A look into points for/against by region

[MGAR]

I only used the top three in each region. Enjoy!


Region 1
Points for leaders
Decatur- 40.75
Shallowater- 39.71
Seminole- 37.25

Points against leaders
Alvarado- 8.57
Lubbock Estacado- 8.85
Dalhart 10.7

Combined opponents record for these teams
Decatur, 20-37
Shallowater, 21-28
Seminole, 35-22
Alvarado, 26-24
Lubbock Estacado, 19-30
Dalhart, 16-35

Region 2
Points for leaders
Henderson- 48.14
Sanger- 47.14
Van 46.42

Points against leaders
Van- 12.14
Gladewater- 14.14
Henderson- 14.71

Combined opponents record for these teams
Henderson, 17-33
Sanger, 16-32
Van, 20-30
Gladewater, 23-27

Region 3
Points for leaders
Coldspring- 57.87
Chapel Hill- 47.25
Sealy- 38.5

Points against leaders
Coldspring- 5.5
Bellville- 6
Bridge City- 9.85

Combined opponents records for these teams
Coldspring, 19-37
Chapel Hill, 23-36
Sealy, 24-33
Bellville, 12-28
Bridge City, 22-29

Region 4
Points for leaders
Devine- 55.57
Ingleside- 53
Hondo- 44.14

Points against leaders
Gonzales- 5.71
West Columbia- 9.12
Hondo- 11

Combined opponents records for these teams
Devine, 18-32
Ingleside, 16-33
Hondo, 26-23
Gonzales, 19-33
West Columbia, 16-42

[Gsquared]

I like your figurin Mgar.

[SintonFan]

Has West Columbia played a team with a winning record?

Hey MGAR, can you do the same for each top ten?

[YTBulldogs]

Good stuff MGAR. If I counted correctly, there are 4 teams ranked in both offense and defense. Thanks.

[MGAR]

Has West Columbia played a team with a winning record?

Hey MGAR, can you do the same for each top ten?

Top 10 in each region or the AP top ten?

[Bull's-eye]

Bellville is averaging over 39 pts per game, should be 3rd in R3.

[gatordaze]

It would be interesting to see what the results are if you only count 1st half points. Some coaches RUTS and some call of the dogs and let the younger kids play which affect the final scores.

[MGAR]

Bellville is averaging over 39 pts per game, should be 3rd in R3.

Yea, I / them by 8 instead of 7.. My bads.

[Football DAD]

I only used the top three in each region. Enjoy!

Region 3
Points for leaders
Coldspring- 57.87
Chapel Hill- 47.25
Sealy- 38.5

Points against leaders
Coldspring- 5.5
Bellville- 6
Bridge City- 9.85

Combined opponents records for these teams
Coldspring, 19-37
Chapel Hill, 23-36
Sealy, 24-33
Bellville, 12-28
Bridge City, 22-29



Actually Bellville's points for should be 39.43. Seven games with scores of 63, 21, 21, 29, 52, 48, and 42. And the combined opponent record looks a little off too.

Thanks for your hard work in compiling this.

[MGAR]

I only used the top three in each region. Enjoy!


Region 1
Points for leaders
Decatur- 40.75
Shallowater- 39.71
Seminole- 37.25

Points against leaders
Alvarado- 8.57
Lubbock Estacado- 8.85
Dalhart 10.7

Combined opponents record for these teams
Decatur, 20-37
Shallowater, 21-28
Seminole, 35-22
Alvarado, 26-24
Lubbock Estacado, 19-30
Dalhart, 16-35

Region 2
Points for leaders
Henderson- 48.14
Sanger- 47.14
Van 46.42

Points against leaders
Van- 12.14
Gladewater- 14.14
Henderson- 14.71

Combined opponents record for these teams
Henderson, 17-33
Sanger, 16-32
Van, 20-30
Gladewater, 23-27

Region 3
Points for leaders
Coldspring- 57.87
Chapel Hill- 47.25
Bellville- 39.4

Points against leaders
Coldspring- 5.5
Bellville- 6
Bridge City- 9.85

Combined opponents records for these teams
Coldspring, 19-37
Chapel Hill, 23-36
Sealy, 24-33
Bellville, 12-28
Bridge City, 22-29

Region 4
Points for leaders
Devine- 55.57
Ingleside- 53
Hondo- 44.14

Points against leaders
Gonzales- 5.71
West Columbia- 9.12
Hondo- 11

Combined opponents records for these teams
Devine, 18-32
Ingleside, 16-33
Hondo, 26-23
Gonzales, 19-33
West Columbia, 16-42

Fixed it

[Roughneck93]

Has West Columbia played a team with a winning record?Hey MGAR, can you do the same for each top ten?Just one...Houston Kashmere.

