, you'll make it to the end no matter what the schedule. That's like saying that no NFL teams that played one of the weaker schedules wins the super bowl or just the opposite, a team that won all their games in a strong schedule will prevail and win the big one every time. Call me a homer all you want and don't take just my word on it but, saggy is right and anyone that witnessed this teams play, columbia had what it takes to play with any teams that made it into the top rankings. Rankings will always be there for whoever sees a need to go all-in on someone elses predictions. As for me, I'd rather see how defenses and offenses match up between similar teams for the most part rather than who beat who by how many points. Wanna talk about stat's, well statistically, C. Hill had a damn good chance of losing at least one of the last four close games they played but guess what, they are our D1 champions and no one predicted them playing from behind in some of those games and on the verge of getting knocked out only to come back in the last few seconds to advance to the next round. I wonder if those guys really know how many emotional roller coasters they caused this year. LOL! I've said it before, we don't need any rankin or love. We like proving we belong there. Rankings don't mean $hit when your sitting at the house and Columbia made it further than their ranking suggested the past two years. Just my .02

OK, it seems some disagree with a program that actually agrees with you. Statistics use facts, in this case points for, points against, and strength of schedule. Each team play ten other teams, each of which play ten games against some of the same teams and some different teams. There are thousands of data pointsthat go into makeing this program work. Early in the year there are not enough data points for a high degree of accuracy. But later in the year, there are thousands of data point considered for each team. The results of these data points is an offense an defense strength, and a team power rating. There are out of these components a performance ranking. All 1157 Texas high schools that were followed are ranked.

These rankings, strangely enough do not always yield that a higher ranked team will beat a lower ranked team. When Massey makes a prediction, and point spread with the High School Data, he recognizes that there is not enough information to do that with. However, his program does it. What it yields is a probability of success. In some cases that probability is very small in favor of one team or another.

Out of all the schools there is some probability that the lower ranked school will win, it may be very small in some cases, but in the top 10 or 15 schools, that probability is very narrow. In the case of Alvarado, based on the data points, Alvarado had a probabilty of winning almost 6 out of 10 times. To test that result, they would have to play 10 times. Just like fliping a coin, a 50% probability of heads or tails, a single flip will yield a single result. If it yielded heads, does that mean that if you flipped it 2,000 times that there would be more heads than tails? No, and in experiment afte experiment, the probability of that coin flip has shown to be 50%. So when these top teams play there is a good probability in a single game that either team will win.

Now, to say since one team beat another team by 1 point to even a TD that over a 10 game series, it would obviously win the majoriy of the games lacks some mathematical evidence. It is in the realm of opinion. I don't discount opinion, think people can know and prosses more data than this program. However, many people who express opinion are not using nearly as much data and form their opinion on very little evicence.

Massey does have another program that tries to predict winners and point spread. It does not use point spread. It actually looks at play by play. It breaks down each teams results on running plays against oposing teams run defense and passing success against pass defense and even looks at special teams I think. It then rates and develops a probability of success of a teams run offense against another's run D and etc.

It can now rate match ups. There is not that much information for High School football. It is used in College Football.

Anyway, there are some who come on and state certianties, when in actuallity, there are only probabilities. As poor as this program is at determaning the winner, (80% of the time through the playoffs, not perfect

[OldNavy]

it is not based on opinion and subjectivity. If it were a baseball hitter, it would be batting 800, and that would be a hall of famer. So I use Massey as a measure of effectiveness, if it says your team is a real good team, I pretty much beleive it is. If it says your team is average or below, I have no reason to not believe. If is says your team will beat my team by 3 points, I believe my team has a 45% of winning, even though the program says your team is better. If my team wins, it does not mean that my team would always beat yours. I believe that also.

The programs does not disagree with your assessment of teams ranks either, it only gives the results of how teams actually performed against all other teams, who played teams who played teams who played your team. As I have said before, it is a pretty good program.

