Snapshot Day Fast Approaching

[Matthew328]

Stephenville right now is at 1005...gonna be REAL close......Frisco Lone Star will stay 3A according to their HC...will pass along more tidbits as I get them

[bigwood33]

Whitesboro had 394 last week, according to the HS principal. We had 3 enroll yesterday so we will be 400 +\- 5 kids at the end of Oct.

The 3A numbers haven't changed much the last 2 alignments and I would bet there isn't much movement this time either. The bottom has been 435 each of the last 2 and the top has been in the 980's. Smart money says 435- 440 for the bottom and about 990 at the top. The 'Ville is certainly on the bubble.

[Matthew328]

Whitesboro had 394 last week, according to the HS principal. We had 3 enroll yesterday so we will be 400 +\- 5 kids at the end of Oct.

The 3A numbers haven't changed much the last 2 alignments and I would bet there isn't much movement this time either. The bottom has been 435 each of the last 2 and the top has been in the 980's. Smart money says 435- 440 for the bottom and about 990 at the top. The 'Ville is certainly on the bubble.

I would agree...my guess is 430-999

[Yoe_09]

We are currently at 415 according the the HS website. It appears we will be staying put unless something unlikely happens.

[turbostud]

Whitesboro had 394 last week, according to the HS principal. We had 3 enroll yesterday so we will be 400 +\- 5 kids at the end of Oct.

The 3A numbers haven't changed much the last 2 alignments and I would bet there isn't much movement this time either. The bottom has been 435 each of the last 2 and the top has been in the 980's. Smart money says 435- 440 for the bottom and about 990 at the top. The 'Ville is certainly on the bubble.

Whitesboro going 2a means the S&S/Whitesboro "who can vandalize each others schools the most" rivalry will begin again.

[ccmom]

Wylie's enrollment was at 929 a couple of weeks ago...

(Insert same old, tired enrollment jokes here...):wave:

[Sville]

The 3A numbers are currently 430-989. Last realignment they top cutoff was 979. If the cutoff goes up by 10 again to 999, we will prolly be 3A. I am pretty sure we will be below 1,000 once snapshot day gets here.

[Old Tiger]

Rockdale going down to 2a would bode well for them.

[bigwood33]

Whitesboro going 2a means the S&S/Whitesboro "who can vandalize each others schools the most" rivalry will begin again.
Unless the UIL changes the current alignment "rules/strategy" for 2A, Whitesboro will be Division 1 and S&S will remain Division 2. I think the question for Whitesboro is, will the UIL send them west (Region 1) or East (Region 2) but is certainly looks like we are headed for 2A.

[BEAST]

The 3A numbers are currently 430-989. Last realignment they top cutoff was 979. If the cutoff goes up by 10 again to 999, we will prolly be 3A. I am pretty sure we will be below 1,000 once snapshot day gets here.


How many a day are yall shoving out the door?




BEAST

[AP Panther Fan]

In District 30, Goliad barely made the cut last time at 434. I am curious if enrollments in their area have increased with all of the Eagle Ford Shale activity.

[garciap77]

Wylie's enrollment was at 929 a couple of weeks ago...

(Insert same old, tired enrollment jokes here...):wave:

I heard AISD was sending all the Wylie kids back, because they do not have enough tearchers!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

[SHSBulldog00]

Here are a few that I have acquired so far
George Ranch 1,323 (will open as a 4A)
Ft Worth Carter-Riverside close to 1,200 (staying 4A)

Kingsville King just over 1,000
CC Tuloso-Midway 1006
Springtown 940 - Thank You Mr. Pennington - Abilene Wylie - 1:clap:
El Campo 980

Corpus Christi Miller 1004
Carrollton Ranchview 833

[Matthew328]

Those schools right on the border could change some by Oct 14...will be real interesting

[SHSBulldog00]

Those schools right on the border could change some by Oct 14...will be real interesting

Do you think 3A will keep the 2.2 Ratio instead of the 2.0 the UIL wants?

[Matthew328]

3A will always be higher than 2.0 not enough schools

[Sville]

How many a day are yall shoving out the door?
BEAST

Lingleville may be playing 11 man next realignment instead 6man.

We had 4 kids leave we are down to 1001 as of today.

[Emerson1]

Lingleville may be playing 11 man next realignment instead 6man.

