SCOUTING REPORT for Wimberley

[Cam]

Is Trinity the man? Or is Dennis back in the mix? What's up with Wimberley? Nice town by the way!

[Tejastrue]

Is Trinity the man? Or is Dennis back in the mix? What's up with Wimberley? Nice town by the way!

Thanks Cam. Dennis is back. I've added a link to a recent article from the local paper. I suspect Trinity will get plenty of reps. He's earned that. With 8/8 starters from last year's semi-finalist team and a year under his belt for our QB Lambert I see no reason to believe we can't compete to bring the SC back to Wimberley. That is if we can avoid the injury riddled season of 2010. That was our "achilles heel" and caught up to us against Coldspring.

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/x1692748541/High-School-Football-About-face-for-Smith

[Roughneck93]

Thanks Cam. Dennis is back. I've added a link to a recent article from the local paper. I suspect Trinity will get plenty of reps. He's earned that. With 8/8 starters from last year's semi-finalist team and a year under his belt for our QB Lambert I see no reason to believe we can't compete to bring the SC back to Wimberley. That is if we can avoid the injury ridden season of 2010. That was our "achilles heel" and caught up to us against Coldspring.

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/x1692748541/High-School-Football-About-face-for-Smith

Good to hear that Dennis is back. Young man has so much talent; would hate to see it go to waste.

[BigGreen61]

Good article. See y'll 0 week. It's going to be a good one.

[Snotbubbles]

Team has talent. This very well could be their year. I second that Wimberley is a lovely community. Love traveling there. Navarro/Wim game will be a awesome determining game this year. Navarro proved last year they belong. Just not sure they have what Nelms has to put out on the turf.

[Cam]

Thanks Cam. Dennis is back. I've added a link to a recent article from the local paper. I suspect Trinity will get plenty of reps. He's earned that. With 8/8 starters from last year's semi-finalist team and a year under his belt for our QB Lambert I see no reason to believe we can't compete to bring the SC back to Wimberley. That is if we can avoid the injury riddled season of 2010. That was our "achilles heel" and caught up to us against Coldspring.

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/x1692748541/High-School-Football-About-face-for-Smith

Yep, my wife and I liked it so much we actually talked about moving there. Don't know how my 5th grade boy would react to that. He loves Burnet. We're looking to sell our home and downsize but with a little more land. 20 to 30 acres would be nice...

[Cam]

Is Coach Cockerham still there? My son really liked him as a coach.

[Tejastrue]

Good to hear that Dennis is back. Young man has so much talent; would hate to see it go to waste.

Amen to that. It will be all about chemistry. They did pretty well without him but how could you not want him on your team. It will be a season long effort on his part to convince his football peers that it is about "the team" and not the "me" mentality. I suspect things will be fine.

[Tejastrue]

Good article. See y'll 0 week. It's going to be a good one.

It will indeed. Hopefully there will be no payback from last year. Just wanted to add that I greatly appreciate the Cuero football history and tradition.

[Tejastrue]

Team has talent. This very well could be their year. I second that Wimberley is a lovely community. Love traveling there. Navarro/Wim game will be a awesome determining game this year. Navarro proved last year they belong. Just not sure they have what Nelms has to put out on the turf.

Thanks Sb. Good to hear from you again. Navarro proved they do indeed belong. Will enjoy this match-up again, especially after last year.

[gold_33]

I expect to see Smith lined up at WR some when Wilson is in at RB, that should make defenses not be able to focus on just one thing. Plus Smith's size and speed make him a big target for Lambert. You get Wilson and Smith on the field along with Blakemore then throw in Lamberts dual threat ability at QB and we have the potential to have a very dangerous on offense.

[Tejastrue]

Is Coach Cockerham still there? My son really liked him as a coach.

Have you checked the price per acre down here lately? Ouch!!!

Coach Nelms is surrounded by quality people. Coach Cockerham is no exception. He's still here as far as the 2010/2011 season assisting both football and baseball.

[FB-fanatic]

We consider Wimberley our 2nd home. We began vacationing there about 15 years ago. I'm an old fart and really enjoy the water, as long as I have plenty of shade. My boys have taken after me in that respect (love for the water, that is). Many years ago we were looking for a place to stay for a week and found an old log cabin which sounded great,and said it was located on the Blue Hole. Skeptical me wondered just how close to the Blue Hole it was..... turned out to be literally on the west banks of the famous swimmin hole. One year while we were there, they were filming "How to Eat Fried Worms". The public side was closed and we got sit under the cyprusses and watched filming. We drive out to the vinyards and sample wine, take a dive in Jacob's Well (some said it was not open to the public, but those people were just not adventurous enough to find a way to it), and climb the mountain (hill) for a look around. Deer and turkey and fox wander through each morning.

[ogg]

Is Trinity the man? Or is Dennis back in the mix? What's up with Wimberley? Nice town by the way!

It's good to have coach Nelms here, runs a very good football program and has great respect for our boys as do all our coaches. As stated above, if we stay healthy we have a shot at making the playoffs. As always Wimberley has a hugh fan base.

[trojandad]

the only place i think wimberley has work to do is in their defensive backfield.....they dont have the offensive line that carthage had last year but i think if they had to do things again, im betting their coach would have their qb trust his 5 or 7 step drops and just let the ball go....he kept not trusting his first reads and by then our rush was getting to him....morgan for carthage was trusting his first reads and letting his receivers go get the ball and it kept our rush from getting to him....

wimerleys def backfield kept getting frustration penalties from our rb's breaking thru into their secondary....i dont know if the young man who got the bulk of those penalties is coming back, but im sure the coaching staff there will work as hard with him as with smith to make sure that doesnt happen again, which is why i think theyve got a good shot to run the table....good luck to them....

[wimbo_pro]

Good analysis, TrojanDad. You are right...we have the tools this year to run the table. But will we run the table? Your guess is as good as mine. Definitely the most talent since the '05 Championship team...but I am not sure it is AS talented as that team, we shall see. Tremendous offensive power, thats well known. It's the defense that concerns me. Not that I doubt their abilities...its that they will have to prove it to me before I believe it. Our ace in the hole? Coach Smith. Man...that dude rocks on defensive game plans. My guess is the defense will be just fine come play off time.

Good group of kids, great coaching, solid schedule...absolutely no doubt we will make the play offs (have you seen our district?),...we are definitely a top 5 team. Good enough to win it all? 100% for sure talented enough....but so are 10 other teams. It's only a matter of chemistry and attitude for us...and an absence of the injury bug. Should be a great year!

[ogg]

"absolutely no doubt we will make the play offs (have you seen our district)"

WOW!!!!

The o-line concerns me, not the defense.

[wimbo_pro]

"absolutely no doubt we will make the play offs (have you seen our district)"

WOW!!!!

The o-line concerns me, not the defense.

LOL@OGG...come on man, we could absolutely SUCK and make the play offs with the weakness of our district.

[Tejastrue]

LOL@OGG...come on man, we could absolutely SUCK and make the play offs with the weakness of our district.

Never know when you are joking around or serious. Forgot what Navarro and Canyon Lake did last year? Maybe you saw that as a fluke. Boerne slapped us around for a full half last year. Please explain Wimbo. :confused:

[wimbo_pro]

Never know when you are joking around or serious. Forgot what Navarro and Canyon Lake did last year? Maybe you saw that as a fluke. Boerne slapped us around for a full half last year. Please explain Wimbo. :confused:
I am simply saying that this year, our district is at BEST average compared to the 3a World, and probably below average in the 3A world. We are at WORST a top 10 team in the entire state (no one would argue this one). It's not like we are in Hendersons district, for cripes sake. I dont think its braggadocious to say we will be at least the 3rd best team in a below average district. Come on people.

I will give you this though...injuries could change everything. And I dont mean one or two...I mean an injury tsunami MIGHT kick us out of the play offs. But even then, i highly doubt it. I really dont feel like this is going out on a limb.

[Tejastrue]

I am simply saying that this year, our district is at BEST average compared to the 3a World, and probably below average in the 3A world. We are at WORST a top 10 team in the entire state (no one would argue this one). It's not like we are in Hendersons district, for cripes sake. I dont think its braggadocious to say we will be at least the 3rd best team in a below average district. Come on people.

I will give you this though...injuries could change everything. And I dont mean one or two...I mean an injury tsunami MIGHT kick us out of the play offs. But even then, i highly doubt it. I really dont feel like this is going out on a limb.

I never looked at you as being "braggadocious" (is that a real word?). My earlier comments reflect my thoughts on how we will do. I just feel the district is stronger than you indicate. That is all.

[wimbo_pro]

I never looked at you as being "braggadocious" (is that a real word?). My earlier comments reflect my thoughts on how we will do. I just feel the district is stronger than you indicate. That is all.

Maybe so. Still think we can be at least in 3rd place in our district, even in the worst case scenarios. In fact, I think its as sure as can be that we will be at least 3rd best. Of course disasters can happen, something like 10 of our starters being sidelined...but other than that, we WILL be in the play-offs.

And yes, braggadocious is a word!! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/braggadocious

[gold_33]

O-line got a boost with a big move in this year, should be a big help. Dont see us having a problem with district at all but we'll find out week 0 how good we are against Cuero and also when we play Sealy. I think if we stay healthy we got a great chance to make a big run this year without a doubt!!

[ogg]

LOL@OGG...come on man, we could absolutely SUCK and make the play offs with the weakness of our district.

I don't quiet see that way. At this point, without seeing a single play yet, I see us at about 50% of what we were last year. Without proper blocking and pass protection all kinds of bad/nasty things happen, injuries, fumbles and just plain botched plays. Ask Garrett Gilbert what a sucky line does to a great team. I can't see us just "picking up from where we left off" last year.

You may be right wimbo,,,,,we'll have to see.

Our district doesn't suck by the way.

[ogg]

O-line got a boost with a big move in this year, should be a big help. Dont see us having a problem with district at all but we'll find out week 0 how good we are against Cuero and also when we play Sealy. I think if we stay healthy we got a great chance to make a big run this year without a doubt!!

Heard about that. Thanks

[Snotbubbles]

O-line got a boost with a big move in this year, should be a big help. Dont see us having a problem with district at all but we'll find out week 0 how good we are against Cuero and also when we play Sealy. I think if we stay healthy we got a great chance to make a big run this year without a doubt!!

Not sure the zero game (vs. Cuero) will be a good measuring stick. Without TJ and that transfer Dallas QB panning out, not sure Cuero will be what all thought out the gate. You'll beat them by 3 or 4 TD's without TJ. Yes, they are Cuero, and they will get these holes filled. Don't see them being up to speed by ya'lls game. Lost's of distractions. Owens will have the Gobs prepared though when it matters like last year, come district and the playoffs.

Wimberley is loaded, talented and will have a awesome season. Top's in what I think is a solid distict for sure. Only thing that might bite them, is if their players get Wimbo's type attitude and overlook someone in district.

Love Nelms, and gonna enjoy watching their journey this season. It should be successful. But, don't assume it boys.

[bulldog82]

agree totally that anything can happen, happened to us in 09. ya'll have state next week, last year ya'l lost a D- back with knee. fred-berg had player have surgery on knee last week from injury a ya'lls tourney. and if kid that collided with ours (totally bush league, malicious intent) at same tourny keeps it up he'll be injured.

[wimbo_pro]

Not sure what you're talking about, Bulldog...can you explain more?
Snotbubbles, it's silly to think we (fans and posters on a board) have ANYTHING to do with what the team thinks on the field. The coaches take care of that. Come on...using your logic, all the polls and magazines that have put us as in the top ten have RUINED our chances for the year because we DARE think we are a decent team!! It's just silly. You guys are acting like I am making a Rocket prediction of State domination...LOL!. All I am saying...and read carefully please...is we will probably dominate our district, and will certainly be at least 3rd best. You guys are acting like its taboo to state the obvious. God lord...

[Tejastrue]

Not sure what you're talking about, Bulldog...can you explain more?
Snotbubbles, it's silly to think we (fans and posters on a board) have ANYTHING to do with what the team thinks on the field. The coaches take care of that. Come on...using your logic, all the polls and magazines that have put us as in the top ten have RUINED our chances for the year because we DARE think we are a decent team!! It's just silly. You guys are acting like I am making a Rocket prediction of State domination...LOL!. All I am saying...and read carefully please...is we will probably dominate our district, and will certainly be at least 3rd best. You guys are acting like its taboo to state the obvious. God lord...

I think it was more of how it appears you dissed the rest of the district teams as opposed to how good you felt our chances were and that is just how the aforementioned person operates. Oh well, it makes for good conversation and draws the posters in. :stirpot:

[bulldog82]

just trying to get you worked up while you're tooting your horn about how great ya'll are. no doubt ya'll are the ones to beat, and last year ya'll could have put more on the board if Nelms would have let ya'll. in 09 we had our time, but that was the begining of a long list of set backs. with Hubbles groin injury, then losing Morrow, then Monroe, Ruiz out for a couple of games. made the playoffs but no depth to move on.

[trojandad]

Not sure what you're talking about, Bulldog...can you explain more?
Snotbubbles, it's silly to think we (fans and posters on a board) have ANYTHING to do with what the team thinks on the field. The coaches take care of that. Come on...using your logic, all the polls and magazines that have put us as in the top ten have RUINED our chances for the year because we DARE think we are a decent team!! It's just silly. You guys are acting like I am making a Rocket prediction of State domination...LOL!. All I am saying...and read carefully please...is we will probably dominate our district, and will certainly be at least 3rd best. You guys are acting like its taboo to state the obvious. God lord...

i agree wimbo, i think you guys will be one of the best out your district.....i think you guys have a lot of talent, enough to run the table, i dont think the team i saw last year would become a juggernaut (i know thats not what your saying, my friend), i think that even with the talent you guys have your gonna need a level of luck, your qb is good, really good, just not dominating, as ours isnt (though hes better than ours on the pass, ours better on the run).....we needed a level of luck last year, we beat kirbyville last yr just because coach alvarez for k'ville decided the second time that his prize runner could run the clock out against us in the second half with a 2 td lead and miserably failed, and this after averaging 50+ yds a reception in the first half, if he had kept throwing in the second half we would have been dead....or in our game against you guys, if smith had not messed up earlier in the year with you guys i think his offense (and defense) would have substantially helped you guys in that game....as it was, we saw a very ordinary player and from all the hype i read we saw 1/10 the player he actually was....plus we played a near perfect game against you guys, and it was easy to see neither side of the ball was working as usual for you guys....was just the luck of the draw....

i think cuero and sealy could easily put a loss each on you guys and id still put you in my top ten.....the only thing i hope doesnt happen to you guys is a repeat of last year with smith, i think that brought you guys down more than hoped, and i wonder just looking from the outside in at that game whether some of the guys liked him coming in at the last game as he did.....it seems, again from an uneducated outsider, like you guys had a tremendous streak working without him and as much as talent usually should help, that it threw the rest of the guys out of kilter somewhat....

but theres nothing id hope for any more than a wimbo - coldspring semi again......except this time at kyle field......good luck to you guys...

[wimbo_pro]

I dont think Smith had any affect at all on our performance (or lack of same) against you guys. He played a total of what...6 plays? 10? We just didnt "click" that night like some other nights, and you guys were just too good for us to recover. I would note that we DID get it together in the 2nd half defensively (I dont think you scored at all the 2nd half). Offensively, we never really got our feet underneath us. You guys were just better.

I do think we will not be undefeated this year, like last year. We have some good teams to play...might even lose a district game, but i doubt it. Still....we will make the play offs. Plain and simple. Call it dissing the district, I dont see it that way...its called reality. Our district, on paper at this point, is weaker than the average district.

[ogg]

just trying to get you worked up while you're tooting your horn about how great ya'll are. no doubt ya'll are the ones to beat, and last year ya'll could have put more on the board if Nelms would have let ya'll. in 09 we had our time, but that was the begining of a long list of set backs. with Hubbles groin injury, then losing Morrow, then Monroe, Ruiz out for a couple of games. made the playoffs but no depth to move on.

I remember that 09 game, was surprised Bandera lost.

[Tejastrue]

I dont think Smith had any affect at all on our performance (or lack of same) against you guys. He played a total of what...6 plays? 10? We just didnt "click" that night like some other nights, and you guys were just too good for us to recover. I would note that we DID get it together in the 2nd half defensively (I dont think you scored at all the 2nd half). Offensively, we never really got our feet underneath us. You guys were just better.

I do think we will not be undefeated this year, like last year. We have some good teams to play...might even lose a district game, but i doubt it. Still....we will make the play offs. Plain and simple. Call it dissing the district, I dont see it that way...its called reality. Our district, on paper at this point, is weaker than the average district.

Fortunately, the game is never played on paper. The Texans would show to be a cellar dweller especially if you go by the DL average size, at least in recent years. Looking at the playoffs Navarro beat some good teams last year and seeing the way Canyon Lake ended up after going 5-5 indicates to me that the district overall has improved and will be even better. Do I still feel Wimberley will win district and/or make the playoffs, absolutely. I just choose to give a little respect towards the other teams who represent 26-3A. :)

[trojandad]

I dont think Smith had any affect at all on our performance (or lack of same) against you guys. He played a total of what...6 plays? 10? We just didnt "click" that night like some other nights, and you guys were just too good for us to recover. I would note that we DID get it together in the 2nd half defensively (I dont think you scored at all the 2nd half). Offensively, we never really got our feet underneath us. You guys were just better.

I do think we will not be undefeated this year, like last year. We have some good teams to play...might even lose a district game, but i doubt it. Still....we will make the play offs. Plain and simple. Call it dissing the district, I dont see it that way...its called reality. Our district, on paper at this point, is weaker than the average district.

i think your right about "not clicking" that night....my only reason for bringing up the smith insertion wasnt about what plays he played but how inserting him at that point in the season might have upset the really great chemistry you guys had going....remember i told you i have a high school friend from there and the word gotto me that several parents of players had said their sons were none too happy with the decision to reinstate smith....kinda reminded me of that 75 ennis team that won it all, they had a good player injured the 2nd game of the season and tried to bring him back only to have it wreck the cohesiveness their guys had obtained through the season, so coach changed the lineup back in the 2nd half and they ran the table....

im not a smith basher, dont know enough about the young man to do so or not to, i just know when you guys were getting excited on here about him coming back, my thought at the time was i hoped they do play him, cause he couldnt help them be on any more of a roll than they already were, and it might not be a good thing....

[Tejastrue]

i think your right about "not clicking" that night....my only reason for bringing up the smith insertion wasnt about what plays he played but how inserting him at that point in the season might have upset the really great chemistry you guys had going....remember i told you i have a high school friend from there and the word gotto me that several parents of players had said their sons were none too happy with the decision to reinstate smith....kinda reminded me of that 75 ennis team that won it all, they had a good player injured the 2nd game of the season and tried to bring him back only to have it wreck the cohesiveness their guys had obtained through the season, so coach changed the lineup back in the 2nd half and they ran the table....

im not a smith basher, dont know enough about the young man to do so or not to, i just know when you guys were getting excited on here about him coming back, my thought at the time was i hoped they do play him, cause he couldnt help them be on any more of a roll than they already were, and it might not be a good thing....

I know this was not addressed to me Trojandad but I was one of those excited about this young man's return. After reflecting on it and hearing some of the same feedback you have maybe it was not the best thing to have done at the time. These ARE 16-18 year old kids. Still, I will not be one to question Nelms decision to allow him to suit up. It is however water under the bridge. I'd liked to think it is behind us now and everything is on the mend. The talent is there that is for sure. The chemistry? Time will tell and very soon. Looking forward to the season and praying for 75 degrees on 8-26.

[gold_33]

i think your right about "not clicking" that night....my only reason for bringing up the smith insertion wasnt about what plays he played but how inserting him at that point in the season might have upset the really great chemistry you guys had going....remember i told you i have a high school friend from there and the word gotto me that several parents of players had said their sons were none too happy with the decision to reinstate smith....kinda reminded me of that 75 ennis team that won it all, they had a good player injured the 2nd game of the season and tried to bring him back only to have it wreck the cohesiveness their guys had obtained through the season, so coach changed the lineup back in the 2nd half and they ran the table....

im not a smith basher, dont know enough about the young man to do so or not to, i just know when you guys were getting excited on here about him coming back, my thought at the time was i hoped they do play him, cause he couldnt help them be on any more of a roll than they already were, and it might not be a good thing....

I agree with you that I dont think it helped the team and from what I saw from him and his body language on the sideline that was Smith didnt seem to be part of the team. Did that effect the outcome of that game?? Probably not because we couldnt get going on either side and lost to the better team hands down. But I think it has helped for this year and made our guys come together as a team and get a family mentality of that your either with us or your out and its about the team and not one person. Thats the mentality the 05 team had and thats what makes a winning team when everyone has each others back and knowing it takes 11 guys not 1 to win games. Hopefully Smith saw that the team could win without him and that with him they could be that much better but also that one person isnt bigger than the team.

[HSFB]

trojandad: “im betting their coach would have their qb trust his 5 or 7 step drops and just let the ball go....he kept not trusting his first reads and by then our rush was getting to him”.....great observation. Reminds me of advice that Eli Manning said that big bro Peyton is always giving him and that is to “see it, sling it…don’t wait”. Some fallout of not trusting instincts and holding the ball is that the pass plays have a chaotic look, everything looks free-lanced including the WR routes, you eventually lose the receiver’s interest which leads to them running lazy routes or just jogging down the field. Now improvisation killed most teams during the regular season and early playoff games but it can gets much harder vs talented teams like Cold Springs.

A crisp route and a timed throw from the QB beat DB’s most of the time. If WR’s know that if they run a crisp route and the ball will be there when they turn then they will put forth the effort. However, in the Cold Springs game, in my opinion, the tuck and runs were caused by pressure from the DL, the WR’s were not getting open (to put it nicely), and the QB was just not seeing it…..which is not uncommon at all at the HS level.

That being said, those positions had a tremendous year which is evident of being one game away from playing for it all. It’s just an opportunity for improvement area and we all certainly have those.
WR’s and QB have now had a full year to work to together which will lead to more consistency and timing. Wimberley 7 on 7 squad will be playing at the state 7-on-7 tournament this weekend in College station and I expect the success that they have had this summer to carry over to Friday nights……just like the success that they had last year carrying over to 7 on 7 :)

[ogg]

Totally agree! Welcome to 3A Downlow.

[bulldog82]

Was wondering where the new pizza place in wimberley is located, since that was the reason for lamberts moving there, to open one of their pizza parlors.

[HSFB]

Was wondering where the new pizza place in wimberley is located, since that was the reason for lamberts moving there, to open one of their pizza parlors.

It is actually in New Braunfels and the food is great....