[trojandad]

great job, mgar, another way to look at things.....

i was amazed wimberley was no where to be found....thats their "bend but dont break" style, i didnt believe wimbo when he first told me but it sure looks to be so....

our combined record looks bad, for sure, but two of those teams (shepherd and tarkington) are 0-14 between them....kirbyville is 1-6 (who woulda thunk?) as is splendora, making the remainder a pretty healthy 17-11.....

[Manso/V8]

MGAR - thanks for effort in putting that list together. Where do you go for the stats? The opponents' record can say a lot, but are there certainly some 2A and 4A teams in the mix which might shift the weight of the opponents record.

RUTS is tough to gauge. Most teams with a sizeable lead will pull their starters in about the middle of the 3rd quarter........my understanding is the idea is to keep them accustomed to coming out after half time and also playing at least close to a full game. Not doing that could bite you when you get in closer games, certainly in the playoffs. I have not found any site that is complete on quarter by quarter scoring. Chron.com has a good description for a lot of the Houston area team's games..........but no breakdown at all on some of the games. Also, it's difficult to tell the second teamers not to score, since they have been on the sidelines chomping at the bit to show what they can do. I have seen our coach let the second team offense drive down to the opponent's 2, take a delay of game penalty, and then take a knee to let the clock run out.....I think the gesture was appreciated by the opponents.

[trojandad]

MGAR - thanks for effort in putting that list together. Where do you go for the stats? The opponents' record can say a lot, but are there certainly some 2A and 4A teams in the mix which might shift the weight of the opponents record.

RUTS is tough to gauge. Most teams with a sizeable lead will pull their starters in about the middle of the 3rd quarter........my understanding is the idea is to keep them accustomed to coming out after half time and also playing at least close to a full game. Not doing that could bite you when you get in closer games, certainly in the playoffs. I have not found any site that is complete on quarter by quarter scoring. Chron.com has a good description for a lot of the Houston area team's games..........but no breakdown at all on some of the games. Also, it's difficult to tell the second teamers not to score, since they have been on the sidelines chomping at the bit to show what they can do. I have seen our coach let the second team offense drive down to the opponent's 2, take a delay of game penalty, and then take a knee to let the clock run out.....I think the gesture was appreciated by the opponents.

its true, in 4 of our 8 games barbay asked the opposing coach if they wanted to just let the clock run in the 2nd half through timeouts and out of bounds plays so as to end the game quicker, and they agreed to...just no way to show that in the box scores that i know of....

[Manso/V8]

its true, in 4 of our 8 games barbay asked the opposing coach if they wanted to just let the clock run in the 2nd half through timeouts and out of bounds plays so as to end the game quicker, and they agreed to...just no way to show that in the box scores that i know of....

I have wondered about the running clock. I assume they make that arrangement at half-time? We haven't been in any games (maybe Needville) where that was warranted.

[MGAR]

MGAR - thanks for effort in putting that list together. Where do you go for the stats? The opponents' record can say a lot, but are there certainly some 2A and 4A teams in the mix which might shift the weight of the opponents record.

RUTS is tough to gauge. Most teams with a sizeable lead will pull their starters in about the middle of the 3rd quarter........my understanding is the idea is to keep them accustomed to coming out after half time and also playing at least close to a full game. Not doing that could bite you when you get in closer games, certainly in the playoffs. I have not found any site that is complete on quarter by quarter scoring. Chron.com has a good description for a lot of the Houston area team's games..........but no breakdown at all on some of the games. Also, it's difficult to tell the second teamers not to score, since they have been on the sidelines chomping at the bit to show what they can do. I have seen our coach let the second team offense drive down to the opponent's 2, take a delay of game penalty, and then take a knee to let the clock run out.....I think the gesture was appreciated by the opponents.

That I agree with..

[trojandad]

I have wondered about the running clock. I assume they make that arrangement at half-time? We haven't been in any games (maybe Needville) where that was warranted.

yea, the refs have to hear it from both coaches before they allow it, im sure with some teams it is approved the week before, if you know what i mean...

weve been up on one school 53-0 at half, no need to prolong that, ESPECIALLY on their home field....the bad thing about that game was the final two tds were long drives where our def linemen took turns at running back, both long drives that culminated with one score by a def tackle, the other by our mlb....coach has found some creative ways to run the clock out while still keeping morale up on the team....and all the while gilbert was their biggest cheerleader...

[Dub-C]

I have wondered about the running clock. I assume they make that arrangement at half-time? We haven't been in any games (maybe Needville) where that was warranted.

Needville is bad, they are way down from last year. WC scored with 6-7 different players on them. Those boys have taken a beating this year for sure. Hopefully they will turn things around next year.

[COBRAFOOTBALL]

Alvarado averages 39.57 thats ahead of Shallowater. so put them number 2. and number one in points against. A point differential of 31.




