Game 4 Mavs vs Heat

[orange machine]

All I'm saying this time is Mavs win. I don't care how they just do.

[forum_guy]

Brian cardinal. 18 minutes, 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 2 blks

U heard it here first

[eagles_victory]

This should be another barn burner.

[Phil C]

It will be close but Mavs must win or the series is decided. Unfortunately I think Heat will win it tonight.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by forum_guy
Brian cardinal. 18 minutes, 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 2 blks

U heard it here first

45 points u mean

[eagles_victory]

Why start Barea? Am I the only one who thinks Stevenson has been playing well in this series?

[bobcat4life]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
45 points u mean Did you say 63? Is he gonna match the "Overrated" MJ performance?

[bobcat4life]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Why start Barea? Am I the only one who thinks Stevenson has been playing well in this series? He is too valuable on defense to not start him

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Why start Barea? Am I the only one who thinks Stevenson has been playing well in this series?

I think the prob with Steveson is the ball dies when it gets to him on offense

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I think the prob with Steveson is the ball dies when it gets to him on offense At least he can make a shot.

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
Did you say 63? Is he gonna match the "Overrated" MJ performance?

i think he's aiming at Wilts 100

[orange machine]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Why start Barea? Am I the only one who thinks Stevenson has been playing well in this series?
I agree Stevenson needs to be playing more. He is playing good defense and he has been shooting good.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
I agree Stevenson needs to be playing more. He is playing good defense and he has been shooting good. I don't see starting Barea being the answer to anything.

[Txbroadcaster]

While Steveson has shot better in the series during the play offs he has shot 31 %...his problem is, if he makes the first one he thinks he can keep shooting

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
While Steveson has shot better in the series during the play offs he has shot 31 %...his problem is, if he makes the first one he thinks he can keep shooting Doesnt any player? If your my starting shooting guard I want you taking wide open shots and being aggressive. I would rather have the guy shooting well right now who is a better defender in over the guy who shot well earlier in the playoffs and is 5 of 23 in the finals.

[orange machine]

Only way Mavs win Dirk has to have 30+ with 10 rebounds Terry 20+ Kidd 15+ Berea 15+ Chandler + 6 and 12 rebounds Marion 15+ 8 rebounds.

Not hard at all go Mavs.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Doesnt any player? If your my starting shooting guard I want you taking wide open shots and being aggressive. I would rather have the guy shooting well right now who is a better defender in over the guy who shot well earlier in the playoffs and is 5 of 23 in the finals.

Defense has not been the big problem, for Dallas , the offense has...Dallas is trying to find that offense..not saying JJ is the answer but I understand the reasoning

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
Only way Mavs win Dirk has to have 30+ with 10 rebounds Terry 20+ Kidd 15+ Berea 15+ Chandler + 6 and 12 rebounds Marion 15+ 8 rebounds.

Not hard at all go Mavs. You're right that should be simple.

[coach]

They are starting Stevenson bc he is like -17 for the series. Also, it says that kidd and dirk pleaded for stevenson tobecome the starter in the middle of the season. Maybe Carlilse has had enough and wants to start someone else. Without Roddy B and Caron there are not really many more options. Also, look to see corey brewer to play some tonight too.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
They are starting Stevenson bc he is like -17 for the series. Also, it says that kidd and dirk pleaded for stevenson tobecome the starter in the middle of the season. Maybe Carlilse has had enough and wants to start someone else. Without Roddy B and Caron there are not really many more options. Also, look to see corey brewer to play some tonight too. Who cares what a guys +,- is when he is playing good. There are 4 other guys on the court can't read too much into plus minus in such a small sample.

As the old saying goes though it isnt who starts it is who finishes.

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Who cares what a guys +,- is when he is playing good. There are 4 other guys on the court can't read too much into plus minus in such a small sample.

As the old saying goes though it isnt who starts it is who finishes.

they had a stat when he was on the floor the mavs were getting killed and when he wasnt the mavs had a slight edge against the heat

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
they had a stat when he was on the floor the mavs were getting killed and when he wasnt the mavs had a slight edge against the heat Basically all that means in this series is he wasn't on the floor for the big comeback in game 2 if you think about it. Dallas was plus 18 for that the rest of the series is a different story.

