Opening Day!!! How will the Rangers fare this year?

[GrTigers6]

Can they repeat as American league champions or will it be back to the Norm?

[GrTigers6]

I think only time will tell but I do think they have the personel to repeat and even win it all. but it will depend on how they play together and strong their pitching is.

[Farmersfan]

They could actually end up this season with the exact record they had last season and not even make the playoffs. Last year's success was more due to the decline of the A's and Angels. The key will be how well they do in the head-to-head games against those teams.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
They could actually end up this season with the exact record they had last season and not even make the playoffs. Last year's success was more due to the decline of the A's and Angels. The key will be how well they do in the head-to-head games against those teams.

The A's improved last year not declined

[crzyjournalist03]

Well, I'm just hoping to avoid a worse-case scenario where everything goes against them.

Like can you imagine if they lost their starting catcher today and he never played for them again, and then their top two starters didn't even factor in for them after June 1st and they lose their All-Star second baseman and two All-Star outfielders for a month each and they have to replace their closer next week because the guy who they thought would be the closer suddenly implodes?

On second thought, maybe the worst-case scenario isn't so bad after all...

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Well, I'm just hoping to avoid a worse-case scenario where everything goes against them.

Like can you imagine if they lost their starting catcher today and he never played for them again, and then their top two starters didn't even factor in for them after June 1st and they lose their All-Star second baseman and two All-Star outfielders for a month each and they have to replace their closer next week because the guy who they thought would be the closer suddenly implodes?

On second thought, maybe the worst-case scenario isn't so bad after all...

I do think they take a small step back...Just like Detroit and Tampa Bay the Rangers got to the WS a year or two before they probably should have..those two teams since then have been in the hunt but not real factors..

I think they will compete for the West all season long but the pitching will do them in this year

Speaking of pitching..we have heard for the last 2-3 years about all the young pitching Texas has..well it is time for it to start helping the big club, just seems there is a group of them that has yet to make the jump

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I do think they take a small step back...Just like Detroit and Tampa Bay the Rangers got to the WS a year or two before they probably should have..those two teams since then have been in the hunt but not real factors..

I think they will compete for the West all season long but the pitching will do them in this year

Speaking of pitching..we have heard for the last 2-3 years about all the young pitching Texas has..well it is time for it to start helping the big club, just seems there is a group of them that has yet to make the jump

I'd really like to see them take a flyer on Doug Davis; they were at his workout last week and he seems to be ready to pitch. Sure, he's no stud, but he's the type of guy that every rotation needs. He can eat up some innings with an average ERA. He won't lose you a ton of games, but he can keep you in them. I really think that moving Ogando to the rotation was a mistake.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
The A's improved last year not declined



You are correct TXB. It was the Angels and Mariners that dropped way off.


Angles finished 2010 16 game behind their 09' record and 19 games behind their 08' record. The Mariners finished 2010 24 games behind their 09' record. If these teams struggle like this again the Rangers could repeat as division winners.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
You are correct TXB. It was the Angels and Mariners that dropped way off.


Angles finished 2010 16 game behind their 09' record and 19 games behind their 08' record. The Mariners finished 2010 24 games behind their 09' record. If these teams struggle like this again the Rangers could repeat as division winners.

I think it is way to simple to say well the Rangers only won the west because the Angels and Mariners declined...It is not like the Rangers won the division with a 81-81 record..they won 90 games and finished 9 games ahead of 2nd place.

they won the division because of an amazing June( 21-6) and winning records in 3 other months..and then the months they struggled they never tanked April (11-12) and August (13-15)

[Txbroadcaster]

I tell u the one thing tha sucks...It will never be as exciting and new as last year. Even if Rangers advance as far this year or next the feelings wont quite be the same. A level of expecting will have been created

[BreckTxLonghorn]

Hope springs eternal. Go Rangers.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I think it is way to simple to say well the Rangers only won the west because the Angels and Mariners declined...It is not like the Rangers won the division with a 81-81 record..they won 90 games and finished 9 games ahead of 2nd place.

they won the division because of an amazing June( 21-6) and winning records in 3 other months..and then the months they struggled they never tanked April (11-12) and August (13-15)




How can you say they won the division because of an amazing June when the entire season ended with only 3 more wins? Those 3 additional wins don't earn them a playoff spot in most seasons in this division.

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card.

Division Wildcard

2010: 82 96
2009: 97 96
2008: 101 96
2007: 95 95
2006: 94 96
2005: 96 96
2004: 93 99
2003: 97 96
2002: 104 94
2001: 117 86

(I did not allow for tie breakers because the Rangers rarely win the season series with the A's, Mariners or Angles)

How often would the Rangers 2010 90 wins have won them the division or the Wild Card?