Bosses Pizza & Sandwiches
263 Loop 337
New Braunfels, TX 78130

[trojandad]

I agree with you that I dont think it helped the team and from what I saw from him and his body language on the sideline that was Smith didnt seem to be part of the team. Did that effect the outcome of that game?? Probably not because we couldnt get going on either side and lost to the better team hands down. But I think it has helped for this year and made our guys come together as a team and get a family mentality of that your either with us or your out and its about the team and not one person. Thats the mentality the 05 team had and thats what makes a winning team when everyone has each others back and knowing it takes 11 guys not 1 to win games. Hopefully Smith saw that the team could win without him and that with him they could be that much better but also that one person isnt bigger than the team.

so true...he looked very out of place, as well he should have, i would have felt out of place too having laid off that long, he especially looked out of place on the defensive side of the ball, he was getting caught up in the line scruffs rather than bouncing around them like your other lbs with practice playing were doing....and please dont hear my thoughts as being a bash on you guys or the coach, i probably would have sent him in as well, even if my doing so messed with an undefeated chemistry or not....i mean once one is at the semifinal level, thoughts have to run to preparing for the next game, and neither team would be a pushover in THAT game....

the big reason i hope good things for the young man is games like that can turn into real mental road blocks if, say, he runs into trouble again this year....plus it can speak volumes to college teams looking at him...after reading about his past i sure hope he can outrun his demons....

not trying to relate the two in details, but we had a rb in the mid 2000's that was the best ive seen since dickerson, on varsity the first 11 times he ran the ball as a freshman he scored, then missed one rush and scored the next 3 (why the coach wouldnt leave him out there i have no clue, was a "freshman cant be starters" thought he had, but the kid would score from anywhere on the field)....anyway as the young man advanced, he would get into more and more trouble, miss practices, but still be brilliant when handed the ball....turns out after he finally dropped out we found out that his dad was EXTREMELY against him going to college, and the more recruiters would contact them, the more he came down on his son......now his son is sitting on his dads front porch with him all day long, drinking beer and thumbing their noses at the world going by....demons, of any type, can sure be a burden.....

[wimbo_pro]

Fortunately, the game is never played on paper. The Texans would show to be a cellar dweller especially if you go by the DL average size, at least in recent years. Looking at the playoffs Navarro beat some good teams last year and seeing the way Canyon Lake ended up after going 5-5 indicates to me that the district overall has improved and will be even better. Do I still feel Wimberley will win district and/or make the playoffs, absolutely. I just choose to give a little respect towards the other teams who represent 26-3A. :)

TJ...I respect the other teams, I think you have taken my comments out of context. In fact, Navarro and Canyon Lake are the two I do worry about the most when it comes to winning the district this year...and then add to it the spoiler Llano. But here is the thing...worrying about winning the district is a worthless endeavor if your goal is to win the state championship. All we need is for Wimberley to be no worse than THIRD in this district... and the chances of us being less than 3rd is S-L-I-M. Job ONE...get to the play offs. It doesnt matter how...we are going D2 no matter what happens, no matter who beats us as long as we are 3rd best. Just get there.

I think I see the disconnect here. You seem to be more worried about how "the obvious" is seen to our district friends...when I see it as "obvious" that our district friends see us as at least 3rd best in the district. I mean no disrespect to our District friends, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you. But it seems to me that when a Texan fans agrees with EVERY authority in the state that says we are at least a STATE top 10 (and no other team in our district is ranked anywhere NEAR that)...you seem to get frazzled when I agree and then you start wringing your hands, worried what others might think. I encourage you to stop that.

As to those who think the kids on our team read this board and that this board has influence over them.....I suggest to you the following....Maybe a little confidence in our abilities might serve the team better than worrying about what others might think about us if we were to fail.

[ogg]

I have no doubt that this up coming season will be Dennis's best.

http://tamu.247sports.com/Article/GigEm247-interview-with-Wimberley-Running-Back-Dennis-Smith-9178

[wimbo_pro]

TrojanDad...for some reason, I dont think we will "run the table" this year. I think we will make the play offs for sure (ok...I'm as sure about it as any fan can be...), and then we shall see what happens from there. We have the talent to win it all, but so does 10 other teams. I know this though....

We have the talent, we have the experience, we have the coaching...and we have the desire (having come so close last year). We are in as good of a position to win it all since 2005 as we could have hoped. Losing to Sealy and/or Cuero?? VERY possible. But unimportant, in the scheme of things.

Regarding Smith...I put my trust in Coach Nelms and his leadership. He will make the right decision. I disagree with your assessment as to the impact last year, but thats debatable either way. We just got beat by a better team.

[wimbo_pro]

I have no doubt that this up coming season will be Dennis's best.

http://tamu.247sports.com/Article/GigEm247-interview-with-Wimberley-Running-Back-Dennis-Smith-9178

Hope so OGG. Not for the Texans only (we will be fine either way), but for him as a man. I wish him the best in his life beyond high school.

[Tejastrue]

TJ...I respect the other teams, I think you have taken my comments out of context. In fact, Navarro and Canyon Lake are the two I do worry about the most when it comes to winning the district this year...and then add to it the spoiler Llano. But here is the thing...worrying about winning the district is a worthless endeavor if your goal is to win the state championship. All we need is for Wimberley to be no worse than THIRD in this district... and the chances of us being less than 3rd is S-L-I-M. Job ONE...get to the play offs. It doesnt matter how...we are going D2 no matter what happens, no matter who beats us as long as we are 3rd best. Just get there.

I think I see the disconnect here. You seem to be more worried about how "the obvious" is seen to our district friends...when I see it as "obvious" that our district friends see us as at least 3rd best in the district. I mean no disrespect to our District friends, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you. But it seems to me that when a Texan fans agrees with EVERY authority in the state that says we are at least a STATE top 10 (and no other team in our district is ranked anywhere NEAR that)...you seem to get frazzled when I agree and then you start wringing your hands, worried what others might think. I encourage you to stop that.

As to those who think the kids on our team read this board and that this board has influence over them.....I suggest to you the following....Maybe a little confidence in our abilities might serve the team better than worrying about what others might think about us if we were to fail.

Wimbo, in the short time I've been a member here I've always appreciated your comments and opinions, whether they be humorous or sincere. That is why I was surprised when I read what I believed to be out of character for you. Frazzled :confused: Not at all. Maybe I read much too far into the comments. I didn't see it that way but if you believe that to be the case then please accept my apologies. The last thing I want here is for fellow Texan supporters to be haggling over things of this nature. With that being said I'm looking forward to the season. The core group of seniors have paid their dues. It would be fitting to have that SC back in Wimberley.

[HSFB]

OK, I’ll bite on a scouting report….
Well first on Coach Cockerham since this was brought up earlier in this thread. He is one of the best coaches that I have ever been around at any level…period.

On to the team evaluation and I will do my bet to remove my homer glasses and I qualify this as I am just a fan of the game so everything that I throw out is just my humble opinion.

Running game:
The offence will certainly be explosive even with an unproven line as they will not have to hold long due to the skill position talent. If the o-line steps up then look-out. That being said, not much happens without the hogs up front which leads me to a soap-box moment. I would like to see more skill position guys immediately run/turn to thank their OL after scores (don’t wait for them to come to you) instead of the look at me stuff that goes on most of the time as the OL does the dirty work that makes everything else possible with almost zero recognition and when they do get noticed it is usually getting their azz chewed for something not working. Show them that type of respect/gratitude when they earn it and they will kill for you on every snap…..and that is team first leadership. I love it when I see kids immediately deflect any personal attention and point to the team and especially when they show it on the field. Not referencing a particular player or team. It is just a general observation and it happens at all levels….ok, off the box now.

….ok back on the O….So slow developing plays may be a problem. I have never been a big fan of the GT play due to the appearance that everything has to click just right and too often it allows the action to come to you and a physical back like Smith has almost zero momentum going in his favor when he hits the line so it goes against his strength….but it is a beautiful thing when it does work. However, plays that force the action by getting to the point of attack or edge quickly and gets the D playing on their heels should see consistent success and any type of option play due to the skill position talent of Brady, Smith, Blakemore, Wilson, & company will be hard to defend. Smith pretty much imposes his will on most teams. You can see this at times starting around mid 3rd quarter when has worn a D down. So who or what facet do you focus on shutting down if you are a D-Coord??...that will not be a pleasant task.

Passing Game:
Again, the OL will determine if the attack is via quick hits or slower developing routes or if the pocket moves. Either way, the passing game will be outstanding with Brady pulling the trigger as he is able to improvise and buy time when things break down. I would like to see more timing patterns which would mitigate many of the helter-skelter looking pass plays and keep him a little cleaner. Brady to Blakemore will be big. Blakemore is one if the best athletes that I have ever seen at the school/HS level. His general slow motion feel for the game automatically puts him steps ahead of most everyone else.

Defense:
I honestly feel that the D is the wild card here in that does not seem to be getting much attention. The 05 D was special but I do feel that this D has the talent to be just as good and I will stop there as it has to be proven on the field. I know that is saying a lot but I know these boys and I just do not see a weakness and I’m doing my best to be objective. Keep in mind; we were one game away from the state championship game with a bunch of Jr’s and key sophs in the starting lineup (8 D returning starters). In my opinion, the DL will be stronger which will apply the pressure that makes everything else behind them click. Alana is a tremendous athlete at LB with the size, speed, work ethic and mentality to be dominant and he was just that before getting injured last year…….he will do a bunch of the cleaning-up. In addition, Smith coming back will have a domino effect that will benefit the D as well. Meaning him or Wilson can be on D when not at RB. I’m factoring in players not having to go both ways which this team certainly has the across the board talent to do that and that is VERY BIG in 3A football. I see the D pitching some shutouts this year. They will probably be playing with a lead most of the time which will enable them to attack even more which leads to negative plays and turnovers….just a snowball effect. Sure there will be a few big plays, maybe early 1st quarter scores or late garbage time points against them but good luck trying to sustain drives.

Coaching:
Bunch of good men here that I have had the pleasure of getting to know through the years. Nelms and staff have a string of deep playoff runs and a state title in 05 as well….we are good here.

Closing:
I only mentioned some names but when teams like this come up through the years there are players who do not get much hype/pub who would be headliners on other teams. Just comes with the territory on this type of squad.

This SR class has been HIGHLY-successful at every level of football. They have always had a certain will-to-win about them which is especially fun to watch when they are challenged. I will not predict state championship because, as you know, you need a certain amount of luck and the health factor is always a concern....but if we can stay healthy and boy I sure do hate getting beat-up in pre-season scrimmages which I do not feel is necessary for an experienced squad like this….but if we stay healthy then I like our chances to make it to the big game and then who knows.

[ogg]

TJ...I respect the other teams, I think you have taken my comments out of context. In fact, Navarro and Canyon Lake are the two I do worry about the most when it comes to winning the district this year...and then add to it the spoiler Llano. But here is the thing...worrying about winning the district is a worthless endeavor if your goal is to win the state championship. All we need is for Wimberley to be no worse than THIRD in this district... and the chances of us being less than 3rd is S-L-I-M. Job ONE...get to the play offs. It doesnt matter how...we are going D2 no matter what happens, no matter who beats us as long as we are 3rd best. Just get there.

I think I see the disconnect here. You seem to be more worried about how "the obvious" is seen to our district friends...when I see it as "obvious" that our district friends see us as at least 3rd best in the district. I mean no disrespect to our District friends, and I certainly mean no disrespect to you. But it seems to me that when a Texan fans agrees with EVERY authority in the state that says we are at least a STATE top 10 (and no other team in our district is ranked anywhere NEAR that)...you seem to get frazzled when I agree and then you start wringing your hands, worried what others might think. I encourage you to stop that.

As to those who think the kids on our team read this board and that this board has influence over them.....I suggest to you the following....Maybe a little confidence in our abilities might serve the team better than worrying about what others might think about us if we were to fail.

Llano hasn't been in our district in a couple of years Wimbo_Rocket. Hey, come over to my house and bring what your drinking, I have a new bottle of Patron! LOL

[wimbo_pro]

Llano hasn't been in our district in a couple of years Wimbo_Rocket. Hey, come over to my house and bring what your drinking, I have a new bottle of Patron! LOL

LOL...Patron?? I am there, Baby!! I apologize....I meant Boerne. My bad...I still have memories of Llano, no matter how good or bad either of us were, playing each other to the very end! I remember the wooden benches in their stadium...old school, but sheesh, I wonder if they are still there??? Anyways...my point remains. I guess predicting a play off appearance (not a Herculean task in our district) versus predicting a state-wide wipe out (Hello, Rocket) ranks in the category of "Rocket-dom" with you. Oh well...so be it!!! Let's get it on!!!

[wimbo_pro]

HSFB...great analysis. My only thought in all this...our defense was NOT good last year. In fact, it was terrible for most of the season. The stats prove it. Teams scored at will on us. We won last year by out scoring the opponent, not by shutting them down. We had WAY too many point scored against us. Coach Smith had an unsurmountable hill to climb with all the injuries...but he did it, as he always does. Come the play offs, we were FAR better. We even shut down Cold Springs in the 2nd half....ZERO points scored. It was our offense that didnt produce in that game. But as far as stats throughout the season, we were terrible defensively.

[wimbo_pro]

Wimbo, in the short time I've been a member here I've always appreciated your comments and opinions, whether they be humorous or sincere. That is why I was surprised when I read what I believed to be out of character for you. Frazzled :confused: Not at all. Maybe I read much too far into the comments. I didn't see it that way but if you believe that to be the case then please accept my apologies. The last thing I want here is for fellow Texan supporters to be haggling over things of this nature. With that being said I'm looking forward to the season. The core group of seniors have paid their dues. It would be fitting to have that SC back in Wimberley.

No need for an apology at all! As I said..no disrespect meant at all. We are good!

[gold_33]

Defense will be the key component, we have the fire power on offense but like everyone knows defense wins championships. Same way in 05, we started the year slow on offense but were stellar on D and they made plays and forced turnovers that made it easier on O. Then once the O clicked by the end of season it continyed through the playoffs until the state game where the D proved to be the difference. I think we have the talent this year to have a good D this year they just need to step up and prove themselves and play mean like the '05 guys did where they wanted to rip everyones head off and 11 guys were always around the ball. That Code Red D was outstanding and they were in '04 also when we lost and they continued it into the next year and won in '05. The '06 team had just as many offensive weapons as we do this year but didnt have the D to be the rock when adversity struck and lost to a team that outscored them. I just didnt see that intensity and swagger from our D last year to get me high expectations on them this year but that doesnt mean that everything wont click this year at the right time. If it does then we will be hard to beat if not then it'll be another long run in the playoffs til we play a team we cant outscore. Preseason will be a good test to see where we are and I dont expect anyone in district being able to matchup with us athlete wise unless we just dont show up ready to play and get upset, so I expect us to make a strong playoff run again but the D will determine how far we go. This is probably the best team we've had since '05-'06 and there's alot of excitement around town surrounding this season, so hopefully the guys will be ready to step it up and finish the job this year!!

[wimbo_pro]

All true Gold33...it will all depend on the defense. Our offense will be plenty powerful enough to carry us through most games, but not all games.

[Gone Fishing]

Well guys, I'm new. I read down low all last year and really enjoyed it and had fun listening to all the comments. First I'm a football nut and I love HS football more than anyother. I know Wimberley football very good. After reading all the scouting Wimberley threads , I just had to join. I felt some of yall are alittle off on some things AND some of the skill players get too much credit for sure. First, I know the 05 team pretty well and the ability of most of those players. They were very deep and many of those players in other years would have gone both ways at the 3 A level but they didnt have to and that made them even better. Buck Burnette didnt even play both ways unless we had to stop something in the middle. Wimberley may have that possiblity this year too if its done right and that could be the difference. With that said, I think the defense has No problems at all and its the offense that would be the let down if there was one. The D B 's may need to fill a hole or two and thats it. The offense did great against really bad teams last year and put up big stats but (including the move in QB who just took off running when things went bad and totally got away with it.) In the last three playoffs games the other teams had a great game plan but only CS had the players to pull it off. I think it was don't let the QB run and make him throw. (just my opinion) Sweeny and Navarro just didnt have enough players but CS was really good and obviously could do it. Also a question I have for Ya'll is we only hear about 4 or 5 players for wimberley but ranked 3rd (Dave Campbell) and they have 8 and 8 returning? I know some Jrs were really good last year and some Soph got some playing time, but who do the have to fill some of those DB, and OL spots? They had a great Kicker and have for years, ,do they have a new kicker, the other kicker was a senior and a good rec. Also, what about other recievers? and what about another QB? If that guy doesnt move here last year who would QB? Oh well I joined to be able to post so my first one might as well be long. I hope to throw my two cents around for a while. Good luck.

[wimbo_pro]

Well guys, I'm new. I read down low all last year and really enjoyed it and had fun listening to all the comments. First I'm a football nut and I love HS football more than anyother. I know Wimberley football very good. After reading all the scouting Wimberley threads , I just had to join. I felt some of yall are alittle off on some things AND some of the skill players get too much credit for sure. First, I know the 05 team pretty well and the ability of most of those players. They were very deep and many of those players in other years would have gone both ways at the 3 A level but they didnt have to and that made them even better. Buck Burnette didnt even play both ways unless we had to stop something in the middle. Wimberley may have that possiblity this year too if its done right and that could be the difference. With that said, I think the defense has No problems at all and its the offense that would be the let down if there was one. The D B 's may need to fill a hole or two and thats it. The offense did great against really bad teams last year and put up big stats but (including the move in QB who just took off running when things went bad and totally got away with it.) In the last three playoffs games the other teams had a great game plan but only CS had the players to pull it off. I think it was don't let the QB run and make him throw. (just my opinion) Sweeny and Navarro just didnt have enough players but CS was really good and obviously could do it. Also a question I have for Ya'll is we only hear about 4 or 5 players for wimberley but ranked 3rd (Dave Campbell) and they have 8 and 8 returning? I know some Jrs were really good last year and some Soph got some playing time, but who do the have to fill some of those DB, and OL spots? They had a great Kicker and have for years, ,do they have a new kicker, the other kicker was a senior and a good rec. Also, what about other recievers? and what about another QB? If that guy doesnt move here last year who would QB? Oh well I joined to be able to post so my first one might as well be long. I hope to throw my two cents around for a while. Good luck.

Welcome to the board, Fishing! Good analysis. I can see your point on the "...if there is a letdown.." comment, but not sure I totally agree with it. I do agree with your assessment on the QB. Great kid, great athlete, but not the best throwing arm in the Hill Country. I understand he has been working hard to improve that, so I look forward to seeing him this year. Can't wait to see Cuero here the first game!!!

[wimbo_pro]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! It just struck me like a ton of bricks...I am OUT OF TOWN for the Cuero game!!!! Actually, out of country. CRRAAAPPPPPP!!!!!

[lbjacj]

I have no doubt that this up coming season will be Dennis's best.

http://tamu.247sports.com/Article/GigEm247-interview-with-Wimberley-Running-Back-Dennis-Smith-9178

I hope you are right OGG. Dennis has had his ups and downs and hopefully he will finish his HS years with a SC. The team looks great on paper but it takes a lot of luck, few injuries, and good team chemistry to win it all. Can the Texans do it? By all means! Will they? That remains to be seen.They have a real good shot at it. I predict a 9-1 reg season
and a district championship with a playoff run to the state quarterfinals at least and hopefully a SC!

[BigGreen61]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! It just struck me like a ton of bricks...I am OUT OF TOWN for the Cuero game!!!! Actually, out of country. CRRAAAPPPPPP!!!!!
Sorry wimbo, u want be able to make the game. The cuero game will come down to linemen play an turnovers. Plus we have two moveins that could change the game on any play. When u have tradition vs talent u never no what could happen. Sounds like a SHOOTOUT IN THE HILL COUNTRY!!!

[Tejastrue]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! It just struck me like a ton of bricks...I am OUT OF TOWN for the Cuero game!!!! Actually, out of country. CRRAAAPPPPPP!!!!!

Headed back to Tijuana huh Wimbo? :)

[bulldog82]

[QUOTE=HSFB;1593004]It is actually in New Braunfels and the food is great....

Bosses Pizza & Sandwiches
263 Loop 337
New Braunfels, TX 78130[/QUOT

Stopped there on the way back from college station. Not bad, thanks for location and referal

[trojandad]

HSFB...great analysis. My only thought in all this...our defense was NOT good last year. In fact, it was terrible for most of the season. The stats prove it. Teams scored at will on us. We won last year by out scoring the opponent, not by shutting them down. We had WAY too many point scored against us. Coach Smith had an unsurmountable hill to climb with all the injuries...but he did it, as he always does. Come the play offs, we were FAR better. We even shut down Cold Springs in the 2nd half....ZERO points scored. It was our offense that didnt produce in that game. But as far as stats throughout the season, we were terrible defensively.

you know, wimbo, ive seen where youve posted this "we shut them down in the second half" several times and, first off, it may be correct, but i went back and checked stats on this game, and it turns out that in the second half we attempted 5 passes, all but one on 3rd downs, ending drives....it seems like it was a choice to throw by coach because each of those 3rd downs that we threw and incompleted it was 3rd and less than 7 yds to go, except for one which was long yardage.....the reason i make the third and 7 yds or less notation is that we were averaging 8.9 yds a carry in the first half, 8.5 yds/carry in the second half, a reduction for sure but a long way from shutting us down....i think coach decided to throw the ball a bit getting ready for the next round....our passing game was awful last year and ended more than one drive for us all year....the thing is, though, that if we needed seven or less on several drives and as a team we were averaging over 8 in the second half, with gilbert averaging over 10/carry in the second half and our big fb averaging 9/carry in the second half, it looks to me (and, of course, i could be way off) like it was more of our play calling that shut us down the second half.....but i can definitely be wrong, for sure.....

i think the place i disagree with your assessment of the game the most is your compliment of just having been beaten by a better team.....on your last drive if your receiver had caught that wide open ball in the endzone, you guys would have been down by 5 with an onside kick to come......and all this after your running game only averaged 1 yd/carry all night, and while gilbert is averaging 14 yds/carry.....i dont see the game as much of a runaway to our side as you gratiously describe....i think if you guys played that game 10 more times you wouldnt have possibly played as bad a game as you did, and yet your coaches STILL had you guys within a dropped ball within being 5 down, i think that speaks volumes to them.....

the two really unsung heroes on our playoff run was our two def tackles, those guys wont receive the all state honors they should because theyre both "bad bodied" players, in other words they have warren sapp disease.....but they shut down ford of kirbyville, held you guys to 1 yd/carry and even took carthage rb to less than 100, even during a second half when they were TRYING to run the ball to end the game, and this guy went for over 300 against brownwood....we were even trying to rush carthage qb hard in the second half aand still the dt's kept them from running the ball.....all season those guys took care of the middle so the lb's could roam more and use their speed.....when people talk about what we lost this year its always good to know we have those two starting interior linemen coming back this year for rushing defense.....

so while i may not agree with you about shutting us dowwn in the second half, i sure disagree with you that you guys were just beaten by a better team......you still almost won that game while playing one of your worst ones of the year......:2thumbsup

[gold_33]

Well guys, I'm new. I read down low all last year and really enjoyed it and had fun listening to all the comments. First I'm a football nut and I love HS football more than anyother. I know Wimberley football very good. After reading all the scouting Wimberley threads , I just had to join. I felt some of yall are alittle off on some things AND some of the skill players get too much credit for sure. First, I know the 05 team pretty well and the ability of most of those players. They were very deep and many of those players in other years would have gone both ways at the 3 A level but they didnt have to and that made them even better. Buck Burnette didnt even play both ways unless we had to stop something in the middle. Wimberley may have that possiblity this year too if its done right and that could be the difference. With that said, I think the defense has No problems at all and its the offense that would be the let down if there was one. The D B 's may need to fill a hole or two and thats it. The offense did great against really bad teams last year and put up big stats but (including the move in QB who just took off running when things went bad and totally got away with it.) In the last three playoffs games the other teams had a great game plan but only CS had the players to pull it off. I think it was don't let the QB run and make him throw. (just my opinion) Sweeny and Navarro just didnt have enough players but CS was really good and obviously could do it. Also a question I have for Ya'll is we only hear about 4 or 5 players for wimberley but ranked 3rd (Dave Campbell) and they have 8 and 8 returning? I know some Jrs were really good last year and some Soph got some playing time, but who do the have to fill some of those DB, and OL spots? They had a great Kicker and have for years, ,do they have a new kicker, the other kicker was a senior and a good rec. Also, what about other recievers? and what about another QB? If that guy doesnt move here last year who would QB? Oh well I joined to be able to post so my first one might as well be long. I hope to throw my two cents around for a while. Good luck.