[orange machine]

What the heck is Kidd doing 3 turnovers already.

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Basically all that means in this series is he wasn't on the floor for the big comeback in game 2 if you think about it. Dallas was plus 18 for that the rest of the series is a different story.

he also was not on the floor in game 3's mini comeback

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by orange machine
What the heck is Kidd doing 3 turnovers already.

he has been a TO machine in the finals

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
What the heck is Kidd doing 3 turnovers already. One was a momentum killer.

[orange machine]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
One was a momentum killer.
Crap put Berea in for Kidd

[BaseballUmp]

Doris Burke...she might be the worst on court/on field reporter.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
One was a momentum killer.

those type TO's are the ones Mavs fans are talking about..none of them were because of the Heat D..they were stupid decisions

[BaseballUmp]

How is this tied still?

[Txbroadcaster]

If Dallas would rebound they would be running away from the Heat

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
If Dallas would rebound they would be running away from the Heat

Exactly

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
those type TO's are the ones Mavs fans are talking about..none of them were because of the Heat D..they were stupid decisions Yea that one Lebron jumped about 11 feet to steal had nothing to do with Miami or that one he just stole.

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Yea that one Lebron jumped about 11 feet to steal had nothing to do with Miami or that one he just stole.

Because they were all terrible passes. the first you mentioned was a weak lob and the last was 2 feet behind the guy on the roll

[orange machine]

And making there shots Dallas should be up 20 to 10 right now.

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Yea that one Lebron jumped about 11 feet to steal had nothing to do with Miami or that one he just stole.

he wasnt talking about that. he was talking about kidds and brian cardianls to

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Yea that one Lebron jumped about 11 feet to steal had nothing to do with Miami or that one he just stole.

the passes were terrible..I dont care if the defender then jumped 200 feet and caught it with his butt

[Txbroadcaster]

I am sorry but I agree with Van Gundy..the flopping is terrible and ruins the game

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
the passes were terrible..I dont care if the defender then jumped 200 feet and caught it with his butt Yea sure if you only make good uncontested passes you will never turn the ball over. Lebron is the only guy in the league who steals that pass if only one guy steals it how is it a bad pass.

[Farmersfan]

How do you deal with refs that are this bad?

[turbostud]

that was a horrible call.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
How do you deal with refs that are this bad? Same way the Heat did in game 3.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Yea sure if you only make good uncontested passes you will never turn the ball over. Lebron is the only guy in the league who steals that pass if only one guy steals it how is it a bad pass.

EV..those were not good passes..James did not flash in front of a player to make a good play..all three TO's were lazy passes..If James had not caught it then it goes out of bounds still a TO

[eagles_victory]

Lebron looked like he took his talents to San Antonio on that foul on Haywood lol

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Same way the Heat did in game 3.
they were not that bad in game 3 lol dallas didnt even touch him then rick gets a tech...

[orange machine]

It's official Lebron James is a freaking baby, whine bag. If I was one of the Dallas players I would go at James and foul him as hard as could ever time he went up even if it meant knocking the crap out of him while in the air. He needs to learn a lesson if he wants to get fouled then give him a reason to get fouled. He is a disgrace to pro sports!

[Txbroadcaster]

If I am the Mavs I would be worried...Heat hang around when Dallas had some chances to land some early knock out punches

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
they were not that bad in game 3 lol dallas didnt even touch him then rick gets a tech... Marion hits me in the face and then jumps on my back in game 3 and I dont get a call so why not act a little bit Im feeling ya on that Lebron. He is still -3 on free throws from those two non calls.

[Farmersfan]

This is pathetic.......... Mavs are done.

[eagles_victory]

Take Barea out good lord.

[Farmersfan]

how does a NBA player miss layups? Seriously? That's two wide open 3's missed by Berea and two layups.

[orange machine]

Refs suck everybody but Dirk sucks Lebron needs to be banned.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
Refs suck everybody but Dirk sucks Lebron needs to be banned. Chandler just flopped ban him to lol.