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
How can you say they won the division because of an amazing June when the entire season ended with only 3 more wins? Those 3 additional wins don't earn them a playoff spot in most seasons in this division.

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card.

Division Wildcard

2010: 82 96
2009: 97 96
2008: 101 96
2007: 95 95
2006: 94 96
2005: 96 96
2004: 93 99
2003: 97 96
2002: 104 94
2001: 117 86

(I did not allow for tie breakers because the Rangers rarely win the season series with the A's, Mariners or Angles)

How often would the Rangers 2010 90 wins have won them the division or the Wild Card?

Farmersfan, pretty good research there, I'll admit.

My only counterargument to that is if the Rangers won 90 games in any given year, I believe that it would be safe to assume that their increase in wins would result in a decrease from other teams, especially those within the division since that is where a large portion of the schedule comes from. The division winner in any of those given years wouldn't have won so many games had the Rangers won more, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg discussion.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Farmersfan, pretty good research there, I'll admit.

My only counterargument to that is if the Rangers won 90 games in any given year, I believe that it would be safe to assume that their increase in wins would result in a decrease from other teams, especially those within the division since that is where a large portion of the schedule comes from. The division winner in any of those given years wouldn't have won so many games had the Rangers won more, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg discussion. my thoughts exactly, The decline of the other division teams were partly due to the ramgers winning more of those head to head games

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Rangers 8 Boston 4

[DUKE22]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
Rangers 8 Boston 4 LOL I dont think so, I dont how the Rangers will fare this year but I doubt Jon Lester is giving up 8 runs.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
How can you say they won the division because of an amazing June when the entire season ended with only 3 more wins? Those 3 additional wins don't earn them a playoff spot in most seasons in this division.

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card.

Division Wildcard

2010: 82 96
2009: 97 96
2008: 101 96
2007: 95 95
2006: 94 96
2005: 96 96
2004: 93 99
2003: 97 96
2002: 104 94
2001: 117 86

(I did not allow for tie breakers because the Rangers rarely win the season series with the A's, Mariners or Angles)

How often would the Rangers 2010 90 wins have won them the division or the Wild Card?

U just manipulated the numbers to your liking..you say in 2010 it took 82 games to win the division( which is right)..but then after you go up to what the first place team did...if your going to do that it took 91 games last year to win division, not 82...but the correct way it to take the 2nd place team and go one games from there
So lets go by actual games it took to win the division

2010 82
2009 88
2008 80
2007 89
2006 90
2005 89
2004 92
2003 94
2002 100 ( one of the best years by this division since 79)

[big daddy russ]

I like the Rangers this year. I think they'll win the West, but think they'll miss two players a ton and won't make it back to the WS.

I'll start off with what I see as the bad.

Everyone knows they'll miss Cliff Lee. It's no secret at one guy makes a huge difference in a rotation. Suddenly, they're relying on Matt Harrison for 180 innings.

But the guy that I actually think they'll miss more than they realize is Vladi. That man connects with everything when there's a runner on. Nice guy to have following up the heart of the lineup.

On those notes, the defense has been upgraded with the addition of Beltre. He has a history of inconsistency with his bat, so I don't expect a repeat of last year's performance. But if he can manage to get on base at a .330 clip (he has decent speed for a big guy and it looks like Michael Young is betting behind him) and get a bat on the ball when runners are on, they'll have a contributor. We already know he's got plenty of pop. He's always a threat for 25 homers and 30 doubles.

Julio Borbon's development is also a key. He's had a great spring and could be a "second leadoff" type of guy in the nine-hole.

Furthermore, Nelly Cruz and Ian Kinsler appear to be healthy. If they can make it to 500 AB, that'll help make up for some of Vladi's production.

So:
-IF Beltre can split the difference in production his last two seasons,
-IF Nelly and Kinsler, along with Hamilton, stay healthy for 150 games,
-IF Borbon can continue his development and become this year's Austin Jackson,
-and IF Colby Lewis and CJ Wilson solidify themselves as legit top-of-the-rotation pitchers,

...the Rangers will make plenty of noise. I think another trip to the series, however, depends on the bottom of their pitching rotation.



On that note, don't sleep on the A's. Nice mix of speed, defense, pop (people overlook Willingham and Matsui as guys who can move runners), and a good, young rotation. I really like Trevor Cahill, and it's nice to have a kid like Gio Gonzalez at the bottom of the rotation.