I have to disagree with that, the D let up a lot of points in a lot of games last year and it was because of the O's ability to outscore the teams that we won those games. The D wasn't good against CS and allowed like 10yds a carry and we were shut down on O for the first time all season and didnt have enough power on D to make stops when we needed to. Granted injuries played a big role last year especially on D and some of those guys are back and healthy this year and the guys that filled in got alot of playing time so it could help our depth. I wouldnt call Sealy, Navarro, Cuero bad teams at all and the O scored on them just as much as they did against the weaker teams. The DB's is probably our strongest returning group with Smith, Blakemore, Burtschell and Gray all back this year plus when Lambert plays there so idk how you get there is wholes there that are of concern. The reason we all talk about the 4 or 5 guys is because they are all game changers and they have huge impacts in every game and in the world of sports those type of guys get talked about more often. OL should get a boost from a new move in we got but we will see just how good he is once season begins, I think most of the line returns this year and there were some good guys on JV that will be a factor also. WR will be fine they return most of the guys from last year plus get a couple guys that were pretty good on JV as well. The kicker is gonna be a huge question mark and will be intersting to see what happens there. The backup QB from last year graduated so im guessing the JV QB will get the nod this year at backup. Hope that answered a few of your questions and welcome to the board!!

[Tejastrue]

Trojandad, I've followed along here enough to appreciate your comments. I however do not agree totally with Wimbo's opinions and I'm disappointed that he seems to be the only one you choose to respond to. I believe that if our team had been the same from day one as we had been when we met in the semis that we would have been able to overcome any of our first year QB jitters and this would be a much different conversation. I'm not sure if we would have matched up well with Carthage or Brownwood (who in my opinion was the better team last year). Alas, that is impossible to re-create at this point. I hope we are able to meet again this year in the same scenario. This of course would mean that one of us will be playing for the SC.

[trojandad]

Trojandad, I've followed along here enough to appreciate your comments. I however do not agree totally with Wimbo's opinions and I'm disappointed that he seems to be the only one you choose to respond to. I believe that if our team had been the same from day one as we had been when we met in the semis that we would have been able to overcome any of our first year QB jitters and this would be a much different conversation. I'm not sure if we would have matched up well with Carthage or Brownwood (who in my opinion was the better team last year). Alas, that is impossible to re-create at this point. I hope we are able to meet again this year in the same scenario. This of course would mean that one of us will be playing for the SC.

sorry, tt, wimbo and i had some good talks last year actually during the game about both teams strengths AND their weaknesses and thats why i was speaking toward him, but just from what i saw you guys strength was on offense even though both sides of the ball were having a rough night that night....we had been able to shut down most running games all year, our team speed helped with teams trying to take the corners, so i was most worried about the passing game, and even with a bad night your qb still almost made enough good plays to beat us....if we met again i bet hed have a much better game....

but several have said that you guys defense just needs to be tweeked, and i only got one games observation, but it defeinitely looks like the (i wont say weakest) less successful side of the ball....when you guys would put 8 in the box to stop our rushing up the middle, it left one on ones on the corners for our rb's to beat, and it seemed we had more speed between the two...likewise when you guys doubled the corners then either cummings or traylor (our fb) had good gains up the middle.....if we had a passing game to put further pressure on your defense i think it would have been a worse night....

one thing that might be interesting to watch with you guys is to see what your coach does with smith and other good athletes you guys have....the year before last we made it to one game before meeting carthage with a rb that was by FAR our leading rusher, then before the year started coach convinced him that we would have a better team if he took his speed to the defensive side of the ball full time, so he got almost no carries his senior year but look how far we went....i have a lot of confidence that your coach has much more knowledge of his team than i do but it sure will be interesting to see if he loads his defense with more of his superior athletes on a full time basis as barbay did with us....

[ogg]

Myth: You need a great defense to compete for the state title.
Fact: To play on the big stage and win you need good special team play, few turnovers, and health. Offensive domination goes without saying.

Looking historically at Wimberley--------heck, their offense has been their best defense. This is why they can be 28 pt. down at the half and you just know as a fan that this game isn’t over. Teams like this are explosive.

I’ll say this, if your team is a ground force, (3 yard and a cloud of dust) don’t fall too far behind in points! This is where D is very, very important.

[ogg]

I hope you are right OGG. Dennis has had his ups and downs and hopefully he will finish his HS years with a SC. The team looks great on paper but it takes a lot of luck, few injuries, and good team chemistry to win it all. Can the Texans do it? By all means! Will they? That remains to be seen.They have a real good shot at it. I predict a 9-1 reg season
and a district championship with a playoff run to the state quarterfinals at least and hopefully a SC!

Who's that 1 in your 9-1 prediction?

[ogg]

Well guys, I'm new. I read down low all last year and really enjoyed it and had fun listening to all the comments. First I'm a football nut and I love HS football more than anyother. I know Wimberley football very good. After reading all the scouting Wimberley threads , I just had to join. I felt some of yall are alittle off on some things AND some of the skill players get too much credit for sure. First, I know the 05 team pretty well and the ability of most of those players. They were very deep and many of those players in other years would have gone both ways at the 3 A level but they didnt have to and that made them even better. Buck Burnette didnt even play both ways unless we had to stop something in the middle. Wimberley may have that possiblity this year too if its done right and that could be the difference. With that said, I think the defense has No problems at all and its the offense that would be the let down if there was one. The D B 's may need to fill a hole or two and thats it. The offense did great against really bad teams last year and put up big stats but (including the move in QB who just took off running when things went bad and totally got away with it.) In the last three playoffs games the other teams had a great game plan but only CS had the players to pull it off. I think it was don't let the QB run and make him throw. (just my opinion) Sweeny and Navarro just didnt have enough players but CS was really good and obviously could do it. Also a question I have for Ya'll is we only hear about 4 or 5 players for wimberley but ranked 3rd (Dave Campbell) and they have 8 and 8 returning? I know some Jrs were really good last year and some Soph got some playing time, but who do the have to fill some of those DB, and OL spots? They had a great Kicker and have for years, ,do they have a new kicker, the other kicker was a senior and a good rec. Also, what about other recievers? and what about another QB? If that guy doesnt move here last year who would QB? Oh well I joined to be able to post so my first one might as well be long. I hope to throw my two cents around for a while. Good luck.

Welcome and glad your here. Look forward to your posts!

Like I've always said, high school 3A is the purest form of football.

[ogg]

All true Gold33...it will all depend on the defense. Our offense will be plenty powerful enough to carry us through most games, but not all games.

I think our D players will bring it this year. Faster and with more size.

[Tejastrue]

sorry, tt, wimbo and i had some good talks last year actually during the game about both teams strengths AND their weaknesses and thats why i was speaking toward him, but just from what i saw you guys strength was on offense even though both sides of the ball were having a rough night that night....we had been able to shut down most running games all year, our team speed helped with teams trying to take the corners, so i was most worried about the passing game, and even with a bad night your qb still almost made enough good plays to beat us....if we met again i bet hed have a much better game....

but several have said that you guys defense just needs to be tweeked, and i only got one games observation, but it defeinitely looks like the (i wont say weakest) less successful side of the ball....when you guys would put 8 in the box to stop our rushing up the middle, it left one on ones on the corners for our rb's to beat, and it seemed we had more speed between the two...likewise when you guys doubled the corners then either cummings or traylor (our fb) had good gains up the middle.....if we had a passing game to put further pressure on your defense i think it would have been a worse night....

one thing that might be interesting to watch with you guys is to see what your coach does with smith and other good athletes you guys have....the year before last we made it to one game before meeting carthage with a rb that was by FAR our leading rusher, then before the year started coach convinced him that we would have a better team if he took his speed to the defensive side of the ball full time, so he got almost no carries his senior year but look how far we went....i have a lot of confidence that your coach has much more knowledge of his team than i do but it sure will be interesting to see if he loads his defense with more of his superior athletes on a full time basis as barbay did with us....

Thanks for taking the time Trojandad. Not so jealous now. It's easy to sit here and share all the "what if this happened or that happened". I'm pretty good at that. I do look for our QB to air it out more this year. He has the arm strength. Hopefully everything has slowed down for him. I'm excited about the season but even with 8/8 returning there are still questions that need to be addressed such as what you have mentioned. I think a lot of our problems last year (mainly on defense) were the injuries and to key people. We would get one back only to lose another. Most were serious injuries. Never had the same team from week to week. I pray that we can avoid that same scenario. I have concerns this year with our OL and DL because we took some big hits due to graduation. Maybe some of my Wimberley brethren insiders can share any positive news.

[trojandad]

Thanks for taking the time Trojandad. Not so jealous now. It's easy to sit here and share all the "what if this happened or that happened". I'm pretty good at that. I do look for our QB to air it out more this year. He has the arm strength. Hopefully everything has slowed down for him. I'm excited about the season but even with 8/8 returning there are still questions that need to be addressed such as what you have mentioned. I think a lot of our problems last year (mainly on defense) were the injuries and to key people. We would get one back only to lose another. Most were serious injuries. Never had the same team from week to week. I pray that we can avoid that same scenario. I have concerns this year with our OL and DL because we took some big hits due to graduation. Maybe some of my Wimberley brethren insiders can share any positive news.

i was really rooting for your qb, having been a fair one back in my day....he had several open looks on 3 step drops that your coach was calling in the 2nd half in order to try and cool our rush,and yet he was seeing something i wasnt seeing because he would pull the ball down and always run right......i sure understand he wasnt wanting to throw another pick but at the late point in the game i would have made us make the play....morgan did the same thing the following week and had good success against us....i think your qb has really good size to look over everything, hes just got to learn that old trick that being conservative works for the first three quarters, in that last one, you take a few more chances.....plus you throw a ball in the 4th qtr that doesnt necessarily get run with after the catch, that its a "my guy will catch it or its in the ground" kinda pass....all the kind of things that come with experience, and he got a bunch last yr....

[Gone Fishing]

I have to disagree with that, the D let up a lot of points in a lot of games last year and it was because of the O's ability to outscore the teams that we won those games. The D wasn't good against CS and allowed like 10yds a carry and we were shut down on O for the first time all season and didnt have enough power on D to make stops when we needed to. Granted injuries played a big role last year especially on D and some of those guys are back and healthy this year and the guys that filled in got alot of playing time so it could help our depth. I wouldnt call Sealy, Navarro, Cuero bad teams at all and the O scored on them just as much as they did against the weaker teams. The DB's is probably our strongest returning group with Smith, Blakemore, Burtschell and Gray all back this year plus when Lambert plays there so idk how you get there is wholes there that are of concern. The reason we all talk about the 4 or 5 guys is because they are all game changers and they have huge impacts in every game and in the world of sports those type of guys get talked about more often. OL should get a boost from a new move in we got but we will see just how good he is once season begins, I think most of the line returns this year and there were some good guys on JV that will be a factor also. WR will be fine they return most of the guys from last year plus get a couple guys that were pretty good on JV as well. The kicker is gonna be a huge question mark and will be intersting to see what happens there. The backup QB from last year graduated so im guessing the JV QB will get the nod this year at backup. Hope that answered a few of your questions and welcome to the board!!

well I have to disagree with that, because I remember at least 2 games (or more) against very bad teams that they were either tied or down at halftime and everybody was saying oh look, Fred or whoever has wimberley down. Of course we all knew wimberley would win, but it seems like O wasnt doing very good and D was hanging in there. I believe with no doubt the D will be the key, especially if the keep players from going both ways. Even with the Smith and Blakemore and Brady show , it is TEAM that wins. Did I say TEAM, yes I did, They need to figure out how to play as a TEAM or it wont happen. If remember right the TEAM went on a crazy win and kick ass run when there was no Blackemore or Smith. Your 7 0n 7 team was almost a joke how the qb only looked and went Blakemore, wether he was open or not, the other guys were so open it was funny. I know what my game plan would be ! At my last check I have that it takes 11 and then 11 and then 22 to win, not 3 or 4! The 05 team that won state for Wimberley had 11 and 11 and 22! and played as a team, but with that said, they had 4 or 5 that were better than the other players, you just would not have known it from their actions. Wimberley has a lot of very good players, (very deep) just like 05. you just need to use them all. ( just my opinoin)

Thanks for welcoming me. I really don't know crap! Ha. Ha.

[Gone Fishing]

i was really rooting for your qb, having been a fair one back in my day....he had several open looks on 3 step drops that your coach was calling in the 2nd half in order to try and cool our rush,and yet he was seeing something i wasnt seeing because he would pull the ball down and always run right......i sure understand he wasnt wanting to throw another pick but at the late point in the game i would have made us make the play....morgan did the same thing the following week and had good success against us....i think your qb has really good size to look over everything, hes just got to learn that old trick that being conservative works for the first three quarters, in that last one, you take a few more chances.....plus you throw a ball in the 4th qtr that doesnt necessarily get run with after the catch, that its a "my guy will catch it or its in the ground" kinda pass....all the kind of things that come with experience, and he got a bunch last yr....


Wow tojandad, you are right on on this!

[gold_33]

well I have to disagree with that, because I remember at least 2 games (or more) against very bad teams that they were either tied or down at halftime and everybody was saying oh look, Fred or whoever has wimberley down. Of course we all knew wimberley would win, but it seems like O wasnt doing very good and D was hanging in there. I believe with no doubt the D will be the key, especially if the keep players from going both ways. Even with the Smith and Blakemore and Brady show , it is TEAM that wins. Did I say TEAM, yes I did, They need to figure out how to play as a TEAM or it wont happen. If remember right the TEAM went on a crazy win and kick ass run when there was no Blackemore or Smith. Your 7 0n 7 team was almost a joke how the qb only looked and went Blakemore, wether he was open or not, the other guys were so open it was funny. I know what my game plan would be ! At my last check I have that it takes 11 and then 11 and then 22 to win, not 3 or 4! The 05 team that won state for Wimberley had 11 and 11 and 22! and played as a team, but with that said, they had 4 or 5 that were better than the other players, you just would not have known it from their actions. Wimberley has a lot of very good players, (very deep) just like 05. you just need to use them all. ( just my opinoin)

Thanks for welcoming me. I really don't know crap! Ha. Ha.

I dont recall anyone not saying it doesnt take a TEAM to win, i think thats what we all said!! We said we cant win with just a powerful offense, we need a good defense too and we have a chance to have one with all the guys coming back. Still dont see your point about the D because against the "bad" teams that Wim was down to in games, it wasnt like the D kept it to one score or less til the O got going. It was usually 2 or 3 scores that the O had to make up so that doesnt sound like the D was hanging in there, and I was at every game last year so i know. I agree that it takes all 11 on both sides to win and unless they play like that then they wont get a SC.

[snaxet]

Excited to see so much emphasis on Wimberley. Expectations are high, enthusiasm is growing, and yes, the season is nearing. No doubt Wimberley has the talent to make a run for the State Title, but team chemistry, an injury free season, momentum and desire are certainly going to be the underlying factors in the Texans getting to the title game. The 2005 team clearly demonstrated those foundational qualities. They were a tight knit team, avoided any major injuries, improved with each game and showed the desire with physical, passionate and punishing football throughout the playoffs. Can the 2011 team show that same style of play? It all starts with the players. They have to become a team that plays 4 quarters of smashmouth football. Over the last two years they have played up and down. Last year they let Sealy back in the game with mental mistakes; were outplayed by La Vernia in the second half after dominating the first half; did not put Canyon Lake away until late in the game; and Boerne took a 21-0 lead until the team finally showed up in the second half. It is a real statement as to their talent when you realize that they went 14-1. Is this a cause for concern? Maybe. Maybe not. You need only look at the 2004 team to conclude that a team is not necessarily defined by its prior year. The 2004 team beat Liberty Hill in a great defensive battle, then lost to a lesser Llano team but played Cuero toe to toe in the playoffs. The lack of consistency was there all of 2004. Then we took the title in 2005. We have the potential in 2011 to do the same thing but it will require each individual to play passionate, punishing, smashmouth, hardnosed football every play, every quarter, every game. Physical play carried us throughout 2005, and when we took the field we had a swagger that was based upon confidence not cockiness and passion that showed from the first play to the last. Talent, yes, Coaching, yes, Experience, yes. Now we need to learn to respect the opposition, prepare, and execute. This team has the capability of being very physical. Whether each player embraces it every play, every quarter, every game will be the key. Should be another exciting year for the Texans.

[HSFB]

bunch of good preseason chatter on this thread and expectations are sky-high. Fun for us fans but not so much for the coaches I’m sure.

I understand that last year’s D had its share of challenges at times. However, I still believe that this will be a much stronger unit in all facets (DL, LB's , DB's). So let's start with the DL:

My Defensive breakdown is based on who I think may start so if someone does not see their name down there then do not get your feewings hurt. Only having fun speculating as things can change in a hurry. I'll also go on the premise that no-one has to go both ways but I expect to see some of the mentioned offensive players get spot duty based on game situation/field position.

DE's: Fonville (SR) is a preseason All-State in Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine and Kothman is a Jr. who was named the Central Texas newcomer of the year.
DT's: Guidry is a SR. who is a bit undersized at under 200 but is very quick off the ball and is a high-motor/effort guy. Hendricks is a 250+ lb Jr. who should anchor things well….and I expect a rotation here to keep’em fresh.
ILB's: Alana is a SR with all-state potential and Mann (JR) has a pretty good flow and nose for the football and I believe was a 1st team all-district at DT last year as a soph.
OLB's: I'll factor in Wilson at one OLB so a very solid SR. starter on one side and Terriot is a returning JR. on the other.
CB's: Gray is an outstanding returning starter at one CB position and I expect the other side to be a hotly contested battle between McRoberts, a SR who took the year off from football last year but showed well during 7 on 7, and Morris a very athletic JR. who has a good nose/flow to the football as well.
Safety: just do not have a feel for who this may be. Obviously, you could plug-in Blakemore or Smith here but I’m trying to stay away from the two way starters. Maybe Gray will be spun over to the S spot due to the depth/battle on the other side. That way they are all on the field……just dunno.

So in this evaluation, I am not factoring in any offensive starter with the exception of Wilson and I see that as more of a co-starting position at RB. I do not remember the specifics but many of the above players received 1st or 2nd string all district honors.

As stated in a previous post, I do feel that this D has the potential to be one of the best that Wimberley has fielded. I’m not saying better than a particular squad just the potential to be as good. The 05 squad allowed 100 points through their 1st 10 games and I predict that this year’s squad will get close to the number even with Cuero and Sealy on the schedule…..and I know that I’m setting myself up to get a little of the business which is all good but only time will tell this story…..fire away….

[Tejastrue]

bunch of good preseason chatter on this thread and expectations are sky-high. Fun for us fans but not so much for the coaches I’m sure.

I understand that last year’s D had its share of challenges at times. However, I still believe that this will be a much stronger unit in all facets (DL, LB's , DB's). So let's start with the DL:

My Defensive breakdown is based on who I think may start so if someone does not see their name down there then do not get your feewings hurt. Only having fun speculating as things can change in a hurry. I'll also go on the premise that no-one has to go both ways but I expect to see some of the mentioned offensive players get spot duty based on game situation/field position.

DE's: Fonville (SR) is a preseason All-State in Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine and Kothman is a Jr. who was named the Central Texas newcomer of the year.
DT's: Guidry is a SR. who is a bit undersized at under 200 but is very quick off the ball and is a high-motor/effort guy. Hendricks is a 250+ lb Jr. who should anchor things well….and I expect a rotation here to keep’em fresh.
ILB's: Alana is a SR with all-state potential and Mann (JR) has a pretty good flow and nose for the football and I believe was a 1st team all-district at DT last year as a soph.
OLB's: I'll factor in Wilson at one OLB so a very solid SR. starter on one side and Terriot is a returning JR. on the other.
CB's: Gray is an outstanding returning starter at one CB position and I expect the other side to be a hotly contested battle between McRoberts, a SR who took the year off from football last year but showed well during 7 on 7, and Morris a very athletic JR. who has a good nose/flow to the football as well.
Safety: just do not have a feel for who this may be. Obviously, you could plug-in Blakemore or Smith here but I’m trying to stay away from the two way starters. Maybe Gray will be spun over to the S spot due to the depth/battle on the other side. That way they are all on the field……just dunno.

So in this evaluation, I am not factoring in any offensive starter with the exception of Wilson and I see that as more of a co-starting position at RB. I do not remember the specifics but many of the above players received 1st or 2nd string all district honors.

As stated in a previous post, I do feel that this D has the potential to be one of the best that Wimberley has fielded. I’m not saying better than a particular squad just the potential to be as good. The 05 squad allowed 100 points through their 1st 10 games and I predict that this year’s squad will get close to the number even with Cuero and Sealy on the schedule…..and I know that I’m setting myself up to get a little of the business which is all good but only time will tell this story…..fire away….

Appreciate the breakdown HSFB. I just can't see us not using a few more players on both sides of the ball especially in key matchups. The potential to not have an abundance of two-way starters is however ideal and would be crucial, especially late in a game and the season. Looking forward to your input on the offensive side. Welcome to the DL.

[HSFB]

Well guys, I'm new. I read down low all last year and really enjoyed it and had fun listening to all the comments. First I'm a football nut and I love HS football more than anyother. I know Wimberley football very good. After reading all the scouting Wimberley threads , I just had to join. I felt some of yall are alittle off on some things AND some of the skill players get too much credit for sure. First, I know the 05 team pretty well and the ability of most of those players. They were very deep and many of those players in other years would have gone both ways at the 3 A level but they didnt have to and that made them even better. Buck Burnette didnt even play both ways unless we had to stop something in the middle. Wimberley may have that possiblity this year too if its done right and that could be the difference. With that said, I think the defense has No problems at all and its the offense that would be the let down if there was one. The D B 's may need to fill a hole or two and thats it. The offense did great against really bad teams last year and put up big stats but (including the move in QB who just took off running when things went bad and totally got away with it.) In the last three playoffs games the other teams had a great game plan but only CS had the players to pull it off. I think it was don't let the QB run and make him throw. (just my opinion) Sweeny and Navarro just didnt have enough players but CS was really good and obviously could do it. Also a question I have for Ya'll is we only hear about 4 or 5 players for wimberley but ranked 3rd (Dave Campbell) and they have 8 and 8 returning? I know some Jrs were really good last year and some Soph got some playing time, but who do the have to fill some of those DB, and OL spots? They had a great Kicker and have for years, ,do they have a new kicker, the other kicker was a senior and a good rec. Also, what about other recievers? and what about another QB? If that guy doesnt move here last year who would QB? Oh well I joined to be able to post so my first one might as well be long. I hope to throw my two cents around for a while. Good luck.