[Txbroadcaster]

What got Dallas to the finals is betraying them now..JJ has had wide open shots and are missing them..again as great as the Heat D has been the Dallas O has missed more open shots this series than the other series combined

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by orange machine
It's official Lebron James is a freaking baby, whine bag. If I was one of the Dallas players I would go at James and foul him as hard as could ever time he went up even if it meant knocking the crap out of him while in the air. He needs to learn a lesson if he wants to get fouled then give him a reason to get fouled. He is a disgrace to pro sports!


so according to you bynums foul on JJ was ok then huh?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by forum_guy
so according to you bynums foul on JJ was ok then huh?

That is a random and extreme connection LOL

[eagles_victory]

Dirk has got to defensive rebound.

[Farmersfan]

I can't understand! This is essentually a elimination game for the Mavs and they have played the worst defense of the series so far in this game................... Already 10 offensive rebounds for the Heat!

[orange machine]

Originally posted by forum_guy
so according to you bynums foul on JJ was ok then huh?
What I'm saying is James couldnt hold Jordans Jock. James is a cry baby and needs to be taken out however!

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
That is a random and extreme connection LOL


haha well im a lakers fan so it came to mind pretty quick but i am neutral in this series. Would like it to go longer for more basketball to watch just dont see it happening.

[eagles_victory]

What did I say Stevenson keeping Dallas in the game.

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
What did I say Stevenson keeping Dallas in the game.

looks like a great coaching decsion in having him come off the bench

[orange machine]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
What did I say Stevenson keeping Dallas in the game.
What did we both say

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
looks like a great coaching decsion in having him come off the bench He could of been doing it the whole game instead of getting nothing from Barea.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
What did we both say You're right OM you said it too.

[coach]

atleast yall dont have a roommate who does two claps for every mavs made 2 pointer and 3 claps for every mavs 3 pointer as loud as he can....

[Txbroadcaster]

all play off long Dallas has struggled in closing out the half

[forum_guy]

i know we dont like to say the heat are unbeatable but when bosh is on his game they almost are

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
all play off long Dallas has struggled in closing out the half


Why do you suppose that is? I know you don't like the words but I say it is 100% mental and 100% effort. Same as coming out to start the second half. If the Heat don't go on a big run to start the second half it will be the first time in this series.

[orange machine]

Dirk has only 4 baskets for the half that won't get it done. Of course Dirk got raped 3 times in tge paint and the refs didn't call it.

[coach]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Why do you suppose that is? I know you don't like the words but I say it is 100% mental and 100% effort. Same as coming out to start the second half. If the Heat don't go on a big run to start the second half it will be the first time in this series.

here we go with this effort bs again...will you let it go already....they made it to the NBA Finals. I highly doubt effort is their problem.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Why do you suppose that is? I know you don't like the words but I say it is 100% mental and 100% effort. Same as coming out to start the second half. If the Heat don't go on a big run to start the second half it will be the first time in this series.

Yes FF ur right Dallas decides not to try to end the half..Carlise tells them hey guys dont try just go the corner and whimper :rolleyes:

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by orange machine
Dirk has only 4 baskets for the half that won't get it done. Of course Dirk got raped 3 times in tge paint and the refs didn't call it. Did they show the dicks coming out on tv?

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Did they show the dicks coming out on tv?

the had it black barred

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/design/10420726/type/png/width/130/height/130

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Did they show the dicks coming out on tv?

i didnt think they could show that kinda stuff on national tv

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by coach
here we go with this effort bs again...will you let it go already....they made it to the NBA Finals. I highly doubt effort is their problem.



Let me introduce you to the X in the top right corner. If you guys don't like it simply click on the X and all your woes will be gone. Otherwise deal with the fact that you don't know near as much as you think you do. Consistently getting outplayed to start the second half is NOTHING but a lack of effort. Everything is about effort. EVERYTHING!

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
i didnt think they could show that kinda stuff on national tv It doesnt show dick going in and thats a problem for me.