[waterboy]

There's no doubt the Athletics have the best rotation in the division. I wish the Rangers could have that same kind of scouting for pitching. It seems that every year the A's have a new pitcher step into the rotation that is consistently good. I hope the Rangers can have a consistently low ERA from the starters. The offense looks to have taken a step in the right direction. For me, the pitching is the biggest question mark.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
U just manipulated the numbers to your liking..you say in 2010 it took 82 games to win the division( which is right)..but then after you go up to what the first place team did...if your going to do that it took 91 games last year to win division, not 82...but the correct way it to take the 2nd place team and go one games from there
So lets go by actual games it took to win the division

2010 82
2009 88
2008 80
2007 89
2006 90
2005 89
2004 92
2003 94
2002 100 ( one of the best years by this division since 79)

LOL...now I feel dumb for not verifying those numbers.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Farmersfan, pretty good research there, I'll admit.

My only counterargument to that is if the Rangers won 90 games in any given year, I believe that it would be safe to assume that their increase in wins would result in a decrease from other teams, especially those within the division since that is where a large portion of the schedule comes from. The division winner in any of those given years wouldn't have won so many games had the Rangers won more, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg discussion.



Good point crzyjournalist03. but I did consider this. The divisional record for the Rangers hasn't changed much in several years.


Ranger record vs. own division:

2010: +4
2009: +3
2008: +3

2010:=angels-11-11, A's-10-10, Mariners-13-9
2009:=angels-11-8, A's-8-11, Mariners-11-8
2008:=angels-7-12, A's-12-7, Mariners-11-8

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
U just manipulated the numbers to your liking..you say in 2010 it took 82 games to win the division( which is right)..but then after you go up to what the first place team did...if your going to do that it took 91 games last year to win division, not 82...but the correct way it to take the 2nd place team and go one games from there
So lets go by actual games it took to win the division

2010 82
2009 88
2008 80
2007 89
2006 90
2005 89
2004 92
2003 94
2002 100 ( one of the best years by this division since 79)


How do the Rangers win the division in 2009 with 88 wins when the Angels had 96 wins? How do they win the division in 2008 with 80 wins when the Angles won 97 games? I wasn't posting what it took for ANY team to win the division. I posted what it took for the RANGERS to beat their divisional opponents and to win the division. That was what we were discussing wasn't it?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
LOL...now I feel dumb for not verifying those numbers.



Don't let him misquide you czy...............

The numbers I posted are correct.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
Rangers 8 Boston 4


Originally posted by DUKE22
LOL I dont think so, I dont how the Rangers will fare this year but I doubt Jon Lester is giving up 8 runs.

:thinking:

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
U just manipulated the numbers to your liking..you say in 2010 it took 82 games to win the division( which is right)..but then after you go up to what the first place team did...if your going to do that it took 91 games last year to win division, not 82...but the correct way it to take the 2nd place team and go one games from there
So lets go by actual games it took to win the division

2010 82
2009 88
2008 80
2007 89
2006 90
2005 89
2004 92
2003 94
2002 100 ( one of the best years by this division since 79)



What happened TXB? Did you get tired of the subject or did you finally realize you were running a losing race? :D

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
What happened TXB? Did you get tired of the subject or did you finally realize you were running a losing race? :D


actually I just read this about 10 mins ago

my point was this

because THIS is what you said

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card

in 09 it did not take the Angels winning 97 games to win the division..it took them winning at least 89 games.

[DUKE22]

Originally posted by DUKE22
LOL I dont think so, I dont how the Rangers will fare this year but I doubt Jon Lester is giving up 8 runs. Ok I will eat a little crow, shows what I know, and that rhymes. Rangers hit like it was the middle of July WOW. As a sox fan I am not worried though.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
actually I just read this about 10 mins ago

my point was this

because THIS is what you said

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card

in 09 it did not take the Angels winning 97 games to win the division..it took them winning at least 89 games.




And you accuse me of manipulating. Nice! :D
I thought we were discussing the Rangers. Perhaps you could explain to me how the Rangers could win the division with those numbers you posted?
The Rangers won the division by default!

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
And you accuse me of manipulating. Nice! :D
I thought we were discussing the Rangers. Perhaps you could explain to me how the Rangers could win the division with those numbers you posted?
The Rangers won the division by default! The Rangers won the division because they had more wins than the rest of the division. The reason the rest of the division had less is because the rangers beat them more than usual. Its that simple

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
The Rangers won the division because they had more wins than the rest of the division. The reason the rest of the division had less is because the rangers beat them more than usual. Its that simple








Ranger record vs. own division:

2010: +4
2009: +3
2008: +3

2010:=angels-11-11, A's-10-10, Mariners-13-9
2009:=angels-11-8, A's-8-11, Mariners-11-8
2008:=angels-7-12, A's-12-7, Mariners-11-8

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Ranger record vs. own division:

2010: +4
2009: +3
2008: +3

2010:=angels-11-11, A's-10-10, Mariners-13-9
2009:=angels-11-8, A's-8-11, Mariners-11-8
2008:=angels-7-12, A's-12-7, Mariners-11-8 I dont see your point?:thinking:

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
I dont see your point?:thinking:




You said the Rangers beat the division more than usual. I showed you that they had the exact same record against the division last season that they have had for many years. The Angels were down like 24 games from previous seasons and the Mariners were down a lot from previous seasons. It was shown that the Rangers had a good season (for the Rangers) with 90 wins last year but those 90 wins don't even make the playoffs in 9 of the past 10 seasons! It's a lot like the Cowboys winning their division and making the playoffs with a 8-8 record. It's good but let's keep it in perspective.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
And you accuse me of manipulating. Nice! :D
I thought we were discussing the Rangers. Perhaps you could explain to me how the Rangers could win the division with those numbers you posted?
The Rangers won the division by default!


how am I manipulating? You did not say in the comment I pasted from u The Rangers would have needed 97 games to win division in 09 you said

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
You said the Rangers beat the division more than usual. I showed you that they had the exact same record against the division last season that they have had for many years. The Angels were down like 24 games from previous seasons and the Mariners were down a lot from previous seasons. It was shown that the Rangers had a good season (for the Rangers) with 90 wins last year but those 90 wins don't even make the playoffs in 9 of the past 10 seasons! It's a lot like the Cowboys winning their division and making the playoffs with a 8-8 record. It's good but let's keep it in perspective. But how many of those games in september would have been different if washington wasnt resting players because of the huge division lead?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
how am I manipulating? You did not say in the comment I pasted from u The Rangers would have needed 97 games to win division in 09 you said

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card.



This has got to be the most retarded conversation we have ever had TXB. How many wins would it have taken for the RANGERS to win the division every season in the past decade? Not based on imagination or ands, ifs or buts. We have the actual finished records of all teams in the division.

Follow the bouncing ball:

09'?
08'?
07'?
06'?
05'?
04'?
03'?
02'?
01'?
00'?

In which seasons would the Rangers win the division with 90 wins?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
But how many of those games in september would have been different if washington wasnt resting players because of the huge division lead?




And how many of the Angels and Mariners games from the previous decade might have been different if they had not rested players because of the lead? What nonsense is this?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
This has got to be the most retarded conversation we have ever had TXB. How many wins would it have taken for the RANGERS to win the division every season in the past decade? Not based on imagination or ands, ifs or buts. We have the actual finished records of all teams in the division.

Follow the bouncing ball:

09'?
08'?
07'?
06'?
05'?
04'?
03'?
02'?
01'?
00'?

In which seasons would the Rangers win the division with 90 wins?


This all started because u make it sound like the Rangers won the division with a bad record and were just lucky. All I said was it was not THAT down

Rangers would have won the division with 82 wins..in 09 the Angels would have won it with 88 wins( 6 game difference)

in 08 the Angels would have won with 80 wins( and every other team was under .500)

so the 2010 division was no worse or better than recent times, it was actually about the same..one good team in texas one ok team with Oakland and two bad teams

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
This all started because u make it sound like the Rangers won the division with a bad record and were just lucky. All I said was it was not THAT down

Rangers would have won the division with 82 wins..in 09 the Angels would have won it with 88 wins( 6 game difference)

in 08 the Angels would have won with 80 wins( and every other team was under .500)

so the 2010 division was no worse or better than recent times, it was actually about the same..one good team in texas one ok team with Oakland and two bad teams




Only 7 times in the past 41 seasons has this division been won by a team with 90 or less wins. (5 of those times with 90 exactly)(minus two strike shortened seasons).
Yes, I would say the Rangers were lucky the other divisional teams were down or they don't sniff the playoffs last season. In order to consistently compete in this division the Rangers will need to win 94+ games. You can spin that any way you want to but it doesn't change the facts.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
. In order to consistently compete in this division the Rangers will need to win 94+ games. You can spin that any way you want to but it doesn't change the facts.

I dont disagree at all but 94 wins is not OMG so far from 90 ur basically talking about 1 more win in 4 months.

I would agree 100% with you if the Rangers would have finished with 84 wins and won the division or had been whipped in first round

you still have to look at what the 2nd place team did to get a true guage of how many wins it takes..in 08 the Angels won 100 games...but the 2nd place team was Texas with 79 wins..so while ONE team in the division was great everyone else was bad

in 07 the Angels win it with 94..but only one other team out four had a winning record

this division is not where it was in early 00's and The Angels took advantage of that in 07-08 and 09 and the proof is they never got out of first round

[waterboy]

It doesn't matter how they got there. All that matters is the Rangers are the defending American League Champions. Stats say this and stats say that, but the truth of the matter is is doesn't matter....it's what they do when they make the playoffs that tells the story.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I dont disagree at all but 94 wins is not OMG so far from 90 ur basically talking about 1 more win in 4 months.



And yet the Rangers have done it once in 30+ seasons in this division.



[i]you still have to look at what the 2nd place team did to get a true guage of how many wins it takes..in 08 the Angels won 100 games...but the 2nd place team was Texas with 79 wins..so while ONE team in the division was great everyone else was bad[/B]


Why were the Angels able to win the division in 08' with just 80 wins? It was because the rest of the division sucked. But for the Rangers to win the division in 08' you can't simply say "now the Angels also sucked"! The Rangers would have had to beat the Angels 100 wins to win that division in 08'. Every single season at least one team in this division wins at least 94 games. (never the Rangers). If the Rangers cannot win 94 games then the Angels will win the division some, the Mariners will win the division some and the A's will win it the rest of the time. At least that is how it has gone since Jesus walked the planet.....



[i]this division is not where it was in early 00's and The Angels took advantage of that in 07-08 and 09 and the proof is they never got out of first round [/B]


And still the Rangers would have had to beat their 94, 100 and 97 win totals to win the division.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan




Why were the Angels able to win the division in 08' with just 80 wins? It was because the rest of the division sucked. But for the Rangers to win the division in 08' you can't simply say "now the Angels also sucked"! .....





.

and you cant say well if the Rangers would have won 95 games the Angels would still have won the same amount they did

[Txbroadcaster]

And honestly I still dont understand the point FF..The Rangers got to the WS, that validated the season.

With what you post about the Cowboys, Mavs and Rangers I am learning..ur one of those fans that ALWAYS views your team in the worst light possible...and I know your going to claim I only view positive, but I really dont..if one of the teams I support has an issue I will say it, but I have yet to see you post one positive post about any of the teams you "support"

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
and you cant say well if the Rangers would have won 95 games the Angels would still have won the same amount they did



Well based on history what head-to-head record would you expect a 95 win Rangers team to have against a 100 win Angels team? In 10' a 90 win Rangers team had a 10-9 record against a 80 win Angels team.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Well based on history what head-to-head record would you expect a 95 win Rangers team to have against a 100 win Angels team? In 10' a 90 win Rangers team had a 10-9 record against a 80 win Angels team. Thats because vlad was there!:D

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
And honestly I still dont understand the point FF..The Rangers got to the WS, that validated the season.

With what you post about the Cowboys, Mavs and Rangers I am learning..ur one of those fans that ALWAYS views your team in the worst light possible...and I know your going to claim I only view positive, but I really dont..if one of the teams I support has an issue I will say it, but I have yet to see you post one positive post about any of the teams you "support"





You want positive, suck on the + side of a car battery TXB! I am posting FACTS! :D :D :D

You can deal in fantasies and fairy dust if you want. I chose to examine the truth and try to devise a way to keep the Rangers at the top for a while rather than just having success every decade or so when the normally dominating teams in the division have a off year. And I never signed a contract which required me to "Support" a team in the manner you deem appropriate. I EXPECT success from the team I follow. I never support mediocrity from a athlete or a team. Any athlete! Any team! I deal ecspecially rough on athletes who in my opinion don't live up to the hype or up to their capability. And since, in my opinion, I'm the ONLY one smart enough make that decision then I often conflict with you and a few others. ;) ;)

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
. I never support mediocrity from a athlete or a team.

So getting to a WS is mediocrity?

I am sorry bur you full of pure crap and pretend your not. Your a fan who will be negative until your team wins and then says oh yea I knew all along they would do it.

[waterboy]

Bingo!:clap: :D

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
So getting to a WS is mediocrity?

I am sorry bur you full of pure crap and pretend your not. Your a fan who will be negative until your team wins and then says oh yea I knew all along they would do it.




Should we all join hands and sing Kumbaya? Maybe after the singalong we can play Barbie Dream Date and get to go out with that dream boat Ken? Gee Weez Mr. Broadcaster I'm sure a heck fire happy I have you around to keep things just hunky dory! I sure don't want those nasty negatives getting into my thoughts! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



Ranger mediocrity:

WS titles in 50 year history: ZERO
WS appearances in 50 year history: ONE(2010)
AL Titles in 50 year history: ONE (2010)
AL West Titles in 50 year history: FOUR
Wild Card Berths into the playoffs: ZERO
Seasons with more than 90 wins in 50 year history: ONE

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Should we all join hands and sing Kumbaya? Maybe after the singalong we can play Barbie Dream Date and get to go out with that dream boat Ken? Gee Weez Mr. Broadcaster I'm sure a heck fire happy I have you around to keep things just hunky dory! I sure don't want those nasty negatives getting into my thoughts! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



Ranger mediocrity:

WS titles in 50 year history: ZERO
WS appearances in 50 year history: ONE(2010)
AL Titles in 50 year history: ONE (2010)
AL West Titles in 50 year history: FOUR
Wild Card Berths into the playoffs: ZERO
Seasons with more than 90 wins in 50 year history: ONE
Times Farmersfan actually has a point: Priceless!!! :D :D
Sorry couldnt resist!:evilgrin:

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan



Ranger mediocrity:

WS titles in 50 year history: ZERO
WS appearances in 50 year history: ONE(2010)
AL Titles in 50 year history: ONE (2010)
AL West Titles in 50 year history: FOUR
Wild Card Berths into the playoffs: ZERO
Seasons with more than 90 wins in 50 year history: ONE


not really seeing the point of posting this..everyone who is a Ranger fan knows the sad sack history of the Rangers..2010 was an amazing season that ended where no Ranger fan thought it would...and what do you do as a supposed Ranger fan? You pull down your pants and try to crap on it by saying oh but but they were lucky because they only won 90 games

Again...u dont enjoy the journey of sports, all you care about is winning titles and that makes me wonder if you played sports( not saying you did not, just makes me wonder)

Someone who played sports past little league understands that 9 times out of 10 you dont win the final game and while winning is great and we all want our teams to do it, enjoying the sport for what it is can be just as important.

So I will enjoy the Rangers making their first WS and hope like hell they make many more.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
not really seeing the point of posting this..everyone who is a Ranger fan knows the sad sack history of the Rangers..2010 was an amazing season that ended where no Ranger fan thought it would...and what do you do as a supposed Ranger fan? You pull down your pants and try to crap on it by saying oh but but they were lucky because they only won 90 games

Again...u dont enjoy the journey of sports, all you care about is winning titles and that makes me wonder if you played sports( not saying you did not, just makes me wonder)

Someone who played sports past little league understands that 9 times out of 10 you dont win the final game and while winning is great and we all want our teams to do it, enjoying the sport for what it is can be just as important.

So I will enjoy the Rangers making their first WS and hope like hell they make many more.





I think what you are REALLY sayin' is everyone is suppose to enjoy their sports like YOU DO. Perhaps I find it interesting to examine the numbers and analyize the stats. Perhaps I consider a go lucky, positive, everybody kissy face attitude is for girls in the 3rd grade. Just maybe I get my kicks off of examining why the Rangers aren't likely to repeat or what they need to do to better their chances than to sit around in my undies in front of the VCR with scented hand lotion and tissues while watching last years World Series. You do realize that it was LAST YEAR don't you? Whatever the reason, it is my perrogative to support or deal with my team in the manner that I deem appropriate. Just as it is your perrogative to use the "NEGATIVE" card everytime you get backed into a corner with FACTS and can't force your opinion on everyone else. I posted nothing that wasn't 100% true yet you consider it negative so in your mind i'm not a real fan?

And it also tells me a ton about you that you consider only people that think like you could have been athletes! Might I recommend you get over yourself just little? ;) ;)

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I think what you are REALLY sayin' is everyone is suppose to enjoy their sports like YOU DO. Perhaps I find it interesting to examine the numbers and analyize the stats. Perhaps I consider a go lucky, positive, everybody kissy face attitude is for girls in the 3rd grade. Just maybe I get my kicks off of examining why the Rangers aren't likely to repeat or what they need to do to better their chances than to sit around in my undies in front of the VCR with scented hand lotion and tissues while watching last years World Series. You do realize that it was LAST YEAR don't you? Whatever the reason, it is my perrogative to support or deal with my team in the manner that I deem appropriate. Just as it is your perrogative to use the "NEGATIVE" card everytime you get backed into a corner with FACTS and can't force your opinion on everyone else. I posted nothing that wasn't 100% true yet you consider it negative so in your mind i'm not a real fan?

And it also tells me a ton about you that you consider only people that think like you could have been athletes! Might I recommend you get over yourself just little? ;) ;)


might I recommend you for once debate a topic without resorting to snide comments and acting like a 5 year old with the damn name calling.

I even said I wondered if you played and even said I was not saying you did not.

But you cant do that, you every time turn anything we are debating into name calling and I will never understand why

And what FACTS did you back me into a corner with?!?!? crap you say I need to get over myself..I have many times said in our debates hey you made a great point or I agree with you..you cant do that once you run out of facts you go the immature route

and I never said anyone has to enjoy the sport like I do, I simply stated the type of fan I THINK you are..not even said that was a bad thing, I think it is fine if you want to be that way. but my point remains

IMO your the type of fan that can never just enjoy the success of your teams.