[83Indian]

No doubt. Wish we could have played some of those high ranked teams to prove the point that relying on who someone played and points scored and points allowed to create a computer aided ranking don't mean crap. A lot of people get hung up on this system like it is the gospel. Hell, weather men get about the same results from their predictions dont they. If you got what it takes, you'll make it to the end no matter what the schedule. That's like saying that no NFL teams that played one of the weaker schedules wins the super bowl or just the opposite, a team that won all their games in a strong schedule will prevail and win the big one every time. Call me a homer all you want and don't take just my word on it but, saggy is right and anyone that witnessed this teams play, columbia had what it takes to play with any teams that made it into the top rankings. Rankings will always be there for whoever sees a need to go all-in on someone elses predictions. As for me, I'd rather see how defenses and offenses match up between similar teams for the most part rather than who beat who by how many points. Wanna talk about stat's, well statistically, C. Hill had a damn good chance of losing at least one of the last four close games they played but guess what, they are our D1 champions and no one predicted them playing from behind in some of those games and on the verge of getting knocked out only to come back in the last few seconds to advance to the next round. I wonder if those guys really know how many emotional roller coasters they caused this year. LOL! I've said it before, we don't need any rankin or love. We like proving we belong there. Rankings don't mean $hit when your sitting at the house and Columbia made it further than their ranking suggested the past two years. Just my .02

You play whats on your schedule. You took care of business up until you met the State D1 champs just like Alvarado. We were told the same thing about how weak region 1 is as was our schedule. I'll take Columbia and Alvarado any day against anyone in 3A. Holding chapel hill to 3 TD's is no small feat as well as giving up just over 300 total yards offense. Something tells me well be seeing these two teams next year making another run for it.

[ogg]

1. Wimberley
2. Argyle
3. ColdSpring
4. Bellville
5. Chapel Hill
6. Navasota
7. West Columbia
8. Gilmer
9. Alvarado
10. West Orange-Stark
Agree +1

[yellaseeker]

You play whats on your schedule. You took care of business up until you met the State D1 champs just like Alvarado. We were told the same thing about how weak region 1 is as was our schedule. I'll take Columbia and Alvarado any day against anyone in 3A. Holding chapel hill to 3 TD's is no small feat as well as giving up just over 300 total yards offense. Something tells me well be seeing these two teams next year making another run for it.

I feel the same way. I had both of us playing in the championship but battled with myself over predicting whether we would win or you guys. Looks like i was wrong twice cause i had alvarado winning the big one after we lost to chill. Not being able to get the passing game working efficiently enough to punish the secondary for cheatin in, is what ultimately killed us IMO. No sour grapes here though, that's football and those boys and coaches on the other side inspired me as much as ours did all year. It was a game i'll never forget. Gonna be a reloading year for us so I'll hold my predictions for now but, i guess you can always rely on the computer aided one until i get back to ya. LOL!

[wimbo_pro]

now this pretty much proves the Massey system to be a fraud....there is easily 20 5A programs that would pretty steady beat Alvarado, and at least 7-8 4As and 1 3A we know of.....so none of his rankings are worth Bobcat1 poo with that obvious screwup....

Massey's a fraud?? WHAT?? When they had a better than 85% prediction rate in the play offs? Are you kidding me? Name me ONE other entity that is as high as Massey's at the beginning of the season. Now...I will give you this...Massey's losses its steam going into a new year, because it doesnt take into account the many factors a new year might bring. But to call Massey's a fraud is a joke in itself!!!

P.S. We woulda beat the pants off of all those other teams this year...just wanted to point that out.

[Txbroadcaster]

Yeah, it's good thing Brennan Blakemore, Dennis Smith, and Nick Alana didn't miss any games or Wimberley would have lost a game or two... :crazy:


1. Wimberley
2. Taylor
3. Chapel Hill
4. Alvarado
5. West Columbia
6. Argyle
7. Gilmer
8. ColdSpring
9. La Vega
10. Navasota

u name 3 guys...at one point CH had 6 starters out and only played original 22 starters like 5 games or something.