[Phil C]

Unfortunately I am right. The Heat are going to take it. Dallas can't take any control in the first half.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Yes FF ur right Dallas decides not to try to end the half..Carlise tells them hey guys dont try just go the corner and whimper :rolleyes:


Now you are acting like forum guy by taken these ridiculous jumps in logic. If it's not a lack of effort then what is it? Come on smart guy! How come the Mavs get outplayed so badly to end the half and to start the second half in every game?

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Now you are acting like forum guy by taken these ridiculous jumps in logic. If it's not a lack of effort then what is it? Come on smart guy! How come the Mavs get outplayed so badly to end the half and to start the second half in every game?

The Heat are better

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Now you are acting like forum guy by taken these ridiculous jumps in logic. If it's not a lack of effort then what is it? Come on smart guy! How come the Mavs get outplayed so badly to end the half and to start the second half in every game?

LACK OF EXECUTION

[Txbroadcaster]

So Dirk has a torn tendon..102 degree fever and the team on his back

[forum_guy]

do u guys ever get the feeling no matter what the mavs do the heat are going to match it because they are the better team

[eagles_victory]

Damn Wade that is just a stupid shot unreal making that.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by forum_guy
do u guys ever get the feeling no matter what the mavs do the heat are going to match it because they are the better team

I kind of feel that way both ways Forum..every time the Heat go on a 12-2 run, Dallas always comes back and Vice Versa

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
So Dirk has a torn tendon..102 degree fever and the team on his back

I heard he took a slug to the chest after the game Sunday night in the parking lot too

[orange machine]

Originally posted by forum_guy
do u guys ever get the feeling no matter what the mavs do the heat are going to match it because they are the better team
I look at more that the Heat while good are very overrated they should be destroying Dallas.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
I heard he took a slug to the chest after the game Sunday night in the parking lot too

and he was mad a foul was not called either

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by orange machine
I look at more that the Heat while good are very overrated they should be destroying Dallas.

You sound like every fan from the school playing Brownwood last season...we see how that ended

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
I heard he took a slug to the chest after the game Sunday night in the parking lot too

along with the one to the temple?

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
along with the one to the temple?

I think a Jason Kidd arid pass knocked that one off course

[eagles_victory]

Im about to put my foot up Lebrons arse

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by forum_guy
do u guys ever get the feeling no matter what the mavs do the heat are going to match it because they are the better team

+1

[orange machine]

Mavs take one step forward and 2 back.

[eagles_victory]

No 2 other guys in the league complete that alley oop play.

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
No 2 other guys in the league complete that alley oop play.

what are you talking about? any two players on the Mavs bench could do it

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
No 2 other guys in the league complete that alley oop play.

Cardinal and JJ could ALL DAY :D

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
No 2 other guys in the league complete that alley oop play.

dwight howard could have caught that

[orange machine]

Mavs screwed themselves early they have had so many chances in this game to throw tge knock out punch but turn the ball over or do something stupid. Heat beat the Mavs in game 3 but the Mavs have beat the Mavs tonight.

[eagles_victory]

You have to realize how great of a pass that was.

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
No 2 other guys in the league complete that alley oop play.

No but I bet Dude Perfect probably could and would do it even bigger

[Txbroadcaster]

Say it again..as good as the Heat D is, Dallas is missing some wide open looks

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Say it again..as good as the Heat D is, Dallas is missing some wide open looks

and some of the layups they missed early are killers

[orange machine]

This is disgusting the Mavs have flat fallin apart.

[orange machine]

Cuban better go find Dirk some help during the off season cause Dirk looks gassed.

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by orange machine
Mavs screwed themselves early they have had so many chances in this game to throw tge knock out punch but turn the ball over or do something stupid. Heat beat the Mavs in game 3 but the Mavs have beat the Mavs tonight.


knockout punch? lol

They haven't had a double digit lead all series. There is no knockout punch

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by orange machine
Cuban better go find Dirk some help during the off season cause Dirk looks gassed.

he has a 102 fever

[eagles_victory]

JET

[orange machine]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
he has a 102 fever
I know but he needs help Terry is gonna have to be Jordan the remainder of this game.