I only used the top three in each region. Enjoy!


Region 1
Points for leaders
Decatur- 40.75
Shallowater- 39.71
Seminole- 37.25

Points against leaders
Alvarado- 8.57
Lubbock Estacado- 8.85
Dalhart 10.7

Combined opponents record for these teams
Decatur, 20-37
Shallowater, 21-28
Seminole, 35-22
Alvarado, 26-24
Lubbock Estacado, 19-30
Dalhart, 16-35

Region 2
Points for leaders
Henderson- 48.14
Sanger- 47.14
Van 46.42

Points against leaders
Van- 12.14
Gladewater- 14.14
Henderson- 14.71

Combined opponents record for these teams
Henderson, 17-33
Sanger, 16-32
Van, 20-30
Gladewater, 23-27

Region 3
Points for leaders
Coldspring- 57.87
Chapel Hill- 47.25
Sealy- 38.5

Points against leaders
Coldspring- 5.5
Bellville- 6
Bridge City- 9.85

Combined opponents records for these teams
Coldspring, 19-37
Chapel Hill, 23-36
Sealy, 24-33
Bellville, 12-28
Bridge City, 22-29

Region 4
Points for leaders
Devine- 55.57
Ingleside- 53
Hondo- 44.14

Points against leaders
Gonzales- 5.71
West Columbia- 9.12
Hondo- 11

Combined opponents records for these teams
Devine, 18-32
Ingleside, 16-33
Hondo, 26-23
Gonzales, 19-33
West Columbia, 16-42

[MGAR]

Alvarado averages 39.57 thats ahead of Shallowater. so put them number 2. and number one in points against. A point differential of 31.

Your right, Alvarado does average 39.57... BUT that just puts them ahead of Seminole, not SW..

[MGAR]

I only used the top three in each region. Enjoy!


Region 1
Points for leaders
Decatur- 40.75
Shallowater- 39.71
Alvarado- 39.57

Points against leaders
Alvarado- 8.57
Lubbock Estacado- 8.85
Dalhart 10.7

Combined opponents record for these teams
Decatur, 20-37
Shallowater, 21-28
Seminole, 35-22
Alvarado, 26-24
Lubbock Estacado, 19-30
Dalhart, 16-35

Region 2
Points for leaders
Henderson- 48.14
Sanger- 47.14
Van 46.42

Points against leaders
Van- 12.14
Gladewater- 14.14
Henderson- 14.71

Combined opponents record for these teams
Henderson, 17-33
Sanger, 16-32
Van, 20-30
Gladewater, 23-27

Region 3
Points for leaders
Coldspring- 57.87
Chapel Hill- 47.25
Sealy- 38.5

Points against leaders
Coldspring- 5.5
Bellville- 6
Bridge City- 9.85

Combined opponents records for these teams
Coldspring, 19-37
Chapel Hill, 23-36
Sealy, 24-33
Bellville, 12-28
Bridge City, 22-29

Region 4
Points for leaders
Devine- 55.57
Ingleside- 53
Hondo- 44.14

Points against leaders
Gonzales- 5.71
West Columbia- 9.12
Hondo- 11

Combined opponents records for these teams
Devine, 18-32
Ingleside, 16-33
Hondo, 26-23
Gonzales, 19-33
West Columbia, 16-42

Edit again... Wish there was a edit button.. Is there?

[Football DAD]

I think there is. I think I have edited a post before but couldn't tell you how to do it.

[snaxet]

great job, mgar, another way to look at things.....

i was amazed wimberley was no where to be found....thats their "bend but dont break" style, i didnt believe wimbo when he first told me but it sure looks to be so....

our combined record looks bad, for sure, but two of those teams (shepherd and tarkington) are 0-14 between them....kirbyville is 1-6 (who woulda thunk?) as is splendora, making the remainder a pretty healthy 17-11.....

Coach Nelms has never played to run the score up and early in the season plays a lot of different players on defense. The trend establishes a somewhat of a bend but don't break style of play, but it helps to develop depth as the season wears on. That was evident last year when we continued to lose players throughout the year. Even when we won state in 2005 we gave up a lot of points early in the season but when it came to playoff time our depth allowed us to really dominate all the way through the state game. Wimberley also plays a tougher schedule and that leads to fewer off points and more points scored by opposing team. When you look at Cuero (clearly down this year but a good team that will likely make the playoffs), Drippings Springs 4A (has played well this year and will likely make the playoffs, in fact they played Lake Travis about as well as anybody), Sealy (no question here tough team with a lot of potential), and LaVernia (who was down this year and probably not the caliber they have been in the past) you can see that strength of schedule would clearly play a role in why Wimberley is not at the top. Coach Nelms pretty much reigns it in once we get in the 40's, and you can look at Coach Nelms past records going back into the 90's and not find a lot of games where his teams scored in the 50's and 60's. There are times when that has occurred but it is just not his syle. Sometimes I wish he would continue to pour it on, but in the end we all know the objective is the W.