[defense51]

1. Chapel Hill
2. Alvarado
3. Wimberley
4. West Columbia
5. Argyle
6. Gilmer
7. Navasota
8. Coldspring
9. La Vega
10. Carthage

[wimbo_pro]

u name 3 guys...at one point CH had 6 starters out and only played original 22 starters like 5 games or something.

Yeah...well...yet one more comment doubting Wimberley. No offense taken, but you can be assured that there are more than a few people here in the Hill Country that are confident we would have whooped both Alvarado AND Chapel Hill, if given the chance.

[toddg]

Yeah...well...yet one more comment doubting Wimberley. No offense taken, but you can be assured that there are more than a few people here in the Hill Country that are confident we would have whooped both Alvarado AND Chapel Hill, if given the chance.

Alas!, we will never know for sure...and that my friend, is not debatable. thus proving the paradox of the 2 division playoff system in all classifications.

[83Indian]

Yeah...well...yet one more comment doubting Wimberley. No offense taken, but you can be assured that there are more than a few people here in the Hill Country that are confident we would have whooped both Alvarado AND Chapel Hill, if given the chance.

I understand your point. I probably would be replying the same way had Alvarado won and still people doubting we were the best. Wimberley did all they could do and that was beat everyone on their schedule.

But since you brought up the "whooped" comment. I can guarantee you Wimberely would not whoop Alvarado or Chapel Hill. The facts don't lie. Alvarado pretty much dominated every team they played all the way up until Chapel Hill. And not to offend the Argyle folks, but Argyle lost earlier in the season to prosper pretty badly and Alvarado beat Prosper by 21. Now I know Argyle returned the favor in the playoffs and put it right back on Prosper. But short of getting to play each other, we can only look at how teams competed during the season. We sure didn't let a 3 - 7 team take us to double overtime in the playoffs.

But after watching Wimberley play, your defense is definitely one of the best in either division and you have the trophy. So its all homerism comments at this point.

Congrats again on your State Title.

[Manso/V8]

u name 3 guys...at one point CH had 6 starters out and only played original 22 starters like 5 games or something.

Just because a kid is a starter doesn't make him a better football player. Many, many times a back up comes in and does a better job, and allows/forces other "starters" to shine, or the team makes adjustments that actually improves play.

[Txbroadcaster]

Yeah...well...yet one more comment doubting Wimberley. No offense taken, but you can be assured that there are more than a few people here in the Hill Country that are confident we would have whooped both Alvarado AND Chapel Hill, if given the chance.

and I said wimberely would win state all thru the season.I just think CH was a little better

[HSFB]

I understand your point. I probably would be replying the same way had Alvarado won and still people doubting we were the best. Wimberley did all they could do and that was beat everyone on their schedule.

But since you brought up the "whooped" comment. I can guarantee you Wimberely would not whoop Alvarado or Chapel Hill. The facts don't lie. Alvarado pretty much dominated every team they played all the way up until Chapel Hill. And not to offend the Argyle folks, but Argyle lost earlier in the season to prosper pretty badly and Alvarado beat Prosper by 21. Now I know Argyle returned the favor in the playoffs and put it right back on Prosper. But short of getting to play each other, we can only look at how teams competed during the season. We sure didn't let a 3 - 7 team take us to double overtime in the playoffs.

But after watching Wimberley play, your defense is definitely one of the best in either division and you have the trophy. So its all homerism comments at this point.

Congrats again on your State Title.

Short of getting to play each other, we can only look at how tems competed during the season. Wimberley sure did not lose a game this season like Alvarado did so....