[big daddy russ]

Terry's been playing well tonight, picking up some of the slack from Dirk. Been more decisive than the rest of the series. Nice movement with and without the ball that last play, weaving through teammates to lose LBJ and then pass him up on the way to the hoop.

[Phil C]

Dallas is trying but they aren't going to catch them. :(

[BaseballUmp]

People...it's a 3 point game.

[forum_guy]

and your finals mvp dwayne wade. WOW

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by forum_guy
and your finals mvp dwayne wade. WOW

the Miami defense had nothing to do with Wade's blocked shot:D

[forum_guy]

lol here we go

[forum_guy]

this has game 2 ending written all over it for the heat

[BaseballUmp]

Phil C, your post count is almost 22,222 FYI

[eagles_victory]

2nd worse game Ive ever seen Lebron play behind Boston game 5

[Phil C]

Dallas is ahead but a stupid foul was just done. They are going to blow it.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
2nd worse game Ive ever seen Lebron play behind Boston game 5
He tends to get caught in the air with the ball from time to time. Tonight it's been nonstop.

[BaseballUmp]

It's like they are playing not to lose instead of to win

[eagles_victory]

This is so freaking frustrating.

[Phil C]

Dallas is going to blow it. Two open shots missed.

[Farmersfan]

Just 1 shot out of these last 5 WIDE OPEN misses and the Mavs ice this game. Damn it!

[big daddy russ]

Stevenson was having a great game.

Until that.

[Phil C]

Dallas must get these two points or they will lose. The shot clock is about 6 seconds difference.

[eagles_victory]

I dont care what they say this has been terrible basketball.

[Farmersfan]

Who gets the last shot? Dirk is sick! All the rest are missing everything they shoot at. Who gets it?

[TheDOCTORdre]

Heat choke in games like these at the end

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Who gets the last shot? Dirk is sick! All the rest are missing everything they shoot at. Who gets it?
Right now, JET.

[forum_guy]

i dont think dirk should go one on one. Might as well drive and kick it and hope terry or someone else can make it

[Txbroadcaster]

WOW Dirk

[coach]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Right now, JET.

wrong, dirk!

[Phil C]

Dallas gets the three point lead but may have left too much time on the clock at about 16 seconds.

[coach]

Originally posted by forum_guy
i dont think dirk should go one on one. Might as well drive and kick it and hope terry or someone else can make it

wrong again

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by coach
wrong, dirk!
If I was playing with him in the shape he's in, I wouldn't trust him.

[forum_guy]

ha damn nice dirk

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
If I was playing with him in the shape he's in, I wouldn't trust him.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[eagles_victory]

Lebron is about to get killed in the media and he deserves every bit of it

[Farmersfan]

Now Dallas better double Wade............

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
If I was playing with him in the shape he's in, I wouldn't trust him.

I would...trust your studs no matter what

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Dammit, just realized I'm behind y'all by a few munites on my DVR.

[Phil C]

Dallas up by one with 9 seconds. No doubt a foul coming and they better make them both.

[Phil C]

Dallas up by three with about 6 seconds left. They better watch the three pointers or OT.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I would...trust your studs no matter what
Ha, I'm a Spurs fan. We just trust the guy with the ball, whether it's Timmy or Bruce Bowen.

[TheDOCTORdre]

wade cracked under pressure

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Lebron is about to get killed in the media and he deserves every bit of it


Kind of like half the Mavs scorers in the first 3 games?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by forum_guy
do u guys ever get the feeling no matter what the mavs do the heat are going to match it because they are the better team

Will say it again.the Heat have to feel like everytime they are about to knock Dallas out the Mavs respond

[coach]

and that my friends is a choke job

[big daddy russ]

Ugly game, but a fun one.

[BaseballUmp]

OM you are not allowed to comment any on this thread

[eagles_victory]

Never been more embarassed in my life to say I am a fan of a team than I am right now

[Phil C]

Dallas wins and are tie the series up! I knew they could do it!