[trojandad]

Coach Nelms has never played to run the score up and early in the season plays a lot of different players on defense. The trend establishes a somewhat of a bend but don't break style of play, but it helps to develop depth as the season wears on. That was evident last year when we continued to lose players throughout the year. Even when we won state in 2005 we gave up a lot of points early in the season but when it came to playoff time our depth allowed us to really dominate all the way through the state game. Wimberley also plays a tougher schedule and that leads to fewer off points and more points scored by opposing team. When you look at Cuero (clearly down this year but a good team that will likely make the playoffs), Drippings Springs 4A (has played well this year and will likely make the playoffs, in fact they played Lake Travis about as well as anybody), Sealy (no question here tough team with a lot of potential), and LaVernia (who was down this year and probably not the caliber they have been in the past) you can see that strength of schedule would clearly play a role in why Wimberley is not at the top. Coach Nelms pretty much reigns it in once we get in the 40's, and you can look at Coach Nelms past records going back into the 90's and not find a lot of games where his teams scored in the 50's and 60's. There are times when that has occurred but it is just not his syle. Sometimes I wish he would continue to pour it on, but in the end we all know the objective is the W.

yea, but this group out here doesnt work well with the "this opponent is down this year" stuff....all ive heard is how were playing nobody....not our fault that alvarez went to ennis, or tullos went to huntsville, or we took a team that will go quite a distance in 2a this year and hung 60 on them.....if cuero and sealy and the rest are down, they want to know "why havent you played someone?".....i bet the players get tired of hearing that, for sure, like its not enough to hold teams in negative yardage, put 500 yards on them and have your defensive starters running the ball for 100 yards by the end of the game....

and talk about a coach not running up the score? i just wonder, sometimes, if barbay apologizes to gilbert for getting him to suit up only to run him 6 times in a game because if he runs him anymore itll look like hes running up the score?....these guys are playing a MUCH more selfless ball than i would have had the maturity to play at their age.....heck, if i was in a game and only threw 8 passes for 200 yds, my coach woulda played heck getting me out of that game...its become a common occurance nowadays with gilbert, and all the while reading headlines of guys outrushing him by 100 yrds when they got 25-35 carries and hes gotten less than 10......he must want that championship awfully bad....

[Saggy Aggie]

I have wondered about the running clock. I assume they make that arrangement at half-time? We haven't been in any games (maybe Needville) where that was warranted. west columbia's opponents have crappy records. Cant dispute that. Having said that though, LG has played one of the toughest schedules in the state and has only 1 win. 3 of the other teams Columbia has played are 4a schools but aren't that great (so not good records in 4a) and then needville in district who is 0-8 and Wharton who has 2 wins.

[SintonFan]

Top 10 in each region or the AP top ten?

By region, of course. :cool:

[trojandad]

west columbia's opponents have crappy records. Cant dispute that. Having said that though, LG has played one of the toughest schedules in the state and has only 1 win. 3 of the other teams Columbia has played are 4a schools but aren't that great (so not good records in 4a) and then needville in district who is 0-8 and Wharton who has 2 wins.

if we win these last two, this will be our first undefeated 10 win season ever....our teams of the 90's that did so well always played either lamarque or dickinson or some 4a school that would hang a loss on us, but this time the cards look like theyre lining up for us....

[Sportshack]

great job, mgar, another way to look at things.....

i was amazed wimberley was no where to be found....thats their "bend but dont break" style, i didnt believe wimbo when he first told me but it sure looks to be so....

our combined record looks bad, for sure, but two of those teams (shepherd and tarkington) are 0-14 between them....kirbyville is 1-6 (who woulda thunk?) as is splendora, making the remainder a pretty healthy 17-11.....

wimberley has scored 40 pts a game and given up 14 points a game. Gave up 26 to Dripping Springs. Young secondary got stung by very nice passing scheme of 4A school. Gave up 27 to Sealy (check their avg pts per game listed in original post). Defense is actually better than last year. Also played a couple of potent offenses in Sealy and Canyon Lake. IMO Wimberley is a very solid team but not necessarily dominating. However, a team would have to be very good to move the ball on them consistently and pass defense is making some strides.

[neck_06]

Columbia's opponents have crappy records because they spent the entire season prepping for the Roughnecks and overlooked their other games. Then after being donkey stomped by the Necks, they couldn't piece together their pride in time to compete the rest of the season.

[MGAR]

By region, of course. :cool:

Whewww.. That'd be a lot...

I'll work on it over the weekend and use this weeks results.

[SintonFan]

Whewww.. That'd be a lot...

I'll work on it over the weekend and use this weeks results.

Thanks. :clap: