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Saggy Aggie
09-22-2011, 10:52 PM
So I was looking at my girlfriend's paycheck after she told me her check was only 36$ for 2 weeks (waitress with 50-60 hours @ 2 something an hour should be over 100$). This clearly didnt sound right, so I looked at it, and sure enough, she had 61 hours @ 2 and some change per hour which totaled 131 something. Total taxes and medicaid and whatnot taken out was 93$ so she got to keep 36 out of the 131 she earned (29% take home and 71% to the gov't).


I know when I was working, MAYBE 25% was coming out of my check. Why is she losing so much of her money, or is this standard for everyone now??? :ack!:

turbostud
09-22-2011, 11:01 PM
Probably because of her W4. If they withhold taxes at a single rate, more money comes out but you get more back at tax time. If you file married they withhold less but you get less back at tax time. Also depends on how many dependents you claim on the W4
My wife just had to fill hers out again. She just started working again after finishing her masters degree and filled out the W4 wrong. They withheld 600 bucks in taxes alone on her first paycheck because she didnt claim any dependents.

the genious
09-22-2011, 11:07 PM
And waittresses get money taken out from credit card transactions.. Many waitresses get $0 checks

OldBison75
09-22-2011, 11:09 PM
If she has to report her tips to her employer, they take out taxes on those reported tips also. My daughter is a waitress and has a similar situation--she reports only 50% of her tips to minimize how much is taken out of her check.

eagles_victory
09-23-2011, 01:32 AM
As said above, waiting and waitressing is very different most of my friends who wait do get 0 dollar checks. Where does she work at because I know some people who work at places in Cstat who have similar complaints.

poisoned10
09-23-2011, 02:00 AM
As stated earlier, taxes are taken out of the tips. The only way to get those tax dollars is to withhold it from your check. Which is why you have to claim your tips.

I used to average about $600 a week when I bartender at applebees and I would claim only $300-$400 of it. My checks would be about $20 dollars every 2 weeks.

Farmersfan
09-23-2011, 08:31 AM
I have several friend who have made a career out of bartending and they frequently get close to zero dollar paychecks. They drive nicer vehicles than I can afford, dress in far nicer clothes and always seem to have more money in the bank than I have. All this on paychecks that often amount to 0.00.................. Hummmmmmm, I wonder! :)

Saggy Aggie
09-23-2011, 09:10 AM
yeah she definitely has to report her tips, and she she cant get away with not reporting some of them. Her manager checks her tips on every table she waits.

It makes sense now that the taxes on her tips are coming out of her check, so thats why it seems so inflated. Opposed to a 0$ check, the 36$ doesn't look too bad lol

Black_Magic
09-27-2011, 09:10 AM
So I was looking at my girlfriend's paycheck after she told me her check was only 36$ for 2 weeks (waitress with 50-60 hours @ 2 something an hour should be over 100$). This clearly didnt sound right, so I looked at it, and sure enough, she had 61 hours @ 2 and some change per hour which totaled 131 something. Total taxes and medicaid and whatnot taken out was 93$ so she got to keep 36 out of the 131 she earned (29% take home and 71% to the gov't).
I know when I was working, MAYBE 25% was coming out of my check. Why is she losing so much of her money, or is this standard for everyone now??? :ack!:too bad she is not a millionare making bucks in the stock market. she would keep 85% and the Government would only get 15%..

Emerson1
09-27-2011, 04:29 PM
too bad she is not a millionare making bucks in the stock market. she would keep 85% and the Government would only get 15%..

She isn't contributing millions in investments either.

She needs to search around for a new job. Reporting 100% of tips? I've never heard of a manager being such a tightwad that they make their employees do that. Heck I knew a girl that didn't report any of her cash tips.

Black_Magic
09-28-2011, 08:46 AM
She isn't contributing millions in investments either.

She needs to search around for a new job. Reporting 100% of tips? I've never heard of a manager being such a tightwad that they make their employees do that. Heck I knew a girl that didn't report any of her cash tips. so let me get this right.. IF you make Millions in the stock market you should get a free pass.. but if you are a plumber or waitress youy should pay up?? OK....

BleedOrange
09-28-2011, 04:02 PM
so let me get this right.. IF you make Millions in the stock market you should get a free pass.. but if you are a plumber or waitress youy should pay up?? OK....

I would venture to say a majority of waitresses have zero tax liability and a majority of plumbers effective tax rates are than the 15% capital gains rate. Your statement is specious at best. I am sure if you had your way 75% of the people would pay nothing and the remaining 25% would fund everyone else. I guess that your interpretation of "fairness". In case you weren't aware, the money being invested has already been taxed. How many time does it need to be taxed and at what rate? Lets make sure its high enough so no one wants to put their capital at risk and see where that gets us.

Saggy Aggie
09-28-2011, 04:39 PM
She isn't contributing millions in investments either.

She needs to search around for a new job. Reporting 100% of tips? I've never heard of a manager being such a tightwad that they make their employees do that. Heck I knew a girl that didn't report any of her cash tips. yeah she has to report every tip that she makes and it has to be 'approved by the manager' if it's more than 30%. Every 100$ in tips she makes, 3$ goes to the some community crap that then goes to bus boys and such.

Black_Magic
09-29-2011, 07:49 AM
I would venture to say a majority of waitresses have zero tax liability and a majority of plumbers effective tax rates are than the 15% capital gains rate. Your statement is specious at best. I am sure if you had your way 75% of the people would pay nothing and the remaining 25% would fund everyone else. I guess that your interpretation of "fairness". In case you weren't aware, the money being invested has already been taxed. How many time does it need to be taxed and at what rate? Lets make sure its high enough so no one wants to put their capital at risk and see where that gets us.

Well Lets see why she is taxed at a low rate ( But Still higher than the Hedge fund manager who is a millionare )... She makes income that puts her right at or just above the POVERTY LEVEL.... Why are so many people there at the POVERY LEVEL??? NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WORKING.. many folks are working thier buns off for very little pay. CEO Pay and Wall street folks are taking more and more of the pie. On top of that they pay LESS Percentage of thier income than the Plumber or Waitress! WOW!!! and you think thats Fair? Look. FACT is that the capital gains and the top marginal income rates are the lowest in the history of the US and have been for 10 years now thanks to BUSH.. SO , where are the Jobs?? Corporate profits are through the roof.. Why is it that workers are not getting payed more if Company profits are so high?? Because the CEOs and hedge fund folks are taking it all and on top of that BOUGHT Tea Party politicians to Keep thier taxes LOWER than the middle class... Class warfare??? Ha ha ha ha.. Poor old millionares.. getting picked on...

BleedOrange
09-29-2011, 10:25 AM
Well Lets see why she is taxed at a low rate ( But Still higher than the Hedge fund manager who is a millionare )... She makes income that puts her right at or just above the POVERTY LEVEL.... Why are so many people there at the POVERY LEVEL??? NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WORKING.. many folks are working thier buns off for very little pay. CEO Pay and Wall street folks are taking more and more of the pie. On top of that they pay LESS Percentage of thier income than the Plumber or Waitress! WOW!!! and you think thats Fair? Look. FACT is that the capital gains and the top marginal income rates are the lowest in the history of the US and have been for 10 years now thanks to BUSH.. SO , where are the Jobs?? Corporate profits are through the roof.. Why is it that workers are not getting payed more if Company profits are so high?? Because the CEOs and hedge fund folks are taking it all and on top of that BOUGHT Tea Party politicians to Keep thier taxes LOWER than the middle class... Class warfare??? Ha ha ha ha.. Poor old millionares.. getting picked on...

Now that's down right priceless but inaccurate. Please read my original post. The waitress most likely has an effective tax rate of 0% like approximately 50% of the country. So from your perspective the waitress should take more from others without any contribution. Everyone should contribute something. Why don't we all pay the same rate. Now that is the definition of "fair". What isn't fair is that 10% of the populace pays for the majority. I acknowledge there are those who need help but to rely on the Gov't for this purpose is pure lunacy. Keep the money in the private sector and the economy booms and donations/contributions to charitable organizations increase. These are the entities (churches, Red Cross, etc.) that provide the most help for those who are truly in need. As to demonizing corporate profits, I have never seen a job created without corporate profits involved at some level. Think about that one for a while and once you figure it out you may come back from the world of being an idealogue.

Black_Magic
09-29-2011, 11:14 AM
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Now that's down right priceless but inaccurate. Please read my original post. The waitress most likely has an effective tax rate of 0% like approximately 50% of the country. So from your perspective the waitress should take more from others without any contribution. Everyone should contribute something. Why don't we all pay the same rate. Now that is the definition of "fair". What isn't fair is that 10% of the populace pays for the majority. I acknowledge there are those who need help but to rely on the Gov't for this purpose is pure lunacy. Keep the money in the private sector and the economy booms and donations/contributions to charitable organizations increase. These are the entities (churches, Red Cross, etc.) that provide the most help for those who are truly in need. As to demonizing corporate profits, I have never seen a job created without corporate profits involved at some level. Think about that one for a while and once you figure it out you may come back from the world of being an idealogue. I will pick this apart piece by piece.
1) a person who works 40 hours a week and makes minimum wage is NOT Relying on the Government. A person working 40 hours a week should not be making wages that leave them at the poverty level. Its not right and they are being taken advantage of. The At least SOME in our government see this and provide deductions to try to make up for the inequty in society that should not be there. Is it because the companies cant afford to pay a deicent wage?? NO of course not Profits are high. compesation is low by choice of the owners and CEOs.. Folks are working hard out there right now but wages are flat... But proffits are through the roof. RECORD HIGHS.. WERE ARE THE JOBS? your the one who is an idealogue here.the top 1% take home 20% of all the money! just 25 years ago that same 1% took home 10% of the money.. keep going and we have them taking home 30%,40%... when do you say its enough before the governments steps in and make sure they at least pay fair taxes.???
2) The Tax rates for the wealthy and Corporations have been lowered already.. Remember BUSH?? 10 years ago!! AGAIN I say where are the JOBS??? If your philosophy worked we would have full employment and wages would be UP .. The opposite is true today so your TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DONT WORK.. Proof is in the pudding.

If What you say is True, then we would should be in the bigest economic boom in our nations hisrory. Acording to this chart the wealthy and corporations pay the fewest amount in history. You know the 1950s were the best economic time we ever had.. so why if the tax policies were so bad were times so good???http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w0-hQiQm9UM/Tf687VyOjNI/AAAAAAAAB0s/Fvp_Sq4SJmo/s1600/tax.png267

BleedOrange
09-29-2011, 02:45 PM
267 I will pick this apart piece by piece.
1) a person who works 40 hours a week and makes minimum wage is NOT Relying on the Government. A person working 40 hours a week should not be making wages that leave them at the poverty level. Its not right and they are being taken advantage of. The At least SOME in our government see this and provide deductions to try to make up for the inequty in society that should not be there. Is it because the companies cant afford to pay a deicent wage?? NO of course not Profits are high. compesation is low by choice of the owners and CEOs.. Folks are working hard out there right now but wages are flat... But proffits are through the roof. RECORD HIGHS.. WERE ARE THE JOBS? your the one who is an idealogue here.the top 1% take home 20% of all the money! just 25 years ago that same 1% took home 10% of the money.. keep going and we have them taking home 30%,40%... when do you say its enough before the governments steps in and make sure they at least pay fair taxes.???
2) The Tax rates for the wealthy and Corporations have been lowered already.. Remember BUSH?? 10 years ago!! AGAIN I say where are the JOBS??? If your philosophy worked we would have full employment and wages would be UP .. The opposite is true today so your TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DONT WORK.. Proof is in the pudding.

If What you say is True, then we would should be in the bigest economic boom in our nations hisrory. Acording to this chart the wealthy and corporations pay the fewest amount in history. You know the 1950s were the best economic time we ever had.. so why if the tax policies were so bad were times so good???http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w0-hQiQm9UM/Tf687VyOjNI/AAAAAAAAB0s/Fvp_Sq4SJmo/s1600/tax.png267

1. Again you are factually incorrect. If you work 40 hours per week as an individual at minimum wage your are above the census bureau poverty level. While you espouse the philosophy of Marx you fail to acknowledge the failures of said philosophy.....USSR, Cuba, etc. In fact, look at Europe its socialist agenda/practices is leaving it on the verge of economic collapse (Greece is alrady there). I truly believe anyone who is willing to work hard can be a success in this country unlike those of the socialist mindset. I acknowledge there are those who make more than others which I have absolutely no problem with. Its called capitalism, get used to it as its not going anywhere despite the efforts of some. To answer your question "who is the idealogue here", your statements make it quite clear.

2. You answer lies in your ability to fully understand that jobs are created as a result of the success (and yes those evil profits) of business. Absent profit you have no growth and no jobs. Also, say what you want about Bush but the tax cuts were wise and additional tax cuts along with deregulation are needed to get this economy moving in the right direction. We have one of the highest corporate tax structures in the world which is driving jobs away. Make the playing field level and allow the private sector to compete and the boom will come. Trickle down economics as you like to call it works and has been proven to work. You are correct "proof is in the pudding" which is why your socialistic ideas/theories have been proven to not work all over the world. Again, please look at Europe, USSR, Cuba, etc.

Black_Magic
09-29-2011, 08:57 PM
1. Again you are factually incorrect. If you work 40 hours per week as an individual at minimum wage your are above the census bureau poverty level. While you espouse the philosophy of Marx you fail to acknowledge the failures of said philosophy.....USSR, Cuba, etc. In fact, look at Europe its socialist agenda/practices is leaving it on the verge of economic collapse (Greece is alrady there). I truly believe anyone who is willing to work hard can be a success in this country unlike those of the socialist mindset. I acknowledge there are those who make more than others which I have absolutely no problem with. Its called capitalism, get used to it as its not going anywhere despite the efforts of some. To answer your question "who is the idealogue here", your statements make it quite clear.

2. You answer lies in your ability to fully understand that jobs are created as a result of the success (and yes those evil profits) of business. Absent profit you have no growth and no jobs. Also, say what you want about Bush but the tax cuts were wise and additional tax cuts along with deregulation are needed to get this economy moving in the right direction. We have one of the highest corporate tax structures in the world which is driving jobs away. Make the playing field level and allow the private sector to compete and the boom will come. Trickle down economics as you like to call it works and has been proven to work. You are correct "proof is in the pudding" which is why your socialistic ideas/theories have been proven to not work all over the world. Again, please look at Europe, USSR, Cuba, etc.

Fact #1 that is UNDISPUTED... Over 30% of afican american CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level... Over 27% of Hispanic CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level. Even 15% of WHite CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level. Lazy Parents?? NO NO NO.. Under Paid Parents. They work thier butts off im many many cases! But the BOSS leave at lunch and goes to play golf while they bust the rears and then he pays less in taxes to boot?? MARX??? wow. Because I believe the working class man diserves more for his hard labor and that the Millionare should pay AT LEAST what the over Highest tax bracket employee he has on his pay roll Im a Marxist??? WOW..

Profits Are Great! But they should not all go to the guy at the top while his workers bust thier rears while he hits balls on the fairway. the way it is now.. Lower corporate tax?? FINE.. DO IT.. BUT raise top marginal tax at least back to where it was under CLinton and Raise the Capital gains rate to the point of the highest tax rate on income over 1$million a year.
Trickle Up Ecomonics as you would like would help only the wealthy (boy the wealthy sure are hurtin arnt they) and then further hurt the middle class. This deficite was created by Bush and the Republican. THey cut taxes on the wealthy and BLEW a budget SURPLUS in the process... NOW that there is not enough money for federal programs ( because of the BUSH tax cuts, and TWO Unfunded Wars) they say we just can afford some of these programs for the elderly and the poor... ITS CALLED Hood Robin
Its taking from the poor and middle class to give to the wealthy.... Im in the majority here bud.. like it or not 74% of americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy.. Its gona happen.. GOD I HOPE THE REPUBLICANS IN THE TEA PARTY KEEP STANDING BEHIND THOSE WEALTHY FOLKS... IT WILL BE THE END OF THEM... SO call your congressman and tell them to stand strong on those tax rates ... :clap:

You say Proof of Trickle Down economice is in the puding?? The ONLY FOLKS making it right now is the top 5% of america.. The rest are suffering with high unemployment Low Loss in Benifits, Less grants for student loans, and wages that are frozen or outright CUT. Bush and his policies scewed the middle class and the poor.. Now you guys love a candidate that calls Social Security a PONZI Scheem??? LOL Priceles.. Tell them to keep it up....

I remember back after the midterm elections two years after Clinton was Elected.. DO you?? The new Republican Led bY newt Gingirch Shut down the governmet. Led to the nation Blaming CONGRESS Back in 1996. NOT CLINTON.. Fast forward to this last year and now.. Teabagers came to the point of government shutdown and DEFAULT to not once, not twice, but soon it will be THREE times... Think the oucome in 2012 will be different this time?? the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.. Like the Republicans have been doing in regards to the shut down and in Tax adn Fiscal policy...

Black_Magic
09-30-2011, 08:29 AM
Found this Chart very interesting. I think it proves alot of what I have been saying.
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BleedOrange
09-30-2011, 09:54 AM
Fact #1 that is UNDISPUTED... Over 30% of afican american CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level... Over 27% of Hispanic CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level. Even 15% of WHite CHILDREN live UNDER the Poverty level. Lazy Parents?? NO NO NO.. Under Paid Parents. They work thier butts off im many many cases! But the BOSS leave at lunch and goes to play golf while they bust the rears and then he pays less in taxes to boot?? MARX??? wow. Because I believe the working class man diserves more for his hard labor and that the Millionare should pay AT LEAST what the over Highest tax bracket employee he has on his pay roll Im a Marxist??? WOW..

Profits Are Great! But they should not all go to the guy at the top while his workers bust thier rears while he hits balls on the fairway. the way it is now.. Lower corporate tax?? FINE.. DO IT.. BUT raise top marginal tax at least back to where it was under CLinton and Raise the Capital gains rate to the point of the highest tax rate on income over 1$million a year.
Trickle Up Ecomonics as you would like would help only the wealthy (boy the wealthy sure are hurtin arnt they) and then further hurt the middle class. This deficite was created by Bush and the Republican. THey cut taxes on the wealthy and BLEW a budget SURPLUS in the process... NOW that there is not enough money for federal programs ( because of the BUSH tax cuts, and TWO Unfunded Wars) they say we just can afford some of these programs for the elderly and the poor... ITS CALLED Hood Robin
Its taking from the poor and middle class to give to the wealthy.... Im in the majority here bud.. like it or not 74% of americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy.. Its gona happen.. GOD I HOPE THE REPUBLICANS IN THE TEA PARTY KEEP STANDING BEHIND THOSE WEALTHY FOLKS... IT WILL BE THE END OF THEM... SO call your congressman and tell them to stand strong on those tax rates ... :clap:

You say Proof of Trickle Down economice is in the puding?? The ONLY FOLKS making it right now is the top 5% of america.. The rest are suffering with high unemployment Low Loss in Benifits, Less grants for student loans, and wages that are frozen or outright CUT. Bush and his policies scewed the middle class and the poor.. Now you guys love a candidate that calls Social Security a PONZI Scheem??? LOL Priceles.. Tell them to keep it up....

I remember back after the midterm elections two years after Clinton was Elected.. DO you?? The new Republican Led bY newt Gingirch Shut down the governmet. Led to the nation Blaming CONGRESS Back in 1996. NOT CLINTON.. Fast forward to this last year and now.. Teabagers came to the point of government shutdown and DEFAULT to not once, not twice, but soon it will be THREE times... Think the oucome in 2012 will be different this time?? the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.. Like the Republicans have been doing in regards to the shut down and in Tax adn Fiscal policy...

It is really hard to argue with someone who doesn't utilize factual information. You keep referencing employees paying less than their bosses. This is incorrect whether you like to believe it or not. Most of the people those people you keep referring to have absolutely ZERO tax liability. You are drinking the Warren Buffett Kool Aid. Quite simply, whether you believe it or not your philosopy is Marxist. I love your definition of fairness take from those who and give to others who have not earned it through their own efforts. Why don't you share your views on what levels of income people should be taxed at and the corresponding tax rate. You clearly don't understand that the weathly pay a higher income tax rate than the masses. Penalizing success is the answer??? That's a really American view WOW!!!! I am truly glad your views are in the minority. Although our fearless leader shares them with you and his term of destruction will be done soon. Thank the good lord. The reality is the the liberals always want to take from others but good portion of them are the last to dip into their own pocket. They sure are good at taking from others but clearly lack when it causes personal sacrifice.

You also state someone is taking from the poor and middle class. Who might that be? The people providing/GIVING them a job??? Hilarious!! People are paid what the market determines is a just wage for the job/service being provided. There is plenty of opportunity for all in this country if the Gov't just gets out of the way and let the market forces dictate. I would also suggest that people take a little personal responsibiltiy. Lets not make the decision to have 8 children if making minimum wage. Scratch that we shouldn't have personal responsibility we have the Gov't to pay us more for each child born inot poverty. Great idea.

Finally, with regard to social security it is in fact a ponzi scheme. If was operated as it was intended it would not fall into that category. If a company in the private sector operated its pension plan the social security operates people would be in jail. Now I must depart as I have a tee time.

Black_Magic
09-30-2011, 11:11 AM
It is really hard to argue with someone who doesn't utilize factual information. You keep referencing employees paying less than their bosses. This is incorrect whether you like to believe it or not. Most of the people those people you keep referring to have absolutely ZERO tax liability. You are drinking the Warren Buffett Kool Aid. Quite simply, whether you believe it or not your philosopy is Marxist. I love your definition of fairness take from those who and give to others who have not earned it through their own efforts. Why don't you share your views on what levels of income people should be taxed at and the corresponding tax rate. You clearly don't understand that the weathly pay a higher income tax rate than the masses. Penalizing success is the answer??? That's a really American view WOW!!!! I am truly glad your views are in the minority. Although our fearless leader shares them with you and his term of destruction will be done soon. Thank the good lord. The reality is the the liberals always want to take from others but good portion of them are the last to dip into their own pocket. They sure are good at taking from others but clearly lack when it causes personal sacrifice.

You also state someone is taking from the poor and middle class. Who might that be? The people providing/GIVING them a job??? Hilarious!! People are paid what the market determines is a just wage for the job/service being provided. There is plenty of opportunity for all in this country if the Gov't just gets out of the way and let the market forces dictate. I would also suggest that people take a little personal responsibiltiy. Lets not make the decision to have 8 children if making minimum wage. Scratch that we shouldn't have personal responsibility we have the Gov't to pay us more for each child born inot poverty. Great idea.

Finally, with regard to social security it is in fact a ponzi scheme. If was operated as it was intended it would not fall into that category. If a company in the private sector operated its pension plan the social security operates people would be in jail. Now I must depart as I have a tee time.
I believe the warped one here is you.
SO, Employers out of the goodness of thier hearts give folks jobs??? Not because they need help but to provide charity?? LOL thats a hoot.
It not Penalizing success at all. Heck I volunteer to be penalized.. Pay me just $500,000 a year and then I will voluteer to be "Penalized" punished.. LOL the Millionare can trade salaries with me and pay my rate ( Funny thing is the top 400 income earners would end up paying a higher percentage of thier income if they traded with me).. You Fit in with the Nobility of the Pre French Revolutionary times with your view of fairness..

The Reason many dont pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX is because they Fall BELOW the minimum INCOME.. ITS shamefull that 47% of americans dont make enough money to pay taxes.. Shows more proof of the chart I showed you.. Shows how UNDERPAID american workers are..

ALSO.. MY VEIW IS IN THE MAJORITY.. If you watched anything other than the facist... Uh I mean FOX NEW CHANNEL you would realize that.. ALL the polls say americans support raising taxes on the wealthy.. 72-76% of americans support raising taxes on the wealthy depending with poll you want to take.. So its you who is in the minority.. BUT hey. Make sure and call your congressman.. Please tell him to stand Strong cutting medicare and social security and to fight hard to keep taxes low for those generous millionares who provide all the poor folks a way to feed thier kids a job... Make that call though.. Im so glad that those billionares worked SO HARD so they can take care of the rest of us.. what would we all do without them..:clap:

BleedOrange
09-30-2011, 03:20 PM
I believe the warped one here is you.
SO, Employers out of the goodness of thier hearts give folks jobs??? Not because they need help but to provide charity?? LOL thats a hoot.
It not Penalizing success at all. Heck I volunteer to be penalized.. Pay me just $500,000 a year and then I will voluteer to be "Penalized" punished.. LOL the Millionare can trade salaries with me and pay my rate ( Funny thing is the top 400 income earners would end up paying a higher percentage of thier income if they traded with me).. You Fit in with the Nobility of the Pre French Revolutionary times with your view of fairness..

The Reason many dont pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX is because they Fall BELOW the minimum INCOME.. ITS shamefull that 47% of americans dont make enough money to pay taxes.. Shows more proof of the chart I showed you.. Shows how UNDERPAID american workers are..

ALSO.. MY VEIW IS IN THE MAJORITY.. If you watched anything other than the facist... Uh I mean FOX NEW CHANNEL you would realize that.. ALL the polls say americans support raising taxes on the wealthy.. 72-76% of americans support raising taxes on the wealthy depending with poll you want to take.. So its you who is in the minority.. BUT hey. Make sure and call your congressman.. Please tell him to stand Strong cutting medicare and social security and to fight hard to keep taxes low for those generous millionares who provide all the poor folks a way to feed thier kids a job... Make that call though.. Im so glad that those billionares worked SO HARD so they can take care of the rest of us.. what would we all do without them..:clap:

47% paying nothing confirms how unfair the system is. Again, you are absolutely incorrect in your assessment that you pay less in taxes than the top 400 earners. You listen to too many of the myths being thrown around. Fact....the top 20% pay 70% of the taxes and at a higher average rate than the rest. Now off the the 19th tee. I have no more time for tax talk other than to say if not for the success and profits of businesses (both big and small) there would be few, if any, jobs (private or public) and we would all live in a world of economic equality thus leading to your utopia Mr. Marx. No more from me on this topic. Its alway nice to hear the other side which helps be confirm that I have not gone completely off the deep end. Thanks!!!

Black_Magic
10-03-2011, 08:39 AM
47% paying nothing confirms how unfair the system is. Again, you are absolutely incorrect in your assessment that you pay less in taxes than the top 400 earners. You listen to too many of the myths being thrown around. Fact....the top 20% pay 70% of the taxes and at a higher average rate than the rest. Now off the the 19th tee. I have no more time for tax talk other than to say if not for the success and profits of businesses (both big and small) there would be few, if any, jobs (private or public) and we would all live in a world of economic equality thus leading to your utopia Mr. Marx. No more from me on this topic. Its alway nice to hear the other side which helps be confirm that I have not gone completely off the deep end. Thanks!!!

The only thing your right about is 47% paying no taxes is unfair but not in the way you think.. Whats Unfair is that in this country NOW we have 47% of all wrokers not making enough to pay taxes becasue if they did they would be beneath the poverty level....

Make sure to call your congressman and tell him to stand strong on defending those tax cuts for the millionares and tell him to do it loud and proud So the voters know where he stands.. :crazy:

LIONS#1
10-03-2011, 08:14 PM
LMAO ..You are a socialist Communist BM (That should stand for Bowel Movement) thats what is wrong with you...LMAO and all along I thought you just hated Brownwood...heck...you don't even like America!!

Black_Magic
10-04-2011, 07:54 AM
LMAO ..You are a socialist Communist BM (That should stand for Bowel Movement) thats what is wrong with you...LMAO and all along I thought you just hated Brownwood...heck...you don't even like America!! Im a socialist because I think the Working class man has got the shaft over the last 20-30 years and that he has been underpaid? Im a socialist because I think the Mega wealthy have shafted us by taking all the money home instead of paying the people who work for them a fair wage? Im a socialist because I think A millionare should pay AT LEAST THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF TAXES as his highest paid Employee??? I think your the one who needs to step back and think about that. thats where I stand and thats what you dont like?? wow.. NEWS FLASH!! MOST AMERICANS THINK THE SAME WAY!!!! IN FACT 75% DO.. YOUR THE ONE WHO IS AN EXTREMEIST TEABAG BOY...

Saggy Aggie
10-04-2011, 08:26 AM
Not my intended direction for this thread -_-