[Txbroadcaster]

Just because a kid is a starter doesn't make him a better football player. Many, many times a back up comes in and does a better job, and allows/forces other "starters" to shine, or the team makes adjustments that actually improves play.

yes very true..but the chances it to happen 5-8 times on one team in one year would be very unique...plus CH did not have alot of depth, your talking about a guy getting hurt now a starter from the other side of the ball having to play both ways

[HSFB]

u name 3 guys...at one point CH had 6 starters out and only played original 22 starters like 5 games or something.

yes, 3 guys were named but they are certainly significant contributors. The list that rb585 provided is also the shot list as there were others and their absence was felt when not in the lineup but we had guys step-up. Starters being out is a good argument but in 3A football, unless your top guys are missing time then W's can still be had especially in non-playoff games.

[HSFB]

Yeah, it's good thing Brennan Blakemore, Dennis Smith, and Nick Alana didn't miss any games or Wimberley would have lost a game or two... :crazy:


1. Wimberley
2. Taylor
3. Chapel Hill
4. Alvarado
5. West Columbia
6. Argyle
7. Gilmer
8. ColdSpring
9. La Vega
10. Navasota

Dang, I forgot about Taylor. Revised top 10 that factors in Taylor and teams having players with runny noses or missing games in general.

1. Wimberley
2. Coldspring Oak
3. Argyle
4. Bellville
5. Chapel Hill
6. Navasota
7. West Columbia
8. Gilmer
9. West Orange-Stark
10. Taylor

[wimbo_pro]

I understand your point. I probably would be replying the same way had Alvarado won and still people doubting we were the best. Wimberley did all they could do and that was beat everyone on their schedule.

But since you brought up the "whooped" comment. I can guarantee you Wimberely would not whoop Alvarado or Chapel Hill. The facts don't lie. Alvarado pretty much dominated every team they played all the way up until Chapel Hill. And not to offend the Argyle folks, but Argyle lost earlier in the season to prosper pretty badly and Alvarado beat Prosper by 21. Now I know Argyle returned the favor in the playoffs and put it right back on Prosper. But short of getting to play each other, we can only look at how teams competed during the season. We sure didn't let a 3 - 7 team take us to double overtime in the playoffs.

But after watching Wimberley play, your defense is definitely one of the best in either division and you have the trophy. So its all homerism comments at this point.

Congrats again on your State Title.

"Whooped" came across a littel strong, in retrospect. We did not "whoop" Argyle either. I guess it was the Texas bravado in me!

[wimbo_pro]

and I said wimberely would win state all thru the season.I just think CH was a little better

I know you did, to some degree. There were times when you had doubts...I am not sure if you ever picked us to lose in the play offs...did you?

[rb585]

u name 3 guys...at one point CH had 6 starters out and only played original 22 starters like 5 games or something.

I named 3 of our 4 best players. I could have also named Josh Gray, Davis Holliman, Chad Fonville, or I could have mentioned the fact that our QB played three and a half games with a cracked rib.

[YTBulldogs]

I named 3 of our 4 best players. I could have also named Josh Gray, Davis Holliman, Chad Fonville, or I could have mentioned the fact that our QB played three and a half games with a cracked rib.

And, a coach with a bad hip. Hope Coach Nelms get's a hip in his Christmas stocking? Hurt's me watching him walk.

[lbjacj]

And, a coach with a bad hip. Hope Coach Nelms get's a hip in his Christmas stocking? Hurt's me watching him walk.
I hope it's not true but someone told me that Nelms was retiring!

[Txbroadcaster]

And, a coach with a bad hip. Hope Coach Nelms get's a hip in his Christmas stocking? Hurt's me watching him walk.

And CH did not have their starting QB for 7 weeks..their starting RB for 4 weeks, their other RB for 3 weeks, their DL stud for 3 weeks..their best WR had to move to QB those 7 weeks

[Gone Fishing]

I hope it's not true but someone told me that Nelms was retiring!


I hope your someone is full of it!!

[Gone Fishing]

Just because a kid is a starter doesn't make him a better football player. Many, many times a back up comes in and does a better job, and allows/forces other "starters" to shine, or the team makes adjustments that actually improves play.

Manso, this is sooo true and I have said that and have seen it true with my own eyes.

[Txbroadcaster]

I know you did, to some degree. There were times when you had doubts...I am not sure if you ever picked us to lose in the play offs...did you?
no never picked them to lose..only time I was worried was after Taylor game, but all the Texan fans gave credit to the Ducks for playing a near perfect game

[wimbo_pro]

no never picked them to lose..only time I was worried was after Taylor game, but all the Texan fans gave credit to the Ducks for playing a near perfect game

Cool...maybe that was G2. But yes, Taylor did play a near perfect game, and we played less than our best (though we played well). I am sure they regret not going for 2 to win at the end of regulation.

[Txbroadcaster]

Cool...maybe that was G2. But yes, Taylor did play a near perfect game, and we played less than our best (though we played well). I am sure they regret not going for 2 to win at the end of regulation.

yea G went with Coldspring and Argyle( though he liked the Texans both games but felt he should stay with who he picked in pre season)

[Saggy Aggie]

Lol at some of you guys having a 3-7 team in your top 10. You guys are clueless

[HSFB]

Lol at some of you guys having a 3-7 team in your top 10. You guys are clueless

or could it be that some of us have a sense of humor??? eh, nevermind, I prefer clueless as I feel that I have earned that through the years :)

[toddg]

1.wimberley
2.wimberley jv
3.coldspring
4.taylor
5.argyle
6.sealy
7.bellville
8.fischer CL
9.wimberley fr.
10.chapel hill

for once i wandered lost in the shadows...i now have seen the light, my ignorance replaced with enlightment...i am whole, once again.

[Txbroadcaster]

1.wimberley
2.wimberley jv
3.coldspring
4.taylor
5.argyle
6.sealy
7.bellville
8.fischer CL
9.wimberley fr.
10.chapel hill

for once i wandered lost in the shadows...i now have seen the light, my ignorance replaced with enlightment...i am whole, once again.

come on..the freshman team is at least top 6 you homer

[toddg]

come on..the freshman team is at least top 6 you homer

they had to play a 6-man schedule for a few weeks due to injuries and mysterious illnesses and one (not confirmed) alien abduction.

[wimbo_pro]

Lol at some of you guys having a 3-7 team in your top 10. You guys are clueless

It's a joke, Saggie. BTW, apparently we werent "clueless" in our pick for winning it all.

[toddg]

It's a joke, Saggie. BTW, apparently we werent "clueless" in our pick for winning it all.

i have called parker bros. and they will ship 3000 "clue" games asap to hays county..therefore the fine people of "little bit of heaven" will no longer be clueless!

[lbjacj]

1.wimberley
2.wimberley jv
3.coldspring
4.taylor
5.argyle
6.sealy
7.bellville
8.fischer CL
9.wimberley fr.
10.chapel hill

for once i wandered lost in the shadows...i now have seen the light, my ignorance replaced with enlightment...i am whole, once again.

Love it!!!:clap:

[83Indian]

Short of getting to play each other, we can only look at how tems competed during the season. Wimberley sure did not lose a game this season like Alvarado did so....

And Wimberley sure would not "Whoop" Alvarado... That was the point

[Tejastrue]

Lol at some of you guys having a 3-7 team in your top 10. You guys are clueless

Not as much as you might think. Especially the way Taylor finished the year. It's a stretch yes, but they played like they belonged and I think it's more of a compliment to their team for just that. Then again it could be just to get a rise out of a bunch of you guys. Lol...

[Tejastrue]

i have called parker bros. and they will ship 3000 "clue" games asap to hays county..therefore the fine people of "little bit of heaven" will no longer be clueless!


But we know how it ended. Chapel Hill, with a Trophy, in the JerryWorld.