So once again you knock what you percieve as my style of being a fan..I dont knock yours and if you think I did please show me where I did

[GrTigers6]

The Rangers last year were a very young team on their way up. Yes they hit their stride at the right time and made it to the world series, But that just proves they can do it. This year they are a young team with enthusiasm and a will to win. That being said can be enough to repeat their performance last year and improve. They have a very high powered offense thus far and if their pitching stays anywhere close to what is has been thru three games then I dont see any reason why they cant make it back and win it all. Until I see stats that prove otherwise than that is what I will believe, no matter how much someone tries to disprove it with win loss records, which makes no since.
The packers made the playoffs and won the superbowl with a 10-6 record. Does that mean they dont deserve to be super owl champions?
They won the championship, thats all that matters, how they got there has no bearing.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
might I recommend you for once debate a topic without resorting to snide comments and acting like a 5 year old with the damn name calling.

I even said I wondered if you played and even said I was not saying you did not.

But you cant do that, you every time turn anything we are debating into name calling and I will never understand why

And what FACTS did you back me into a corner with?!?!? crap you say I need to get over myself..I have many times said in our debates hey you made a great point or I agree with you..you cant do that once you run out of facts you go the immature route

and I never said anyone has to enjoy the sport like I do, I simply stated the type of fan I THINK you are..not even said that was a bad thing, I think it is fine if you want to be that way. but my point remains

IMO your the type of fan that can never just enjoy the success of your teams.

So once again you knock what you percieve as my style of being a fan..I dont knock yours and if you think I did please show me where I did




Sorry TXB. You started it. (As usual) You couldn't dent my logic so you attacked my motivation. Don't try to turn it on me. You frequently blame me for attacking you. Re-read the thread.

This was your first personal attack:


[i]"With what you post about the Cowboys, Mavs and Rangers I am learning..ur one of those fans that ALWAYS views your team in the worst light possible...and I know your going to claim I only view positive, but I really dont..if one of the teams I support has an issue I will say it, but I have yet to see you post one positive post about any of the teams you "support" [/B]



Here is your second personal attack:



Originally posted by Txbroadcaster

I am sorry bur you full of pure crap and pretend your not. Your a fan who will be negative until your team wins and then says oh yea I knew all along they would do it.


Here is your third personal attack:


Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Again...u dont enjoy the journey of sports, all you care about is winning titles and that makes me wonder if you played sports( not saying you did not, just makes me wonder)

Someone who played sports past little league understands that 9 times out of 10 you dont win the final game and while winning is great and we all want our teams to do it, enjoying the sport for what it is can be just as important.




All three were posted as a derrogatory slam on me. I can deal with it but then you turn it around and blast me for attacking you! That couldn't be further from the truth TXB. You can't for one second admit that I posted pages and pages and pages of FACTS to back up my opinion and yours is based on maybe's and what-ifs. Because you can't back up your opinion you resorted to attacking my motivation and my "Real Fan" status. When that didn't work you even commented that my attitude had to be the result of not ever being a athlete. That can only be interpreted as you assuming all athletes think the way you do because you can't understand how someone who actually did play the game could think like me. Perhaps the problem is in WHAT YOU KNOWrather than with HOW I THINK? Maybe?

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Sorry TXB. You started it. (As usual) You couldn't dent my logic so you attacked my motivation. Don't try to turn it on me. You frequently blame me for attacking you. Re-read the thread.

This was your first personal attack:





Here is your second personal attack:





Here is your third personal attack:





All three were posted as a derrogatory slam on me. I can deal with it but then you turn it around and blast me for attacking you! That couldn't be further from the truth TXB. You can't for one second admit that I posted pages and pages and pages of FACTS to back up my opinion and yours is based on maybe's and what-ifs. Because you can't back up your opinion you resorted to attacking my motivation and my "Real Fan" status. When that didn't work you even commented that my attitude had to be the result of not ever being a athlete. That can only be interpreted as you assuming all athletes think the way you do because you can't understand how someone who actually did play the game could think like me. Perhaps the problem is in WHAT YOU KNOWrather than with HOW I THINK? Maybe? I think you make good points...truth be told, you're just a Debbie Downer. A glass is half empty, guy. Nothing wrong with that, people just get irritated by you (and those type of people) as you can tell with everyone's slam against you. I could care less and love the banter. :D

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Sorry TXB. You started it. (As usual) You couldn't dent my logic so you attacked my motivation. Don't try to turn it on me. You frequently blame me for attacking you. Re-read the thread.