Obviously :), I feel very good about the D as well. I am not concerned about any defensive group and that certainly includes the DB's and gold33 filled-in some of that. The only area of concern that I have is the OL and kicker.

check on the WR depth as well....Blakemore, Hunter, Holliman, etc. will continue to be outstanding.

I believe that we recruited a soccer player for the kicking. I have not seen him kick but if we can get consistency from 35 yards in then that is gold. As you know, that is just being able to be consistent from the 25 yard line and my old arse can make that one.....so I feel good about finding a replacement. However, we will miss the touchbacks.

Gray had been staged to QB before Brady came aboard but I do not know who has been running backup QB.

[Cam]

There's passion in Wimberley! This is why I thought of starting individual scouting reports on teams and hoping some of ya'll would start other scouting reports on other teams. But noooo.....a few of ya'll had to criticize and insult me....and hurt my feelings...(with violins playin' in the background)...now I'm gun-shy.....:crying:

[Tejastrue]

There's passion in Wimberley! This is why I thought of starting individual scouting reports on teams and hoping some of ya'll would start other scouting reports on other teams. But noooo.....a few of ya'll had to criticize and insult me....and hurt my feelings...(with violins playin' in the background)...now I'm gun-shy.....:crying: Now who would do such a thing Cam? http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t293/felesfeminaCR/Emoticonos/violin_emoticon_by_cooliojulio.gif http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t293/felesfeminaCR/Emoticonos/violin_emoticon_by_cooliojulio.gif http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t293/felesfeminaCR/Emoticonos/violin_emoticon_by_cooliojulio.gif

[ogg]

bunch of good preseason chatter on this thread and expectations are sky-high. Fun for us fans but not so much for the coaches I’m sure.

I understand that last year’s D had its share of challenges at times. However, I still believe that this will be a much stronger unit in all facets (DL, LB's , DB's). So let's start with the DL:

My Defensive breakdown is based on who I think may start so if someone does not see their name down there then do not get your feewings hurt. Only having fun speculating as things can change in a hurry. I'll also go on the premise that no-one has to go both ways but I expect to see some of the mentioned offensive players get spot duty based on game situation/field position.

DE's: Fonville (SR) is a preseason All-State in Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine and Kothman is a Jr. who was named the Central Texas newcomer of the year.
DT's: Guidry is a SR. who is a bit undersized at under 200 but is very quick off the ball and is a high-motor/effort guy. Hendricks is a 250+ lb Jr. who should anchor things well….and I expect a rotation here to keep’em fresh.
ILB's: Alana is a SR with all-state potential and Mann (JR) has a pretty good flow and nose for the football and I believe was a 1st team all-district at DT last year as a soph.
OLB's: I'll factor in Wilson at one OLB so a very solid SR. starter on one side and Terriot is a returning JR. on the other.
CB's: Gray is an outstanding returning starter at one CB position and I expect the other side to be a hotly contested battle between McRoberts, a SR who took the year off from football last year but showed well during 7 on 7, and Morris a very athletic JR. who has a good nose/flow to the football as well.
Safety: just do not have a feel for who this may be. Obviously, you could plug-in Blakemore or Smith here but I’m trying to stay away from the two way starters. Maybe Gray will be spun over to the S spot due to the depth/battle on the other side. That way they are all on the field……just dunno.

So in this evaluation, I am not factoring in any offensive starter with the exception of Wilson and I see that as more of a co-starting position at RB. I do not remember the specifics but many of the above players received 1st or 2nd string all district honors.

As stated in a previous post, I do feel that this D has the potential to be one of the best that Wimberley has fielded. I’m not saying better than a particular squad just the potential to be as good. The 05 squad allowed 100 points through their 1st 10 games and I predict that this year’s squad will get close to the number even with Cuero and Sealy on the schedule…..and I know that I’m setting myself up to get a little of the business which is all good but only time will tell this story…..fire away….

Thanks, a good discussion. Wouldn't surprise me if many of our guys enjoyed playing both offense and defense in the same game, I did back in the day.

[trojandad]

The 05 squad allowed 100 points through their 1st 10 games and I predict that this year’s squad will get close to the number even with Cuero and Sealy on the schedule…..and I know that I’m setting myself up to get a little of the business which is all good but only time will tell this story…..fire away….

i sure wish i had seen your '05 team to know the level of athlete, how much ofyour success was the coaches, etc, but since i didnt my outside observations is im sold on you guys potentially on the offense (will come back to the offensive line), but i sure dont see what you guys see on defense....your talking about giving up 100 pts potentially over 10 games but the problem is you guys gave up over 100 pts in just 3 games last year (2 cueros and sealy)....let me throw a suggestion out, for whatever its worth....

teams would play us last year with us having just a running attack and think "heck, thisll be easy, just shut them down one waay"....their practices would be extremely one sided, theyd come into the game with us stacking 8, 9, sometimes all 11 in the box, then still get beat to where their db's would have to make the tackle......theyd go from thinking "we got this" to "if we cants stop this one facet of their game, what happens when they throw over us?"......then theyd find their defensive backs making over half the tackles, and against bigger rb's and not smaller wr's, and slowly id see a db start getting upset at his interior line and lb's for not making more stops.....that "cancer" would start spreading to the huddle, guys were starting to yell at each other in the huddle, and sure as the world barbay would call the next play to go the direction of the preturbed player....by the end of the year wed start taking bets which db would lose it first, usually its the kid whose the most demonstrative before the game starts....

this was one problem i saw in your deff backfield,one player, especially, cost you guys several intentional roughness calls from being frustrated on how many tackles he was having to make (and that the coldspring player wasnt taking the bait and fighting back, he closelined gilbert once on a pass and almost took his head off)....that one guy got beat twice to the corner by gilbert and once by cummings, so our speed was probably making him feel bad as well, but my point is it didnt look like ur coach had anyone faster to put in for him.....

most teams we played we had an overall team speed advantage on last year and it would generate huge frustrations....i think lack of team speed can be hidden better on offense than it can on defense....and listen, i think u guys have some real burners, especially smith, but even smith had no luck taking the corner on us, probably because our defense practices against our own gilbert taking the corner, one of the fastest players in the state....

thats the reason i wish i had seen the '05 team, to see whether they did it more with speed or coaching....that 75 ennis team ive spoken of had a shutdown defense but not one player listed on ANY all state teams, they were slow as christmas, but tough and with a great scheme....but what i see for you guys defense is a need for SPEED......and a leader that can go slap guys around when they get frustrated that some team made a few good plays and tell the "fit pticher" that crap happens and either get in the game or on the bench......every team needs that one guy on each side of the ball and i didnt see that guy on your defense last yr, tho just having a one game window...

you guys had almost 200 pts scored on you in 10 games last yr, so the only way i see such a transformation as to cut it in half is either by having a HUGE influx of speed come in, or else recruit a really good defensive coach as we did from orangefield, otherwise reality kind of dictates you guys have some serious holes on defense, even though i still think youve got a good shot to maake a run for the sc.....i just see a real need for speed on defense that ive only heard one fan there state a real problem for.....

asi said, we swapped tevon from rb to db before last year started, will be interesting to see if your coach swaps smith over full time, too...last year obviously showed you guys have enough offense to win without him on the offensive side of the ball......

[HSFB]

i sure wish i had seen your '05 team to know the level of athlete, how much ofyour success was the coaches, etc, but since i didnt my outside observations is im sold on you guys potentially on the offense (will come back to the offensive line), but i sure dont see what you guys see on defense....your talking about giving up 100 pts potentially over 10 games but the problem is you guys gave up over 100 pts in just 3 games last year (2 cueros and sealy)....let me throw a suggestion out, for whatever its worth....

teams would play us last year with us having just a running attack and think "heck, thisll be easy, just shut them down one waay"....their practices would be extremely one sided, theyd come into the game with us stacking 8, 9, sometimes all 11 in the box, then still get beat to where their db's would have to make the tackle......theyd go from thinking "we got this" to "if we cants stop this one facet of their game, what happens when they throw over us?"......then theyd find their defensive backs making over half the tackles, and against bigger rb's and not smaller wr's, and slowly id see a db start getting upset at his interior line and lb's for not making more stops.....that "cancer" would start spreading to the huddle, guys were starting to yell at each other in the huddle, and sure as the world barbay would call the next play to go the direction of the preturbed player....by the end of the year wed start taking bets which db would lose it first, usually its the kid whose the most demonstrative before the game starts....

this was one problem i saw in your deff backfield,one player, especially, cost you guys several intentional roughness calls from being frustrated on how many tackles he was having to make (and that the coldspring player wasnt taking the bait and fighting back, he closelined gilbert once on a pass and almost took his head off)....that one guy got beat twice to the corner by gilbert and once by cummings, so our speed was probably making him feel bad as well, but my point is it didnt look like ur coach had anyone faster to put in for him.....

most teams we played we had an overall team speed advantage on last year and it would generate huge frustrations....i think lack of team speed can be hidden better on offense than it can on defense....and listen, i think u guys have some real burners, especially smith, but even smith had no luck taking the corner on us, probably because our defense practices against our own gilbert taking the corner, one of the fastest players in the state....

thats the reason i wish i had seen the '05 team, to see whether they did it more with speed or coaching....that 75 ennis team ive spoken of had a shutdown defense but not one player listed on ANY all state teams, they were slow as christmas, but tough and with a great scheme....but what i see for you guys defense is a need for SPEED......and a leader that can go slap guys around when they get frustrated that some team made a few good plays and tell the "fit pticher" that crap happens and either get in the game or on the bench......every team needs that one guy on each side of the ball and i didnt see that guy on your defense last yr, tho just having a one game window...

you guys had almost 200 pts scored on you in 10 games last yr, so the only way i see such a transformation as to cut it in half is either by having a HUGE influx of speed come in, or else recruit a really good defensive coach as we did from orangefield, otherwise reality kind of dictates you guys have some serious holes on defense, even though i still think youve got a good shot to maake a run for the sc.....i just see a real need for speed on defense that ive only heard one fan there state a real problem for.....

asi said, we swapped tevon from rb to db before last year started, will be interesting to see if your coach swaps smith over full time, too...last year obviously showed you guys have enough offense to win without him on the offensive side of the ball......

05 was talent and coaching which certainly goes hand in hand to achieve that level of success. The class of 05 was very talented and was supported by some outstanding underclassmen.

Gilbert opens up so much for your O due to his speed and that is quite a luxury to have that type of player especially at the 3A level. Those guys do not come through a program very often. Not to mention that Cummings was quite a player as well but remove the Gilbert factor and it would be interesting to see if y’all still have a deep run in to the playoffs like Wimberley did without some of their “difference makers”.

Thanks for the suggestion and all fine and good that y’all had a good game against us in the semi’s but again that was last year. Too bad all that coaching, talent and general lights out prep in practice did not translate success vs. Carthage as their fans were probably the ones taking bets on which CS db would get burned in that game with 6 td passes against them. Which in turn gives me very big concerns for CS defense this year and not having D speed to control those type of 47 point outbursts. And CS is ranked #4 right now……I just don’t see it. Hopefully you have an influx of JV talent to get you over the hump :) . Carthage had the ability to pretty much negate the Gilbert factor except for the one long run and that was the difference in my opinion. Point is that things can change drastically from week to week with so many variables that determine the outcome. I could go in to quite a few factors for our semi L to y’all but just really sounds like a lot of excuses and I hate excuses….and the better team won that night.

Anyway, bunch of talk about last year but, as you know, the dynamics in HS football change year to year and last year is well…last year. All of those underclassmen have another year’s experience under their belt and are all a year older and stronger…and faster. There are a handful of other factors that come in to play here but I will rest on that. There is plenty of speed on this D to get the job done and then some and I strongly feel that this will prove out and the fun point is that we have this thread to point to for “told you so” purposes….and I do not mind being on the receiving end as it is all in good fun.

[trojandad]

you made my point for me, our db's were by far our weak spot last year, not because of lack of speed but for lack of scheme....we played four teams with decent passing games last year, k'ville beat us once and averaged 50+ yds a catch the second game before they inexplicably stopped passing, huffman passed every play but we played prevent most of the game, yet they were one onside kick from winning the game, you guys almost beat us with your passing game with only our defensive line rush being our saving grace with us (another aspect of you guys game that was inferior to carthage's protection of their qb) and then carthage whose o line played perfect (at least on pass defensive, we manhandled them on their running game).....but im admitting our def backfieid IS our weakness and could have lost us any of those games above (and did lose two of them)...im not imagining our defense will miraculously produce half the points they produced last year, i think they will have a struggle without more speeddand a better coaching scheme for the defensive backfield....

talking about last year doesnt condemn people to reepeat it, but it is the strength of where this years strengths come from in high school ball, so dismissal of last year isnt usually held by most as you do.....even tho i believe you guys have serious def backfield holes to fill as we do, i still think you guys have a coaching staff to help cover potential weaknesses as we do....carthage coach did a great job ofthrowing away from our cb who had a pick every playoff game until that game....even with the holes you guys have in my mind in ur defense ive gone on record as saying i agree with your 4th place ranking this year, but remember, 4th was our end ranking last year and look at our def backfirld holes?....besides, with out city population sign being smaller than our school population (unexplainable), we've never gotten superior pre season ranking, and not likely we ever will be....i believe you guys have a great shot at getting back, just have holes as we all do....

and yes, gilbert with all his speed got slowed down in the carthage game, but if played over i sure would have enjoyed sseeing the second half won orlost by the game that got us there, the running game.....most feel we passed way too much in the second half ineefectively as normal rather than weaaring the defense dowwn with more rushes as wwas done all year.....gilbert was stopped by barbay, not by carthage, he only got 3 carries the second half.....plus our big fullback as going for 8 yds a carry the second half, just not enough carry attempts....

im sold on you guys chances, for sure, but realisticly, i feel, and not romantically, i believe you have a qb thaat can carry you with just a few upgrades over a pourous def backfield, especially if your off line gets shorn up, at least on pass blocking....we have several tough rb's to replace cummings that are faster and had better averages, if our qb can make the typical upgrades from soph to jr that will inprove us, but after carthage last year i believe even more schools will try throwing on us this year, and stay away from throwing toward sykes, our qb.....it may mean more athletes have to be swapped to the def side of the line but either way, if not done we willbe worse, not miraculously better by some sort of magic.....

and, again, we'll be underdogs for most, if not every playoff game played out here, and thats what makes things fun, it sure did last year......

[Gone Fishing]

Obviously :), I feel very good about the D as well. I am not concerned about any defensive group and that certainly includes the DB's and gold33 filled-in some of that. The only area of concern that I have is the OL and kicker.

check on the WR depth as well....Blakemore, Hunter, Holliman, etc. will continue to be outstanding.

I believe that we recruited a soccer player for the kicking. I have not seen him kick but if we can get consistency from 35 yards in then that is gold. As you know, that is just being able to be consistent from the 25 yard line and my old arse can make that one.....so I feel good about finding a replacement. However, we will miss the touchbacks.

Gray had been staged to QB before Brady came aboard but I do not know who has been running backup QB.

Holliman is not playing football. Grey never got a single snap at qb last year when two a days started, so I doubt he will play any QB this year. Travis Payton was slated to play QB until the other guy moved in from Aledo late in the summer. There was no competition it was givin to the move in the day he got here although it sort of looked like there was competition early, but Payton was the back up all along. During 7 on 7 Last year Payton out played Grey or Burtshell easily at QB. Also, there is two rec spots open unless Alano is in the game on O. If players are going both ways then its easy to figure out DB's, If not then there is some other guys from jv or bench from last year that will have to step up. Don't see the McRoberts and Morris DB battle for a CB position at all. One hasn't played in 2 years and the other is an outside LB and nether one hardly played any 7 on 7 this summer. I like most of the others you got and there is frankly a lot to chose from on this team for sure. I got a felling there may be a few players not ever mentioned much that may really step it up this year and find playing time. Great comments, wish I had time to post more. Later HSFB and all.

[Gone Fishing]

Thanks, a good discussion. Wouldn't surprise me if many of our guys enjoyed playing both offense and defense in the same game, I did back in the day.
Dont know when you played OGG but I played both ways too in my day, I'm pretty old! but its not the same now days. The better teams limit it if they have the talent to do so and of course if they don't then they have too. No kid that is really good wants to come off the field ever, but I just remember the 05 team and thinking wow they only have a couple of players that do go both ways. My point is we may have that much talent again this year. That doesn't mean that if the game is on the line that you might have Smith, Blakemore and whoever out there but just not full time.. (just my opionion) I never wanted to come out either so I understand the the players not wanting to.

[Gone Fishing]

Appreciate the breakdown HSFB. I just can't see us not using a few more players on both sides of the ball especially in key matchups. The potential to not have an abundance of two-way starters is however ideal and would be crucial, especially late in a game and the season. Looking forward to your input on the offensive side. Welcome to the DL.
Also looking for your offensive side.

[Tejastrue]

Also looking for your offensive side.

Did you mean me or HSFB?

[snaxet]

Trojandad, a few points that might bring things into perspective. First, we have a tremendous defensive coach, one of the best in the state. He has great rapport with the players and was our defensive coach for the 05 team. The 05 team had plenty of depth, tall rangy players who had good speed and studied the opposing team's offense to the point where they could recognize the play before the ball was snapped. The depth allowed him to start Monday focused on a game plan and getting the defense ready to go. Unfortunately, last year we were hit with a number of injuries each week that meant Monday was more focused on who would be available for defense that week. It is interesting to note that from the time we played Cuero the first week of the season to the second time around no more than probably 2 players started both games. Each week we had new players on defense. For our first playoff game against Llano, we had no less than 8 players sidelined with injuries. We were always shuffling players between offense and defense, and I will say that there were many times last year when the defense outplayed the offense. The defense played lights out in the second half against CS. I feel that defensively we could be as good if not better than the 05 defense. Our total points last year were indeed high, but for some reason we always gave up 1 to 2 touchdowns in the last 4 to 5 minutes of every game last year and most of those came on the last play of the game with time expiring. Second, speaking of injuries, we also were hit hard with the flu just a couple of days before the Navarro regional final game. Brady, qb, was hit the hardest, and it was all he could do to stay on the field. Defense really stepped up that game, and we finally wore Navarro out in the second half. Unfortunately, Brady was weak and unable to throw the ball effectively or run with the power and strength that he showed throughout the season. It was clear to me that in the CS game he had not fully reached 100%. I defintely don't want to take anything away from CS defensive line and linebackers and their speed, but it was apparent that Brady was still feeling the effects of the flu. Third, I think one of our strengths last year unfortunately turned out to be one of our weaknesses especially during the CS game, and that was our receivers. They failed to get separation from the DB's and did not finish their routes or recognize that Brady was in trouble and break back to give him a better target. I have heard that we will have a new receivers coach (our '05' offensive coordinator) and I suspect that there will be a different level of intensity from our receivers. When we are balanced between the run and pass, it is very hard to effectively stop Wimberley. That was a strength that the '05' offensive team had. Ask West Columbia, West Orange Stark or Gainsville. The difference between the '05' and last year's offense in my opinion was the receiving corps. The '05' team benefitted from a couple of 6'5" players who had great hands and better than average speed. If our receivers this year learn to run their routes, read the defense, understand how to get separation from the DB to the same level as the '05' team we will be hard to stop. I suspect the receivers will show great improvement this year. Finally, the hidden quality that marked the '05' team was that no matter which eleven were on the field they played as one unit, totally in sync, and for the benefit of the team not the individual. Trojandad, I think that is what will determine how far this team will go. We cannot get caught up in questioning who is in the game, why I am not, who gets the ball thrown to them, or take cheap shots that lead to penalties. It all boils down to team play and that was a character trait that defined the '05' team and hopefully, will define the 2011 team. Trojandad, hope to see you guys again sometime in December.

[Saggy Aggie]

JMO, but 2011 Wimberley would smash 2011 CS if given the opportunity.

[ogg]

Trojandad, a few points that might bring things into perspective. First, we have a tremendous defensive coach, one of the best in the state. He has great rapport with the players and was our defensive coach for the 05 team. The 05 team had plenty of depth, tall rangy players who had good speed and studied the opposing team's offense to the point where they could recognize the play before the ball was snapped. The depth allowed him to start Monday focused on a game plan and getting the defense ready to go. Unfortunately, last year we were hit with a number of injuries each week that meant Monday was more focused on who would be available for defense that week. It is interesting to note that from the time we played Cuero the first week of the season to the second time around no more than probably 2 players started both games. Each week we had new players on defense. For our first playoff game against Llano, we had no less than 8 players sidelined with injuries. We were always shuffling players between offense and defense, and I will say that there were many times last year when the defense outplayed the offense. The defense played lights out in the second half against CS. I feel that defensively we could be as good if not better than the 05 defense. Our total points last year were indeed high, but for some reason we always gave up 1 to 2 touchdowns in the last 4 to 5 minutes of every game last year and most of those came on the last play of the game with time expiring. Second, speaking of injuries, we also were hit hard with the flu just a couple of days before the Navarro regional final game. Brady, qb, was hit the hardest, and it was all he could do to stay on the field. Defense really stepped up that game, and we finally wore Navarro out in the second half. Unfortunately, Brady was weak and unable to throw the ball effectively or run with the power and strength that he showed throughout the season. It was clear to me that in the CS game he had not fully reached 100%. I defintely don't want to take anything away from CS defensive line and linebackers and their speed, but it was apparent that Brady was still feeling the effects of the flu. Third, I think one of our strengths last year unfortunately turned out to be one of our weaknesses especially during the CS game, and that was our receivers. They failed to get separation from the DB's and did not finish their routes or recognize that Brady was in trouble and break back to give him a better target. I have heard that we will have a new receivers coach (our '05' offensive coordinator) and I suspect that there will be a different level of intensity from our receivers. When we are balanced between the run and pass, it is very hard to effectively stop Wimberley. That was a strength that the '05' offensive team had. Ask West Columbia, West Orange Stark or Gainsville. The difference between the '05' and last year's offense in my opinion was the receiving corps. The '05' team benefitted from a couple of 6'5" players who had great hands and better than average speed. If our receivers this year learn to run their routes, read the defense, understand how to get separation from the DB to the same level as the '05' team we will be hard to stop. I suspect the receivers will show great improvement this year. Finally, the hidden quality that marked the '05' team was that no matter which eleven were on the field they played as one unit, totally in sync, and for the benefit of the team not the individual. Trojandad, I think that is what will determine how far this team will go. We cannot get caught up in questioning who is in the game, why I am not, who gets the ball thrown to them, or take cheap shots that lead to penalties. It all boils down to team play and that was a character trait that defined the '05' team and hopefully, will define the 2011 team. Trojandad, hope to see you guys again sometime in December.

What offensive coordenator is comming back? Coach Pierce?

[Gone Fishing]

Trojandad, a few points that might bring things into perspective. First, we have a tremendous defensive coach, one of the best in the state. He has great rapport with the players and was our defensive coach for the 05 team. The 05 team had plenty of depth, tall rangy players who had good speed and studied the opposing team's offense to the point where they could recognize the play before the ball was snapped. The depth allowed him to start Monday focused on a game plan and getting the defense ready to go. Unfortunately, last year we were hit with a number of injuries each week that meant Monday was more focused on who would be available for defense that week. It is interesting to note that from the time we played Cuero the first week of the season to the second time around no more than probably 2 players started both games. Each week we had new players on defense. For our first playoff game against Llano, we had no less than 8 players sidelined with injuries. We were always shuffling players between offense and defense, and I will say that there were many times last year when the defense outplayed the offense. The defense played lights out in the second half against CS. I feel that defensively we could be as good if not better than the 05 defense. Our total points last year were indeed high, but for some reason we always gave up 1 to 2 touchdowns in the last 4 to 5 minutes of every game last year and most of those came on the last play of the game with time expiring. Second, speaking of injuries, we also were hit hard with the flu just a couple of days before the Navarro regional final game. Brady, qb, was hit the hardest, and it was all he could do to stay on the field. Defense really stepped up that game, and we finally wore Navarro out in the second half. Unfortunately, Brady was weak and unable to throw the ball effectively or run with the power and strength that he showed throughout the season. It was clear to me that in the CS game he had not fully reached 100%. I defintely don't want to take anything away from CS defensive line and linebackers and their speed, but it was apparent that Brady was still feeling the effects of the flu. Third, I think one of our strengths last year unfortunately turned out to be one of our weaknesses especially during the CS game, and that was our receivers. They failed to get separation from the DB's and did not finish their routes or recognize that Brady was in trouble and break back to give him a better target. I have heard that we will have a new receivers coach (our '05' offensive coordinator) and I suspect that there will be a different level of intensity from our receivers. When we are balanced between the run and pass, it is very hard to effectively stop Wimberley. That was a strength that the '05' offensive team had. Ask West Columbia, West Orange Stark or Gainsville. The difference between the '05' and last year's offense in my opinion was the receiving corps. The '05' team benefitted from a couple of 6'5" players who had great hands and better than average speed. If our receivers this year learn to run their routes, read the defense, understand how to get separation from the DB to the same level as the '05' team we will be hard to stop. I suspect the receivers will show great improvement this year. Finally, the hidden quality that marked the '05' team was that no matter which eleven were on the field they played as one unit, totally in sync, and for the benefit of the team not the individual. Trojandad, I think that is what will determine how far this team will go. We cannot get caught up in questioning who is in the game, why I am not, who gets the ball thrown to them, or take cheap shots that lead to penalties. It all boils down to team play and that was a character trait that defined the '05' team and hopefully, will define the 2011 team. Trojandad, hope to see you guys again sometime in December.


I would like to chime in on this for sure. In my first few posts I stressed big time on team as you know. I dont know about the flu bug but it sure can bring you down, but what I do remember about our qb the 05 year and actually the back up that started the next year( could have started any year and I believe may still be playing college football) is that you never knew who was going to get the pass thrown to him. Wimberley did have two 6' 4" ( actually) recievers that both went to college to play one played D-1, but we had two smaller recievers in the middle that were very fast and very good also. (very good) At any call the def had no clue who weldon (qb) would connect with. and he was good at not already knowing where he was going before the snap. Therefore ALL recievers were on full blast go, every play. As a game goes on and you only throw right and only throw to one or two people, then its problably human nature to not run routes like they should be run. Not saying thats a good thing for a starter to do, and shame on them, but I saw it. Hopefully they have a few new players that are more dedicated and that will step up and go full on every play even if they know it aint going to happen. ( atleast keeping that db honest somewhat) I remember big time the qb on the 05 team hitting his 2nd, 3rd or even sometimes his 4th reciever. My observation last year was first reciever only ( force it in or he's open or run hard, and he can run hard by the way!) just my opinion. I just hope coach Pearce has the recivers or a big part of the Offense, (he is great) I believe when he left the next year it hurt big time, although we went far that year too with the backup qb from 05 taking over and he was very good and knew the whole system and how it works properly. (he also played college FB) Also that game we had both starting LB out that game and Buse got a concussion early in the first qt or I think wimberley would have won that regional game and then who knows the next week. As far as cheap penalties, I think many fans are sick of it. Come on coaches? Should not matter who it is, the kid (s) should be done for the game if you act like that, win or lose. And if you do it again, "shame on ya". Again just my opinion. Oh I forgot to say, Defense should be awsome!

[Gone Fishing]

Did you mean me or HSFB?

Bring it. Id love to see it from you or hsfb or anybody for that matter.

[trojandad]

JMO, but 2011 Wimberley would smash 2011 CS if given the opportunity.

according to the board, thats the prediction for most every game played against us out here....sure was the overwhelming prediction last year as well......not really a headliner there....how about a simpler "wager".....smith's rushing stats for the year vs gilbert's? smith has a good passing game to give him some freedom to run whereas few feel gilbert has anything but gilbert on his team now.....

[Tejastrue]

according to the board, thats the prediction for most every game played against us out here....sure was the overwhelming prediction last year as well......not really a headliner there....how about a simpler "wager".....smith's rushing stats for the year vs gilbert's? smith has a good passing game to give him some freedom to run whereas few feel gilbert has anything but gilbert on his team now.....

Would have loved to have seen an injury free Smith after the fast start he had. 732 yds and 17 td's after 5 games. Could have easily matched Gilbert in yardage and surpassed him in scoring. Oh well, as Paul Harvey would say "Now you know the rest of the story".

[HSFB]

Holliman is not playing football. Grey never got a single snap at qb last year when two a days started, so I doubt he will play any QB this year. Travis Payton was slated to play QB until the other guy moved in from Aledo late in the summer. There was no competition it was givin to the move in the day he got here although it sort of looked like there was competition early, but Payton was the back up all along. During 7 on 7 Last year Payton out played Grey or Burtshell easily at QB. Also, there is two rec spots open unless Alano is in the game on O. If players are going both ways then its easy to figure out DB's, If not then there is some other guys from jv or bench from last year that will have to step up. Don't see the McRoberts and Morris DB battle for a CB position at all. One hasn't played in 2 years and the other is an outside LB and nether one hardly played any 7 on 7 this summer. I like most of the others you got and there is frankly a lot to chose from on this team for sure. I got a felling there may be a few players not ever mentioned much that may really step it up this year and find playing time. Great comments, wish I had time to post more. Later HSFB and all.


Holliman will play this year.
I meant that Gray had been the QB for the class of 12 up until last year so maybe that would be an option should something happen. Brady got his concussion last year by running the ball in garbage time when the game had clearly been decided....not a good thing. We need that guy to stay healthy.
Good point that Morris is OLB. That is such a pressure spot on the D that we run and he has the speed and athleticism to get it done.
I feel that McRoberts will be a strong contributor after taking one year off. He was before he took the year off and I do not see that changing. I do not have 1st hand 7 on 7 knowledge but was told that her performed well when he had the opportunity.


work is getting in the way of my posting as well :)

[gold_33]

The biggest key to the '05 team was the depth of both lines, very rarely if at all did anyone play both ways on it. When the D was on the field we had 5 offensive lineman getting a break and on O the defensive lineman were getting a break and getting coached up and at 3A level thats huge. We didnt have that last year and it showed in the CS game when they ran the ball up the middle and rushed the QB, we looked tired. The '05 team had quick guys at the ends that got in the backfield and that made life easy on the LB's to make plays or force the QB to throw quickly which helped cause turnovers, I think we had like 30 something INT's in 05 which is a huge number. I think with the guys we have coming back and add in some younger guys coming up we have a chance to be better on the lines and if we do improve there then this season could be big because I think its really one of the only weak spots we have.

[Gone Fishing]

Holliman will play this year.
I meant that Gray had been the QB for the class of 12 up until last year so maybe that would be an option should something happen. Brady got his concussion last year by running the ball in garbage time when the game had clearly been decided....not a good thing. We need that guy to stay healthy.
Good point that Morris is OLB. That is such a pressure spot on the D that we run and he has the speed and athleticism to get it done.
I feel that McRoberts will be a strong contributor after taking one year off. He was before he took the year off and I do not see that changing. I do not have 1st hand 7 on 7 knowledge but was told that her performed well when he had the opportunity.


work is getting in the way of my posting as well :)


I had heard that Holliman was just going to play basketball
I heard that Gray is not a QB, at least anymore, but a great DB for sure.
Morris is very fast but that doesnt make you a DB if you have never played it.
MCRoberts is a very good athelete and a great baseball player, Not sure he ever played DB before he quit playing FB
Watching all the corners at 7 on 7 was a struggle when I watched them play.
And of course we need all to stay healthy for sure

[Gone Fishing]

The biggest key to the '05 team was the depth of both lines, very rarely if at all did anyone play both ways on it. When the D was on the field we had 5 offensive lineman getting a break and on O the defensive lineman were getting a break and getting coached up and at 3A level thats huge. We didnt have that last year and it showed in the CS game when they ran the ball up the middle and rushed the QB, we looked tired. The '05 team had quick guys at the ends that got in the backfield and that made life easy on the LB's to make plays or force the QB to throw quickly which helped cause turnovers, I think we had like 30 something INT's in 05 which is a huge number. I think with the guys we have coming back and add in some younger guys coming up we have a chance to be better on the lines and if we do improve there then this season could be big because I think its really one of the only weak spots we have.

I agree as I said in earlier post not many on the 05 team went both ways and that was big. The O in 05 was really good starting with the qb and going from there, I hope this team can do it I just think a few players need to really improve from last year to get all the way. I think the def can be good enough much easier with the talent, just worried about getting DB's (corners mostly ) correct. Special teams also should be a concern although there is enough good players to make it all happen but kicker/ punter is a concern I would assume.

[gold_33]

I agree as I said in earlier post not many on the 05 team went both ways and that was big. The O in 05 was really good starting with the qb and going from there, I hope this team can do it I just think a few players need to really improve from last year to get all the way. I think the def can be good enough much easier with the talent, just worried about getting DB's (corners mostly ) correct. Special teams also should be a concern although there is enough good players to make it all happen but kicker/ punter is a concern I would assume.

Yea finding a kicker to replace Kutz is gonna be tough because he was a great kicker and receiver too. Nelms has always had a knack for finding guys to kick though so I'm sure he has hit up the soccer team and got a replacement, lol. I see your concern about the DB's and it would be nice to find some guys that dont have to play both ways all game, or at least be able to give guys a rest without a talent dropoff. Blakemore was worn out in the CS game by playing both ways all game and we dont need that if we want to contend. I think with the emergence of Wilson at RB last year it will give the option to play Smith more on D which is a big boost to them but it'll be interesting to see if he plays a corner spot or they move him to outside linebacker.

[wimbo_pro]

Headed back to Tijuana huh Wimbo? :)

LOL@Tjastrue...no...overseas.

[wimbo_pro]

you know, wimbo, ive seen where youve posted this "we shut them down in the second half" several times and, first off, it may be correct, but i went back and checked stats on this game, and it turns out that in the second half we attempted 5 passes, all but one on 3rd downs, ending drives....it seems like it was a choice to throw by coach because each of those 3rd downs that we threw and incompleted it was 3rd and less than 7 yds to go, except for one which was long yardage.....the reason i make the third and 7 yds or less notation is that we were averaging 8.9 yds a carry in the first half, 8.5 yds/carry in the second half, a reduction for sure but a long way from shutting us down....i think coach decided to throw the ball a bit getting ready for the next round....our passing game was awful last year and ended more than one drive for us all year....the thing is, though, that if we needed seven or less on several drives and as a team we were averaging over 8 in the second half, with gilbert averaging over 10/carry in the second half and our big fb averaging 9/carry in the second half, it looks to me (and, of course, i could be way off) like it was more of our play calling that shut us down the second half.....but i can definitely be wrong, for sure.....

i think the place i disagree with your assessment of the game the most is your compliment of just having been beaten by a better team.....on your last drive if your receiver had caught that wide open ball in the endzone, you guys would have been down by 5 with an onside kick to come......and all this after your running game only averaged 1 yd/carry all night, and while gilbert is averaging 14 yds/carry.....i dont see the game as much of a runaway to our side as you gratiously describe....i think if you guys played that game 10 more times you wouldnt have possibly played as bad a game as you did, and yet your coaches STILL had you guys within a dropped ball within being 5 down, i think that speaks volumes to them.....

the two really unsung heroes on our playoff run was our two def tackles, those guys wont receive the all state honors they should because theyre both "bad bodied" players, in other words they have warren sapp disease.....but they shut down ford of kirbyville, held you guys to 1 yd/carry and even took carthage rb to less than 100, even during a second half when they were TRYING to run the ball to end the game, and this guy went for over 300 against brownwood....we were even trying to rush carthage qb hard in the second half aand still the dt's kept them from running the ball.....all season those guys took care of the middle so the lb's could roam more and use their speed.....when people talk about what we lost this year its always good to know we have those two starting interior linemen coming back this year for rushing defense.....

so while i may not agree with you about shutting us dowwn in the second half, i sure disagree with you that you guys were just beaten by a better team......you still almost won that game while playing one of your worst ones of the year......:2thumbsup

Understood TrojanDad....let me re-phrase it then. We shut down the scoreboard from going any higher!! LOL...I fully get what you are saying, you guys still seemed to dominate the field, but I have a feeling that had your coaches felt they could of scored (without too much undue risk), they would have. I have no problem in saying you guys were the better team, you certainly were that night, thats for sure. But I appreciate your compliments of our boys. Hopefully, we will get another shot at you!!!

[wimbo_pro]

We will be BLESSED if this years defense gives up only 50% more points/game than did the '05 team. BLESSED I say...and we will win every game if this happens. In other words, if we can end the season with only 15 points scored against us per game....we win 'em all. EVERY GAME. That '05 defense was something to watch, and ranks well above average when compared to other state champions, especially taking into account the massive scoring increase over the last few decades. We have the offensive power...we need a D to back it up.

I think Coach Smith is the best D coach in 3A (and maybe all categories), and if he has a healthy stable of young men...watch out.

BTW...just heard that Mikey Buse has been selected as one of the running backs for Sam Houston State this year, his last year. Go Mikey!

[trojandad]

We will be BLESSED if this years defense gives up only 50% more points/game than did the '05 team. BLESSED I say...and we will win every game if this happens. In other words, if we can end the season with only 15 points scored against us per game....we win 'em all. EVERY GAME. That '05 defense was something to watch, and ranks well above average when compared to other state champions, especially taking into account the massive scoring increase over the last few decades. We have the offensive power...we need a D to back it up.

I think Coach Smith is the best D coach in 3A (and maybe all categories), and if he has a healthy stable of young men...watch out.

BTW...just heard that Mikey Buse has been selected as one of the running backs for Sam Houston State this year, his last year. Go Mikey!

i heard the same thing about buse, good news.....my oldest was on that nat'l semifinal team his freshman year at sam, was a fun ride.....

[trojandad]

Would have loved to have seen an injury free Smith after the fast start he had. 732 yds and 17 td's after 5 games. Could have easily matched Gilbert in yardage and surpassed him in scoring. Oh well, as Paul Harvey would say "Now you know the rest of the story".

would have been some outstanding numbers, thats for sure.....

what you have to remember about cummings and gilberts numbers is neither of them started until game 3....gilbert due to a preseason injury and cummings just couldnt crack the starting lineup (which is why his numbers for the year were such a shock, because we have two other backs coming back that kept him on the bench the first two games of the year)....

[Gone Fishing]

Well its finally here Texan fans. Should be fun to see how Wimberleys coaches put all the puzzle to gather for what should be a great year. The Oline will be fun to watch and how they put it to gather and who. A receiver spot or two should be up for the one who wants it the most and the same for DB's. Wimberley is so deep they have a chance to be as good as 05 or better. Need a kicker bad, unless Nelms pulled one out of his hat and he may have by now. There is so many good players the special teams should be special on returns. There is such a great coaching staff and such a large group of really good players, anything is possible this year for sure. Need to keep the injury bug away too. That hurt big time late last year. Good luck Texans, also heard there is new jerseys. ( if you look good, you play good!!!)

[ogg]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1595977]Well its finally here Texan fans. Should be fun to see how Wimberleys coaches put all the puzzle to gather for what should be a great year. The Oline will be fun to watch and how they put it to gather and who. A receiver spot or two should be up for the one who wants it the most and the same for DB's. Wimberley is so deep they have a chance to be as good as 05 or better. Need a kicker bad, unless Nelms pulled one out of his hat and he may have by now. There is so many good players the special teams should be special on returns. There is such a great coaching staff and such a large group of really good players, anything is possible this year for sure. Need to keep the injury bug away too. That hurt big time late last year. Good luck Texans, also heard there is new jerseys. ( if you look good, you play good!!!)[/QUOTE

Yes, our boys have a shot at making the playoffs this year.

[wimbo_pro]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1595977]Well its finally here Texan fans. Should be fun to see how Wimberleys coaches put all the puzzle to gather for what should be a great year. The Oline will be fun to watch and how they put it to gather and who. A receiver spot or two should be up for the one who wants it the most and the same for DB's. Wimberley is so deep they have a chance to be as good as 05 or better. Need a kicker bad, unless Nelms pulled one out of his hat and he may have by now. There is so many good players the special teams should be special on returns. There is such a great coaching staff and such a large group of really good players, anything is possible this year for sure. Need to keep the injury bug away too. That hurt big time late last year. Good luck Texans, also heard there is new jerseys. ( if you look good, you play good!!!)[/QUOTE

Yes, our boys have a shot at making the playoffs this year.

[wimbo_pro]

Dang! This new dangled edit function....

Anyways...LOL at OGG! Ya think? Maybe a chance? With that kind of confidence you are showing , we just might have a winning season!

[Gone Fishing]

Thats funny OGG. If half the team doesnt fail the first 6 weeks and we dont have a half dozen injuries we will make the playoffs. My prediction 15 and 1.

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Thats funny OGG. If half the team doesnt fail the first 6 weeks and we dont have a half dozen injuries we will make the playoffs. My prediction 15 and 1.


So who's the "one" in 15 and 1

[trojandad]

So who's the "one" in 15 and 1

im bettin its sealy.....just a hunch....

[ogg]

Dang! This new dangled edit function....

Anyways...LOL at OGG! Ya think? Maybe a chance? With that kind of confidence you are showing , we just might have a winning season!


All about the o-line this year Wimbo-Rocket, all about the line. If they jell, will be a super year. We'll see.

[wimbo_pro]

All about the o-line this year Wimbo-Rocket, all about the line. If they jell, will be a super year. We'll see.
I agree with that OGG, with regards to going deep in the play offs. Regarding getting in the play offs? We could have our worst year in many with regard to the O-line and STILL make the play offs. Way too much talent to predict otherwise. It would take an unprecedented collapse of coaching and talent, plus injuries like we have never seen to make this a probability.

I could see us losing one before district play...Sealy being the most talented of our early foes, with Cuero a threat, but not as much as last year. And in district play? We could drop another against the other two who can come close to our level, and that's CL and Navarro, of course. He'll, we could end up beating both of these guys and dropping one to another lesser talented team...who knows. We WILL get in the play offs though.

[ogg]

I agree with that OGG, with regards to going deep in the play offs. Regarding getting in the play offs? We could have our worst year in many with regard to the O-line and STILL make the play offs. Way too much talent to predict otherwise. It would take an unprecedented collapse of coaching and talent, plus injuries like we have never seen to make this a probability.

I could see us losing one before district play...Sealy being the most talented of our early foes, with Cuero a threat, but not as much as last year. And in district play? We could drop another against the other two who can come close to our level, and that's CL and Navarro, of course. He'll, we could end up beating both of these guys and dropping one to another lesser talented team...who knows. We WILL get in the play offs though.

You're way over me dude. See a super year to me is making the playoffs. By the way I project Ingleside to go deep in the playoffs. Wouldn't be surprised to see our centex brothers Llano and Liberty Hill down murderer's row also. West Orange Stark prior to state.

[wimbo_pro]

You're way over me dude. See a super year to me is making the playoffs. By the way I project Ingleside to go deep in the playoffs. Wouldn't be surprised to see our centex brothers Llano and Liberty Hill down murderer's row also. West Orange Stark prior to state.
Now you're talking! I agree, LH and Llano...I got a feeling we will meet up, assuming we make the playoffs, of course! LOL! Not sure bout WOS this year....will have to hear more about them.

[Gone Fishing]

I'm replying to a few above, so hang with me. Ogg , I think going 16 and 0 is possible but just dang near Impossible although the 05 team did go 15 and 0. to answer your reply, I would say Cuero. (just because) if not I would say Sealy but I think by that time our coaches would have the team clicking. I do think Dripping should not be over looked, (they are 4 A and that says something) La Vernia should be safe but they are rated to be good this year and we would not want a let down there. As for as district, we better watch out for CL, they may be really good and I mean really good. They have a good program and LOTS of kids. My opinion is Navarro will not be a threat at all, they lost all their studs last year and they are a small school and cant rebuild that quick. My dark horse to watch out for is Boerne. With all that said, I think it would be hard to go undefeated, but with that being said, we could easily be good enough with all the stars lining up to have one loss (or two) and still win state for sure.

[Gone Fishing]

Llano is still not very good. they need another year for re bound. LH could be good, they have had two years to re bound and their program is very good.

[Gone Fishing]

WOS will be good and they have a good message to succeed this year

[Gone Fishing]

I agree with that OGG, with regards to going deep in the play offs. Regarding getting in the play offs? We could have our worst year in many with regard to the O-line and STILL make the play offs. Way too much talent to predict otherwise. It would take an unprecedented collapse of coaching and talent, plus injuries like we have never seen to make this a probability.

I could see us losing one before district play...Sealy being the most talented of our early foes, with Cuero a threat, but not as much as last year. And in district play? We could drop another against the other two who can come close to our level, and that's CL and Navarro, of course. He'll, we could end up beating both of these guys and dropping one to another lesser talented team...who knows. We WILL get in the play offs though.


need a place kicker and some O line guys to step up for sure . not even sure who will be on the O line exept Carrillo at this point. Some pretty good players from last years Jv- QB/saftey/rec and two or three linemen that could play or even start on O line. but thats about it from there. will be interesting for sure on the line.

[gold_33]

I'm replying to a few above, so hang with me. Ogg , I think going 16 and 0 is possible but just dang near Impossible although the 05 team did go 15 and 0. to answer your reply, I would say Cuero. (just because) if not I would say Sealy but I think by that time our coaches would have the team clicking. I do think Dripping should not be over looked, (they are 4 A and that says something) La Vernia should be safe but they are rated to be good this year and we would not want a let down there. As for as district, we better watch out for CL, they may be really good and I mean really good. They have a good program and LOTS of kids. My opinion is Navarro will not be a threat at all, they lost all their studs last year and they are a small school and cant rebuild that quick. My dark horse to watch out for is Boerne. With all that said, I think it would be hard to go undefeated, but with that being said, we could easily be good enough with all the stars lining up to have one loss (or two) and still win state for sure.

Canyon Lake's QB from last year moved so I dont know how good they will be having to replace him, they may be a dark horse but I still think Navarro and possibly Boerne will be the main threats in district.

[Gone Fishing]

Canyon Lake's QB from last year moved so I dont know how good they will be having to replace him, they may be a dark horse but I still think Navarro and possibly Boerne will be the main threats in district.



I didnt know they lost their QB thats big for sure. Should win every district game but sure dont want a let down any where

[HSFB]

Holliman is not playing football. Grey never got a single snap at qb last year when two a days started, so I doubt he will play any QB this year. Travis Payton was slated to play QB until the other guy moved in from Aledo late in the summer. There was no competition it was givin to the move in the day he got here although it sort of looked like there was competition early, but Payton was the back up all along. During 7 on 7 Last year Payton out played Grey or Burtshell easily at QB. Also, there is two rec spots open unless Alano is in the game on O. If players are going both ways then its easy to figure out DB's, If not then there is some other guys from jv or bench from last year that will have to step up. Don't see the McRoberts and Morris DB battle for a CB position at all. One hasn't played in 2 years and the other is an outside LB and nether one hardly played any 7 on 7 this summer. I like most of the others you got and there is frankly a lot to chose from on this team for sure. I got a felling there may be a few players not ever mentioned much that may really step it up this year and find playing time. Great comments, wish I had time to post more. Later HSFB and all.

How did the JV QB do last year?

[clhsdad]

CL will be fine at QB this year as we switch to a much more run offense as we did in the playoffs last year. The first two years we were mostly a passing offense as we struggled to develop a consistent running game. I think we will be a much better and balanced offense this year. Two talented running backs and a much improved OL will take alot of pressure off the QB this year.

[Gone Fishing]

How did the JV QB do last year?



A very good football player, can play a lot of positions other than QB to help contribute this year. Has a good accurate arm also.

[Gone Fishing]

CL will be fine at QB this year as we switch to a much more run offense as we did in the playoffs last year. The first two years we were mostly a passing offense as we struggled to develop a consistent running game. I think we will be a much better and balanced offense this year. Two talented running backs and a much improved OL will take alot of pressure off the QB this year.


Sorry thats not good news for ya'll, you will have big problems running against Wimberley this year and actually next year too. Very solid D.

[wimbo_pro]

Sorry thats not good news for ya'll, you will have big problems running against Wimberley this year and actually next year too. Very solid D.
An improved D is a must for the Texans this year....so many injuries last year made our numbers look horrible.

[lbjacj]

Who's that 1 in your 9-1 prediction?

Either Cuero or Sealy but hopefully neither.

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Be nice if we had more seating our stadium.

[Gone Fishing]

Be nice if we had more seating our stadium.



Are you kidding ogg. you really are funny. Heard Wimberley had an injury today and thats not good. Scrimage tomorrow.

[trojandad]

An improved D is a must for the Texans this year....so many injuries last year made our numbers look horrible.

help me out, wimbo, aside from smith, who would you liked to have seen on defense last year that wasnt? i honestly dont know, im not tryin to start a fuss, i just didnt know who was missing last year that you would have liked to have seen suited up?

[lbjacj]

The Texans 1st game against Cuero may not be as close as last years game.
Talking to a friend from Cuero last night I found out that they will be without their star running back who was kicked off the team. I just hate to see these kids with great talent and potential making the wrong decisions in life. Sad story!

[ogg]

Are you kidding ogg. you really are funny. Heard Wimberley had an injury today and thats not good. Scrimage tomorrow.

I know, I really never "sit" anyway. LOL. Hope the injury's not bad. booked an early flight back on the 26th for the game:)

[bulldog82]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1597187]Are you kidding ogg. you really are funny. Heard Wimberley had an injury today and thats not good. Scrimage tomorrow.[/QUOT


Nothing on injury report? c'mon Wimbo what's going on , tell us

[Gone Fishing]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1597187]Are you kidding ogg. you really are funny. Heard Wimberley had an injury today and thats not good. Scrimage tomorrow.[/QUOT


Nothing on injury report? c'mon Wimbo what's going on , tell us




Alano, the LB/TE hurt his knee Friday. Think he got a MRI on Sat and waiting to find out. Everyone is hoping for just a 3 to 4 week recovery. He missed all the playoffs last year after hurting his knee in the last reg game, that really hurt Wimberley. (6'2" 220. fast) against CS plus a DL player that missed the last couple of playoff games. Those two guys are game makers on Def for sure.

[Gone Fishing]

help me out, wimbo, aside from smith, who would you liked to have seen on defense last year that wasnt? i honestly dont know, im not tryin to start a fuss, i just didnt know who was missing last year that you would have liked to have seen suited up?

I think I know who wimbo would say - Alano 6'2" 220 4.7 LB , Fonville 5'10" 185 4.7 DL/DE and a healthy Smith. If all in and playing whole def game, it would have made a big , big difference in the out come for sure.

[Sportshack]

The 05 team had PLAYMAKERS at every position on both sides of ball. They had guys that were flat out studs that could not get on the field on a routine basis. They had 3 guys in secondary that could run 4.5's and better on occasion. They had a middle linebacker that got a D-1 scholarship. They had both size and speed on defensive line. They had tremendous speed at OLB's as well. In fact, they had about 12 guys off of that team get scholarships to play football...and 3 of them were D-1...pretty good out of 3A school. The depth of the team was huge. IMHO this current team is more unproven and a little thin in depth as compared to the 05 team. This team has great talent at skills positions. Alana got hurt on 1st day of pads and that is a big blow to the inside linebacker position. They are replacing 4 seniors on O-Line. Did get a move in that could help. Sooo...they need O-Line to gel. I feel that it might take a little time but I am totally confident it will get worked out by time they roll into district. The kicker situation is not an insignificant piece of puzzle. Wimberley has been fortunate to have a very good place kicker for the last 8 seasons and this year will be a different animal. The skills player that this team possesses are legit. They will have great receivers in Blakemore and Burttschelle. Holliman is also a steady hand. Josh Gray will add firepower when they go to 5 receiver set. Smith is a big difference maker and Wilson is a very gifted RB who just lacks Smith's size and top in speed. Wilson, however, has awesome intuitive running skills, instincts and moves. Brady Lambert is a really good QB. I hear people give him heat for holding the ball. However, the kid only threw 2 interceptions throughout the regular season last year...amazing...why...because he did not force balls when under pressure . That kind of stuff had really hurt the team in years gone by. He will likely only be better this year. Oh yeah...he is hard nosed and a really good running QB. The defensive line looks like it will be solid. OLB's look solid. ILB's are a question if Alana cannot make it back. However, there are some guys that could feel the spot but they will not have the experience. LAst year the other ILB, Kuenzli, had a monster senior year as a 3-year letterman. The back up to Alana was a senior that had played a the position a lot at JV level. This year they will not have that experience if Alana does not make it back and therefore, there will be a learning curve in heart of D. Also, when Blakemore is not playing CB due to taking a breather, there will be a talent and experience drop off at that position. Everyone else is new. I would expect Gray to mostly play safety. He is good. You wills see Smith, Lambert, Blakemore rotating in on defense and the defense will be salty when they are in. Cannot do it all the time especially with the QB. So right now...O-line and ILB need a bit of shoring but if the kids they got pan out...this team will be very, very good. However, it seems to me a dominating O-line is sort of a requirement if you are going to beat the truly elite teams in the state.

[Sportshack]

If Alana had been present it might have been a difference maker. He is physical and very, very cerebral in his play. As I recall, Gilbert had 2 longggggg runs that really hurt. Maybe Alana being there would not have changed that situation. not. Fonville is a quickness kinda guy at DE. Undersized but strong and quick. I thought Coldspring simply had a more athletic team. They won the line of scrimmage on both sides of ball and had good athleticism in secondary. Also had more speed, especially with Smith not playing much of a role on offense.

[Sportshack]

05 was talent and coaching which certainly goes hand in hand to achieve that level of success. The class of 05 was very talented and was supported by some outstanding underclassmen.

Gilbert opens up so much for your O due to his speed and that is quite a luxury to have that type of player especially at the 3A level. Those guys do not come through a program very often. Not to mention that Cummings was quite a player as well but remove the Gilbert factor and it would be interesting to see if y’all still have a deep run in to the playoffs like Wimberley did without some of their “difference makers”.

Thanks for the suggestion and all fine and good that y’all had a good game against us in the semi’s but again that was last year. Too bad all that coaching, talent and general lights out prep in practice did not translate success vs. Carthage as their fans were probably the ones taking bets on which CS db would get burned in that game with 6 td passes against them. Which in turn gives me very big concerns for CS defense this year and not having D speed to control those type of 47 point outbursts. And CS is ranked #4 right now……I just don’t see it. Hopefully you have an influx of JV talent to get you over the hump :) . Carthage had the ability to pretty much negate the Gilbert factor except for the one long run and that was the difference in my opinion. Point is that things can change drastically from week to week with so many variables that determine the outcome. I could go in to quite a few factors for our semi L to y’all but just really sounds like a lot of excuses and I hate excuses….and the better team won that night.

Anyway, bunch of talk about last year but, as you know, the dynamics in HS football change year to year and last year is well…last year. All of those underclassmen have another year’s experience under their belt and are all a year older and stronger…and faster. There are a handful of other factors that come in to play here but I will rest on that. There is plenty of speed on this D to get the job done and then some and I strongly feel that this will prove out and the fun point is that we have this thread to point to for “told you so” purposes….and I do not mind being on the receiving end as it is all in good fun.

Great balanced assessment Trojandad. Last year's Wimberley defense definitely lacked speed in secondary. And a team flat out has to have that speed when facing elite level offenses! The 05 team often referenced in this thread had great team speed. However, when the played West Orange-Stark in semi's they say 4.3 type speed from Deion Beasley and Earl Thomas and it was an eye opener what that type of talent can do even a very fast defense. Than goodness that beasley was not a natural QB. They scored 29 points on a defense that ended up averaging about 9 points a game overall. Speed kills. Fortunately, Wimberley was overall a faster team that year, just not faster than those 2 guys. Interestingly and that allowed them to hang in there, get some turnovers against a very good WO-S team and prevail. Also, WO-S could not stop Wimbo and also gave up 2 defensive scores off turnovers.

[Gone Fishing]

True on the O line question mark. Looks like they a have a a bunch, but who can step up and be the best. If they could go both ways there is a couple of def players that clearly could be the best of the O bunch but I would think they are going to limit that as much as possible. So a couple of the un proven guys will hopefully or have to step up. Agree on the db's and rec's its just again how much do the coaches want two way guys. Wimberly should have a fair amount of lopsided games that some of the new Var. players can get some valuable playing and learning time. They have a couple of jrs that will be good players, but just need to learn the speed of var. play.

Yes the 05 team was probably deeper, maybe better too, but its always hard to remember for sure, when it was that long ago. Its easy to have blinders on sometimes. Its just human nature. It always happened to me in little league, I would watch a team a few years after my kids teams played and say these kids, "are NO way even close to as good as our old teams". Hell they may have been just as good its just blinders and time that went by. This years team may be just as good as that 05 team and we don't know it. I do believe there is depth just a few of the younger guys from last year jv or bench need some time to learn the new speed and abilities of varsity. If so then we may very well have the same depth of 05.

I like this team, I give them a very good chance, but like any team and any year, alot of things need to happen. The talent and depth is there.

[ogg]

Not just a double threat offense in Wimberley this year, but a very good triple threat. Lambert can (1) throw, (2) run or (3) hand off to one of two very explosive RBs. This is a defensive coordinator's nightmare and show keep them guessing. Hopefully, this will remove some load off the O-Line during the first few weeks. We'll see.

[trojandad]

05 was talent and coaching which certainly goes hand in hand to achieve that level of success. The class of 05 was very talented and was supported by some outstanding underclassmen.

Gilbert opens up so much for your O due to his speed and that is quite a luxury to have that type of player especially at the 3A level. Those guys do not come through a program very often. Not to mention that Cummings was quite a player as well but remove the Gilbert factor and it would be interesting to see if y’all still have a deep run in to the playoffs like Wimberley did without some of their “difference makers”.

Thanks for the suggestion and all fine and good that y’all had a good game against us in the semi’s but again that was last year. Too bad all that coaching, talent and general lights out prep in practice did not translate success vs. Carthage as their fans were probably the ones taking bets on which CS db would get burned in that game with 6 td passes against them. Which in turn gives me very big concerns for CS defense this year and not having D speed to control those type of 47 point outbursts. And CS is ranked #4 right now……I just don’t see it. Hopefully you have an influx of JV talent to get you over the hump :) . Carthage had the ability to pretty much negate the Gilbert factor except for the one long run and that was the difference in my opinion. Point is that things can change drastically from week to week with so many variables that determine the outcome. I could go in to quite a few factors for our semi L to y’all but just really sounds like a lot of excuses and I hate excuses….and the better team won that night.

Anyway, bunch of talk about last year but, as you know, the dynamics in HS football change year to year and last year is well…last year. All of those underclassmen have another year’s experience under their belt and are all a year older and stronger…and faster. There are a handful of other factors that come in to play here but I will rest on that. There is plenty of speed on this D to get the job done and then some and I strongly feel that this will prove out and the fun point is that we have this thread to point to for “told you so” purposes….and I do not mind being on the receiving end as it is all in good fun.

first, ive expressed nothing but admiration for wimbo's team last year, ive made mention in here directly disputing your fans saying that they were beaten by a better team, ive said repeatedly that i dont know how we won the game against you guys even tho i felt your guys had played one of their worst games of the season against us...i cant do anymore than ive done expressing my admiration for your team and especially your coaching staff....i sincerely hope (if it needs to be said again for you to see) that we dont have to face you guys again this year....i think your guys will be talented, motivated and i doubt we will be lucky enough to catch as poor of a game from you as we did last year.....i dont know english words to better describe my appreciation for your team....

second, yea, chuckle at every 47 point outburst thrown on us last year, youll be chuckling a lot.....

third, since i was there ill tell you (in case you werent there), the carthage fans i heard at half time at the concession stand were worried sick that they could start the game with a lucky td pass and yet were thanking their lucky stars the they tangled feet dropping the cs defender as that one td was the only thing keeping carthage from being down at half....the second half caused your memory of the game as a whole to be skued.....gilbert touched the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, so barbay had much more to do with gilbert being "in check".....a lucky hand on the ball slap by the carthage defense twice when cs was going in for a td negated 2 other tds....its how the game goes, and i accept they had the better overall team, but you talk like the game started out 47 - 0, the beginning score for them still only counted 6 points....yes, it was a letdown to our already weak db's but the game was changed more from barbays calls in the 2nd half than stops made by carthage....

third, if youve read any of my posts ive repeated many times how the two kirbyville games as well as the wimbo game should have been lost due to our defensive backfield defense.....it was, and may this year be, the weakest part of our defense, ive never backed away from that....in the second kirbyville game the k'ville receiver cicinich averaged 50+ yards per catch.....why would a coach not keep that up in the second half?...i could do like you did with carthage and say we "shut them down" in the defensive backfield, but im not an idiot, we stopped nothing, we were fortunate their coach decided to try to just run the second half...it was the only way we could compete with them....we had a better running game, and made up 2 tds in the second half....and with wimberley, we won that game because of your receivers dropping passes, not because we "shut you down"....granted our pass rush was better against you guys than against carthage, but our db's did NOT shut you guys down....wimbo pro and i talked about this, that even though we didnt score on you guys in the second half, it was sorta obvious that we had gone away from rushing attempts, even though our rushing average was almost the same in the second half as it was in the first half, coach just called more passing plays....that doesnt qualify for shutting someone down, which is why i dont proclaim our db's to be dominant....i think we lucked out to get where we got last year because of our defensive backfield, as huffman showed earlier in the season, but if your thinking it was because of our speed there youd be wrong, each of those guys, ESPECIALLY sykes with all his int'slast year, can hang with gilbert in sprints.....we just dont have a lot of passing teams to practice on during the year....

fourth, cummings was taken off defense last year to play offense the third game of the year, all of the three backs we had splitting time with him at rb before that are back this year, with only tevon who subbed for gilbert being graduated......all of the 3 guys playing aside cummings are faster than him, one if a fb weighing 40 lb more than cummings who had a good game against you guys, too....im just saying while i loved cummings game to pieces, its not like gilbert will be back in the backfield alone this year...in fact, a soph qb last year is back as a junior, carrying a chip on his shoulder for having dropped the ball twice on wide open runs into the endzone against carthage...experience at qb in a state championship game is as good as your qb having experience in a state semi game as well as all his expeience in prior years....

next, why are we wondering what cs will be like without gilbert?...the kid has kept his nose clean for the past 3 years while being a star on our team, hes gotten in no trouble....i havent wished smith to get in trouble again so we can "see what your team is like without him", and he does have a track record.....i want to know what wimbo is like WITH smith playing, i want to know what wimbo will be ranked WITH him, not hoping something happens to him....geez louise.....


now, though this isnt our thread, ill put in my two bits on our chances....i think we'll need luck to get back where we did last year, as any team does, but heres why....we need teams to throw the ball against us before we hit playoff time so we can have reps against good throwing teams...when we have a shepherd, tarkington, splendora or cleveland throwing against us in second halves in order to erase 30 pt deficiencies at half time, our team speed allows for us to correct def backfield errors....we dont have enough speed to correct errors made against teams as fast as we are....

you say that we have a less than adequate def backfield, and ive agredd, but lets talk about our running defense....carthage was trying their best to run the game out in the second half, yet could only get 80+ yds for the game while he was over 300 yds against brownwood....in what i saw last year, i would take k'villes back, athens back and even columbus' back appelt in the same breath as holland for carthage....he couldnt make 4 yd/carry against us and yet ran for over 300 yds against brownwood, yet nobody says brownwood wasnt a state championship team because they couldnt stop the run....carthage had the best pass protection i saw all year, but even their offensive line couldnt clear our def line out while our line was defending the run AND trying to add extra pass rush in the second half, and yet carthage still couldnt run on us....does that mean because we have the stud rushing defense and brownwood had a better passing defense that we should not be mentioned as state worthy?....ask brownwood people, they had to stay at home the next week because they didnt have the rushing defense we had.....i dont have a problem answering for carthages 6 tds on us, but nobody wants to take brownwood to task as being a less than adequate team because they had almost zero rushing defense against carthage and that an apparently average running back (at least against us) could put 300+ yds on them and thats why they deserved to sit at home.....each team has its strengths and weaknesses, and when you have a team that has all strengths you call them daingerfield, or big sandy......i never claimed to have one of THOSE teams......brownwood was a very good team, though they had a hole in their rushing defense, we had a very good team, though we had a hole in our passing defense, i feel you guys deserved a chance to play in the state championship game last year, even though you had a hole in your rushing defense against us.....

but ill say right here, i believe from everything i saw last year, i believe our rushing defense is better than even our rushing offense, i believe its one of, if not THE best in the state....i dont call much of what we do the best in the state, but our rushing defense gets many reps against our rushing offense in practice, and as our rushing offense was statistically the best in 3a ball last year, our rushing defense got the reps they needed and it showed on the field, shutting down k'ville, columbus, athens, you guys and carthage.....its a lot easier to fix a passing defense when you already have the rushing defense handled....look back at the stats of each game, youll see nobody ran on us past the crockett game last year.....

my only responses to wimberley fans out here was that my one and only view of your team didnt see your db's reacting with the same speed as some other teams we played, im not saying you guys were turtles, far from it, i was saying if your team was my team tomorrow, my wish list would be to have more speed in the db's and better o line play.....your rbs averaged 1 yd/carry against us and we had more than a few sacks and hurries....your team, like ours, has holes, but teams near the top of the rankings have holes, or else theyd be AT the top....rofl.....

our biggest problem is having enough bodies coming out to play....a week ago i had breakfast with some friends and we made a list of every kid we know to go to school at coldspring and it numbered 415, not the 500+ count uil gets when they smoke dope before taking our counts....i remember years in 2001 & 2 when we had 35 boys come out for varsity AND jv....to compete on such a high level in 3a with our numbers is miraculous.....to show up at jerrys place to play a state championship game in 10+ year old jerseys and helmets was a disgrace, yet thats our financial state....

and for the record in the carthage game, they threw to the wr covered by sykes only once in their game against us, our db who averaged an int every playoff game last year, he batted it down, so they werent taking bets on him being burned....

[Gone Fishing]

Not just a double threat offense in Wimberley this year, but a very good triple threat. Lambert can (1) throw, (2) run or (3) hand off to one of two very explosive RBs. This is a defensive coordinator's nightmare and show keep them guessing. Hopefully, this will remove some load off the O-Line during the first few weeks. We'll see.


He was only a jr last year and he did good and I'm sure he has improved a bunch since last year in all the areas you mention, but in the last 2 playoff games against very good teams , didnt throw good, could not run for much and our RB's got 1 yard per carry against CS. Thats not a triple threat. Our line full of seniors did not do good those last two games either. This O needs 11 going 110% every play every day and that includes rec's that took time off when they knew the play was not them and did not down field block and did not run hard good routes every play. I hope some of that changes this year and coaches only have the players in that give it 110.

Also my opinion is this O line will never get a load off the whole year and everyone of them need to be busting balls every week. They are the key to the success. Just my opinion.

[Sportshack]

first, ive expressed nothing but admiration for wimbo's team last year, ive made mention in here directly disputing your fans saying that they were beaten by a better team, ive said repeatedly that i dont know how we won the game against you guys even tho i felt your guys had played one of their worst games of the season against us...i cant do anymore than ive done expressing my admiration for your team and especially your coaching staff....i sincerely hope (if it needs to be said again for you to see) that we dont have to face you guys again this year....i think your guys will be talented, motivated and i doubt we will be lucky enough to catch as poor of a game from you as we did last year.....i dont know english words to better describe my appreciation for your team....

second, yea, chuckle at every 47 point outburst thrown on us last year, youll be chuckling a lot.....

third, since i was there ill tell you (in case you werent there), the carthage fans i heard at half time at the concession stand were worried sick that they could start the game with a lucky td pass and yet were thanking their lucky stars the they tangled feet dropping the cs defender as that one td was the only thing keeping carthage from being down at half....the second half caused your memory of the game as a whole to be skued.....gilbert touched the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, so barbay had much more to do with gilbert being "in check".....a lucky hand on the ball slap by the carthage defense twice when cs was going in for a td negated 2 other tds....its how the game goes, and i accept they had the better overall team, but you talk like the game started out 47 - 0, the beginning score for them still only counted 6 points....yes, it was a letdown to our already weak db's but the game was changed more from barbays calls in the 2nd half than stops made by carthage....

third, if youve read any of my posts ive repeated many times how the two kirbyville games as well as the wimbo game should have been lost due to our defensive backfield defense.....it was, and may this year be, the weakest part of our defense, ive never backed away from that....in the second kirbyville game the k'ville receiver cicinich averaged 50+ yards per catch.....why would a coach not keep that up in the second half?...i could do like you did with carthage and say we "shut them down" in the defensive backfield, but im not an idiot, we stopped nothing, we were fortunate their coach decided to try to just run the second half...it was the only way we could compete with them....we had a better running game, and made up 2 tds in the second half....and with wimberley, we won that game because of your receivers dropping passes, not because we "shut you down"....granted our pass rush was better against you guys than against carthage, but our db's did NOT shut you guys down....wimbo pro and i talked about this, that even though we didnt score on you guys in the second half, it was sorta obvious that we had gone away from rushing attempts, even though our rushing average was almost the same in the second half as it was in the first half, coach just called more passing plays....that doesnt qualify for shutting someone down, which is why i dont proclaim our db's to be dominant....i think we lucked out to get where we got last year because of our defensive backfield, as huffman showed earlier in the season, but if your thinking it was because of our speed there youd be wrong, each of those guys, ESPECIALLY sykes with all his int'slast year, can hang with gilbert in sprints.....we just dont have a lot of passing teams to practice on during the year....

fourth, cummings was taken off defense last year to play offense the third game of the year, all of the three backs we had splitting time with him at rb before that are back this year, with only tevon who subbed for gilbert being graduated......all of the 3 guys playing aside cummings are faster than him, one if a fb weighing 40 lb more than cummings who had a good game against you guys, too....im just saying while i loved cummings game to pieces, its not like gilbert will be back in the backfield alone this year...in fact, a soph qb last year is back as a junior, carrying a chip on his shoulder for having dropped the ball twice on wide open runs into the endzone against carthage...experience at qb in a state championship game is as good as your qb having experience in a state semi game as well as all his expeience in prior years....

next, why are we wondering what cs will be like without gilbert?...the kid has kept his nose clean for the past 3 years while being a star on our team, hes gotten in no trouble....i havent wished smith to get in trouble again so we can "see what your team is like without him", and he does have a track record.....i want to know what wimbo is like WITH smith playing, i want to know what wimbo will be ranked WITH him, not hoping something happens to him....geez louise.....


now, though this isnt our thread, ill put in my two bits on our chances....i think we'll need luck to get back where we did last year, as any team does, but heres why....we need teams to throw the ball against us before we hit playoff time so we can have reps against good throwing teams...when we have a shepherd, tarkington, splendora or cleveland throwing against us in second halves in order to erase 30 pt deficiencies at half time, our team speed allows for us to correct def backfield errors....we dont have enough speed to correct errors made against teams as fast as we are....

you say that we have a less than adequate def backfield, and ive agredd, but lets talk about our running defense....carthage was trying their best to run the game out in the second half, yet could only get 80+ yds for the game while he was over 300 yds against brownwood....in what i saw last year, i would take k'villes back, athens back and even columbus' back appelt in the same breath as holland for carthage....he couldnt make 4 yd/carry against us and yet ran for over 300 yds against brownwood, yet nobody says brownwood wasnt a state championship team because they couldnt stop the run....carthage had the best pass protection i saw all year, but even their offensive line couldnt clear our def line out while our line was defending the run AND trying to add extra pass rush in the second half, and yet carthage still couldnt run on us....does that mean because we have the stud rushing defense and brownwood had a better passing defense that we should not be mentioned as state worthy?....ask brownwood people, they had to stay at home the next week because they didnt have the rushing defense we had.....i dont have a problem answering for carthages 6 tds on us, but nobody wants to take brownwood to task as being a less than adequate team because they had almost zero rushing defense against carthage and that an apparently average running back (at least against us) could put 300+ yds on them and thats why they deserved to sit at home.....each team has its strengths and weaknesses, and when you have a team that has all strengths you call them daingerfield, or big sandy......i never claimed to have one of THOSE teams......brownwood was a very good team, though they had a hole in their rushing defense, we had a very good team, though we had a hole in our passing defense, i feel you guys deserved a chance to play in the state championship game last year, even though you had a hole in your rushing defense against us.....

but ill say right here, i believe from everything i saw last year, i believe our rushing defense is better than even our rushing offense, i believe its one of, if not THE best in the state....i dont call much of what we do the best in the state, but our rushing defense gets many reps against our rushing offense in practice, and as our rushing offense was statistically the best in 3a ball last year, our rushing defense got the reps they needed and it showed on the field, shutting down k'ville, columbus, athens, you guys and carthage.....its a lot easier to fix a passing defense when you already have the rushing defense handled....look back at the stats of each game, youll see nobody ran on us past the crockett game last year.....

my only responses to wimberley fans out here was that my one and only view of your team didnt see your db's reacting with the same speed as some other teams we played, im not saying you guys were turtles, far from it, i was saying if your team was my team tomorrow, my wish list would be to have more speed in the db's and better o line play.....your rbs averaged 1 yd/carry against us and we had more than a few sacks and hurries....your team, like ours, has holes, but teams near the top of the rankings have holes, or else theyd be AT the top....rofl.....

our biggest problem is having enough bodies coming out to play....a week ago i had breakfast with some friends and we made a list of every kid we know to go to school at coldspring and it numbered 415, not the 500+ count uil gets when they smoke dope before taking our counts....i remember years in 2001 & 2 when we had 35 boys come out for varsity AND jv....to compete on such a high level in 3a with our numbers is miraculous.....to show up at jerrys place to play a state championship game in 10+ year old jerseys and helmets was a disgrace, yet thats our financial state....

and for the record in the carthage game, they threw to the wr covered by sykes only once in their game against us, our db who averaged an int every playoff game last year, he batted it down, so they werent taking bets on him being burned....

I thought Coldspring had a fast athletic secondary. I just thought Carthage had really fast talented receivers and a great QB that allowed them to explode for big plays on that day. The game was 22-22 at the half. Coldspring was good and talented. Coldspring definitely appeared to be the better team against Wimberley. I give Wimberley credit for battling back and having a chance to make it interesting since they could not run the ball that day. The dropped pass in the end zone would have made the score 26-21 (assuming PAT) with 3:00 minutes left. That means WHS would have had to succeed on another onside kick. The 1st one was a bit controversial. Alas, the catch was not made. I seem to remember the QB from CS missing a wide open receiver on 1st play from scrimmage that would have been 6 points. Going to be 2 quality teams again. It just gets tough when you get to the last few teams in state. All of them are good.

[ogg]

He was only a jr last year and he did good and I'm sure he has improved a bunch since last year in all the areas you mention, but in the last 2 playoff games against very good teams , didnt throw good, could not run for much and our RB's got 1 yard per carry against CS. Thats not a triple threat. Our line full of seniors did not do good those last two games either. This O needs 11 going 110% every play every day and that includes rec's that took time off when they knew the play was not them and did not down field block and did not run hard good routes every play. I hope some of that changes this year and coaches only have the players in that give it 110.

Also my opinion is this O line will never get a load off the whole year and everyone of them need to be busting balls every week. They are the key to the success. Just my opinion.

I agree! All about the O-line this year.

Predictability is an extra load for them.

[Phil C]

They are also very good in volleyball. They are the Mecca of 3A volleyball like Poth is in 2A.

[Tejastrue]

That was disgraceful, but it is still a 3A sport. :(

[hollywood]

So, how is Wimberley going to be this year?

[BEAST]

They are also very good in volleyball. They are the Mecca of 3A volleyball like Poth is in 2A.


Whats amazing is how those guys can play a football game and a volleyball game on the same night and be good in both. Those are some tough boys right there.




BEAST

[ogg]

Whats amazing is how those guys can play a football game and a volleyball game on the same night and be good in both. Those are some tough boys right there.




BEAST

LOL, Yessiree Bob!

[Sportshack]

I heard that Niko Alana is going to be ready for 1st game after day one in pads injury. If accurate, that is very good news for Texans' defense. He is a real difference maker at ILB!

[Gone Fishing]

I heard that Niko Alana is going to be ready for 1st game after day one in pads injury. If accurate, that is very good news for Texans' defense. He is a real difference maker at ILB!
That's great news, clearly the best player on team and for sure the best TEAM leader.

[ogg]

Scrimmage this Saturday at Texan stadium, Marble Falls/ Lehman. Hope Lehman has a better season this year.

[Tejastrue]

Scrimmage this Saturday at Texan stadium, Marble Falls/ Lehman. Hope Lehman has a better season this year.

Would you know the time?

[trojandad]

a buddy of mine called yesterday and told me your guys are looking SHARP!!! especially your qb....:cheerl:

[Tejastrue]

a buddy of mine called yesterday and told me your guys are looking SHARP!!! especially your qb....:cheerl:

That's good to hear. Did he also tell you our DL/OL are all over 6' 4, 300+ and 4.6 forty guys? Wait a minute, maybe that was that other team. Oh well... :2thumbsup

[trojandad]

That's good to hear. Did he also tell you our DL/OL are all over 6' 4, 300+ and 4.6 forty guys? Wait a minute, maybe that was that other team. Oh well... :2thumbsup

you already tried passing that one by me last year....remember?....your "3 yds and a cloud of dust" team?...lol

[Tejastrue]

you already tried passing that one by me last year....remember?....your "3 yds and a cloud of dust" team?...lol I think my pitch was "brain over brawn". Neither worked of course. :crying:

[Tejastrue]

With teams like Lake Travis, Stony Point, and Cedar Park it's nice to see Blakemore's name on the list. Yes, Trojandad, he was the frustrated one.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/preseason-all-central-texas-football-team-1686378.html

[ogg]

Would you know the time?

I'm guessing, maybe 9 AM. 10 AM varsity.

[snaxet]

I'm guessing, maybe 9 AM. 10 AM varsity.

Freshman and JV starting at 8:00 with Varsity starting at 9:30

[trojandad]

With teams like Lake Travis, Stony Point, and Cedar Park it's nice to see Blakemore's name on the list. Yes, Trojandad, he was the frustrated one.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/preseason-all-central-texas-football-team-1686378.html

i thought of him when our db's were falling apart against carthage, he just had a bad night against us and let things pile upon him like our boys did in the sc game....it was easy to tell he was the guy in that def backfield.....

[Sportshack]

Myth: You need a great defense to compete for the state title.
Fact: To play on the big stage and win you need good special team play, few turnovers, and health. Offensive domination goes without saying.

Looking historically at Wimberley--------heck, their offense has been their best defense. This is why they can be 28 pt. down at the half and you just know as a fan that this game isn’t over. Teams like this are explosive.

I’ll say this, if your team is a ground force, (3 yard and a cloud of dust) don’t fall too far behind in points! This is where D is very, very important.

You can be a good team with a dominant offense and just a scrappy defense but it is very difficult to beat the elite teams in the state and claim a Championship without a truly stong defense that can assert its will as well, which, of course, further helps your offense IMHO. The 05 and 06 Wimberley teams are the classic example of this line of thought. The 05 team averaged 52 pts a game on O and gave up 9 pts a game on D thru playoffs. The 06 team had every bit as explosive of an offense (recall an incredible win over Liberty Hill that year by a score of 46-42), but had nowhere near the dominating defense of the previous year. It ultimately led to an upset loss in the Regional semi-finals after taking a 20-0 lead in 1st qtr. Just saying. WHS will be very strong team this year but they need to really improve their play in the secondary and on O-line to compete at highest levels. Good to have a worthy goal however.

[ogg]

Teams show up without a “featured” defense and win state titles all the time. Simply out score their opponent. There are reasons for this, some with game philosophy and rules. No one is questioning Code Red. The 05 d was a shutdown group.

[ogg]

Teams show up without a “featured” defense and win state titles all the time. Simply out score their opponent. There are reasons for this, some with game philosophy and rules. No one is questioning Code Red. The 05 d was a shutdown group.

Correction, make that rule changes over the years.

[Gone Fishing]

You can be a good team with a dominant offense and just a scrappy defense but it is very difficult to beat the elite teams in the state and claim a Championship without a truly stong defense that can assert its will as well, which, of course, further helps your offense IMHO. The 05 and 06 Wimberley teams are the classic example of this line of thought. The 05 team averaged 52 pts a game on O and gave up 9 pts a game on D thru playoffs. The 06 team had every bit as explosive of an offense (recall an incredible win over Liberty Hill that year by a score of 46-42), but had nowhere near the dominating defense of the previous year. It ultimately led to an upset loss in the Regional semi-finals after taking a 20-0 lead in 1st qtr. Just saying. WHS will be very strong team this year but they need to really improve their play in the secondary and on O-line to compete at highest levels. Good to have a worthy goal however.

Well put shack. Could not have said it better myself. 06 was a really and I mean really good team also. I personally think a better QB. but we just did not have quite the depth and that ment not quite the D when it came down to winning that game or the next.

[Gone Fishing]

Teams show up without a “featured” defense and win state titles all the time. Simply out score their opponent. There are reasons for this, some with game philosophy and rules. No one is questioning Code Red. The 05 d was a shutdown group.

Totally disagree OGG. That is stupid, you scare me with your comments some time, it may happen, but not very often. Remember when no one could stop Warren Moon and the Houston "run and Shoot" or Texas Tech spread. Very good coaches are out there on "ALL" levels and they figure it out and win. Hell it took a while but they figured out the wishbone too!!! It took Wimberley a while to beat LH too, but I would say we could beat them most anytime just like Navarro with that offense. Great coaches are D or they have a great asst. coach that are D. Oh, and we have that.

[ogg]

Totally disagree OGG. That is stupid, you scare me with your comments some time, it may happen, but not very often. Remember when no one could stop Warren Moon and the Houston "run and Shoot" or Texas Tech spread. Very good coaches are out there on "ALL" levels and they figure it out and win. Hell it took a while but they figured out the wishbone too!!! It took Wimberley a while to beat LH too, but I would say we could beat them most anytime just like Navarro with that offense. Great coaches are D or they have a great asst. coach that are D. Oh, and we have that.

Sorry to scare you, hope you're OK. Look at the last 4-5 years SC playoffs scores. Look at 4A,3A. My point is (again) that you don't always need a great d to win state.

LH beat us our last meeting,,,,I was there. Navarro was a good team and the game was much closer than the score showed.

Wishbone? LOL.

[lbjacj]

The Texans didn't look very good today against Marble Falls and Lehman. I didn't get to see the live quarter at the end but up until that point we looked pretty bad. We had a couple of injuries that I hope aren't serious. I know it's just a scrimmage but judging by what I saw this morning we need a lot of work.

[Tejastrue]

The Texans didn't look very good today against Marble Falls and Lehman. I didn't get to see the live quarter at the end but up until that point we looked pretty bad. We had a couple of injuries that I hope aren't serious. I know it's just a scrimmage but judging by what I saw this morning we need a lot of work.

Scrimmages are necessary but absolutely do not forecast how the season plays out. The injuries however are a whole different scenario. Hopefully, as you said, nothing serious there.

[lbjacj]

Here's a look at some of Saturdays scrimmage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWoXuEW3L8

[Sportshack]

The Texans didn't look very good today against Marble Falls and Lehman. I didn't get to see the live quarter at the end but up until that point we looked pretty bad. We had a couple of injuries that I hope aren't serious. I know it's just a scrimmage but judging by what I saw this morning we need a lot of work.

I agree team looked rusty and a bit disjointed in early part. Looked a little better to start out live quarter with some ball movement. However, stalled. Defense was decent in live quarters until MF scores long TD on 4 and 6 on a swing pass...ugh. Also some of the veterans seemed like they were just going through the motions towards end. O-line will take a bit of time. Secondary needs work as well. Early yet and those were 4A teams. Also, the tri-team scrimmage format is tough. The WHS starters played 1st couple of 20 play sessions and then most of them stood around in hot sun for a good 40 minutes waiting for next go round. Long and tedious for them.

[lbjacj]

I agree team looked rusty and a bit disjointed in early part. Looked a little better to start out live quarter with some ball movement. However, stalled. Defense was decent in live quarters until MF scores long TD on 4 and 6 on a swing pass...ugh. Also some of the veterans seemed like they were just going through the motions towards end. O-line will take a bit of time. Secondary needs work as well. Early yet and those were 4A teams. Also, the tri-team scrimmage format is tough. The WHS starters played 1st couple of 20 play sessions and then most of them stood around in hot sun for a good 40 minutes waiting for next go round. Long and tedious for them.

I agree. I bet we won't see any more 3 team scrimmages.

[gold_33]

For some reason will always look bad in scrimmages, the past 5-6 years we've looked sloppy in scrimmages and even 05 we didnt look good so I dont take much out of them. Our offense is toned down during them and the QB's dont scramble in trouble which changes the whole game so I think we'll be ok come the first game. Oline and dline will def have to step it up, not much depth there especially on O bc 2nd team line got manhandled. The d struggled at times but also showed some promise, the return of Alana will be big they need him in the middle. Hopefully the injuries wont cause any playing time to be missed and everyone will be healthy come the first game. Was good to finally see some live action though, gets your blood flowing for the season!!

[lbjacj]

Here's a link to a preview of the upcoming season...

http://www.lonestargridiron.com/2011/08/07/2011-3a-wimberley-texans-preview-%e2%80%93-texas-high-school-football/

[lbjacj]

Is Trinity the man? Or is Dennis back in the mix? What's up with Wimberley? Nice town by the way!
This was in Fridays AAS...

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2011/08/12/smith_to_play_f.html?cxntfid=blogs_varsity_news

[lbjacj]

Good to hear that Dennis is back. Young man has so much talent; would hate to see it go to waste.

This is the Dennis we need to come back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G2vmFsQqqE

These highlights were from his fresh/soph years. Where did that guy go? :confused:

[1st and goal]

These highlights were from his fresh/soph years. Where did that guy go? :confused:

The article said he went to San Marcos...

[NastySlot]

More from the scrim: http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/x670928034/High-School-Football-Texans-Lobos-get-shut-out-in-three-team-scrimmage

[ogg]

Wimberley had a good scrimmage with nothing too crazy or desperate. Obviously, most have played together last year, their capabilities are well known. New right lineman #62 is a major presence.

[ogg]

More from the scrim: http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/x670928034/High-School-Football-Texans-Lobos-get-shut-out-in-three-team-scrimmage

Hopfully the o-line will improve some by the 26th.

[Tejastrue]

Hopfully the o-line will improve some by the 26th.
Really, is that the best you can do?

[trojandad]

i believe what ive said all along, even after seeing this scrimmage, the team IMO doesnt have the athletes across the board like many wimberley backers have said, but i believe they have enough good athletes, along with a coach that knows how to get the most out of those guys, and hell have them several levels deep in the playoffs.....after that is anyones guess.....but i sure didnt see worse than i thought....you guys o line isnt what carthages was, guess what? as good as ours was, it wasnt as good as carthages pass protection either....i still believe youll be there when it counts....

if anything your coach will use a bad scrimmage as a motivator for how far they have to work.....blessing in disguise.....

[ogg]

Really, is that the best you can do?

What's your point?

[gold_33]

Wimberley had a good scrimmage with nothing too crazy or desperate. Obviously, most have played together last year, their capabilities are well known. New right lineman #62 is a major presence.

Yea he's big but he wasnt impressive, could be in time and once he figures out our scheme but saw him along with others miss a lot of blocks. We dont get the line corrected we will be in trouble. Im sure Nelms will get it corrected and thats what scrimmages are for is to evaluate the talent, but this was a good wake up call to the team before the season starts.

[Sportshack]

This is the Dennis we need to come back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G2vmFsQqqE

These highlights were from his fresh/soph years. Where did that guy go? :confused:

Hey...Dennis played great in his junior year until he got hurt. He had 5 impressive games with big games against Cuero and Sealy. Just sayin.

[Tejastrue]

What's your point?

Sorry. That came across wrong. Sometimes I think out loud when I shouldn't. My thoughts were the O/L will be much better come the 26th.

[Tejastrue]

i believe what ive said all along, even after seeing this scrimmage, the team IMO doesnt have the athletes across the board like many wimberley backers have said, but i believe they have enough good athletes, along with a coach that knows how to get the most out of those guys, and hell have them several levels deep in the playoffs.....after that is anyones guess.....but i sure didnt see worse than i thought....you guys o line isnt what carthages was, guess what? as good as ours was, it wasnt as good as carthages pass protection either....i still believe youll be there when it counts....

if anything your coach will use a bad scrimmage as a motivator for how far they have to work.....blessing in disguise..... I guess it all depends on how one defines an athlete. :)

[trojandad]

I guess it all depends on how one defines an athlete. :)

just please hear, im still pro wimberley.....

some people still believe there are teams that were demolished in scrimmages last week that should be ranked higher than us....for many itll just look like we dont belong until we put ourselves there at the end of the year....

[Sportshack]

i believe what ive said all along, even after seeing this scrimmage, the team IMO doesnt have the athletes across the board like many wimberley backers have said, but i believe they have enough good athletes, along with a coach that knows how to get the most out of those guys, and hell have them several levels deep in the playoffs.....after that is anyones guess.....but i sure didnt see worse than i thought....you guys o line isnt what carthages was, guess what? as good as ours was, it wasnt as good as carthages pass protection either....i still believe youll be there when it counts....

if anything your coach will use a bad scrimmage as a motivator for how far they have to work.....blessing in disguise.....

I believe that Trojandad is making some reasonable comments. I think WHS is vunerable a bit in secondary and the O-Line will be a drop off from last year's crew that helped offense to 42 points per game avg. Hey...they are breaking in 4 new starters and still trying to figure it out. However, I do have confidence that coaching staff will be successful in getting them to gel as the season progresses. I also noted a few of veterans treating scrimmage, as it progressed, a bit like practice. A few dropped passes that would have helped offense look more crisp. Depth is an issue and when Josh Gray goes down at safety and Niko Alana is not suited up you are missing two significant pieces of puzzle. Hopefully, they will both be back soon. However, when I make these comments it should be remembered that I do think WHS has a good defensive line, a very good linebacking corp, a very good receiving corp, a very good running back corp, and a very good QB. Good season ahead.

[Sportshack]

just please hear, im still pro wimberley.....

some people still believe there are teams that were demolished in scrimmages last week that should be ranked higher than us....for many itll just look like we dont belong until we put ourselves there at the end of the year....

Is your team from last year coming back largely in tact? Why are folks doubting Coldspring. LAst year's version was very salty indeed.

[gold_33]

I believe Nelms will have them ready to go by week one, Ive seen us look bad before in scrimmages and still have stellar seasons so you cant judge the season off of them. The struggles on oline are even more evident when the QB isnt scrambling around and thats a big part of Lamberts game to improvize and make plays with his feet our buy time to find an open receiver. We ran a toned down version of our offense and didnt show many packages and I expect to see Smith and Wilson on the field at the same time during the season to keep opposing D's on their toes. Think the scrimmage was good that it showed the guys they need to work harder to get where they want to be because its not about just showing up and playing.

[Gone Fishing]

I believe Nelms will have them ready to go by week one, Ive seen us look bad before in scrimmages and still have stellar seasons so you cant judge the season off of them. The struggles on oline are even more evident when the QB isnt scrambling around and thats a big part of Lamberts game to improvize and make plays with his feet our buy time to find an open receiver. We ran a toned down version of our offense and didnt show many packages and I expect to see Smith and Wilson on the field at the same time during the season to keep opposing D's on their toes. Think the scrimmage was good that it showed the guys they need to work harder to get where they want to be because its not about just showing up and playing.


I disagree Gold. The QB does not improvise what so ever, and I would hope that it is Smith more that Wilson running the ball in our offense, just my opinion.