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Never been more embarassed in my life to say I am a fan of a team than I am right now

Not even this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zr4qgSail0

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Never been more embarassed in my life to say I am a fan of a team than I am right now

you can always jump back on the mavs bandwagon

[eagles_victory]

Lebron James take 100 percent of the blame for that loss.

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Lebron James take 100 percent of the blame for that loss.

he left his talents in south beach

[orange machine]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
OM you are not allowed to comment any on this thread
Why not

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Lebron James take 100 percent of the blame for that loss.


Jet clanks every shot and you claim it's the D! JJ clanks layups and according to you it's the Heat D! Peja can't hit the broad side of the barn and it's all about the D for Miami. Why is it not the Mavs D that shut down Lebron? Just asking.

[eagles_victory]

For the first time I feel like the Mavericks have a 50 50 chance to win this series.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Jet clanks every shot and you claim it's the D! JJ clanks layups and according to you it's the Heat D! Peja can't hit the broad side of the barn and it's all about the D for Miami. Why is it not the Mavs D that shut down Lebron? Just asking. The Mavericks played great defense Ill give them that they have played great defense all series but from a Miami standpoint Lebron James is the biggest problem and it wasnt all offense.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Jet clanks every shot and you claim it's the D! JJ clanks layups and according to you it's the Heat D! Peja can't hit the broad side of the barn and it's all about the D for Miami. Why is it not the Mavs D that shut down Lebron? Just asking.
Some of it definitely was. Stevenson had a fantastic game.

But it was as much LBJ as it was DeShawn.

[Phil C]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
For the first time I feel like the Mavericks have a 50 50 chance to win this series.

I think it depends on Game 5 eagles. They must not go to Miami for the final two games behind 2-3. If they can go in at 3-2 they have a slim chance. The

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by orange machine
Why not

Because by the Mavs winning, it disproves every post you made.

[Txbroadcaster]

This is the 2nd closest NBA finals in history right now

[DDBooger]

I don't like either team, but it's the first finals I've enjoyed in a while.

[forum_guy]

as a neutral fan in this series, yay we get an added game of basketball :clap:

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by DDBooger
I don't like either team, but it's the first finals I've enjoyed in a while.


it is ugly but also exciting lol

BTW 2nd time Dirk has the winner in the finals this year

[orange machine]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
Because by the Mavs winning, it disproves every post you made.
Hey man I don't mind being wrong with an out come like this so. These last second wins are killer.

[coach]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
it is ugly but also exciting lol

BTW 2nd time Dirk has the winner in the finals this year

he beat them left and he beat them right

[eagles_victory]

If I am the Mavericks I am feeling really good about this series right now.

[3afan]

way to go MAVS

everyone in this area is pulling for Dallas, the Heat are despised ... of course these fans have been suffering with the Wizards so long they've lost perspective

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by forum_guy
as a neutral fan in this series, yay we get an added game of basketball :clap:


LOL! You are the LEAST neutral fan on this site these days.

[forum_guy]

not true, i like like dirk and wade alot. I dislike lebron but do respect his game. With that being said, damn what a game for him. That is really unbelievable. 8 pts? lol

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
For the first time I feel like the Mavericks have a 50 50 chance to win this series.

Several of us here have been telling you that these teams are very close.

Miami is starting to have some of the issues that plagued them all season. Someone made the point on the post game that sometimes it takes teams more than one year to gel when they add new parts. Miami is still trying to figure out how to close games.

And I also said that if these games are close and come down to the final possesion or two, Dallas has a significant advantage with Carlisle. No one seems to be talking about how Spoelstra is being significantly out coached in this series. The moves Carlisle made in the 4th were brilliant.

Miami may still win this thing, but I think everyone is starting to realize that Miami is beatable and these teams are very close.

And can we please stop with the Lebron is MJ talk?

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Several of us here have been telling you that these teams are very close.

Miami is starting to have some of the issues that plagued them all season. Someone made the point on the post game that sometimes it takes teams more than one year to gel when they add new parts. Miami is still trying to figure out how to close games.