[toddg]

But we know how it ended. Chapel Hill, with a Trophy, in the JerryWorld.

apparantly the jist of my jovial comment was misunderstood...:dispntd:

[defense51]

That's the first time I've seen jovial used in a comment on 3ADL.

[Tejastrue]

That's the first time I've seen jovial used in a comment on 3ADL.


And probably the last...:wave:

[Tejastrue]

apparantly the jist of my jovial comment was misunderstood...:dispntd:


Too many mind.....:thinking:

[defense51]

Tejastrue, did your mother really have you tested for crazy?

[toddg]

Too many mind.....:thinking:

It was actually a poke at the poster, who implied that some wimberley posters were "clueless" in reference to their top 10 selections..:smoker:

[Tejastrue]

Tejastrue, did your mother really have you tested for crazy?


Absolutely. I have the documentation to prove it. lol.. How clear is your conscience?

[Tejastrue]

It was actually a poke at the poster, who implied that some wimberley posters were "clueless" in reference to their top 10 selections..:smoker:

My mistake, I simply thought you were following his lead. I will say that some of us Wimberley folk have been known to :smoker:. Haven't you heard? There are a lot of liberals down this way. lol....

[defense51]

Absolutely. I have the documentation to prove it. lol.. How clear is your conscience? If my conscience was an eye, it would have cataracts...

[Tejastrue]

If my conscience was an eye, it would have cataracts...


:clap::clap::clap: Now that's funny.

[Manso/V8]

apparantly the jist of my jovial comment was misunderstood...:dispntd:

uh, not to be picky but the word is "gist", but you get style points for combining gist with a j with jovial.

[toddg]

uh, not to be picky but the word is "gist", but you get style points for combining gist with a j with jovial.


:Di appreciate the style points....but, did you get the "gist" of my jovial comment?

[cowboyandchrist]

So you believe that Henderson and Carthage, two teams that Gilmer beat, is better than Gilmer? Or is this solely based on playoffs?
If Carthage gets by Argyle, they beat Gilmer like a step child and you know it. Argyle hung 40 on Gilmer and took two over times to get by the Dawgs. It is all good, the Dawgs will roll in 2011. They have 17 starters coming back. Why do you think Coach S is staying. This team could be as good as 08 and 2010. OH don't forget Kilgore, if they drop they could be in the picture. They weny what four rounds deep in 4a.

[wimbo_pro]

If Carthage gets by Argyle, they beat Gilmer like a step child and you know it. Argyle hung 40 on Gilmer and took two over times to get by the Dawgs. It is all good, the Dawgs will roll in 2011. They have 17 starters coming back. Why do you think Coach S is staying. This team could be as good as 08 and 2010. OH don't forget Kilgore, if they drop they could be in the picture. They weny what four rounds deep in 4a.

SEVENTEEN???? wow. We are losing that many starters!!! (or there abouts...)

[Gone Fishing]

Well I think Taylor was a much better team than their record if you just do the history on their season. I think region 4 was way better than usual once you got a couple games into playoffs. I think Coldspring was damn good, very damn good. ( no disrespect to Argyle) I think if our offense wouldnt have sputtered (IF your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle) we could have beaten Argle easier. Our D was amazing and kept us in the semi game and SC game or we would have been toast in both. Therefore my final picks and Texan Defense wins MVP!

Wimberley
Coldspring
Chapel Hill
Argle
You can mix the other 10 anyway you want for the next 6
Taylor somewhere in the top 20. (I watched them that night and on film, they were finally healthy and freaking good)

[YTBulldogs]

I think if our offense wouldnt have sputtered, we could have beaten Argyle easier.



I think Argyle can be saying the same thing GF. Had Argyle scored a TD instead of fumbling out of the endzone from the 1 foot line. Or, the referee makes a questionable ruling of runner being down, when Argyle stripped the ball and recovered it deep in WT territory. And, if Aune was fully healthy. Argyle posters could be posting what you stated above.

