Detroit Lions @ Dallas Cowboys

[Sweetwater Red]

It's going to be a long day for Romo and company if the Cowboys play like they did last night. Detroit is better than Washington in every facet of the game. Well except maybe safety. Laundry is a beast. But, Delmas is no slouch either.

[DavidWooderson]

I will pull for the Cowboys, because that's what I do. I will yell and cuss at the TV during the game, because that's what I do. But I think Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson will have a field day with Dallas' secondary.

[SintonFan]

Both teams will have the same record after this game.

[MGAR]

Detroit Dline will destroy the Cowboys Oline.

Don't think the Cowboys will have an answer defensively for Pettigrew and Johnson.

[Roughneck93]

Detroit Dline will destroy the Cowboys Oline. Don't think the Cowboys will have an answer defensively for Pettigrew and Johnson.Ndamukong Suh is scary. He will be hard to stop.

[Sweetwater Red]

Detroit Dline will destroy the Cowboys Oline.



I agree. They rotate eight on the DL that could probably start for most teams and that's not even counting Fairly who hasn't played yet this season. If Dallas' center is having trouble now; what's he going to do when he has Suh lined up on his outside shoulder?

[Sweetwater Red]

Both teams will have the same record after this game.

Nice input. Shouldn't you be solving a Soduku puzzle or something? :nerd:

[BullBoy]

Detroit wins by 14, Dallas is too banged up and that Dline for Detroit is tough.

[Emerson1]

Detroit wins by 14, Dallas is too banged up and that Dline for Detroit is tough.
Is Austin playing?

The defensive line can't cover in the secondary too.

[hollywood]

Stafford will put on a QB clinic that Romo can only dream about.

[BullBoy]

Is Austin playing?

The defensive line can't cover in the secondary too.

Austin is going to be out a few weeks with that hamstring injury but who knows, maybe he makes a miraculous recovery like Romo did.

:1popcorn:

[bobcat1]

Stafford will put on a QB clinic that Romo can only dream about. As long a Stafford doesn't get broken, as he usually does every season, Detroit will have a chance to win. Suh is a Great DT. Johnson is a awesome receiver. I still think Dallas finds a way to win. Rob Ryan will have the defense ready. Suh can be neutralized as well.

[LionFan72]

Gonna be another nail spitter I think. Be glad to see Stafford up close and personal again, haven't seen him since HS. Not the most durable QB in the pack, but healthy he will be a beast. Can the Cowboys score a touchdown is the real question, think they are going to need to put some points an the board for the win. I am a firm believer that defense wins championships, but the offense does have to score some points.

[pirate4state]

While I am on the Lions bandwagon this year; I won't be for this game! I think the Dallas D can & will be as or more disruptive as the Vikings D was against the Lions last week. I'm looking forward to a great game!! Hopefully both QBs will survive to play another game.

GO COWBOYS!

[Phil C]

You have to remember regarding Detroit is that the curse is now over. That increases the risk.

[eagles_victory]

Give me Romo over the brittle Matt Stafford anyday.

[eagles_victory]

It's going to be a long day for Romo and company if the Cowboys play like they did last night. Detroit is better than Washington in every facet of the game. Well except maybe safety. Laundry is a beast. But, Delmas is no slouch either. Be real dude the Redskins linebackers are way better than the Lions. The Lions running backs suck too. Secondary is average at best.

[SintonFan]

Nice input. Shouldn't you be solving a Soduku puzzle or something? :nerd:

A little hostile there, huh? Cowboys should take this game.:nerd:

[Sweetwater Red]

A little hostile there, huh? Cowboys should take this game.:nerd:

Nah, I was just replying to your Brownwood like post. :devil:

[Emerson1]

Be real dude the Redskins linebackers are way better than the Lions. The Lions running backs suck too. Secondary is average at best.

Their running back is the Best.

[Sweetwater Red]

Be real dude the Redskins linebackers are way better than the Lions. The Lions running backs suck too. Secondary is average at best.

I'll admit I was stretching it when I didn't mention their running game. Right now it's Best and nobody else. Sure wish Leshoure hadn't torn his ACL.

[Saggy Aggie]

Be real dude the Redskins linebackers are way better than the Lions. The Lions running backs suck too. Secondary is average at best. Hightower/best is a wash.


And I think Stafford > grossman more than makes up for any advantage the redskins lbs might have had on Detroit.

[SintonFan]

Nah, I was just replying to your Brownwood like post. :devil:

With a Snyder-like response?:dispntd:

[Sweetwater Red]

With a Snyder-like response?:dispntd:

touche

[eagles_victory]

Hightower/best is a wash.


And I think Stafford > grossman more than makes up for any advantage the redskins lbs might have had on Detroit. Ok what's your point? He said Washington was worse in every position but safety and I said linebackers. I never said Washington was better than Detroit.

[buff4ever]

This game will not be as close as the last 3

[ccmom]

This game just got a whole lot more exciting for this Cowboys fan. We just got free tickets!! Woohoo!!!

[waterboy]

Dang! The Cowboys have absolutely no chance in this one. At least that seems to be the consensus. I'm not a believer that Detroit will "mop the floor" with Dallas, at least not yet. I think Dallas has a good chance to win this one IF........they play better offensively than they did last week, and IF........they continue to play defense the way they have been, and IF.........they get a turnover, or two, or three.........

[buff4ever]

Dang! The Cowboys have absolutely no chance in this one. At least that seems to be the consensus. I'm not a believer that Detroit will "mop the floor" with Dallas, at least not yet. I think Dallas has a good chance to win this one IF........they play better offensively than they did last week, and IF........they continue to play defense the way they have been, and IF.........they get a turnover, or two, or three.........

Even though you are starting to sound like Pudlugger:), I never said I expected the Lions to win, I said it wouldn't be as close as the last 3 games.

[waterboy]

Even though you are starting to sound like Pudlugger:), I never said I expected the Lions to win, I said it wouldn't be as close as the last 3 games.
Yep, but I wasn't going by what you said. I was going by what everybody else has said. I think the Cowboys will find a way to win, just like they have the last two. At least that's what I'm hoping.:)

[SintonFan]

Sean Lee is becoming a player.

[Saggy Aggie]

Ok what's your point? He said Washington was worse in every position but safety and I said linebackers. I never said Washington was better than Detroit.IDK, just thought it was ticky tack over one position when Detroit is clearly head and shoulders better in NEARLY every position. Hell, Redskins kicker might be a little better. Big deal?

[eagles_victory]

IDK, just thought it was ticky tack over one position when Detroit is clearly head and shoulders better in NEARLY every position. Hell, Redskins kicker might be a little better. Big deal? Coming from a guy who called Houston the best offense in recent memory kindly escort yourself to petty and pointless threads that more fit your personality.

[Roughneck93]

Sean Lee is becoming a player.Yes sir he sure is. Today he was also named NFC Defensive Player of the Month. The first such honor for a Dallas Cowboy. :clap: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4684455/sean-lee-earns-nfc-defensive-player-of-month

[Saggy Aggie]

Coming from a guy who called Houston the best offense in recent memory kindly escort yourself to petty and pointless threads that more fit your personality."one of the best" and we've yet to see what Houston's offense is capable of because the leading rusher from 2010 still isnt playing.

When they actually get to play together with Arian healthy, then we'll see how good Houston's offense can be. Until then, you don't have a point.

[hornet07]

Former Caldwell player Kris Kocurek is the defense line coach for Detroit!

[SintonFan]

Yes sir he sure is. Today he was also named NFC Defensive Player of the Month. The first such honor for a Dallas Cowboy. :clap: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4684455/sean-lee-earns-nfc-defensive-player-of-month

Bad A$$!!! :clap::clap:

[Macarthur]

It's going to be a long day for Romo and company if the Cowboys play like they did last night. Detroit is better than Washington in every facet of the game. Well except maybe safety. Laundry is a beast. But, Delmas is no slouch either.

As someone has already pointed out, this is not even close to being true. Detroit has a very good passing team. However, they are having some real OL issues. They do not run the ball well, at all. Dallas will certainly face the best passing team they have all season. However, keep in mind, Detroit has to be very concerned about keeping Stafford clean. Dallas leads the league in sacks and with a struggling OL in Detroit, that could work in Dallas' favor.

Detroit's DL is a beast. However, at everyother position, The Jets and Wash are much better at LB and in the secondary. If, and it's a big IF, Dallas can find a way to pass block, Detroit can be had through the air.

Having said all that, I think Detroit wins this game, but too many people are building up Detroit. Detroit has some flaws as a team.

[Bearkatpride]

Romo and company will find a way to win Dallas 35 Detroit 21. IMO

[Sweetwater Red]

As someone has already pointed out, this is not even close to being true. Detroit has a very good passing team. However, they are having some real OL issues. They do not run the ball well, at all. Dallas will certainly face the best passing team they have all season. However, keep in mind, Detroit has to be very concerned about keeping Stafford clean. Dallas leads the league in sacks and with a struggling OL in Detroit, that could work in Dallas' favor.



Detroit's DL is a beast. However, at everyother position, The Jets and Wash are much better at LB and in the secondary. If, and it's a big IF, Dallas can find a way to pass block, Detroit can be had through the air.

Having said all that, I think Detroit wins this game, but too many people are building up Detroit. Detroit has some flaws as a team.

Detroit didn't allow a sack in the first two games. One being against a good D-line in Tampa. Last week Backus and Cherilus played poorly. Backus was flat out whipped by Jared Allen all day. Thing is I don't think neither Hatcher nor Ware are the same caliber as Allen.

I agree that they flaws. Best is their leading rusher and has 143 yards in 3 games for starters. But, this is the most confident I've been going into a game against Dallas since their 1991 playoff game. I think alot of the sports media is feeling it too and just wants Detroit (and maybe Buffalo) to be the Cinderella story of the year. Although what Detroit is doing right now shouldn't be much of a surprise in my opinion.

[Macarthur]

Detroit didn't allow a sack in the first two games. One being against a good D-line in Tampa. Last week Backus and Cherilus played poorly. Backus was flat out whipped by Jared Allen all day. Thing is I don't think neither Hatcher nor Ware are the same caliber as Allen.

Hatcher, no, Ware is the best pass rusher/OLB in the NFL. Period.


I agree that they flaws. Best is their leading rusher and has 143 yards in 3 games for starters. But, this is the most confident I've been going into a game against Dallas since their 1991 playoff game. I think alot of the sports media is feeling it too and just wants Detroit (and maybe Buffalo) to be the Cinderella story of the year. Although what Detroit is doing right now shouldn't be much of a surprise in my opinion.

They should be confident because they are getting better. All I'm saying is the the vibe I get is that Det is head and shoulders ahead of Dallas and I just don't think they're there yet.

[GrTigers6]

Hatcher, no, Ware is the best pass rusher/OLB in the NFL. Period.



They should be confident because they are getting better. All I'm saying is the the vibe I get is that Det is head and shoulders ahead of Dallas and I just don't think they're there yet.Are you telling me that a team that has sucked for years can turn it around in three games but a team that has the talent but needed something to get it together cant turn it around.
I think we will see how good Detroit really is on Sunday. Just because you are 3-0 doesnt mean you are a superior team, especially when they have been bad for so long. Yes they did improve last season but to say they are the team to beat just seems ridiculious. Look at the Giants a few years back who everyone praised and said they were the best team in the NFL after an 8-0 start and they finished 8-8 and stayed home.
Cowboys if healthy take this one easily, as they were last week than it make be a nailbiter depending on the passing game and snaps.

[Sweetwater Red]

Are you telling me that a team that has sucked for years can turn it around in three games but a team that has the talent but needed something to get it together cant turn it around.
I think we will see how good Detroit really is on Sunday. Just because you are 3-0 doesnt mean you are a superior team, especially when they have been bad for so long. Yes they did improve last season but to say they are the team to beat just seems ridiculious. Look at the Giants a few years back who everyone praised and said they were the best team in the NFL after an 8-0 start and they finished 8-8 and stayed home.
Cowboys if healthy take this one easily, as they were last week than it make be a nailbiter depending on the passing game and snaps.

Wow. :doh:

[eagleqb_14]

i think it will be good game. GO COWBOYS

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Cowboys will win this game by couple of tds.

[Sweetwater Red]

Cowboys will win this game by couple of tds.

Not a chance. One thing you Cowboys fans aren't taking into consideration is the desire for Detroit to prove themselves. They treated the nationally televised preseason game against the Patriots like a playoff game and shredded NE's defense to the tune of 34-something. Tomorrow's game is Fox's premiere game with Aikman, Buck etc calling it. Expect Detroit to approach this game like the Super Bowl.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Not a chance. One thing you Cowboys fans aren't taking into consideration is the desire for Detroit to prove themselves. They treated the nationally televised preseason game against the Patriots like a playoff game and shredded NE's defense to the tune of 34-something. Tomorrow's game is Fox's premiere game with Aikman, Buck etc calling it. Expect Detroit to approach this game like the Super Bowl.They can approach it however they want but the Cowboys will win this game by couple of tds. :thumbsup:

[Txbroadcaster]

Detroit didn't allow a sack in the first two games. One being against a good D-line in Tampa. Last week Backus and Cherilus played poorly. Backus was flat out whipped by Jared Allen all day. Thing is I don't think neither Hatcher nor Ware are the same caliber as Allen.



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Your right..Ware is 2-3 calibers ahead of Allen( and I like Allen alot), but he is not on the same level as Demarcus

[Sweetwater Red]

They can approach it however they want but the Cowboys will win this game by couple of tds. :thumbsup:

Gotta love your enthusiasm SFiA. But, Dallas stands about as much of a chance of beating Detroit as does Sinton beating Ingleside. I hear y'alls lines play about as bad as the Cowboys also. :devil:

[sinton66]

Somebody please do updates on here. Stupid Comcast in Houston won't be showing the game.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

http://th103.photobucket.com/albums/m149/wendy1826/myspace%20stuff/th_tn_345706397.gif

[LionFan72]

1st series - Lions intercepted by Sensabaugh about Cowboy 45.

[LionFan72]

Romo to Bryant 28 yd TD, 7-0 Cowboys. Lions stuffing runs pretty good so far, but passing lanes are open on both sides of the field.

[Ranger Mom]

Dallas up 7-0

[Roughneck93]

Romo to Bryant 28 yd TD, 7-0 Cowboys. Lions stuffing runs pretty good so far, but passing lanes are open on both sides of the field.That was nice!

[LionFan72]

Lions 3 and out, Boys ball at midfield.

[LionFan72]

Cowboys O-line is adequate to dominate in protection, Romo is picking them apart with accurate throws. Defense is mauling Stafford and rushing the throws.

4th and goal at 1, runs right and stuffed at 1. Detroit takes over.

[Txbroadcaster]

Cowboys O-line is adequate to dominate in protection, Romo is picking them apart with accurate throws. Defense is mauling Stafford and rushing the throws.

4th and goal at 1, runs right and stuffed at 1. Detroit takes over.


like going for it..dont like the call..ran right into strength of Lion D

[Farmersfan]

I don't understand the logic. Why run it against a stacked box? Audible to an outside run when they come inside like that................ Choice should beat any LB to the corner.

[Txbroadcaster]

I don't understand the logic. Why run it against a stacked box? Audible to an outside run when they come inside like that................ Choice should beat any LB to the corner.

Cant audible just to audible it..you would have then had the big D lineman pulling out as the FB

[eagleqb_14]

end of 1st Dallas 7-0. should be 14-0 we should have scored on the 1

[Farmersfan]

like going for it..dont like the call..ran right into strength of Lion D


Right........

[LionFan72]

7-0 End of 1st Quarter.

[Roughneck93]

like going for it..dont like the call..ran right into strength of Lion DYeah bad play call. Seems the Cowboys can never get that one yard.

[LionFan72]

REally poor decision by Garrett to run right into strength of Lions D.

[eagleqb_14]

REally poor decision by Garrett to run right into strength of Lions D.
i agree, but what can you say.. its jason garrett lol

[Farmersfan]

Dallas really needs to find a better kick returner.

[Farmersfan]

That was awesome!

[Txbroadcaster]

Romo is in a groove early

[Roughneck93]

Romo is playing great today. And how about Robinson? Not a bad pick up by Dallas.

[coach]

Dallas really needs to find a better kick returner.

They haven't returned a kick today.... Do you mean punt returner? There is a difference you know

[LionFan72]

Romo to Bryant TD Cowboys, 14-0! Romo 10-12 for 128 yds, obviously he is getting time to make throws.

[LionFan72]

Defensive line is dominating Detroit O-line, looking really good so far. No sacks yet, but hurrying every throw by Stafford. Cowboys ball at Lions 49 after punt.

[Farmersfan]

They haven't returned a kick today.... Do you mean punt returner? There is a difference you know


OK, punt returner! And about the time I posted that he was one step away from breaking a long one.................:)

[LionFan72]

17-0 Cowboys, 37 yd FG. On 3rd and 11 from 35, Romo hits Whitten for 8 yds with plenty time to look around. Romo pattern returning? Hope not. Looking good so far, no serious breakdowns or penalties.

[Farmersfan]

That should have been a big loss sack by Dallas. Those are the kinds of missed opportunities that haunted Dallas all season last year.

[LionFan72]

Broken play, two D-lineman with hands on Stafford, breaks away and shovel pass to back down to 20 yd line, next play DB hold to 15.

[LionFan72]

17-3 Cowboys, FG from 25 yd.

[coach]

Ff. Dez will take over once he is 100%

[LionFan72]

Short run for 1, bubble screen to back loses 4, incomplete pass, first 3 and out for Cowboys, Lions ball on 20 after punt to endzone.

[LionFan72]

Lions 6 plays and out, punt for touchback, Dallas ball on 20 with 1:28 Left in half

[LionFan72]

Cowboys quick drive to Lions 31, Robinson is a good pickup. FG try from 27, Good!

20-3 Halftime!

[Roughneck93]

Nice scoring drive by the Cowboys to end the first half.

[LionFan72]

Stafford is being rushed, hit, chased out of pocket and knocked down by very agressive pass rush, and unbelieveable enough receivers are being covered relatively well. When given time, Stafford has been right on the money. Gotta keep up the pressure!

Romo has been stellar so far, I only saw 1 hit after a pass so far. Not even close to a sack, Suh has not been a factor.

[Txbroadcaster]

What a great play design

[LionFan72]

Good return by Cowboys to 49 of Detroit by Lissamore(sp). Romo ripping apart secondary with out passes to Robinson and Whitten, still no running game, just a couple yds at a time. Keeping the passing game simple I imagine to protect those sore ribs, three steps and chunk it, working so far. Detroit has no answer.

17 yd completion to Ogletree at 1 foot line or TD, challenge underway. Challenge lost, ball at 1/2 yard line, 1st and goal.

Wide open in back of end zone, Whitten TD.

27-3 Cowboys.

Kinda looks like Detroit of old............

[Roughneck93]

Cowboys putting it to the Lions. Lions looking like the Lions we are used to seeing.

[LionFan72]

What a great play design

That was epic for Garrett, fake reverse by Ogletree, totally lost DB overran, and cut back outside to corner of endzone!

[LionFan72]

Lions 3 and out again, Cowboy ball at own 23 after good punt out of bounds. 10 plus mins left in 3rd.

[LionFan72]

Romo intercepted by Carpenter at 35 and returned for td Lions. Carpenter undercut route, and I guess Romo didn't see him.

27-10 Cowboys.

[eagleqb_14]

romo that double coverage

[Farmersfan]

And Romo has returned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roughneck93]

Wow.

[Matthew328]

Bad Romo is back

[coach]

And Romo has returned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bad through. I think you want him to fail lol

[LionFan72]

Cowboys start at 20 after run back. Boys O line starting to dominate Dline, lots of slow get ups by the Lions. Dallas running Choice and Murray, pounding the rock and moving the ball.

Lions intercept at 49 yard line, took ball away from receiver and returns for TD, two Defensive TDs,

Dallas 27-17, 5:34 left in 3rd.

3rd and 2, successfully pounding the rock on a tired defense at the 45, and you chunk it for a pick 6, what the hell are you thinking Garrett?

[Txbroadcaster]

First INT on Romo..2nd one was a great play bt CB..like Aikman said slants should not be int

[Farmersfan]

I bad through. I think you want him to fail lol



Yea! That's it.........

And Romo's last 3 throws have been horrible reads. 2 pick sixes and a circus catch that was made out of blanket coverage. Face it, Romo is a mental midget..............

[Txbroadcaster]

Romo greAt throw but Bryant could not hold it

[Farmersfan]

Dez is a moron! Why act that way?

[coach]

Yea! That's it.........

And Romo's last 3 throws have been horrible reads. 2 pick sixes and a circus catch that was made out of blanket coverage. Face it, Romo is a mental midget..............


Last throw wasn't on him. If that's miles then that's a catch. I guess since dez didn't catch tht it was romos fault. Fact is, you are clueless. Hell you thoughts punt returner was a kick return. And blanket coverage and te reciever catches it is proving that romo made a bad throw.

[Roughneck93]

Suh finally makes an appearance.

[coach]

terrible throw by romo to witten. Man he sucks het him out of there he is a mental midget. Kitna should start. Wow how pathetic romo

[LionFan72]

Kick off to Dallas, touchback, start at the 20. Lions now stacking box against run. Bryant with catch at Lions 39, bobbled, almost. Good audible. late hit on Romo after 3rd and 3 incomplete. 1st and 10 at Lions 46. Pass to Whitten to Lions 9. 23 yd FG.

Dallas 30-17, 37 seconds left in 3rd qtr.

[Farmersfan]

Last throw wasn't on him. If that's miles then that's a catch. I guess since dez didn't catch tht it was romos fault. Fact is, you are clueless. Hell you thoughts punt returner was a kick return. And blanket coverage and te reciever catches it is proving that romo made a bad throw.



Wow! And you claim I have no clue!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ranger Mom]

I see more pros than cons with Romo right now, so I am not ready to throw him to the lions (pardon the pun) yet!! :)

[coach]

Wow! And you claim I have no clue!!!!!!!!!!!

No I claim you are an idiot who doesn't know football.

[Roughneck93]

What a catch by Megatron!

[coach]

I guess that's a terrible throw by stafford according to mr. Football

[LionFan72]

Lions Score, 30-24 Cowboys.

Great protection for Stafford and he took them down the field. Not the best coverage by secondary and YAC was terrible. Good catch in endzone by receiver (Johnson)with 3 backs all over him.

[LionFan72]

I guess that's a terrible throw by stafford according to mr. Football

Uh, yea, it kinda was, into double coverage but get play by Megatron! Let us call it Lucky!

[Farmersfan]

I guess that's a terrible throw by stafford according to mr. Football



Wow! Did I just step back into elementary school? Come play with the grown ups Coach......

[LionFan72]

Lions are playing more agressive and Cowboys have assumed the conservative we got this won attitude.

[LionFan72]

Cowboys 3 and out! Time for Ryan to kick start the defense again!

[Farmersfan]

I guess that's a terrible throw by stafford according to mr. Football



I also can predict that if the Lions win this game you and some other non-thinkers will blame the defense. It's the normal Romosexual response.

[coach]

I also can predict that if the Lions win this game you and some other non-thinkers will blame the defense. It's the normal Romosexual response.



No bc the cowboys will win. The d is playing great and the o has put up 30.

[Roughneck93]

Great series by the defense. We need some points.

[LionFan72]

Stafford to Megatron show. Jenkins burned but ball overthrown. Boys hold and Lions punt. Ball downed on 5 with flag. 1/2 distance to goal, 9:39 to play Boys backed deep in own end.

[LionFan72]

Dallas 3 and out. Lions ball after punt at Boys 47.

[eagles_victory]

At some point, you have to be able to take the air out of the game by picking up first downs in the running game and Dallas's inability to do that is one thing that makes them very vulnerable to collapses that and silly turnovers.

[TheDOCTORdre]

well lets see if the Cowboys has a drive left in them to put the game away

[LionFan72]

Lions shooting themselves in the foot, two big penalties back up big gains inside 10, then pass interference on offense again, total collaspe by Lions offense. 49 yd FG by Lions, Good.

30-27 Cowboys.

[TheDOCTORdre]

well lets see if the Cowboys has a drive left in them to put the game away

well lets see if Dallas D can stop detroit

[Roughneck93]

Smh...

[turbostud]

Romo must go!!!!!!!

[3afan]

Cowboys=Aggies today

[LionFan72]

Cowboys start at own 20. Let's see if Romo's leadership skills have improved. Nope! Throws into double coverage, interception at Cowboys 40. Biggest comeback against Cowboys in history coming up, dang it! Threw 20+ yd pass off of back foot, Highschooler!

[coach]

Damn that was awful romo

[Old Tiger]

LOL @tonyromo

[Emerson1]

Cowboys=Aggies today
the wise one of the family has spoken

[Eagle 1]

Welcome back Romo......I knew you still sucked!

[Old Tiger]

http://www.balettie.com/texas/Romo_choke.jpg

[Emerson1]

Cowboys start at own 20. Let's see if Romo's leadership skills have improved. Nope! Throws into double coverage, interception at Cowboys 40. Biggest comeback against Cowboys in history coming up, dang it!
How does a bad throw have anything to do with leadership?

[Eagle 1]

http://www.balettie.com/texas/Romo_choke.jpg

Yep.

[LionFan72]

Let's see, game on the line, throw the damn ball out of bounds! Where did you play ball?

[turbostud]

270
....

[Old Tiger]

Cowboys had 12 men on field and couldn't stop the Lions....



Rob just dropped a F bomb.

[orange machine]

How can u not bench Romo for this?

[Roughneck93]

What a collapse.

[LionFan72]

34-30 Detroit. Biggest meltdown by Cowboys in history. 1:39 for Romo to shine, oh my! Starting at own 20!

[turbostud]

Romo...21 pts off 3 INT's

[Old Tiger]

I've seen worse collapse roughneck93....the previous two weeks in fact.

[LionFan72]

34-30 Detroit Final. Wow.

[orange machine]

You got to bench Romo

[Farmersfan]

Romo...21 pts off 3 INT's


And there are STILL some people who will make excuses for him......

[orange machine]

If anything make an example out of him and say this won't be tolerated.

[turbostud]

And there are STILL some people who will make excuses for him......

Not me... I've been saying for a few years now that i dont see him winning the Cowboys a Superbowl.

[Txbroadcaster]

Yep epic collapse..love all the Romo haters..they point to those two game..and dismiss the 2 come back wins this year

So 2-2 and Dallas could easily be 4-0 or 0-4

[coach]

a lot of the blame should go to romo and he deserves it. he made a bad read and a bad throw to witten. but the d looked like the d of old. couldnt stop anyone in crunch time. not to mention jason garret continues to be pass happy. run the damn football. romo looked amazing in the first half, and collapsed in the 2nd half.

[eagles_victory]

That is squarely on Tony Romo's shoulders. I like Romo but this can't happen this is the NFL. But it goes back to what I said earlier when you can't run the ball for first downs you are so much more vulnerable to collapses.

[coach]

And there are STILL some people who will make excuses for him......



no on e is making excuses....unlike you who just trolls on the website waiting for him to throw one bad pass then you claim he sucks, when in all reality you are cluelss about football. hell you did the same thing last year with the mavs lol. but it's what ever. you saying kitna should start just proves how much you know

[Txbroadcaster]

BTW...Philly collapsed after leading 20-3 so they drop to 1-3

I did not like declining the penalty on Offensive pass interferance

[eagles_victory]

Yep epic collapse..love all the Romo haters..they point to those two game..and dismiss the 2 come back wins this year

So 2-2 and Dallas could easily be 4-0 or 0-4 Who cares what they could of should of been. Romo soiled the bed in ways that most thought weren't even possible today. You don't get a free pass to choke just because you led a comeback the previous week.

[Farmersfan]

a lot of the blame should go to romo and he deserves it. he made a bad read and a bad throw to witten. but the d looked like the d of old. couldnt stop anyone in crunch time. not to mention jason garret continues to be pass happy. run the damn football. romo looked amazing in the first half, and collapsed in the 2nd half.


:):)

just like clockwork!!!!!

[eagles_victory]

BTW...Philly collapsed after leading 20-3 so they drop to 1-3

I did not like declining the penalty on Offensive pass interferance I agree with you on that. That was awful and just gave the Lions 3 points they may have not gotten.

[LionFan72]

Romo showed his maturity or lack thereof, and Garrett his capabilities as a head coach. This was a team meltdown with the exception of the defensive line, they gave it all they had, but no sacks on Stafford!

Romo is a decent QB, but he just does not have it in him to control his impulses and think before he acts. Maybe he needs some ADHD drugs before the game. Don't know, but he will never achieve the Dallas QB status as a Super Bowl winner. Just not in this boy!

[Snotbubbles]

Down right pitiful!!! Even the cheerleaders looked bad. Romo, who the hell you throwing the rock to? "D" couldn't stop nothing. They're done!!!! Blew a 27-3 freaking lead.

[Eagle 1]

Romo = Danny White.
Nuff said.

[Txbroadcaster]

Who cares what they could of should of been. Romo soiled the bed in ways that most thought weren't even possible today. You don't get a free pass to choke just because you led a comeback the previous week.

I did not say he gets a pass, Romo lost the game for Dallas today

[TheDOCTORdre]

Romo = Danny White.
Nuff said.

they even ahd a stat today comparing the 2 lol

[eagles_victory]

I did not say he gets a pass, Romo lost the game for Dallas today Might as well of. It doesn't matter what he did in the other 2 games when he has outright given 2 games away.

[Eagle 1]

they even ahd a stat today comparing the 2 lol

I missed that, was just telling the truth. LOL.

[eagles_victory]

At some point you have to consider going with someone who isn't going to play you out of the game.

[Farmersfan]

no on e is making excuses....unlike you who just trolls on the website waiting for him to throw one bad pass then you claim he sucks, when in all reality you are cluelss about football. hell you did the same thing last year with the mavs lol. but it's what ever. you saying kitna should start just proves how much you know


:wave::wave: Yea, Clueless! I have been saying for years now that Romo isn't the answer and every single thing I tell on here comes true and you can't take it. Don't deflect the blame with a bunch of illogical crap.

[Txbroadcaster]

Might as well of. It doesn't matter what he did in the other 2 games when he has outright given 2 games away.

and that is where you and I disagree..you cant just point to either...I cant say oh Romo is fine he won two games with come backs and dismiss the two bad losses...and the those who dont like Romo cant simply do the opposite...it is a total package

and this team is the same thing...right now looks to be able to play with almost anyone, but they have yet to be able to be consistent to do it game after game..Still new in the Garrett era we shall see if they find that ability to do that

[eagles_victory]

and that is where you and I disagree..you cant just point to either...I cant say oh Romo is fine he won two games with come backs and dismiss the two bad losses...and the those who dont like Romo cant simply do the opposite...it is a total package

and this team is the same thing...right now looks to be able to play with almost anyone, but they have yet to be able to be consistent to do it game after game..Still new in the Garrett era we shall see if they find that ability to do that ok if your cool with 8-8.

[Txbroadcaster]

ok if your cool with 8-8.

hey I said before season with the OL changes I felt Dallas was in mini rebuild and anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 is where I think they would be..I actually have been impressed with how they have played in first games again we will see if thru the rest of season will they continue hot and cold, will the find the ability to be consistent( Romo and D), or will they turn south

[LionFan72]

and that is where you and I disagree..you cant just point to either...I cant say oh Romo is fine he won two games with come backs and dismiss the two bad losses...and the those who dont like Romo cant simply do the opposite...it is a total package

and this team is the same thing...right now looks to be able to play with almost anyone, but they have yet to be able to be consistent to do it game after game..Still new in the Garrett era we shall see if they find that ability to do that

I think a lot of the scheme from Garrett was to protect Romo the best he could, short passes, slants and runs to control the game. But, with a few of the play calls, I gotta wonder who is really in charge of the offense.

Romo makes mistakes, every QB has and will, but not in the same situation week after week like Romo has. History every game repeats itself pretty darn regular around Romo's hip pocket. When is enough? I think even as blinded as Jerry is, he has to see the writing on the wall. The Cowboys will have to live with the situation this year, but I am hoping for a really good draft pick come next year.

[TheDOCTORdre]

time to enter the "Suck for Luck" campaign?

[Saggy Aggie]

I've seen worse collapse roughneck93....the previous two weeks in fact. when? I saw 18 point leads blown, but not 24?

[Eagle 1]

Romo....http://oi56.tinypic.com/kf4j6e.jpg......Cowboy fans

[ssgmp5150]

Tony Romo chokes more than the current Farmersville Farmer coaching staff!

[Phil C]

The Curse is Over.

[bobcat1]

Yep epic collapse..love all the Romo haters..they point to those two game..and dismiss the 2 come back wins this year

So 2-2 and Dallas could easily be 4-0 or 0-4Yep and Grandma could've been Grandpa is she would have had a............

This is the most frustrating loss I have ever seen. He wasn't under any pressure all day. Maybe it was just me but it seemed they took their foot off the gas before the first half ended on offense and defense. They played to not lose. They should have mashed the gas and kept it on the gas until they ran out of gas. The one single player on defense we lost hurt us a bunch. Calvin Johnson did not come alive until Sensabaugh went out. DWare was manhandled all day. I saw Sean Lee miss a tackle today, luckily it was called back on a penalty. The Detroit Defense adjusted to the screen plays at the half. Garrett kept calling it though.

I didn't really think Dallas would win today and in the end they didn't. They played up to their potential in the first half but as usual Romo disengaged his pea brain after he thought he had this in the bag. I do not think he is any better than Danny White was of yesteryear. He is not ever going to be "Clutch". Still a Dallas fan but I am never going to miss a good day of fishing to stay home and get pissed again. I'll DVR it and skip all the commercials.

[Sweetwater Red]

The Curse is Over.

Indeed! :D

[orange machine]

Mark Cuban and Nolan Ryan need to buy the Cowboys.

[eagles_victory]

Mark Cuban and Nolan Ryan need to buy the Cowboys. Yea blame it on Jerry that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

[NastySlot]

first the Aggies and now the Cowboys....it wasn't a good weekend for me....only good thing was I didn't havea chance to watch it just heard the endings on the radio.


oh well there is always next weekend.

[Pendragon13]

http://i51.tinypic.com/of0u9g.jpg

[orange machine]

Yea blame it on Jerry that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

I actually don't mind Jerry but he loves Romo and won't let Garrett make a change even if Garrett wanted to.

[bobcat1]

Yea blame it on Jerry that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. Our fragile DB's and subsequent lack of quality depth have a lot to do with the D-Line's success. Only when Sensabaugh went out did Calvin Johnson become relevant in this game. We rarely blitzed in the second half. Most of the time rushing 4 or 3. Stafford had what seemed like 30 seconds to throw into triple coverage in the endzone for Calvin Johnson's TD. Chokemo scored 14 for the Lions. Without that we win. The D seemed to let down while they rested in the 3rd quarter and some probably became disillusioned after the "Fearless Leader" gave up 2 pick 6 TD's.

[TheDOCTORdre]

first the Aggies and now the Cowboys....it wasn't a good weekend for me....only good thing was I didn't havea chance to watch it just heard the endings on the radio.


oh well there is always next weekend.

well the Cowboys should be fine against the Bye next weekend, but if A&M plays the way they have been, they could be in trouble against Tech who had a comeback yesterday over Kansas...hopefully if A&M only plays a half next week, it'll be the 2nd one

[MoveInDad]

time to enter the "Suck for Luck" campaign?

Well, we trail Minnesota by 2 games in that... but if you had to pick a quarterback to get the job done, Romo would be your guy ;0)

[eagles_victory]

I actually don't mind Jerry but he loves Romo and won't let Garrett make a change even if Garrett wanted to. You know that for sure?

[regaleagle]

If this is all we have to look forward to this entire NFL season, we may as well all jump on board the Houston Texan bandwagon. It won't get any prettier here, but at least Houston has the players and potential to take it all the way. We are Romo-spun diddlies in Dallas. aren't we??

[JJWalker]

No real message from me, but I feel like I should be posting on this thread. :ack!:

[Trashman]

Yep and Grandma could've been Grandpa is she would have had a............

This is the most frustrating loss I have ever seen. He wasn't under any pressure all day. Maybe it was just me but it seemed they took their foot off the gas before the first half ended on offense and defense. They played to not lose. They should have mashed the gas and kept it on the gas until they ran out of gas. The one single player on defense we lost hurt us a bunch. Calvin Johnson did not come alive until Sensabaugh went out. DWare was manhandled all day. I saw Sean Lee miss a tackle today, luckily it was called back on a penalty. The Detroit Defense adjusted to the screen plays at the half. Garrett kept calling it though.

I didn't really think Dallas would win today and in the end they didn't. They played up to their potential in the first half but as usual Romo disengaged his pea brain after he thought he had this in the bag. I do not think he is any better than Danny White was of yesteryear. He is not ever going to be "Clutch". Still a Dallas fan but I am never going to miss a good day of fishing to stay home and get pissed again. I'll DVR it and skip all the commercials.

:iagree:

[Farmersfan]

So let's talk about alternatives. I lot of people believe Tony isn't the answer for the Cowboys. (A lot more today than yesterday). But I honestly don't think either Kitna or McGee are the answers either. Do the Cowboys play McGee to see what he has and throw in the towel and work for a better draft pick? What's the worse thing that could happen other than they lose a few games because the QB throws the game??????? Been there-Done that! Dallas has gone All-In on all the other players and are supposed to be turning over a new leaf on the expectations in Valley Ranch so what kind of message does it send to the other players to have their franchise QB throw 2 out of the last 4 games with bad decisions without any consequences? I think they must bench Tony Romo is only for 1 game. But if it's to send a message they start Kitna in his place and if it's to build for the future they have to start McGee. Anyone available to be traded for that you think might be better than what they have? Comments?

[Saggy Aggie]

So let's talk about alternatives. I lot of people believe Tony isn't the answer for the Cowboys. (A lot more today than yesterday). But I honestly don't think either Kitna or McGee are the answers either. Do the Cowboys play McGee to see what he has and throw in the towel and work for a better draft pick? What's the worse thing that could happen other than they lose a few games because the QB throws the game??????? Been there-Done that! Dallas has gone All-In on all the other players and are supposed to be turning over a new leaf on the expectations in Valley Ranch so what kind of message does it send to the other players to have their franchise QB throw 2 out of the last 4 games with bad decisions without any consequences? I think they must bench Tony Romo is only for 1 game. But if it's to send a message they start Kitna in his place and if it's to build for the future they have to start McGee. Anyone available to be traded for that you think might be better than what they have? Comments? Favre would probably love to come to dallas LOL

[Farmersfan]

Here are some interesting stats on Tony Romo this season. He has a 110.7 QB rating in the first half through 4 games this season. His QB rating in the second half is 72.7. Tony has 8 turnovers through 4 games (5 ints and 3 fumbles) and all of them are in the second half. And in the 4th quarter when the Cowboys are within 7 points, either up or down, Tony has a QB rating of 59. This is very un-Romo like!

[Txbroadcaster]

2-2 and a game back in standings and you want to talk about basically throwing away the season?

No you dont do that, if you do not only do you lose the fans, but you lose the veterans like Ware who already had a throw away season last year. you ask players like him and Ratliff to do that twice and for all the talk about the Phillips culture and so on, you would be creating a lockerroom full of dissent

Easy to bag on Romo right now..but fact is they are 2-2 with one team ahead of them who they have already beat..and are only NFC east team without a division loss.

for a little comparison..2009 Dallas team was 2-2 and everyone claimed Romo was not the guy, bench him and so on...they went 11-5


You have to let this season play out..the games they look best in they lost..games they had to scrap and fight, they won...We will see which team wins out as the season progresses

[Macarthur]

So let's talk about alternatives. I lot of people believe Tony isn't the answer for the Cowboys. (A lot more today than yesterday). But I honestly don't think either Kitna or McGee are the answers either. Do the Cowboys play McGee to see what he has and throw in the towel and work for a better draft pick? What's the worse thing that could happen other than they lose a few games because the QB throws the game??????? Been there-Done that! Dallas has gone All-In on all the other players and are supposed to be turning over a new leaf on the expectations in Valley Ranch so what kind of message does it send to the other players to have their franchise QB throw 2 out of the last 4 games with bad decisions without any consequences? I think they must bench Tony Romo is only for 1 game. But if it's to send a message they start Kitna in his place and if it's to build for the future they have to start McGee. Anyone available to be traded for that you think might be better than what they have? Comments?

I agree with Broadcaster. You can't just throw a 2-2 season away. You would have serious problems in that lockeroom if you did this.

Look, we've said this thousands of times, but the Cowboys are not up 27-3 in that game without Romo. But you could also make the argument they don't lose that game without Romo. Now, let's say the season ends in disappointment again.

I think they do have to really give serious thought to looking at a QB early in the draft. But you have to let this thing play itself out; way too early to give up on the season. Especially since it looks like the NFC East is going to be pretty tight the whole way. 10-6 could very well win this thing.

[Farmersfan]

2-2 and a game back in standings and you want to talk about basically throwing away the season?

No you dont do that, if you do not only do you lose the fans, but you lose the veterans like Ware who already had a throw away season last year. you ask players like him and Ratliff to do that twice and for all the talk about the Phillips culture and so on, you would be creating a lockerroom full of dissent

Easy to bag on Romo right now..but fact is they are 2-2 with one team ahead of them who they have already beat..and are only NFC east team without a division loss.

for a little comparison..2009 Dallas team was 2-2 and everyone claimed Romo was not the guy, bench him and so on...they went 11-5


You have to let this season play out..the games they look best in they lost..games they had to scrap and fight, they won...We will see which team wins out as the season progresses



This team going 9-7 or 10-6 and then getting their arse handed to them in the first round would be the worse thing that could happen to them. That takes great or good players and turns them into indifferent players. A complete tear down and rebuild is far better for the future of this team than another Romo failure to get them past the 1st round. Don't think Ware and the other defensive stars aren't aware of how they are being asked to overcome Romo's mistakes and being judged as failures when they aren't able to. There are already ton's of people blaming the defense for the lost yesterday even though they held the Lions 14 (really 21) points below their per game average in points and almost 100 yards below their average and STILL LOST. You were the worst one of them all at blaming the team's failings in 09' on the #2 ranked defense in the entire NFL in points allowed. We are starting to see this trend again. At some point Ware, Spencer, Jenkins and Newman will throw their hands in the air and ask what's the point. Oh wait! They already did that when Wade was the coach. Wade Philips didn't lose because he lost the team's respect, He lost the teams respect because they lost on the field. If Garrett doesn't get these emotional and mistake ridden losses under control he will also lose the team. but that's just my opinion.

[Txbroadcaster]

This team going 9-7 or 10-6 and then getting their arse handed to them in the first round would be the worse thing that could happen to them. That takes great or good players and turns them into indifferent players. A complete tear down and rebuild is far better for the future of this team than another Romo failure to get them past the 1st round. Don't think Ware and the other defensive stars aren't aware of how they are being asked to overcome Romo's mistakes and being judged as failures when they aren't able to. There are already ton's of people blaming the defense for the lost yesterday even though they held the Lions 14 (really 21) points below their per game average in points and almost 100 yards below their average and STILL LOST. You were the worst one of them all at blaming the team's failings in 09' on the #2 ranked defense in the entire NFL in points allowed. We are starting to see this trend again. At some point Ware, Spencer, Jenkins and Newman will throw their hands in the air and ask what's the point. Oh wait! They already did that when Wade was the coach. Wade Philips didn't lose because he lost the team's respect, He lost the teams respect because they lost on the field. If Garrett doesn't get these emotional and mistake ridden losses under control he will also lose the team. but that's just my opinion.

Actually the Dallas D gave up 17 points all in the 4th Q...and sorry your reaching to assume players like Ware think wow we have to overcome Romo because simple fact is..in 4 games this year Romo has won two games with comebacks and two games were lost because of his mistakes...simple logic is none of that will happen all year..again 2-2 record and really in a great place in NFC east means you play for now, not for next year

[Farmersfan]

I agree with Broadcaster. You can't just throw a 2-2 season away. You would have serious problems in that lockeroom if you did this.

Look, we've said this thousands of times, but the Cowboys are not up 27-3 in that game without Romo. But you could also make the argument they don't lose that game without Romo. Now, let's say the season ends in disappointment again.

I think they do have to really give serious thought to looking at a QB early in the draft. But you have to let this thing play itself out; way too early to give up on the season. Especially since it looks like the NFC East is going to be pretty tight the whole way. 10-6 could very well win this thing.


The 110 QB rating for Romo in the first half is the reason he got a 12 million dollars a year contract! I'm pretty sure his contract doesn't state they have to take the good with the bad. My question is what is the difference in Romo leading them to a 27 point lead and then giving the game away and a bad QB not making any plays and causing them to lost by 40 points? One gives everybody (including the owner) hope and the other gives no false hope which allows the team to keep looking. How many good QBs have come through the NFL system since the starting job was handed to Romo? If Dallas doesn't look they certainly can't find!

[Farmersfan]

Actually the Dallas D gave up 17 points all in the 4th Q...and sorry your reaching to assume players like Ware think wow we have to overcome Romo because simple fact is..in 4 games this year Romo has won two games with comebacks and two games were lost because of his mistakes...simple logic is none of that will happen all year..again 2-2 record and really in a great place in NFC east means you play for now, not for next year


I hope you are right TXB. But you have been making comments like this for 3 years now during our constant debates on the Romo subject and in 3 years nothing has gotten better. It now seems to have gotten worse. Can Romo get beyond this? Not if he keeps doing it again and again.

[hollywood]

Can Romo get beyond this? Not if he keeps doing it again and again.
I love this quote... "Great athletes make mistakes. Only the best athletes make the mistake once." If Romo continues to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over, it's beyond time to start looking for the future QB. IMHO.

[LHHS_Mom]

In the real world of employment, Romo would have been sacked from his job a long time ago. Allowing his performance for one year was a grace period, but this is now a situation that has not changed. One excuse after another.

Has that saved anyone else's job before getting the axe?

:eek::)

[Macarthur]

This team going 9-7 or 10-6 and then getting their arse handed to them in the first round would be the worse thing that could happen to them. That takes great or good players and turns them into indifferent players. A complete tear down and rebuild is far better for the future of this team than another Romo failure to get them past the 1st round. Don't think Ware and the other defensive stars aren't aware of how they are being asked to overcome Romo's mistakes and being judged as failures when they aren't able to. There are already ton's of people blaming the defense for the lost yesterday even though they held the Lions 14 (really 21) points below their per game average in points and almost 100 yards below their average and STILL LOST. You were the worst one of them all at blaming the team's failings in 09' on the #2 ranked defense in the entire NFL in points allowed. We are starting to see this trend again. At some point Ware, Spencer, Jenkins and Newman will throw their hands in the air and ask what's the point. Oh wait! They already did that when Wade was the coach. Wade Philips didn't lose because he lost the team's respect, He lost the teams respect because they lost on the field. If Garrett doesn't get these emotional and mistake ridden losses under control he will also lose the team. but that's just my opinion.

I disagree. Getting into the tournyment is the important thing. Today's NFL is not about dynasties. It's about getting into the playoffs and getting on a hot streak. GB last year would not even made the playoffs if it were not for the miracle punt return by Jackson to beat NY. They got on a hot streak and won it all. Anyone that watches Romo knows he is CAPABLE of getting on a similar streak. Obviously, he can't make the same mistakes or they won't even have the chance to get there.

Romo shoulders most of the blame, but the defense has no business going around talking trash. They folded like a cheap lawn chair in the crunch time. The defensive players you listed - Ware, Spencer, Jenkins & Newman - only one of those can say they have been playing their butt off the whole time, Ware. The rest of those three have been wildly inconsistent.

I'm not blaming the defense and I disagree with your comment that many are doing that this morning. This one is being laid squarely at the feet of Romo, and I have no problem with that. Just don't go around absolving the rest of the team 100% for this.

[Macarthur]

In the real world of employment, Romo would have been sacked from his job a long time ago. Allowing his performance for one year was a grace period, but this is now a situation that has not changed. One excuse after another.

Has that saved anyone else's job before getting the axe?

:eek::)

Not true. Very talented people get the benefit of the doubt in the 'real world' too.

[JJWalker]

I have to agree with broadcaster and mac.

I think Romo does bonehead stuff, but it is way too early in the season to throw in the towel.

Only 1 game back.

[Eagle 1]

I have to agree with broadcaster and mac.

I think Romo does bonehead stuff, but it is way too early in the season to throw in the towel.

Only 1 game back.

deja-vu.......deja-vu........deja-vu........

[Txbroadcaster]

I hope you are right TXB. But you have been making comments like this for 3 years now during our constant debates on the Romo subject and in 3 years nothing has gotten better. It now seems to have gotten worse. Can Romo get beyond this? Not if he keeps doing it again and again.

Can Romo get past what? the meltodowns or the comebacks? That is the whole thing with Romo...do you want to curtail his gunslinging ways or not? history says he wins more than lose almost by a 2-to-1 ratio

[SintonFan_inAustin]

2-2 good start to the season, would've been great to be 4-0 or 3-1 but this is still a good start with a young improving team. Romo will bounce back and lead this team into the playoffs.

[DalhartAlumni]

Romo is a good QB, not great but good, he wins games, and is the reason he won't be going anywhere anytime soon, I don't care what QB comes to Dallas, there all going to be held to a higher standard because its the DALLAS COWBOYS! Everyone is going to say to get rid of him and what not, but even if they do, and the next QB comes in and makes the same mistakes, you all are going to bash him just as hard, Aikman was great, and he had plenty of bonehead plays when he played aswell, but just because he won the big game then he was praised, Romo will always get bashed until he wins it, then people will begin to throw his name into the mix with some of the greats, it gets ridiculous because even all of you bashing him will start to say he is great when the Cowboys win the SB with Romo......

[Old Tiger]

Vincent Paul Young > Cowboys > Superbowl > Canton

[Sweetwater Red]

I'm neither pro or anti Romo. But, here's an excerpt from an article I found. I'm surprised none of you Romo fans have mentioned this. I actually laughed when I rewinded and watched Carpenter rumbling towards the end zone. Hell, it seemed like he ran 60 yards to get 30 and Dallas still couldn't catch him.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7052185/upon-initial-review-week-4

Let's start with the idea that Romo somehow gifted the Lions 14 points by having two of his three interceptions returned for touchdowns. Go watch those plays again. It's one thing when a quarterback makes a terrible throw to the sideline and it gets jumped by an eager defender. That's a throw that invites a pick-six. The two interceptions that were returned for scores were both disappointing throws, but neither of them were totally on Romo. And if you watch the returns, you'll note that Bobby Carpenter and Chris Houston run through virtually the entire Cowboys offense en route to the score. The Houston pick came on a quick slant where Laurent Robinson quit on his route. There's nothing about those interceptions that forced the Cowboys to avoid making tackles, and assigning Romo all of the blame for those plays because the Cowboys didn't tackle is beyond unfair.

[bobcat1]

Vincent Paul Young > Cowboys > Superbowl > CantonNow that made me chuckle.

[Farmersfan]

I'm neither pro or anti Romo. But, here's an excerpt from an article I found. I'm surprised none of you Romo fans have mentioned this. I actually laughed when I rewinded and watched Carpenter rumbling towards the end zone. Hell, it seemed like he ran 60 yards to get 30 and Dallas still couldn't catch him.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7052185/upon-initial-review-week-4

Let's start with the idea that Romo somehow gifted the Lions 14 points by having two of his three interceptions returned for touchdowns. Go watch those plays again. It's one thing when a quarterback makes a terrible throw to the sideline and it gets jumped by an eager defender. That's a throw that invites a pick-six. The two interceptions that were returned for scores were both disappointing throws, but neither of them were totally on Romo. And if you watch the returns, you'll note that Bobby Carpenter and Chris Houston run through virtually the entire Cowboys offense en route to the score. The Houston pick came on a quick slant where Laurent Robinson quit on his route. There's nothing about those interceptions that forced the Cowboys to avoid making tackles, and assigning Romo all of the blame for those plays because the Cowboys didn't tackle is beyond unfair.


And all this means is more excuse making!

Even after the late game "collaspes" by the defense they are still ranked #1 in rush defense and #4 in pass defense through 4 games. In a normal game the offense does what it can do and the defense does what it can do and if they are able to be ahead afterwards then the Cowboys win. The defense isn't (or shouldn't be) expected to offset points given to the other team with turnovers! Just like the offense isn't expected to score a bunch of points because the defense can't do their jobs. The Lions averaged 34 points per game coming into this game and the Dallas defense held them to 20 total points. (14 points given by the offense unless you count the 3rd int which lead to another 7). It's kind of funny how if the defense has a horrible game and gives up 50 points nobody is stupid enough to say "This is the offenses fault for not scoring 51 points"! Anyone who blames the defense for this loss is looking to make Romo excuses, plain and simple! And everyone is claiming the defense collasped in the 4th and gave up 17 points so why aren't people also saying the offense collasped because they scored ZERO in the 4th? It's a total game experience and if the defense holds the other team below their average then they have done what they are supposed to do.

[Macarthur]

I'm neither pro or anti Romo. But, here's an excerpt from an article I found. I'm surprised none of you Romo fans have mentioned this. I actually laughed when I rewinded and watched Carpenter rumbling towards the end zone. Hell, it seemed like he ran 60 yards to get 30 and Dallas still couldn't catch him.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7052185/upon-initial-review-week-4

Let's start with the idea that Romo somehow gifted the Lions 14 points by having two of his three interceptions returned for touchdowns. Go watch those plays again. It's one thing when a quarterback makes a terrible throw to the sideline and it gets jumped by an eager defender. That's a throw that invites a pick-six. The two interceptions that were returned for scores were both disappointing throws, but neither of them were totally on Romo. And if you watch the returns, you'll note that Bobby Carpenter and Chris Houston run through virtually the entire Cowboys offense en route to the score. The Houston pick came on a quick slant where Laurent Robinson quit on his route. There's nothing about those interceptions that forced the Cowboys to avoid making tackles, and assigning Romo all of the blame for those plays because the Cowboys didn't tackle is beyond unfair.

The one to Robinson was on him. The primary responsibility of the WR on that slant is to cross in front of the DBs face. He absolutely has to do that. Robinson did not and he even said it was on him. Not making an excuse for Romo, but that just the way it is. Sometimes the WR isn't where the QB throws the ball.

The one to Carp was a very bad read and throw.

The last one was the right read, but very poor execution. Ball was underthrown.

These are all things that have been said by folks that played or coached. Not knucklehead fans.

[LionFan72]

No excuses accepted, this loss is squarely on Romo's and Garrett's shoulders! Piss poor execution by the QB, and less than adequate play selection by Offensive coordinator. You can play your what if games all you want, you can't deflect the fact Romo melted in a hot situation. Quit trying.

We as fans have been waiting for 3 excuse filled years for Romo to mature, the question now is how long before he grows into the professional QB he is paid to execute?

[GrTigers6]

And all this means is more excuse making!

Even after the late game "collaspes" by the defense they are still ranked #1 in rush defense and #4 in pass defense through 4 games. In a normal game the offense does what it can do and the defense does what it can do and if they are able to be ahead afterwards then the Cowboys win. The defense isn't (or shouldn't be) expected to offset points given to the other team with turnovers! Just like the offense isn't expected to score a bunch of points because the defense can't do their jobs. The Lions averaged 34 points per game coming into this game and the Dallas defense held them to 20 total points. (14 points given by the offense unless you count the 3rd int which lead to another 7). It's kind of funny how if the defense has a horrible game and gives up 50 points nobody is stupid enough to say "This is the offenses fault for not scoring 51 points"! Anyone who blames the defense for this loss is looking to make Romo excuses, plain and simple! And everyone is claiming the defense collasped in the 4th and gave up 17 points so why aren't people also saying the offense collasped because they scored ZERO in the 4th? It's a total game experience and if the defense holds the other team below their average then they have done what they are supposed to do.The offense scored 27 points, That should be enough to win. granted Romo's back to back INT's gave them back 14. But still at that point it is 27-17. And from there the defense got comfy and dint stop anyone. Missed tackles blown coverages etc. Very few blitzes, absolutely no pressure. Yes Romo's int's didnt help the situation but they are not the reason the cowboys lost the game. It was a combination of the int's, poor defense and poor execution on offense. So replacing Romo will not fix anything except cause more problems from lack of experience or lack of talent. They need to continue on with the staffing they have and try to put the past behind them. Then Figure out how to get a lead and keep it. Too many games won or lost by less than a TD.

[Farmersfan]

These are all things that have been said by folks that played or coached. Not knucklehead fans.


Funny how I have heard a lot of the exact opposite from a lot of players and coaches! Of course the receiver is supposed to knock down that errant pass from Romo. But that is AFTER THE FACT! Romo is supposed to read the coverage and not throw a pass to that receiver when the D-back is sitting in his lap. To blame a receiver for not bailing out the bad decision from the QB is a little ridiculous in my opinion. And what most of you guys aren't realizing is that even if Carpenter doesn't intercept that pass from Romo the D-back probably would have. He had Dez covered like a turtleneck sweater and that pass was never open. Norm Hitzges on The Ticket said basically the exact same things that I have been saying. You can't blame someone else for not bailing out a bad throw or bad read by the QB................. All 3 ints were 100% on Romo! All 5 ints and 3 lost fumbles so far this season are 100% on Romo. Of course receivers might have not been in the right place or might not have faught hard enough for the ball but if a defender is there to get the ball then it was a bad read on the QBs part. As bad as Jason Garrett gets at times he has no plays in his playbook that calls for a the defense to be in position to intercept the ball and the receiver to take it away from them. The lob or back shoulder throw to Dez in the endzone is designed to take advantage of Dez's size and ability but the throw is supposed to be thrown where the defense can't get it................ All throws are designed to be thrown so that the defense can't get it! anything else is a mistake by the QB. Not saying there weren't other mistakes made but that's like blaming the dog for going out a wide open gate. It just doesn't make a lot of sense!

[Farmersfan]

The offense scored 27 points, That should be enough to win. granted Romo's back to back INT's gave them back 14. But still at that point it is 27-17. And from there the defense got comfy and dint stop anyone. Missed tackles blown coverages etc. Very few blitzes, absolutely no pressure. Yes Romo's int's didnt help the situation but they are not the reason the cowboys lost the game. It was a combination of the int's, poor defense and poor execution on offense. So replacing Romo will not fix anything except cause more problems from lack of experience or lack of talent. They need to continue on with the staffing they have and try to put the past behind them. Then Figure out how to get a lead and keep it. Too many games won or lost by less than a TD.


And the defense held the Lions to 20 points and 300 total yards! Was that enough to win? both of those totals were way below the Lions season average. The illogical thing about this is that you are claiming the defense needed to do even better to overcome offensive mistakes. I heard it for an entire season in 09' when the defense was the #2 defense in the NFL and Romo couldn't get it done. and we are hearing again now. Of course we would love for our defense to be #1 in the NFL so we can have the luxury of throwing 2 pick sixes and still win the game against one of the highest scoring offenses in the league but that isn't reality. All we can hope for is that the defense does better than most other defense have managed to do against that team. And they did that. They did that well................. In this case the offense also did very well. Other than the 3 picks by Romo the Cowboys played a very good game considering their injuries and the new players.

[Eagle 1]

Even Romo accepts the fact that he blew it, so there is no need to take up for him.
Of course JJ still believes in him so he will continue to be the qb unless he gets injured.
I don't go to any of the games, but I wished our fans would start boy-cotting the home games. Of course there are just as many out there who hate the Cowboys and will pay to see them lose. But.....when that stadium gets more empty each week, maybe JJ will get the hint.

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ARLINGTON, Texas – Head coach Jason Garrett's "24-hour rule" will be hard to heed this week.

How can the Cowboys' second second-half meltdown of the season linger only one day? With the upcoming bye, they now have a full two weeks to digest just how they squandered a 24-point halftime lead in Sunday's improbable 34-30 loss to the Detroit Lions.

It marked the largest deficit a Cowboys opponent had ever overcome, surpassing the Washington Redskins' 21-point turnaround on Nov. 28, 1965. It also ties the largest blown lead by a home team in a regular season game in NFL history.

Once again, quarterback Tony Romo accepted the majority of blame. In the season opener, his fourth-quarter fumble and interception led to the New York Jets' 27-24 rally.

This time, leading 27-3 at the 12:27 mark of the third quarter, Romo threw three interceptions that led to 21 of the Lions' 31 points in the second half, including receiver Calvin Johnson's go-ahead 2-yard touchdown to take the lead for good with 1:39 remaining and the Cowboys out of timeouts.

"The games turn on turnovers. It's the most important stat there is in the game," Romo said. "It's my No. 1 job and I didn't do a well enough job of that today."
For the second straight week, the Lions (4-0) rallied from at least a 20-point deficit. The Cowboys (2-2) could have entered their bye tied with Washington (3-1) and the New York Giants (3-1) for the NFC East lead. Instead, they're .500 with an Oct. 16 trip to New England up next. The Patriots (3-1) are 67-12 at home since 2001, Tom Brady's first season as their starting quarterback.

"It's a 60-minute game; we know that," Garrett said. "We've played in a lot of these close games. We understand the importance of starting fast, finishing strong and playing well in the middle. We didn't do that today."

Garrett's guys did start strong. The Cowboys played their best half of the early season, dominating the Lions in first downs (14 to 7), total yards (260 to 118) and time of possession (18:40 to 11:20).

Then, the turnovers.

Romo didn't offer excuses for any of his three in the second half. The first was a high throw to the right sideline that good friend and former teammate Bobby Carpenter intercepted and returned 34 yards for a touchdown. One drive later, on Romo's second – a tight slant to receiver Laurent Robinson – Lions cornerback Chris Houston stayed inside on the coverage, intercepted it and returned it 56 yards for the score to make it 27-17.

The Cowboys scored only once more – a 23-yard Dan Bailey field goal – to regain a 30-17 lead. Ahead only 30-27 with 4:22 left, Romo gambled once more, throwing off his back foot to tight end Jason Witten over the middle.

Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch picked it off at the Cowboys' 40-yard line, setting up Johnson's second and winning TD.

"That was going to be a big one," Witten said of Romo's pass, citing no safety help to his side. "It looked like he had a little pressure. He said he left it short a little bit.

"If you see it, the 'Mike' linebacker really takes deep and the free safety – I don't know, maybe he's designed doing that – but there's a big hole over there and that's where I was at."

Romo finished 34-of-47 for 331 yards, with three touchdowns (two to receiver Dez Bryant, one to Witten) and three interceptions for an 86.4 rating. He took another pain-killing injection for his fractured rib before the game but said the injury had "no bearing" on his performance.

Romo's counterpart, Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford (21-of-43, 240 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT), was flustered by the Cowboys' attacking defense for much of the day. But he made critical plays late with solid field position; the Lions started their final two scoring drives on the Cowboys' 47- and 40-yard line.

"If you look at everything up to the fourth quarter, I really felt we dominated that game," linebacker Sean Lee said. "They had some success at the end. There were some plays that were just good plays. Calvin Johnson's a great wide receiver, but at the same time I felt we played a pretty good game."

Just not quite good enough, and now they'll have to think about it even longer. The team will practice twice this week, then have a few days off before preparing for the Patriots in earnest.

More time for the shouts of Romo's critics to intensify.

"We didn't get it done, but we've got a lot of faith in Romo," team owner/general manager Jerry Jones said. "This doesn't touch that.
"What can you say when you blow a lead like this? But we must and will look ahead."

Ahead to New England, their toughest challenge yet.

A long two weeks ahead indeed.

[Farmersfan]

T And from there the defense got comfy and dint stop anyone. Missed tackles blown coverages etc. Very few blitzes, absolutely no pressure.



You are aware that the offense also didn't do anything after that 27-3 lead, right?

[Txbroadcaster]

All 3 ints were 100% on Romo! All 5 ints and 3 lost fumbles so far this season are 100% on Romo. Of course receivers might have not been in the right place or might not have faught hard enough for the ball but if a defender is there to get the ball then it was a bad read on the QBs part.

***...Really??? You really are saying well if the WR ran the wrong route or stopped on it then it is the QB fault as well?...FF, please tell me your kidding...this is not back yard football where the QB can wait till guys are 3 feet wide open...If a wr is not in the correct spot how is the QB in the NFL supposed to know that? They throw to spots not to who is wide open. I have yet to see anyone say the throw to Robinson was on Romo, and that is even those in the press ready to jump on Romo for any little thing...Robinson did the number 1 bad thing on a slant route, he allowed the CB to cut the route off.

[GrTigers6]

And the defense held the Lions to 20 points and 300 total yards! Was that enough to win? both of those totals were way below the Lions season average. The illogical thing about this is that you are claiming the defense needed to do even better to overcome offensive mistakes. I heard it for an entire season in 09' when the defense was the #2 defense in the NFL and Romo couldn't get it done. and we are hearing again now. Of course we would love for our defense to be #1 in the NFL so we can have the luxury of throwing 2 pick sixes and still win the game against one of the highest scoring offenses in the league but that isn't reality. All we can hope for is that the defense does better than most other defense have managed to do against that team. And they did that. They did that well................. In this case the offense also did very well. Other than the 3 picks by Romo the Cowboys played a very good game considering their injuries and the new players.I didnt say do better I said continue what they had started. Just like the offense should have done. And the 3 int's were not the only problems in the second half. Dropped passes, bonehead play by Jones for running out of bounds on a forth down right after dropping a pass for a first down that would have made it easier to finish the last drive.
Im not downplaying romo at all, Just saying he isnt the only one at fault.
The other issue I had with the end of that game, Why not take the Interference penalty and move them out of field goal range instead of letting them kick a field goal to bring it within 3.
That one puzzled me.
Oh and one more thing is Detroit so called high powered offense hasnt played anyone until yesterday.
And yes I am a little more of a believer in them now. But still hesitant to be all in.

[TheDOCTORdre]

Is there another quarterback in the league that you would rather have trailing entering the fourth quarter, rather than leading? Maybe Dallas should tank the 1st three quarters of games and not give Romo a chance to throw the games away :D

[OldNavy]

I have not been a pro football fan for a number of years. I grew up a Cowboys fan because I was from the Dallas area and it was the thing to do after Friday and Saturday football. I have not been interested in the Cowboys for the last couple of years, not enthused by the owner, the coaches or the attitude of the players. I did not think they were competative. No spark, no heart maybe, but I didn't have high expectations and they lived up to those expectations. I did not have high expectations this year and they may live up to them again, but the three games I have seen, the Cowboys were competative and I enjoyed watching them. The D was flying to the ball and they were not giving up a lot of yards after the catch. The O was actually scoring some points. So, I think the Cowboys are competative this year. What do we have, a dozen points that are the difference between 4 and 0 and 0 and 4. Sounds competative to me.

Everything I have read about Sunday's loss indicates that it is still a team sport and therefore it is not one person's win or loss. Coaches are not perfect, QBs are not perfect, blockers, tacklers, runners and catchers are not perfect. They try and get there, they try and get an edge. For the first time in several years I see a team that looks like it is trying to get there. There is effort and I would even say character on this team, yea even Romo. I may watch some more.

[bobcat1]

I have not been a pro football fan for a number of years. I grew up a Cowboys fan because I was from the Dallas area and it was the thing to do after Friday and Saturday football. I have not been interested in the Cowboys for the last couple of years, not enthused by the owner, the coaches or the attitude of the players. I did not think they were competative. No spark, no heart maybe, but I didn't have high expectations and they lived up to those expectations. I did not have high expectations this year and they may live up to them again, but the three games I have seen, the Cowboys were competative and I enjoyed watching them. The D was flying to the ball and they were not giving up a lot of yards after the catch. The O was actually scoring some points. So, I think the Cowboys are competative this year. What do we have, a dozen points that are the difference between 4 and 0 and 0 and 4. Sounds competative to me.

Everything I have read about Sunday's loss indicates that it is still a team sport and therefore it is not one person's win or loss. Coaches are not perfect, QBs are not perfect, blockers, tacklers, runners and catchers are not perfect. They try and get there, they try and get an edge. For the first time in several years I see a team that looks like it is trying to get there. There is effort and I would even say character on this team, yea even Romo. I may watch some more.You made some good points ON. It may make me re-evaluate my own thoughts. I'm a Cowboy fan through and through and that won't ever change. I do get ticked off when I see what I saw yesterday. It appeared Detroit had all but given up and then were given a little spark and the Lions still did not believe but after the second spark they did and they played with a desire to win. Dallas gave that back to them in the 3rd quarter when the Cowboys played a little softer than they did in the first half. I still say Dallas let down even before half-time.
I'll be ready to watch and root for them again in 2 weeks though. One of these days they will get it right 4 quarters for each of the 20 or so games in the regular season and playoffs.

[Eagle 1]

Everything I have read about Sunday's loss indicates that it is still a team sport and therefore it is not one person's win or loss.



Did you even read the article I posted from the Dallas Cowboys website?

I quote:
"The games turn on turnovers. It's the most important stat there is in the game," Romo said. "It's my No. 1 job and I didn't do a well enough job of that today."

Now I agree it's a team sport, but you don't win many games your qb throws two pick 6 interceptions.
I would rather McGee be throwing those interceptions and possibly learning from them then I would to see Romo, who has been in the league for a while and apologizing for them. Maybe that's just me.

[OldNavy]

Did you even read the article I posted from the Dallas Cowboys website?

I quote:
"The games turn on turnovers. It's the most important stat there is in the game," Romo said. "It's my No. 1 job and I didn't do a well enough job of that today."

Now I agree it's a team sport, but you don't win many games your qb throws two pick 6 interceptions.
I would rather McGee be throwing those interceptions and possibly learning from them then I would to see Romo, who has been in the league for a while and apologizing for them. Maybe that's just me.

I'm not blaming, defending or absolving anyone, I did not watch the game. I am interested in seeing this team again and that is an interest I have not had for awhile. I think there is a spark there. I may watch to see if it turns into fire. In other words, instead of loosing faith in the Cowboy (I haven't had any for some time) I like something about their play this year. Can't explain it. You won't hurt my feelings if you don't like 'em or think their QB can't play. I am just telling you that there is a difference this year weather they achieve or not, I don't know yet and I am willing to watch some more.

[Eagle 1]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard Cowboy fan too, just not a Romo fan.
And, yea I'm a glutton (sp?) for punishment so I'll probably watch them too. lol.

[Emerson1]

There is not stupider fan base then that of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Eagle 1]

There is not stupider fan base then that of the Dallas Cowboys.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[Emerson1]

Because it's a bunch of morons in this thread with just one or two who have a clue. I gave up when I read people thinking players would actually throw a 2-2 season to get a better draft pick. Give me a beak and get a clue.

[Eagle 1]

Because it's a bunch of morons in this thread with just one or two who have a clue. I gave up when I read people thinking players would actually throw a 2-2 season to get a better draft pick. Give me a beak and get a clue.

Well enlighten us. While your at it, call the Cowboys organization and enlighten them too.
Just because you don't believe others opinions, it doesn't make them wrong.
Your what, 19-21....so go ahead and elighten us with all that knowledge.

[LionFan72]

Because it's a bunch of morons in this thread with just one or two who have a clue. I gave up when I read people thinking players would actually throw a 2-2 season to get a better draft pick. Give me a beak and get a clue.

You are granted a beak, no stop that incessant quacking! :stirpot::wave:

[Farmersfan]

There is not stupider fan base then that of the Dallas Cowboys.



Somehow I would expect a comment like this from you. And it's not our fault we weren't blessed with your knowledge and insight when we were barely out of our teens!!!! :crazy:

[AP Panther Fan]

Down right pitiful!!! Even the cheerleaders looked bad.


:spitlol:

Funniest post on this thread, well this and the International Choking Sign....lol.

[Farmersfan]

***...Really??? You really are saying well if the WR ran the wrong route or stopped on it then it is the QB fault as well?...FF, please tell me your kidding...this is not back yard football where the QB can wait till guys are 3 feet wide open...If a wr is not in the correct spot how is the QB in the NFL supposed to know that? They throw to spots not to who is wide open. I have yet to see anyone say the throw to Robinson was on Romo, and that is even those in the press ready to jump on Romo for any little thing...Robinson did the number 1 bad thing on a slant route, he allowed the CB to cut the route off.



You know what TXB? It's comments like this that make me believe that you really don't know as much about football as you like to pretend. Every single passing play in the NFL requires a QB read! There are no BLIND passes. Even "throwing to a spot" in a timing offense requires a pre-snap read and a pre-throw read by the QB. Example: If a out route is called for a receiver and the defender is playing a outside-in technique the QB cannot throw that pass and must go to the second read in the progression. As I understand it the quick slant pattern is normally never a called play but a audible play based on what the QB sees from the coverage when they line up. If the defender is playing inside technique and playing fairly tight coverage that tells every QB in the league the slant pattern will be running right into the cornerbacks coverage. Now go back and watch that play again. The defender was 5 yard off the line of scrimmage and playing the slant pass because he had safety help over the top. The pass should have never been thrown and Jason Garrett said those exact same words in his press conference yesterday. He called it a bad decision on Romo's part. And he said the Barbie Carpenter int was also a very bad decision. Even if Romo get's it over Carpenters head as he said he tried to do it is very likely the cornerback gets the int instead of Carpenter because that play was blanketed and was never close to being open. The only interception thrown by Romo on Sunday that was a execution issue was the last one that was under thrown and Garrett called that one a bad decision because of the game situation and because Romo threw the ball falling back and off his back foot which caused it to be under thrown. If it's thrown out in front it is a huge gain and a great play. So to address your post, I am not kidding! The QB can't control what the receiver does but he can control what he does. Throwing into double coverage and into tight coverage means the QB didn't read the defense properly from the beginning. It happens all the time and no QB can be perfect but when they aren't perfect and make the mistakes they are the one's responsible for those mistakes. Nobody else!

[Emerson1]

Somehow I would expect a comment like this from you. And it's not our fault we weren't blessed with your knowledge and insight when we were barely out of our teens!!!! :crazy:
I am using it while I can before I become senile. You aren't as bad as eagle 1, that guy for years on this site has not known what he is talking about.

[Txbroadcaster]

You know what TXB? It's comments like this that make me believe that you really don't know as much about football as you like to pretend. Every single passing play in the NFL requires a QB read! There are no BLIND passes. Even "throwing to a spot" in a timing offense requires a pre-snap read and a pre-throw read by the QB. Example: If a out route is called for a receiver and the defender is playing a outside-in technique the QB cannot throw that pass and must go to the second read in the progression. As I understand it the quick slant pattern is normally never a called play but a audible play based on what the QB sees from the coverage when they line up. If the defender is playing inside technique and playing fairly tight coverage that tells every QB in the league the slant pattern will be running right into the cornerbacks coverage. Now go back and watch that play again. The defender was 5 yard off the line of scrimmage and playing the slant pass because he had safety help over the top. The pass should have never been thrown and Jason Garrett said those exact same words in his press conference yesterday. He called it a bad decision on Romo's part. And he said the Barbie Carpenter int was also a very bad decision. Even if Romo get's it over Carpenters head as he said he tried to do it is very likely the cornerback gets the int instead of Carpenter because that play was blanketed and was never close to being open. The only interception thrown by Romo on Sunday that was a execution issue was the last one that was under thrown and Garrett called that one a bad decision because of the game situation and because Romo threw the ball falling back and off his back foot which caused it to be under thrown. If it's thrown out in front it is a huge gain and a great play. So to address your post, I am not kidding! The QB can't control what the receiver does but he can control what he does. Throwing into double coverage and into tight coverage means the QB didn't read the defense properly from the beginning. It happens all the time and no QB can be perfect but when they aren't perfect and make the mistakes they are the one's responsible for those mistakes. Nobody else!

The Dallas offense had been killing the Lions with the Slant..and I have never heard a slant route is just an audible, Aikman and irvin lived on the slant route...the Lion CB did a great job of seeing the play and cutting off the route. simple as that..fans of teams IMO forget the other team does do good things and not every bad thing is simply a mistake by "our" team

Pre snap reads dont always mean that is what they are doing..teams disguise coverage all the time by showing one thing, but doing another

[Cowboy_Up]

I'm not a cowboy fan, far from it in fact. But IMO Romo is a lightning rod for all things that have to do with the 'boys, good or bad. Yeah, he's a big part of the team, but he's not the team.

Does anyone think Tom Landrey or Parcells lose that game? Up 24 and throwing picks for TDs? Both of those coaches would have been happy to run the ball, get a 1st down here and there, eat some clock, play some bend but don't break D, give up a score or two, probably FGs, and chalk up a win. I guess Garrett wanted to win by 40. Good teams win playing boring football most of the time. The Cowboys like to keep it exciting.