And I also said that if these games are close and come down to the final possesion or two, Dallas has a significant advantage with Carlisle. No one seems to be talking about how Spoelstra is being significantly out coached in this series. The moves Carlisle made in the 4th were brilliant.

Miami may still win this thing, but I think everyone is starting to realize that Miami is beatable and these teams are very close.

And can we please stop with the Lebron is MJ talk?


yeah i think i heard heard stat that miami is 8-17 in games decided by 5 pts or fewer or something along those lines.

And i agree about Lebron. Is it just me or is Wade closer in similarity to Jordan than LJ

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy


And i agree about Lebron. Is it just me or is Wade closer in similarity to Jordan than LJ

No doubt.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by forum_guy
yeah i think i heard heard stat that miami is 8-17 in games decided by 5 pts or fewer or something along those lines.

And i agree about Lebron. Is it just me or is Wade closer in similarity to Jordan than LJ
Styles of play, definitely. Nobody's ever played the game like LeBron. Closest I can come is maybe a Bernard King/Shawn Kemp/Magic Johnson love child.

[icu812]

and the Emmy for outstanding single performance by a supporting actor goes to.....

http://i54.tinypic.com/219xycx.jpg

Maybe next year Manu G. :D

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by forum_guy
Is it just me or is Wade closer in similarity to Jordan than LJ



Yes

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by icu812
and the Emmy for outstanding single performance by a supporting actor goes to.....

http://i54.tinypic.com/219xycx.jpg

Maybe next year Manu G. :D





The saddest part about that call is the Ref was right next to Miller on that play. He saw exactly what we see in this video. Should that ref ever work another NBA game?

[MGAR]

The game should have been called off the Dirk being sick and James was an emotional mess after he found out Pryor quit the O$U program.

[Phil C]

Originally posted by MGAR
The game should have been called off the Dirk being sick and James was an emotional mess after he found out Pryor quit the O$U program.

:D Good one MGAR! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
The saddest part about that call is the Ref was right next to Miller on that play. He saw exactly what we see in this video. Should that ref ever work another NBA game?

Nope.

Here's the thing. I know the game moves fast and they are humans. Mistakes are going to be made.

However, they watch film and get feedback on each game they do. They also know that Wade especially has a reputation of exagerating (that's putting it nicely). It HAS to be a point of emphasis that these guys can not anticipate calls. My father was a basketball ref for 20+ years and he doesn't like the NBA game because he says the officials to way too much anticipation. He always said you have to call what you see; you can't make a call based on you anticipating what is going to happen.

I frankly see this as a major flaw in the NBA and it seems to be getting worse instead of better.

Even Van Gundy made the comment last night that it's becoming detrimental to the game.

[MGAR]

A lot of NBA players exaggerate.

Much like soccer.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by MGAR
A lot of NBA players exaggerate.

Much like soccer.

I've heard this on several fronts that it's getting worse than it has ever been.

And the nothing is like soccer! I've even heard someone say that the NBA is heading the way of soccer and that is not good.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Nope.

Here's the thing. I know the game moves fast and they are humans. Mistakes are going to be made.

However, they watch film and get feedback on each game they do. They also know that Wade especially has a reputation of exagerating (that's putting it nicely). It HAS to be a point of emphasis that these guys can not anticipate calls. My father was a basketball ref for 20+ years and he doesn't like the NBA game because he says the officials to way too much anticipation. He always said you have to call what you see; you can't make a call based on you anticipating what is going to happen.

I frankly see this as a major flaw in the NBA and it seems to be getting worse instead of better.

Even Van Gundy made the comment last night that it's becoming detrimental to the game.




Wouldn't it make sense for the league to review film and issue fines to NBA players who "intentionally" exaggerate to this extent? And why wouldn't the NBA fine, penalize or down grade a ref for missing such obvious calls? Just curious.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Wouldn't it make sense for the league to review film and issue fines to NBA players who "intentionally" exaggerate to this extent? And why wouldn't the NBA fine, penalize or down grade a ref for missing such obvious calls? Just curious.

If they don't want it to go the way of soccer, they may need to take significant steps.

I would not have an issue with either of these.