I say it was a great game between two quality teams that left it all out on the field. And, I was honored to see these two fine schools get after it on the turf last Friday.

[83Indian]

I think Argyle can be saying the same thing GF. Had Argyle scored a TD instead of fumbling out of the endzone from the 1 foot line. Or, the referee makes a questionable ruling of runner being down, when Argyle stripped the ball and recovered it deep in WT territory. And, if Aune was fully healthy. Argyle posters could be posting what you stated above.

I say it was a great game between two quality teams that left it all out on the field. And, I was honored to see these two fine schools get after it on the turf last Friday.

I agree :thumbsup:

[83Indian]

If Carthage gets by Argyle, they beat Gilmer like a step child and you know it. Argyle hung 40 on Gilmer and took two over times to get by the Dawgs. It is all good, the Dawgs will roll in 2011. They have 17 starters coming back. Why do you think Coach S is staying. This team could be as good as 08 and 2010. OH don't forget Kilgore, if they drop they could be in the picture. They weny what four rounds deep in 4a.

Gotta give you credit cowboy, you love them Dawgs! We all love our teams but Gilmer beat you in the regular season with their best player out. You may or may not have beat them in a rematch but one thing is for sure, Carthage will be the real "Beast from the East" next year for sure. Do you think you guys will still be DII next year based on what you think might happen with re-alignment?

[regaleagle]

All you guys need to take off your rose-colored glasses for a second. If you think your team or another team DESERVES to be considered in the top 4 without earning a spot to be there, better take another look in the mirror. I don't care what may have happened, or what peramaters you use to make your case, the fact is that team didn't get there, end of story. Division I vs. Division II among the best teams in the state is not an issue, as I am sure that history bears this out. So go ahead and pat your back it makes you feel better, but teams that didn't make it to the state final this year, should not be put above the teams that did. I think the season rankings and the season playoff matches determined that already.

[catfish]

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas...The name of the game is perform when the game is on the line and overcome obstacles.That is what makes CHAMPIONS!!

[wimbo_pro]

All you guys need to take off your rose-colored glasses for a second. If you think your team or another team DESERVES to be considered in the top 4 without earning a spot to be there, better take another look in the mirror. I don't care what may have happened, or what peramaters you use to make your case, the fact is that team didn't get there, end of story. Division I vs. Division II among the best teams in the state is not an issue, as I am sure that history bears this out. So go ahead and pat your back it makes you feel better, but teams that didn't make it to the state final this year, should not be put above the teams that did. I think the season rankings and the season playoff matches determined that already.

Good point, Regal....BUT....you must look at who is graduating how many and who ISNT graduating many at all...that must be taken into account, not just what they did yesterday.

[Manso/V8]

Good point, Regal....BUT....you must look at who is graduating how many and who ISNT graduating many at all...that must be taken into account, not just what they did yesterday.

Wrong thread wimbo.........this is a discussion about the final top 10 ranking for 2011 not a pre-season 2012 ranking. It is all about what the teams did this year!

[regaleagle]

No Wimbo, this isn't the Top 10 for 2012 thread, this is the season ending Top 10 2011 thread. LOL.

[regaleagle]

You just beat me to it Manso. We both reallized what Wimbo was thinking.

[toddg]

Wrong thread wimbo.........this is a discussion about the final top 10 ranking for 2011 not a pre-season 2012 ranking. It is all about what the teams did this year!

you know..this past year "hay in the barn, is like money in the bank" was a true statement!

[regaleagle]

In more ways than one, in Texas anyway. I think a few schools out there have been gathering more hay for the barn for this upcoming season as well.:)

[Manso/V8]

you know..this past year "hay in the barn, is like money in the bank" was a true statement!

That statement comes straight from my grandpa. My cousins and I heard it many times back in the days when we put up all the hay in small square bales for his dairy and beef operation. It is good advice, but I think he kept telling us that at the time to keep us motivated and hauling/stacking hay.....barn hay lofts can get a bit warm in the summer! It was tough work, but some of my favorite memories. That advice came in handy this year. I bought a bunch last year when it was pretty cheap, and that has made this year a little easier for me than most.