[Macarthur]

You know what TXB? It's comments like this that make me believe that you really don't know as much about football as you like to pretend. Every single passing play in the NFL requires a QB read! There are no BLIND passes. Even "throwing to a spot" in a timing offense requires a pre-snap read and a pre-throw read by the QB. Example: If a out route is called for a receiver and the defender is playing a outside-in technique the QB cannot throw that pass and must go to the second read in the progression. As I understand it the quick slant pattern is normally never a called play but a audible play based on what the QB sees from the coverage when they line up. If the defender is playing inside technique and playing fairly tight coverage that tells every QB in the league the slant pattern will be running right into the cornerbacks coverage. Now go back and watch that play again. The defender was 5 yard off the line of scrimmage and playing the slant pass because he had safety help over the top. The pass should have never been thrown and Jason Garrett said those exact same words in his press conference yesterday. He called it a bad decision on Romo's part. And he said the Barbie Carpenter int was also a very bad decision. Even if Romo get's it over Carpenters head as he said he tried to do it is very likely the cornerback gets the int instead of Carpenter because that play was blanketed and was never close to being open. The only interception thrown by Romo on Sunday that was a execution issue was the last one that was under thrown and Garrett called that one a bad decision because of the game situation and because Romo threw the ball falling back and off his back foot which caused it to be under thrown. If it's thrown out in front it is a huge gain and a great play. So to address your post, I am not kidding! The QB can't control what the receiver does but he can control what he does. Throwing into double coverage and into tight coverage means the QB didn't read the defense properly from the beginning. It happens all the time and no QB can be perfect but when they aren't perfect and make the mistakes they are the one's responsible for those mistakes. Nobody else!

I disagree with several points in this. First, I do not believe it's the case that a slant is 'normally' an audible. There's absolutely no way to know this with any certainty due to so many different systems.

Second, as someone said Aikman threw that slant hundreds of times and many times he threw even if the CB had inside positon. The slant route is one of the safest routes to run. It is the WR's responsiblity to cross the face of the DB. Period. I have heard 5 'football people' on the radio and TV the last two days say the exact same thing. The overwhelming opinion by those that look at tape is that the WR was at fault there. If you use this same criteria for QB's making and not making throws, the QB will never let go. That first TD to Dez should not have been thrown? There was nothing wrong with the coverage. The WR just made a play. So many times, the QB has to depend on the WR making a play.

Next, the Carp INT was definately the worst from the standpoint of read and execution. Bad read & Bad execution. The Last one was the right read, but poor execution.

Lastly, I was only able to listen to part of the Garrett press conference, but I did not hear him put that throw on Tony. Can you post a transcript of him saying this? That type of quote sounds very much unlike Garrett. He does not make a habit of throwing players under the bus, especially his QB.

[Eagle 1]

I am using it while I can before I become senile. You aren't as bad as eagle 1, that guy for years on this site has not known what he is talking about.

I raised three boys, and now that they are getting older they are starting to realize that dad may just know what he is talking about.
As for you, I could care less what you think of me......sonny BOY. :wave:

[Eagle 1]

You know what TXB? It's comments like this that make me believe that you really don't know as much about football as you like to pretend.

Let me add another comment that convinces me he don't.


Originally Posted by Txbroadcaster
All the talk about running the ball means being tougher, more physical..but the Slot T and the wishbone arent about toughness or being big mean strong O-linemen..they are misdirection angle blocking offenses.:crazy:


I'm pretty sure Coach Proffitt knows what he is talking about.



"It's just a more physical type of game in the trenches," said Proffitt, who enters this week with a 234-80-3 coaching record, with five title game appearances and championships in 1993, 1994 and 2009.

[bobcat1]

I am using it while I can before I become senile. You aren't as bad as eagle 1, that guy for years on this site has not known what he is talking about. :rolleyes::tisk:

I raised three boys, and now that they are getting older they are starting to realize that dad may just know what he is talking about.
As for you, I could care less what you think of me......sonny BOY. :wave: :spitlol:

[Txbroadcaster]

Let me add another comment that convinces me he don't.

:crazy:


I'm pretty sure Coach Proffitt knows what he is talking about.


The wishbone is not fire off the ball drive the defense 5 yards off the ball...you need quick lineman because they will use a bunch of reach blocking technique and get out in space a bunch and angle block

yes it is more physical then most spread schemes but it is not a man on man slobberknocker blocking scheme


Air Force, navy and Army all use the basic same scheme and they are not big hulking monster O-lineman..they are using their size, leverage


i can show u my Bellard signed book on blocking for the wishbone...it is a great read

[Eagle 1]

The wishbone is not fire off the ball drive the defense 5 yards off the ball...you need quick lineman because they will use a bunch of reach blocking technique and get out in space a bunch and angle block

yes it is more physical then most spread schemes but it is not a man on man slobberknocker blocking scheme


Air Force, navy and Army all use the basic same scheme and they are not big hulking monster O-lineman..they are using their size, leverage


i can show u my Bellard signed book on blocking for the wishbone...it is a great read

Dude, I played for Coach Proffitt and I am telling you, you are full of crap. I don't care who signed what book, I was in the trenches.
Using size and leverage is a part of ANY blocking scheme, and not just the wishbone offense. It is an assigned blocking scheme offense, man on man. Sometimes we run the same exact play, just block it differently depending on the defense. Most coaches don't know this is one of Proffitts secrets to success.

[Txbroadcaster]

Dude, I played for Coach Proffitt and I am telling you, you are full of crap. I don't care who signed what book, I was in the trenches.
Using size and leverage is a part of ANY blocking scheme, and not just the wishbone offense. It is an assigned blocking scheme offense, man on man. Sometimes we run the same exact play, just block it differently depending on the defense. Most coaches don't know this is one of Proffitts secrets to success.

Then he used variations on the blocking( which would not be surprising)..I just know the way I have seen it taught by more than one team...but just like the any offense a coach will take the basic design and tinker to find what they like

[GrTigers6]

Dude, I played for Coach Proffitt and I am telling you, you are full of crap. I don't care who signed what book, I was in the trenches.
Using size and leverage is a part of ANY blocking scheme, and not just the wishbone offense. It is an assigned blocking scheme offense, man on man. Sometimes we run the same exact play, just block it differently depending on the defense. Most coaches don't know this is one of Proffitts secrets to success.Hey I played against coach Proffitt. But he coached for so long there, we probably didnt play each other. 84-87

[bobcat1]

Hey I played against coach Proffitt. But he coached for so long there, we probably didnt play each other. 84-87 Eagle 1 ain't that young!LOL!

[Tejastrue]

Kinda got away from the topic of the thread here. How about what the "mad flasher" himself had to say about Romo....


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Chris-Cooley-enjoys-Tony-Romo-8217-s-foibles-w?urn=nfl-wp8665

[regaleagle]

Okay, the first quarter of the regular season is in the books. That leaves our bye week and 75% of the season left. Let's give Romo and the Boys an opportunity to finish the season before we pull out the BarBQue sauce. I'm disappointed, too. But I've also been a Cowboy fan since inception. A Cowboy fan thru thick and thin. Just like a Rangers fan since inception...thru thick and thin. I'm supporting our qb Tony Romo this season thru thick and thin. At the end of the season we can re-evaluate what should or should not be done--not after 4 games.

[Tejastrue]

Okay, the first quarter of the regular season is in the books. That leaves our bye week and 75% of the season left. Let's give Romo and the Boys an opportunity to finish the season before we pull out the BarBQue sauce. I'm disappointed, too. But I've also been a Cowboy fan since inception. A Cowboy fan thru thick and thin. Just like a Rangers fan since inception...thru thick and thin. I'm supporting our qb Tony Romo this season thru thick and thin. At the end of the season we can re-evaluate what should or should not be done--not after 4 games.

What's up with the font???

[Macarthur]

Okay, the first quarter of the regular season is in the books. That leaves our bye week and 75% of the season left. Let's give Romo and the Boys an opportunity to finish the season before we pull out the BarBQue sauce. I'm disappointed, too. But I've also been a Cowboy fan since inception. A Cowboy fan thru thick and thin. Just like a Rangers fan since inception...thru thick and thin. I'm supporting our qb Tony Romo this season thru thick and thin. At the end of the season we can re-evaluate what should or should not be done--not after 4 games.

This.

With the youth in the OL, new defensive scheme, injuries, etc., I think the general feeling was that if we could get to the bye 2-2 and get healthy, we would be in good shape. Well, that happened. Granted, the two wins and two losses certainly didn't go the way anyone would expect, but I think we are in a good spot. I think the really positive story that is getting buried here is that the young OL is actually playing fairly well and they should get better as the season goes along.

The Giants are playing pretty well, but how long can they maintain this with their injury situation? The Eagles have issues that I think goes to the core and are not fixable during the season. The Skins have Grossman and I don't think over the long haul he will be able to keep them too much above .500. This division is very winnable.

Let's not forget that in 2009, Romo started out that season in a rough way against the Giants. He went on to only throw 6 INTs the rest of the year and have a very efficient season. I don't know if that will happen, but he has shown that he can go extended periods of time with relatively error free play.

Let's all take a deep breath and back away from the ledge. I know it's hard after the kick to the groin we just got, but the NFL season is long and lots of crazy stuff happens. Let's just let this think play out.

[Farmersfan]

The Dallas offense had been killing the Lions with the Slant..and I have never heard a slant route is just an audible, Aikman and irvin lived on the slant route...the Lion CB did a great job of seeing the play and cutting off the route. simple as that..fans of teams IMO forget the other team does do good things and not every bad thing is simply a mistake by "our" team

Pre snap reads dont always mean that is what they are doing..teams disguise coverage all the time by showing one thing, but doing another



Sorry for the delayed responses. I had jury duty all week last week so have a lot of work to catch up on.

I just have to say I don't disagree with any of what say except for the part where it's not the QBs fault. It is true that a pre snap read doesn't always tell a QB what the defense will do as you said. But if the pre snap read is not right then it's a mistake by the QB! Maybe not an intentional mistake but still a mistake if he reads wrong or gets fooled by the defense. Why is that so hard to understand? And how does Aikman and Irvin "living on the slant route" prove anything? Aikman was a master of reading the defenses and he and Irvin were always on the same page. If the defense gave Aikman the look he wanted he went to the slant and Irvin was great at making that catch.
And nobody ever said the defense doesn't make a good play when a int occurs TXB. But considering every single play is designed to NOT allow the other team to get the ball then it can only be a mistake when it does. That mistake is prevented or allowed by how the QB reads and reacts. And for the most part everyone understands that mistakes happen and when the defense makes an outstanding play although it is still a mistake by the QB it is understandable. That is not the case in any of Romo's recent mistakes. They were all bad reads or bad throws. That slant throw traveled 6 yards only and the defender moved no more than 1 step between the time Romo let the ball fly and the int was made. (maybe 1/100 of a second). It's not like the ball was in the air for 2 seconds and the defender was able to make a read and react. Of course the receiver also made a mistake by not knocking the ball down or properly crossing the defenders face but
again I have to say that is after the fact. If you are cooking in your house and catch it on fire, is it the fireman's fault it burns down because they weren't able to put out the fire? Seems pretty simple to me.

[Macarthur]

That is not the case in any of Romo's recent mistakes. They were all bad reads or bad throws.

That is simply not true. I have heard no less than 5 football people on the TV and radio this week say that slant was on the WR for not crossing the face of the DB. That is the cardinal rule for the WR's on slant routes. His first INT was both a bad read and throw. The last was a good read, but a poor throw.

And if you want to include previous games, you putting the one against the 49ers on Romo or Ogletree?