[trojandad]

Is your team from last year coming back largely in tact? Why are folks doubting Coldspring. LAst year's version was very salty indeed.

people doubt us for many reasons, many of which are valid....our city limits sign population is about the same size as our high school, were very small, very poor, barbay works with half the coaching staff of most schools we play....barbay has been working on stabilizing a running offense first....most people in todays game just dont want to believe that a school that primarily runs the ball can go all the way....we graduated a 2,400 yd runner from last year so looking from the outside in many feel that was our entire running attack when in reality the second back in that backfield is the one scouts drool over....we graduated 5 offenive linemen and many from the outside hear that and think their entire line is gone when, in reality, two of those men alternated plays 50% of the time with two juniors coming back this year....

remember last year? we still werent ranked in the top 10 until we played wimbo in the semis......in fact, the chronicle still had cleveland ranked above us in their regional poll up until the wimbo game, and cleveland was 2-8 and missed the playoffs (as well as losing to us by 30)....were just not a pretty school to root for...when we played you guys you had the appearance of a college team compared to us.....its just more attractive to those not keeping up with us to root for you guys, wo-s, and as well they should, you guys have such a great track record, we just dont have the funds to compete....we didnt have a full weight room until 4 yrs ago....lol....were just fortunate that barbay came from a similar small town, and is making a name for himself there as his dad did in newton.....coldspring is an outstanding place to raise kids, i raised two boys there and never once locked my doors at night...its as close to being a waltons type of place as youll find today, and i think thats the similarity with newton that barbay found, cause it sure isnt the money, hes workin for slave wages in comprison.....

we do have an undefeated jv from last year, almost exclusively freshmen, as we are such a small school we dont have the type of numbers coming out most schools on here quote as having, so we usually dont have enough bodies to field a freshman AND jv team, so our jv is almost exclusively freshmen....had 2 - 1,000 rushers on that squad as well, both freshmen....

[Gone Fishing]

I believe that Trojandad is making some reasonable comments. I think WHS is vunerable a bit in secondary and the O-Line will be a drop off from last year's crew that helped offense to 42 points per game avg. Hey...they are breaking in 4 new starters and still trying to figure it out. However, I do have confidence that coaching staff will be successful in getting them to gel as the season progresses. I also noted a few of veterans treating scrimmage, as it progressed, a bit like practice. A few dropped passes that would have helped offense look more crisp. Depth is an issue and when Josh Gray goes down at safety and Niko Alana is not suited up you are missing two significant pieces of puzzle. Hopefully, they will both be back soon. However, when I make these comments it should be remembered that I do think WHS has a good defensive line, a very good linebacking corp, a very good receiving corp, a very good running back corp, and a very good QB. Good season ahead.

Come on shack, there are 15 other guys you did not mention. Gray is good, but Niko is great. Get it?

[HSFB]

next, why are we wondering what cs will be like without gilbert?...the kid has kept his nose clean for the past 3 years while being a star on our team, hes gotten in no trouble....i havent wished smith to get in trouble again so we can "see what your team is like without him", and he does have a track record.....i want to know what wimbo is like WITH smith playing, i want to know what wimbo will be ranked WITH him, not hoping something happens to him....geez louise.....

....

Hey…eeeaassssssyy on the sensitive drama big fella. I did not make it through the whole dissertation but you sure did read quite a bit in to a simple statement.

Without a player quite simply means playing without him…..how you read anything else in to that including bringing up a high-school kids “track record” is beyond me. However, I am a compassionate man and always on the lookout to help my fellow man so I have included the definition of “without” along with some use cases for your future reference. Notice the absence of anything negative towards a young man or the mention of a kids “track record”.....so here goes....pay attention.....

Without: used as a function word to indicate the absence or lack of something or someone <fight without fear> <left without him> <looks without seeing>

Examples of WITHOUT
Do you take your coffee with or without sugar?
Don't leave home without your wallet.
Without water, there would be no life on Earth.
I can't imagine life without a car.
It happened suddenly and without warning.
Try doing the math without a calculator.
I can't see you without my glasses.

Class dismissed.....

[trojandad]

Hey…eeeaassssssyy on the sensitive drama big fella. I did not make it through the whole dissertation but you sure did read quite a bit in to a simple statement.

Without a player quite simply means playing without him…..how you read anything else in to that including bringing up a high-school kids “track record” is beyond me. However, I am a compassionate man and always on the lookout to help my fellow man so I have included the definition of “without” along with some use cases for your future reference. Notice the absence of anything negative towards a young man or the mention of a kids “track record”.....so here goes....pay attention.....

Without: used as a function word to indicate the absence or lack of something or someone <fight without fear> <left without him> <looks without seeing>

Examples of WITHOUT
Do you take your coffee with or without sugar?
Don't leave home without your wallet.
Without water, there would be no life on Earth.
I can't imagine life without a car.
It happened suddenly and without warning.
Try doing the math without a calculator.
I can't see you without my glasses.

Class dismissed.....

i got it, lets see if i can use it here correctly....

he easily gives out advice WITHOUT being self aware enough of the ridiculous nature of his own words....
if he makes ridiculous statements about a team hes going to be WITHOUT the ability to have it brought to his attention....
he seems to be the only person on the board wanting to to downgrade a team by knowing what they would be WITHOUT their best player, yet finds that a good reason to do so....

thanks, my drama filled life will be so much better now....

[HSFB]

i got it, lets see if i can use it here correctly....

he easily gives out advice WITHOUT being self aware enough of the ridiculous nature of his own words....
if he makes ridiculous statements about a team hes going to be WITHOUT the ability to have it brought to his attention....
he seems to be the only person on the board wanting to to downgrade a team by knowing what they would be WITHOUT their best player, yet finds that a good reason to do so....

thanks, my drama filled life will be so much better now....


lol......decent comeback

I have to start checking the board more often.....

[Sportshack]

Come on shack, there are 15 other guys you did not mention. Gray is good, but Niko is great. Get it?

Sorry I do not get your train of thought at all...but it appears that train has a full head of cerveza powered steam...LOL. If you want to believe that depth is not an issue...go for it. I suspect the coaches would consider both their returning senior ILB and returning senior safety from a state semi-final team as important pieces of the puzzle. Recall Gray caused fumble in scrimmage with great read and hit on swing pass that ended up being a scoop and score for WHS' only points. Knowing how to fly "down the stovepipe" and deliver a blow is a part of experience that comes in handy in a 1st scrimmage. Players getting their 1st varsity experience have a learning curve unless they are just elite level athletes. UT has a bunch of inexperienced guys working at CB this year and, therefore, the moderators label them as having depth issues in the secondary. I am sure all of UT's CB's, old and young, are very good raw athletes. Nonetheless, depth in UT secondary is raised as concern due to lack of experience. Get it?

[Tejastrue]

From reading our local paper today in regards to our last scrimmage we must have looked rather meek. Wilson as the #1 RB was a little surprising but very understandable. Will be interesting to see that tandem in the backfield once we get the O/L smoothed out. I like coach Nelms comments and perspective. My opinion is there's nothing better that could have happened to the team. To be humbled right out of the block. If they are the caliber of team they believe they are, including myself, that should be enough motivation to drastically progress as the weeks go by. We shall see. I will be surpised if we do not show significant improvement with our next scrimmage against Giddings.

[wimbo_pro]

Hey guys....hated being away so long, work calls. Am back for a few days then out of the country for 9 days or so, good to read up on the goings-on. I completely trust Coach Nelms and Coach Smith...they have proven themselves over and over. We will be fine come district, better than we think, I hope. I will keep up till I leave this coming Tuesday, and will have my daughter at the game texting me the results against Cuero (it will be 8am at kick off where I will be at the time!).

TrojanDad...give 'em hell, Cowboy! Tejastrue...you hold down the fort and cheer loud! Snaxet, cheer for me at the game. OGG...just shut up!! LOL...kidding of course!

[HSFB]

From reading our local paper today in regards to our last scrimmage we must have looked rather meek. Wilson as the #1 RB was a little surprising but very understandable. Will be interesting to see that tandem in the backfield once we get the O/L smoothed out. I like coach Nelms comments and perspective. My opinion is there's nothing better that could have happened to the team. To be humbled right out of the block. If they are the caliber of team they believe they are, including myself, that should be enough motivation to drastically progress as the weeks go by. We shall see. I will be surpised if we do not show significant improvement with our next scrimmage against Giddings.

well there could have been better execution but it was the 1st scrimmage against a couple of 4A teams who have read all the Wimberley press clippings and appeared to treat it more than just a scrimmage. However, that is to be expected as a team with as much preseason hype as Wimberley will have teams gunning for them every step of the way....expect the same type of effort from Giddings.

I would like to see Wimberley treat the Giddings scrimmage like NFL teams approach their last preseason game & that is to pull as many starters as possible after 1 or 2 series.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we do not have any more injuries.

[snaxet]

well there could have been better execution but it was the 1st scrimmage against a couple of 4A teams who have read all the Wimberley press clippings and appeared to treat it more than just a scrimmage. However, that is to be expected as a team with as much preseason hype as Wimberley will have teams gunning for them every step of the way....expect the same type of effort from Giddings.

I would like to see Wimberley treat the Giddings scrimmage like NFL teams approach their last preseason game & that is to pull as many starters as possible after 1 or 2 series.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we do not have any more injuries.

I agree that Marble Falls and Lehman looked at this scrimmage a little differently than Wimberley. Coach Nelms approaches scrimmages looking more for effort and consistent play. He is not necessarily concerned about who scored the most, although he would have probably have liked to have scored at least once. Nevertheless, Marble Falls and Lehman were certainly much improved from last year. We will get a real test tomorrow at Giddings and I would suspect that Giddings will take the same approach they did last year; which was to stunt every play. Run a lot of misdirection and seek to dominate. We have never fared well against Giddings either in a regular season game or a scrimmage. I am hopeful that we can show early improvement, rest the starters until the live quarter and then really have a strong showing. We will see but unfortunately we will have no game plan (which we shouldn't), we will not show a lot (screens or other plays) and we will probably not score more than Giddings. What we hopefully will take away is an injury free night, a little more excitement and passion of play, and certainly more effort on both sides of the ball. Looking forward to see where we are as we prepare for Cuero.

[HSFB]

Hey...Dennis played great in his junior year until he got hurt. He had 5 impressive games with big games against Cuero and Sealy. Just sayin.

agreed....and Smith's type of ability is what really captures a D Coordinators attention which helps open things up for everyone else. Due to the overall skill position talent, we could probably get through an undefeated regular season with a number of backs but when playoff crunch time rolls around it will be very important to have his presence in the backfield.

[Tejastrue]

I know it's late but can anyone confirm the time for the scrimmage tomorrow?

[snaxet]

I heard the varsity started at 7:30

[Tejastrue]

I heard the varsity started at 7:30 Thanks. That's what I thought. The only reason I asked was that our school site had it at 9:00 AM. The Giddings site is showing 7:30. I plan on making the trip and morning would be out of the question.

http://hs.wimberleyisd.net/apps/events/show_event.jsp?REC_ID=972757&id=1

[Tejastrue]

Hey guys....hated being away so long, work calls. Am back for a few days then out of the country for 9 days or so, good to read up on the goings-on. I completely trust Coach Nelms and Coach Smith...they have proven themselves over and over. We will be fine come district, better than we think, I hope. I will keep up till I leave this coming Tuesday, and will have my daughter at the game texting me the results against Cuero (it will be 8am at kick off where I will be at the time!).

TrojanDad...give 'em hell, Cowboy! Tejastrue...you hold down the fort and cheer loud! Snaxet, cheer for me at the game. OGG...just shut up!! LOL...kidding of course!

See you made it back from TeeaWhanna unscathed. LOL. Will hold down the fort. Not quite the same without an occasional Wimbo comment. I'm sure you'll make up for it in due time. :)

[wimbo_pro]

See you made it back from TeeaWhanna unscathed. LOL. Will hold down the fort. Not quite the same without an occasional Wimbo comment. I'm sure you'll make up for it in due time. :)

Yeah...kind of been missing it lately. I have been reading now and then, just not commenting. But with the season upon us, you KNOW I wont be able to keep this big mouth shut!! I might even go out and see the boys this morning for a few minutes now that I am back in town. Wont make the trip to Giddings. Gonna have a busy fall too (believe me, I hate missing games, but depositing paychecks is somewhat important too!). Gonna be a great year!!

[wimbo_pro]

OK...I am such a DUNCE!!! I go to the field to catch the boys practicing...when I was just told they have a scrimmage today in Giddings!! DUH!!! Empty field. LOLOL

[Tejastrue]

OK...I am such a DUNCE!!! I go to the field to catch the boys practicing...when I was just told they have a scrimmage today in Giddings!! DUH!!! Empty field. LOLOL

Wished you could have made the actual scrimmage, not the faux one. LOL.. We looked so much better. We still have things to work on of course but I will add they did not score on us all night and we basically shut them down in the live session while scoring 3 times. Pass protection was very good. Cudos to the defensive effort as well.

[trojandad]

From reading our local paper today in regards to our last scrimmage we must have looked rather meek. Wilson as the #1 RB was a little surprising but very understandable. Will be interesting to see that tandem in the backfield once we get the O/L smoothed out. I like coach Nelms comments and perspective. My opinion is there's nothing better that could have happened to the team. To be humbled right out of the block. If they are the caliber of team they believe they are, including myself, that should be enough motivation to drastically progress as the weeks go by. We shall see. I will be surpised if we do not show significant improvement with our next scrimmage against Giddings.

+1.....

[trojandad]

TrojanDad...give 'em hell

i was gonna call you if i needed help...really good to see you......

[Tejastrue]

Couple of new stories on the Texans from the Austin American.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/wimberley-finding-roles-for-two-powerful-running-backs-1761495.html

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/high-school-football-preseason-power-poll-no-2-1761254.html

[Tejastrue]

http://texasstatesports.com/2011/08/13/college-football-wimberley-rb-dennis-smith-update/

[1st and goal]

The Texans are the Real Deal this year. If they win district, will you guys go D1?

[wimbo_pro]

The Texans are the Real Deal this year. If they win district, will you guys go D1?

It is absolutelt 100% sure that we will go D2 no matter what happens, as long as we get in the play offs...which we will.

[Gone Fishing]

Sorry I do not get your train of thought at all...but it appears that train has a full head of cerveza powered steam...LOL. If you want to believe that depth is not an issue...go for it. I suspect the coaches would consider both their returning senior ILB and returning senior safety from a state semi-final team as important pieces of the puzzle. Recall Gray caused fumble in scrimmage with great read and hit on swing pass that ended up being a scoop and score for WHS' only points. Knowing how to fly "down the stovepipe" and deliver a blow is a part of experience that comes in handy in a 1st scrimmage. Players getting their 1st varsity experience have a learning curve unless they are just elite level athletes. UT has a bunch of inexperienced guys working at CB this year and, therefore, the moderators label them as having depth issues in the secondary. I am sure all of UT's CB's, old and young, are very good raw athletes. Nonetheless, depth in UT secondary is raised as concern due to lack of experience. Get it?

Sorry for delay response, but have been away some. You don't get it. I do believe depth is the most important and was important on 05 team that won a SC. There is at least 15, as I mentioned in my response (probably more like 20) D players that are the starting 11 or major subs that that can come in anytime for any reason and play well and that will make this team special on D. The Giddings scrimage made my point for me about our D. Alano and Gray were out. The two that were in at ILB and saftey played big games and showed Wimberley's "depth". I believe this D has many players that can be in and not have much of a let down, if any. 3A schools just don't have that very often. The O has the same "depth" in all the skill positions, just not the O- line and there lies any problem that Wimberley might have and I do say, might. They have a bunch of O-line players on the roster, just who will be the starters and subs that can come in with no to little let down. Not saying there is a problem there, time will tell. If the O-line does come to gather, Wimberley will be good enough for the SC run.
Oh, and I don't know much about UT DB's depth, but Wimberley might give them a good game.....LOL! (no cerveza just a joke!)

[trojandad]

you guys that remember '05, tell me.....was there a game(s) that luck was really on your side that night on the run? not asking to deminish the team AT ALL, i dont know that team at all, but like for us, if 'k'ville had kept passing against us in the 2nd half of our playoff game with them, we would have been toast, if we had caught you guys on any other night, we wouldnt have held you to 1 yd/carry....id even bet carthage couldnt throw 6 tds on us in 10 more tries.....in '92 we caught southlake carroll on the 1st of their 5 in a row, in 96 we played sealy to a 1 pt game on the 3rd of their streak, then last year caught carthage on the third of their run....

do you guys remember any games you just really caught all the breaks on the way to the crown?

[gold_33]

Not really, Wimberley pretty much dominated all season and and averaged about 50pts a game in the playoffs besides the state game which we were in the lead all game and won 21-7. The D that year was outstanding they gave up very few pts and caused lots of turnovers so most games we were in control all game. We may have started slow in a couple games or had a battle like the Liberty Hill game but we won every game by at least 2 scores besides Dripping Springs who scored late and was the closest game but I dont think in any of those games we caught a lucky break that made the outcome any different. It was really impressive to watch the 05 team because you just never had a doubt that they would win.

[Gone Fishing]

Not really, Wimberley pretty much dominated all season and and averaged about 50pts a game in the playoffs besides the state game which we were in the lead all game and won 21-7. The D that year was outstanding they gave up very few pts and caused lots of turnovers so most games we were in control all game. We may have started slow in a couple games or had a battle like the Liberty Hill game but we won every game by at least 2 scores besides Dripping Springs who scored late and was the closest game but I dont think in any of those games we caught a lucky break that made the outcome any different. It was really impressive to watch the 05 team because you just never had a doubt that they would win.

The only break might have been the schedule. There were some weaker teams that year and some pretty good teams were having a down year. Not taking anything away though, I am a big fan of that 05 team. They were great! I think Dripping Springs, Liberty Hill and Bandera were the only semi- close games we had in reg season. Played several really bad teams early in the playoffs, but then WOS was really really good and we actually were behind early and played great after that. (I still remember Buse out running the guy that went to UT by 7 yds in a 50 yard dash to the goal line). And the state game was dominated by us against a very good solid team. I think this years team may be as good, but I do feel the regular 10 game schedule is much tougher, so we may need one of those "get a break" games. Who knows about who you get in playoffs after that. Going undefeated will be tough, but certainly doable.

[Sportshack]

Sorry for delay response, but have been away some. You don't get it. I do believe depth is the most important and was important on 05 team that won a SC. There is at least 15, as I mentioned in my response (probably more like 20) D players that are the starting 11 or major subs that that can come in anytime for any reason and play well and that will make this team special on D. The Giddings scrimage made my point for me about our D. Alano and Gray were out. The two that were in at ILB and saftey played big games and showed Wimberley's "depth". I believe this D has many players that can be in and not have much of a let down, if any. 3A schools just don't have that very often. The O has the same "depth" in all the skill positions, just not the O- line and there lies any problem that Wimberley might have and I do say, might. They have a bunch of O-line players on the roster, just who will be the starters and subs that can come in with no to little let down. Not saying there is a problem there, time will tell. If the O-line does come to gather, Wimberley will be good enough for the SC run.
Oh, and I don't know much about UT DB's depth, but Wimberley might give them a good game.....LOL! (no cerveza just a joke!)

I sincerely hope you are 100% correct in your assessment of WHS depth. Actually, I hope WHS has one of those clean seasons from an injury perspective. I was also just joking about the cerveza. It appears you were actually drinking a big ol' glass of "Big Blue Koolaid". :stirpot:Good for you!!!! I feel that they will win a lot of games, and will definitely be in the playoff hunt. Hopefully, they will have a deep run again.

[Gone Fishing]

I sincerely hope you are 100% correct in your assessment of WHS depth. Actually, I hope WHS has one of those clean seasons from an injury perspective. I was also just joking about the cerveza. It appears you were actually drinking a big ol' glass of "Big Blue Koolaid". :stirpot:Good for you!!!! I feel that they will win a lot of games, and will definitely be in the playoff hunt. Hopefully, they will have a deep run again.

Playoff hunt? Now thats funny!! Deep and I mean deep playoff run is not even a question. Even if you don't want to agree that there are some players waiting their turn, that may be even better than who they are behind on depth chart. In a perfect world, there would be a competion at ever position when the first day of practice begins, but that just is not the way it is, and that is why some good players just never are seen correctly , or get credit for what they can do. WHS is seriously loaded by the way and that is fact!! I think they may win it all! Many great players just could not get on the field in 05 and , again thats just the way it is or (was).

[hollywood]

The next few weeks will tell where Wimberely is. Lots of confidence right now.

[HSFB]

Playoff hunt? Now thats funny!! Deep and I mean deep playoff run is not even a question. Even if you don't want to agree that there are some players waiting their turn, that may be even better than who they are behind on depth chart. In a perfect world, there would be a competion at ever position when the first day of practice begins, but that just is not the way it is, and that is why some good players just never are seen correctly , or get credit for what they can do. WHS is seriously loaded by the way and that is fact!! I think they may win it all! Many great players just could not get on the field in 05 and , again thats just the way it is or (was).

check on a playoff run, I'm with you on that but these coaches have seen these boys play for years so they know what they have. I cannot think of one position, sans the OL as I really do not have a handle on the overall capabilities of this group and the starting RB position at this time, where the better player is not playing. I'm not saying that there are not contributors waiting in the wings but I am saying, in my opinion, that the right guys are starting and they have basically had open competition since setting foot in HS and maybe before that.

[trojandad]

The next few weeks will tell where Wimberely is. Lots of confidence right now.

i think even if the next few weeks dont turn out well, you guys will still be in the hunt at the end....we looked nothing in the first three weeks of last year like we did at the end....even a monster injury to smith last year didnt knock you guys out.....id be really surprised if y'all dont have a big voice in who comes out of your region, whether your 3-0 or 1-2 to start....just my opinion....

[Gone Fishing]

i think even if the next few weeks dont turn out well, you guys will still be in the hunt at the end....we looked nothing in the first three weeks of last year like we did at the end....even a monster injury to smith last year didnt knock you guys out.....id be really surprised if y'all dont have a big voice in who comes out of your region, whether your 3-0 or 1-2 to start....just my opinion....

3 an 0, just my opinion and actually 5 an 0 or 4 an 1 going into district.

[BigGreen61]

:1popcorn: get your popcorn ready!!!!!!

[Tejastrue]

:1popcorn: get your popcorn ready!!!!!!

Think you guys can bring some of those nachos along like I had at the game there last year. Fresh nachos that is!!:)

[trojandad]

we've neverhad an undefeated season at coldspring, two losses three times.....

[Sportshack]

Playoff hunt? Now thats funny!! Deep and I mean deep playoff run is not even a question. Even if you don't want to agree that there are some players waiting their turn, that may be even better than who they are behind on depth chart. In a perfect world, there would be a competion at ever position when the first day of practice begins, but that just is not the way it is, and that is why some good players just never are seen correctly , or get credit for what they can do. WHS is seriously loaded by the way and that is fact!! I think they may win it all! Many great players just could not get on the field in 05 and , again thats just the way it is or (was).

oops...big oops...my bad...playoff hunt was a bad choice of words. I absolutely feel that WHS will go to the playoffs and will likely win district. I just ultimately differ from you on what type of talent from a depth perspective it takes to win at an elite level like regional final, semi final or SC game. No big deal. You will probably be proven right. Intersting that we do not seem to differ on the o-line assessment.

[lbjacj]

Not really, Wimberley pretty much dominated all season and and averaged about 50pts a game in the playoffs besides the state game which we were in the lead all game and won 21-7. The D that year was outstanding they gave up very few pts and caused lots of turnovers so most games we were in control all game. We may have started slow in a couple games or had a battle like the Liberty Hill game but we won every game by at least 2 scores besides Dripping Springs who scored late and was the closest game but I dont think in any of those games we caught a lucky break that made the outcome any different. It was really impressive to watch the 05 team because you just never had a doubt that they would win.

Just finished watching that game on DVD. They really were a special team!