We had 4 kids leave we are down to 1001 as of today.
So 1001 official enrollement? Chances are there is at least 20 kids absent every day. Some of the rich folks here need to bride a UIL official and find out which day they need an outbreak and have 100 kids absent.

Looks like Forney will have 2 4A schools. Oh joy.

[SHSBulldog00]

So 1001 official enrollement? Chances are there is at least 20 kids absent every day. Some of the rich folks here need to bride a UIL official and find out which day they need an outbreak and have 100 kids absent.

Looks like Forney will have 2 4A schools. Oh joy.

It's actually how many students are on the books at the school come snapshot day not how many are present. Although some school's might cook the books to their advantage.:stirpot:

[SHSBulldog00]

Current 3A

430-989 = 2.3 ratio

Possible

434-999 = 2.3 ratio (I think it will be this one)

454-999 = 2.2 ratio

432.6-995 = 2.3 ratio

452-995 = 2.2 ratio

[garciap77]

It's actually how many students are on the books at the school come snapshot day not how many are present. Although some school's might cook the books to their advantage.:stirpot:


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[garciap77]

Current 3A

430-989 = 2.3 ratio

Possible

434-999 = 2.3 ratio (I think it will be this one)

454-999 = 2.2 ratio

432.6-995 = 2.3 ratio

452-995 = 2.2 ratio

Wylie has 999 so I think you are correct!:D

[Emerson1]

Do they pick a random day or is it usually a set date?

[mwynn05]

both schools here are safely 4a with 1300-1500 each

[Matthew328]

Stephenville down to 998

[87 TIGER]

Rockdale going down to 2a would bode well for them.I agree but I dont think it will happen, weve had alot of moveouts but I'm hearing our numbers are gonna be aroung 460-470

[SHSBulldog00]

Stephenville down to 998

WOW, They really are shoving them out the door.

[SHSBulldog00]

This is the latest on

District 29

Needville 801*
Palacios 437*
Sweeny 594*
West Columbia Columbia 824*
Wharton - not reporting

[SHSBulldog00]

School's on the Bubble to move down from 4A

Ft Worth Dunbar 878
Austin Eastside Memorial 915
Austin Reagan 971
Hidalgo Early College 991.5
Kilgore 994
La Marque 996
El Campo 980*
Stephenville 998*
Castroville Medina Valley 1010
Houston Worthing 1013
Dallas Lincoln 1015
Springtown 940*
Kingsville King just over 1,000*

* = current enrollment

[Leopard4Life]

These are the 11-3A numbers I had about 2 weeks ago.

Prosper = 1260.5 (I don't get the .5)

Lovejoy = 1109

Frisco Lonestar = 830

Princeton = 879

Farmersville = 444

[Saggy Aggie]

This is the latest on

District 29

Needville 801*
Palacios 437*
Sweeny 594*
West Columbia Columbia 824*
Wharton - not reporting damn needville is catching up to WC. I think going d2 would help out WC.

The dub had 885 or so when i graduated in 09. Declined by about 60 kids in 2 years. hmmm

[SHSBulldog00]

damn needville is catching up to WC. I think going d2 would help out WC.

The dub had 885 or so when i graduated in 09. Declined by about 60 kids in 2 years. hmmm

When I graduated from Sweeny in 2000 we had 730 and now look:(

[Coach BS]

These are the 11-3A numbers I had about 2 weeks ago.

Prosper = 1260.5 (I don't get the .5)

Lovejoy = 1109

Frisco Lonestar = 830

Princeton = 879

Farmersville = 444Not really fair for farmersville

[Matthew328]

It's not...that whole D1 and D2 thing probably needs to be looked at closely in 2014

[LH Panther Mom]

Not really fair for farmersville
Number of students doesn't necessarily equate to number of participants, nor does it equate to greater success. We went DII one year & DI the next during the same alignment. I've seen numerous teams with considerably more students field a team with quite a few less players, and I've seen teams with considerably less students have roughly the same amount on the team.

[Saggy Aggie]

Number of students doesn't necessarily equate to number of participants, nor does it equate to greater success. We went DII one year & DI the next during the same alignment. I've seen numerous teams with considerably more students field a team with quite a few less players, and I've seen teams with considerably less students have roughly the same amount on the team. yeah thats true, but i mean there are 2 schools in the same district that have nearly 3X their enrollment and 2 more that have about double.

Even if Farmersville suits up nearly every male in the school, they are still going to be thoroghly outnumbered.

[Saggy Aggie]

When I graduated from Sweeny in 2000 we had 730 and now look:( Wonder why both towns are declining? can understand Wc declining, but I figured Sweeny would be growing.

Needville is growing though because they've got that new HS and they're right on the edge of all the growth coming outta houston. They're gonna be the big school in the district real soon. Could even go 4A in 2014?

[BEAST]

Not really fair for farmersville


Prosper and Lovejoy will be heading 4A.




BEAST

[87 TIGER]

Number of students doesn't necessarily equate to number of participants, nor does it equate to greater success. We went DII one year & DI the next during the same alignment. I've seen numerous teams with considerably more students field a team with quite a few less players, and I've seen teams with considerably less students have roughly the same amount on the team.you are talking rare cases, on the most part smaller schools have trouble competing with larger schools. If what you are saying is true then do away with all classifications just play all the schools that are close to each other, hey it will save on travel exspenses. Thats crazy you should never have to compete with a school with more than 2x the enrollment. IMO uil needs to split 3a if they are not going to get the numbers closer.

[Twirling Time]

Unless the UIL changes the current alignment "rules/strategy" for 2A, Whitesboro will be Division 1 and S&S will remain Division 2. I think the question for Whitesboro is, will the UIL send them west (Region 1) or East (Region 2) but is certainly looks like we are headed for 2A.

Since you're smack in between Callisburg and Pottsboro, odds are pretty good you'll be in with both. You might be dropping along with Pilot Point and Van Alstyne too -- they're both very close. Howe looks like will stay Division I barely. There's your district, bada boom, bada bing.

These schools are all in close proximity, and anything different would mean splitting them west to play Ponder, Boyd and/or Paradise as some do now, or east to play East Texas schools like Melissa does. The UIL sometimes draws up some whack maps, but the "rubber band" theory holds a lot of validity.

[BEAST]

Any update on the Stephenville enrollment?




BEAST

[ccmom]

Any update on the Stephenville enrollment?




BEAST

This was posted yesterday evening.


Stephenville down to 998

Do you need hourly updates?:taunt:

[BEAST]

This was posted yesterday evening.



Do you need hourly updates?:taunt:


Exxxccccuuuuussseee me. I failed to see that.:)




BEAST

[WildTexan972]

the problem with this premise is that even in 5A Div1 you see bigger disparity than 2x enrollment....and schools like in Plano can really mess up those kind of calculations....some 5A schools have over 6000 enrollment, while, for example, a Lubbock 5A school like Coronado would be Div1 if they made the playoffs (they suck so they probably won't - my almamater so I can say they suck since they do) would have under 3000 students.....since 5A has a huge disparity, I doubt the UIL really cares about the multiplier since they don't have an interest in calling the divisions anything above a 5A.....what we REALLY should have since the UIL wants almost everyone to make the playoffs is 1A thru 10A and go ahead and crown those 10 champs but without all the stupid Div1/2 bidness.....



you are talking rare cases, on the most part smaller schools have trouble competing with larger schools. If what you are saying is true then do away with all classifications just play all the schools that are close to each other, hey it will save on travel exspenses. Thats crazy you should never have to compete with a school with more than 2x the enrollment. IMO uil needs to split 3a if they are not going to get the numbers closer.

[coach]

Nac could be in the same district as lufkin and longview. Yikes!!!

[Matthew328]

3A will always be an issue, comes up every realignment. You can't have it both ways, either you have a 2:1 ratio and have less than 32 districts OR a ton of four team districts..or you go greater and fill em all up...OR you split the diff like the UIL did and have a bit more than 2:1 but you have 32 districts..with some five's and a four mixed in

[trojandad]

once again, 3 state of texas counts has us at 420-435....

wonder how this bunch would do at 2a??

[Coach BS]

once again, 3 state of texas counts has us at 420-435....

wonder how this bunch would do at 2a?? ????