[regaleagle]

How about working the whole summer in the South Texas heat at Reagan's Hay Farm in Goliad County? Running the balers, loading the hay on the trailers, stacking it in the huge metal barns to the top at about 130 degrees in there. Not to mention moving the irrigation pipes piece by piece starting at 5 am every morning with misquitoes all over you. All of this for $1.50 per hr. in the early 70's. My father's saying: "It'll keep you boys in shape for football." Well, he was right. Come August, we were in excellent shape. But it was grueling work in the Texas heat.

[wimbo_pro]

No Wimbo, this isn't the Top 10 for 2012 thread, this is the season ending Top 10 2011 thread. LOL.

Ok..gotcha. But you're still wrong anyways! LOL

[Gone Fishing]

I think Argyle can be saying the same thing GF. Had Argyle scored a TD instead of fumbling out of the endzone from the 1 foot line. Or, the referee makes a questionable ruling of runner being down, when Argyle stripped the ball and recovered it deep in WT territory. And, if Aune was fully healthy. Argyle posters could be posting what you stated above.

I say it was a great game between two quality teams that left it all out on the field. And, I was honored to see these two fine schools get after it on the turf last Friday.

Hey YT if you read post again I am saying "no disrespect to Argyle" meaning I was putting them below Coldspring but Both those teams and I mean both could have beat us if the stars were lined different for sure. I say Coldspring #2 JIMO but both defenses either shut our O down or Texan O sputtered or more likely a combination of both. Lets face it, Texans made two big O plays in CS game and pulled it out, Two big O plays in Argyle game and pulled it out. I do know the knee was down on the fumble (could see it easy on one replay) I just look at fumbles and INTs as part of games and dont like them as "ifs". But with all that said, I feel Texans D got it done by consistently forcing 3 and outs and forcing bad field position in both games. And major gang tackling! I just assumed Chapel hill #3 but really should have put them 4 and Argyle 3. But what the heck it really is Wimberley 1 and CH 2 or 2 and 1.

I too think it was a great game between two quality teams and frankly the whole play off run the Texans had was an honor to be at playing great teams and programs.

[defense51]

I think any of my top 5 teams could have won it all given a break hear or there. They were all quality teams with quality coaching staffs.

[83Indian]

I think any of my top 5 teams could have won it all given a break hear or there. They were all quality teams with quality coaching staffs.

I agree. Kinda makes you wonder if the D1 and D2 split makes any sense.

[wimbo_pro]

I agree. Kinda makes you wonder if the D1 and D2 split makes any sense.

Eliminate the bye week and have a final game!!!

[lbjacj]

Eliminate the bye week and have a final game!!!
My son and I were just discussing that very thing!
But instead of not having a bye, just make the last scrimmage the first game.

[YTBulldogs]

Ya'll are talking of extending the season (I agree), some schools I hear think we have too many games already.

[83Indian]

What about going with 4 teams from each district. Split the brackets with 2 largest and 2 smallest similar to what we have now. Merge the brackets at the semi-final level and then play for an undisputed state champion.

[cowboyandchrist]

Gotta give you credit cowboy, you love them Dawgs! We all love our teams but Gilmer beat you in the regular season with their best player out. You may or may not have beat them in a rematch but one thing is for sure, Carthage will be the real "Beast from the East" next year for sure. Do you think you guys will still be DII next year based on what you think might happen with re-alignment?
It all depends on how they line us up. It could be Henderson , Kilgore. Carthage, Tatum, Spring Hill, and Gilmer or Gladewater. Kilgore and Henderson are both larger.

[regaleagle]

Just make Week 0 Week 1 for everybody. Then you can still keep a bye week, and have a week open at the end for the Playoff of Champions.