[Txbroadcaster]

Almost every league in soccer have rules in place where floppers will get carded and it has really cut down on the fall down untouched

[Farmersfan]

Exaggerating contact is one thing. If Shaq is going to be allowed to pound the defender in the chest until he drives the defender backwards so he can dunk the ball then there is nothing the defender can do except try to draw a Offensive foul with a flop. If D. Wade can dribble around the key and drive the ball into the lane and jump from the freethrow line and hit a defender in the chest and get the foul call then flops will be the only other recourse. I personally believe the lane should belong to the defense and the NBA should get rid of the illegal defense rule and if a offensive player is the one that causes the contact then it's either a offensive foul or a no-call foul. The current rules are enforced so randomly it isn't even logical. The "FAKE" contact on Bron that was called a foul would have been less contact even if it were actual contact than what Dirk got from Haslem or Anthony every single time he drives the basket. Wade got hammered last night way, way harder than what Lebron faked and Lebron got the call when Wade didn't. It's enforced so sporadically even the players never know.

[Macarthur]

Yeah, it's a tough thing. As I said in my earlier post, my father was a basketball official for more than 20 years and I played a lot of basketball.

I was always taught, and it was generally officiated this way, that the defender is entitled to 'his space'. If the offensive player initiates the contact, it's either a no call or offensive foul. I really hate the deal in the NBA of leaning your shoulder into the defender and then falling back to shoot. That's called in the offensive players favor almost exclusively. I think it's bad for the game.

[icu812]

Great article on another coaching adjustment made by the Mavs in game four. Putting Chandler in the pick & roll instead of Dirk.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/08/dallas-game-4-adjustment-keeping-dirk-out-of-the-pick-and-roll/

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by icu812
Great article on another coaching adjustment made by the Mavs in game four. Putting Chandler in the pick & roll instead of Dirk.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/08/dallas-game-4-adjustment-keeping-dirk-out-of-the-pick-and-roll/




I have recently wondered what the league's thinking was about some of the actions on a pick & roll play. The defense normally tries to have the opponsite side defender step out in front of the dribbler to trap them or stop their momentum around the end. I get that. but many, many times I see that defender step up and basically hip check the dribbler as he dribbles by. All teams do it. JJ Berea has been almost knocked off his feet by a 7footer who is stepping up and body checking him as he dribbles around the pick & roll. Seems to me ANY contact on this play is a foul unless the defender can get position first which is rarely the case. A lot of the time the defender even reaches out with his hands and just pushes the dribbler as he runs by. Watch Dirk on many of the pick & rolls he tries to defend. I guess hand contact to slow'em down is as good as anything if it isn't called. Any thoughts?

[icu812]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I have recently wondered what the league's thinking was about some of the actions on a pick & roll play. The defense normally tries to have the opponsite side defender step out in front of the dribbler to trap them or stop their momentum around the end. I get that. but many, many times I see that defender step up and basically hip check the dribbler as he dribbles by. All teams do it. JJ Berea has been almost knocked off his feet by a 7footer who is stepping up and body checking him as he dribbles around the pick & roll. Seems to me ANY contact on this play is a foul unless the defender can get position first which is rarely the case. A lot of the time the defender even reaches out with his hands and just pushes the dribbler as he runs by. Watch Dirk on many of the pick & rolls he tries to defend. I guess hand contact to slow'em down is as good as anything if it isn't called. Any thoughts?

No different than how defenders play in the post. They are allowed one hand on the player and they can put their body on them as well. If they hold or knock the offensive player back they typically call a foul. Not sure what the rule book says though.

[eagles_victory]

Also watch the screens in this series Tyson Chandler and Udonis Haslem set illegal screens so often they both would be fouled outin 10 minutes if they called them. On Dirks 3 to put the Mavs up in game 2 Chandler had both arms out like a lineman basically blocking. Then in game 3 on Boshs shot that won the game Haslem would of been called for holding in the NFL for what he did to Dirk.

[MGAR]

They call illegal screens as much as they call traveling.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by MGAR
They call illegal screens as much as they call traveling. They have called a few travels lately.