[trojandad]

????

we have no counts that show us at 503, save and except for uil counts....heck, our city limits sign is 691 for the entire town....

but before people jump and "educate" me on it, i have 3 population figures from SETCOG, the texas council of governments, and each count ranges from 420 to 435....we also have count sheets from a former school attendance coordinator showing a 430 count, the exact number of our yearbook pics, which many out here dismiss as unreality....

i dont work for the govt, but a huge part of my job is to know local school numbers to an exact number, and there are many numbers available to utilize outside of uil numbers.....weve just never understood where they get numbers in the 500's....or for that matter, where they get numbers on splendora of less than 1,200.....but thats uil....

so then my next thought would, obviously, be how overwhelming, if at all, would this team be at 2a, should we ever be counted correctly?....

[mwynn05]

we have no counts that show us at 503, save and except for uil counts....heck, our city limits sign is 691 for the entire town....

but before people jump and "educate" me on it, i have 3 population figures from SETCOG, the texas council of governments, and each count ranges from 420 to 435....we also have count sheets from a former school attendance coordinator showing a 430 count, the exact number of our yearbook pics, which many out here dismiss as unreality....

i dont work for the govt, but a huge part of my job is to know local school numbers to an exact number, and there are many numbers available to utilize outside of uil numbers.....weve just never understood where they get numbers in the 500's....or for that matter, where they get numbers on splendora of less than 1,200.....but thats uil....

so then my next thought would, obviously, be how overwhelming, if at all, would this team be at 2a, should we ever be counted correctly?....Dude the schools submit them.

[trojandad]

Dude the schools submit them.

no, administrations submit them...............dude.....

[mwynn05]

Administration=school... I'm pretty sure I would know that... I mean it is part of why they pay me..

[Leopard4Life]

no, administrations submit them...............dude.....

This explains why Abilene Wylie seems to mysteriously squeak into 3A... I'm sure there has to be a better system than asking the school or administration or relying on them to report it to the U.I.L. Schools are funded by attendance; they report any additional students to the T.E.A (Texas Education Agency) immediately so they can receive funding. Wouldn't a better system be to have the U.I.L go to the T.E.A. for the exact numbers on snapshot day?

I'll ask the AD or the Superintendent the next time I see them.

[slingshot]

You really believe that CRAP?:crazy: Wylie has steadily grown... reason we're still 3A is UIL keeps upping the limit.

[Leopard4Life]

You really believe that CRAP?:crazy: Wylie has steadily grown... reason we're still 3A is UIL keeps upping the limit.


Relax, just following ccmom's advice


Insert same old, tired enrollment jokes here...):wave:[/QUOTE]

[trojandad]

Administration=school... I'm pretty sure I would know that... I mean it is part of why they pay me..

well they may equal the same where you are, but we have a difference between school and administration....school knows the actual number of kids that coach barbay has to choose from in the school, which is supposed to be the reason for the uil counts.....our administration has others they want on their counts, such as migrant worker students that attend part time, etc, and they dont want uil numbers to be different from texas ed numbers...i realize it is worth dollars to them, but the argument that we have 503 warm bodies to pick from for the team is a joke.....

[Matthew328]

well they may equal the same where you are, but we have a difference between school and administration....school knows the actual number of kids that coach barbay has to choose from in the school, which is supposed to be the reason for the uil counts.....our administration has others they want on their counts, such as migrant worker students that attend part time, etc, and they dont want uil numbers to be different from texas ed numbers...i realize it is worth dollars to them, but the argument that we have 503 warm bodies to pick from for the team is a joke.....

Every school has to count migrant worker kids, special ed students etc...its not just a Coldspring thing...heck poor Lubbock High has basically a 3A enrollment for actual kids there to play football but because they are the big magnet school their actual enrollment is over 2100...but in reality on a good day they have a pool of 800 total kids to choose from football.

[trojandad]

Every school has to count migrant worker kids, special ed students etc...its not just a Coldspring thing...heck poor Lubbock High has basically a 3A enrollment for actual kids there to play football but because they are the big magnet school their actual enrollment is over 2100...but in reality on a good day they have a pool of 800 total kids to choose from football.

yea, but we count migrants that enroll but never come 1 day to class, the education board legal website strictly says only count individuals the school has actually educated....many of the timber companies using migrants have them enroll so as to accomodate CPS, but never attend, they all work with their mom and dads in these peckerwood mills spaced out through the county.......i would have loved to have had a few of them kicking for us over the years....

[NastySlot]

yea, but we count migrants that enroll but never come 1 day to class, the education board legal website strictly says only count individuals the school has actually educated....many of the timber companies using migrants have them enroll so as to accomodate CPS, but never attend, they all work with their mom and dads in these peckerwood mills spaced out through the county.......i would have loved to have had a few of them kicking for us over the years....




well then wouldn't you all have a problem with truancy then?............and isn't the snapshot the number of students present on the day the snapshot is taken...not enrolled?

[trojandad]

well then wouldn't you all have a problem with truancy then?............and isn't the snapshot the number of students present on the day the snapshot is taken...not enrolled?

i was on our school board for one term, i was on campus the day two men with uil badges on were meeting with the asst superintendent and he was giving them our papers for just over 500....i walked straight to the attendance officer that same morning and saw on his sheet we had 436 kids in school that day, with 11 absent...this was 10 years ago and, according to records, we had only one year of enrollment of over 500 and it was 1991 due to a large lake construction....

yes, by every rule i ever read it SHOULD be truency if they are counted...to satisfy cps they show them application forms to enroll in coldspring high to show education upkeep, but dont show they never attend classes, yet the administration counts them for $$$$.....oh well....

[JustAFan]

The school district finances are based on ADA - average daily attendance, so the argument that they get money for students who enroll and never attend is incorrect (except for some very minor Federal funding for migrant workers which is not a big amount).

UIL uses the actual enrollment on the snapshot day. The school district submits the count of every student enrolled in the high school on that day. Attendance does not matter, just enrollment. If it was attendance, then all of the Dallas, Houston, and Ft. Worth schools would be 2A - 3A based on their average daily attendance.

As far as truancy - the law REQUIRES the school district to file truancy on any student enrolled who does not attend for 10 or more days in a 6 month period. If the school is not filing, then they are also breaking the law, just like the truants.

[trojandad]

The school district finances are based on ADA - average daily attendance, so the argument that they get money for students who enroll and never attend is incorrect (except for some very minor Federal funding for migrant workers which is not a big amount).

UIL uses the actual enrollment on the snapshot day. The school district submits the count of every student enrolled in the high school on that day. Attendance does not matter, just enrollment. If it was attendance, then all of the Dallas, Houston, and Ft. Worth schools would be 2A - 3A based on their average daily attendance.

As far as truancy - the law REQUIRES the school district to file truancy on any student enrolled who does not attend for 10 or more days in a 6 month period. If the school is not filing, then they are also breaking the law, just like the truants.

never argued the law, just telling you the history of a school district in a county nationally known for having a sheriff that would take certain speeders and waterboard them for information...(humpy parker, look him up)...law applying to san jacinto county officials is a joke....

[JustAFan]

I understand.

[fbjm]

JustAFan-you seem to know the "scoop" on snapshot & realignment info...or you're a good bs'er! Do you have experience in this area? Just wondering?

[JustAFan]

JustAFan-you seem to know the "scoop" on snapshot & realignment info...or you're a good bs'er! Do you have experience in this area? Just wondering?

I actually have been accused of both knowing what I am talking about and being a good BS'er many times in my life!! Sometimes at the same time. But yeah, I actually have a pretty good handle on this area.

[fbjm]

I actually have been accused of both knowing what I am talking about and being a good BS'er many times in my life!! Sometimes at the same time. But yeah, I actually have a pretty good handle on this area.

Do you have any insight on the UIL realignment or are you as lost as everyone else?

[OldNavy]

According to the last realignment the formulas used to determine enrollment are:

(1) Schools with four high school grades (9-12), and three-year high schools (grades 10-12) which will receive
incoming tenth graders from specific, identifiable feeder schools:
Grades 9, 10, 11, 12 = Enrollment
2) Schools with only grades 10, 11, 12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the incoming tenth
graders are attending:
Grades 10, 11, 12 X 1.33 = Enrollment

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/rr-release-information-2010.pdf

[BILLYFRED0000]

Number of students doesn't necessarily equate to number of participants, nor does it equate to greater success. We went DII one year & DI the next during the same alignment. I've seen numerous teams with considerably more students field a team with quite a few less players, and I've seen teams with considerably less students have roughly the same amount on the team.

You right there lhpm. Back when we played the first time neither of us were big but we both had good size squads out there. That was still to this day one of the best title games I have ever seen.

[Sville]

One week out from snap shot day and Sville is sitting at 998.

[SHSBulldog00]

One week out from snap shot day and Sville is sitting at 998.

They should drop another 9 or 10.........just to make sure:1popcorn:

[mwynn05]

This explains why Abilene Wylie seems to mysteriously squeak into 3A... I'm sure there has to be a better system than asking the school or administration or relying on them to report it to the U.I.L. Schools are funded by attendance; they report any additional students to the T.E.A (Texas Education Agency) immediately so they can receive funding. Wouldn't a better system be to have the U.I.L go to the T.E.A. for the exact numbers on snapshot day?

I'll ask the AD or the Superintendent the next time I see them. It's not like they ask them hey how many are enrolled. It's tied to PEIMS data etc.

[Leopard4Life]

Today's the day...


2012 – 2014 Reclassification and Realignment Information
RECLASSIFICATION AND REALIGNMENT POLICIES
• Download the Reclassification and Realignment policies

The submission of enrollment figures for the upcoming Reclassification and Realignment will take place on October 13, 2011. Schools are to submit enrollment figures based on enrollment for October 13, 2011.
The release date for the 2012-14 Reclassification and Realignment is February 2, 2012.
Superintendents of school districts will be submitting enrollment figures and other reclassification information electronically.
For electronic submission of Reclassification and Realignment information, each superintendent will be provided a user name and a password to log into the online system.
Each superintendent will receive an email from the UIL during the first week of October with more specifics about this process and how to submit information for the schools in their school district.
No information may be entered into the online enrollment system until October 13, 2011.
Please feel free to contact the UIL Athletic Director’s office with any questions concerning the Reclassification and Realignment process.

[JustAFan]

Do you have any insight on the UIL realignment or are you as lost as everyone else?

No more than anyone else at this point. It is going to be very interesting this year with a lot of the lower 4A schools turning in numbers that are real close to the estimate for the top of the 3A cutoff. I can see the top end of 3A not moving up and possibly moving down (it has been several years since the top was stagnant).

With that being said - I do not work for UIL and these are all my own thoughts. I deal with it from the school end, so I will be waiting on pins and needles like so many other people until 9:00 AM on February 2.

[Leopard4Life]

Found this online...

The UIL realigns every two years with the intent of leveling the playing field enrollment-wise based on Average Daily Membership (ADM) submitted in late October. Once the numbers are received, the UIL attempts to keep the enrollment ratio in each classification as close to 2.0 as possible.

The 2.0 ratio means the ADM for a school at the top of a classification will not be more than twice that of the school at the bottom. It doesn’t always work out that way, especially in the lower classifications — 3A, in particular.

[garciap77]

This explains why Abilene Wylie seems to mysteriously squeak into 3A... I'm sure there has to be a better system than asking the school or administration or relying on them to report it to the U.I.L. Schools are funded by attendance; they report any additional students to the T.E.A (Texas Education Agency) immediately so they can receive funding. Wouldn't a better system be to have the U.I.L go to the T.E.A. for the exact numbers on snapshot day?

I'll ask the AD or the Superintendent the next time I see them.

We counted 1803 1/2 yesterday for practice! This morning we only counted 857 1/3! I guess we will have to go with that! Nice job ccmom! Thanks for taking the time to count our kids!!!:D

[garciap77]

I actually have been accused of both knowing what I am talking about and being a good BS'er many times in my life!! Sometimes at the same time. But yeah, I actually have a pretty good handle on this area.

Would you like to come work for us?:D

[garciap77]

According to the last realignment the formulas used to determine enrollment are:

(1) Schools with four high school grades (9-12), and three-year high schools (grades 10-12) which will receive
incoming tenth graders from specific, identifiable feeder schools:
Grades 9, 10, 11, 12 = Enrollment
2) Schools with only grades 10, 11, 12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the incoming tenth
graders are attending:
Grades 10, 11, 12 X 1.33 = Enrollment

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/rr-release-information-2010.pdf

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/Smilies/hmm.gif

Wylie is building a new Jr. High right next to the high school!!!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/Smilies/hmm.gif



:D

[R1Editor]

I actually have been accused of both knowing what I am talking about and being a good BS'er many times in my life!! Sometimes at the same time. But yeah, I actually have a pretty good handle on this area.Thats funny, I am always accused of being the opposite, Not knowing what Im talking about and a terrible BS'er.:D

[JustAFan]

Thats funny, I am always accused of being the opposite, Not knowing what Im talking about and a terrible BS'er.:D

It's all in the delivery...