This was your first personal attack:





Here is your second personal attack:





Here is your third personal attack:





All three were posted as a derrogatory slam on me. I can deal with it but then you turn it around and blast me for attacking you! That couldn't be further from the truth TXB. You can't for one second admit that I posted pages and pages and pages of FACTS to back up my opinion and yours is based on maybe's and what-ifs. Because you can't back up your opinion you resorted to attacking my motivation and my "Real Fan" status. When that didn't work you even commented that my attitude had to be the result of not ever being a athlete. That can only be interpreted as you assuming all athletes think the way you do because you can't understand how someone who actually did play the game could think like me. Perhaps the problem is in WHAT YOU KNOWrather than with HOW I THINK? Maybe?


u call those attacks? wow..

uhh I never said you were not a real fan, I gave my opinion on what kind a fan I think you are in terms of how you view your teams and even said I AM NOT KNOCKING IT.

and once again..I NEVER EVER EVER SAID YOU DID NOT PLAY SPORTS..I WONDERED and ONCE AGAIN EVEN SAID IN THAT ORIGINAL POST I AM NOT SAYING YOU DID NOT

not real sure the what ifs you say I kept giving.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
The Rangers last year were a very young team on their way up. Yes they hit their stride at the right time and made it to the world series, But that just proves they can do it. This year they are a young team with enthusiasm and a will to win. That being said can be enough to repeat their performance last year and improve. They have a very high powered offense thus far and if their pitching stays anywhere close to what is has been thru three games then I dont see any reason why they cant make it back and win it all. Until I see stats that prove otherwise than that is what I will believe, no matter how much someone tries to disprove it with win loss records, which makes no since.
The packers made the playoffs and won the superbowl with a 10-6 record. Does that mean they dont deserve to be super owl champions?
They won the championship, thats all that matters, how they got there has no bearing.




A agree. The Rangers have started off in great style and are playing very tough right now. IF they continue on this tract they will likly win more than they did last season. I have never knocked what they did last season except to point out that most seasons they would need to be even better to just make the playoffs. They made the most of their opportunities last season and we are all proud. but this a new season. Logic will tell us that this season they will have to contend with a better division and they don't have Cliff Lee. That by itself is tough to overcome.


If the Bears, Vikings or Lions won 12 or more games a season for 40 seasons but all three sucked last season to allow the Packers to get to the playoffs with 10 wins then it would be similar. Otherwise it's not the same situation.

[Txbroadcaster]

and btw..my Dad is a " Debbie Downer" fan as Boog said and is proud of it and we enjoy the banter between him and I because he is the type that when the Rangers beat the Rays he was yea great and all but the Yanks will roll them...when the Rangers were a game away from the WS he was like well they will find away to blow the lead.

so for the 3rd time..I am not knocking it, I just think that is the type of fan u are, and if you feel that is an attack on you then I apologize because it was not the intent nor can I read anywhere in that post any attack

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
I think you make good points...truth be told, you're just a Debbie Downer. A glass is half empty, guy. Nothing wrong with that, people just get irritated by you (and those type of people) as you can tell with everyone's slam against you. I could care less and love the banter. :D





You could be right TXB. Or maybe I'm just more of a realist? Maybe I am not able to simply set aside logic and go with "Blind Faith" like so many other do. Perhaps I can't simply go with the flow and accept the status quo. I weigh the Pros and Cons (as I see them) and formulate my opinion based on that. But also understand that I'm only a Debbie Downer because you happen to disagree with me. Out of everything we have ever discussed, Negativity is probably the most subjective of them all. One man's negative comment is another mans insightful comment.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
You could be right TXB. Or maybe I'm just more of a realist? Maybe I am not able to simply set aside logic and go with "Blind Faith" like so many other do. Perhaps I can't simply go with the flow and accept the status quo. I weigh the Pros and Cons (as I see them) and formulate my opinion based on that. But also understand that I'm only a Debbie Downer because you happen to disagree with me. Out of everything we have ever discussed, Negativity is probably the most subjective of them all. One man's negative comment is another mans insightful comment.


uhh I did not say that..DDBooger did

but I have to ask..please show me one post in all of our debates where I used blind faith?

[ccmom]

FF has posted in the past that he is not even really a baseball fan. I am starting to believe he is only a fan of his own blah, blah, blah and would argue with a fence post, as long as he could use random internet stats and quotes to back up his theory.

Yawnnnnn.....:rolleyes:

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
and btw..my Dad is a " Debbie Downer" fan as Boog said and is proud of it and we enjoy the banter between him and I because he is the type that when the Rangers beat the Rays he was yea great and all but the Yanks will roll them...when the Rangers were a game away from the WS he was like well they will find away to blow the lead.

so for the 3rd time..I am not knocking it, I just think that is the type of fan u are, and if you feel that is an attack on you then I apologize because it was not the intent nor can I read anywhere in that post any attack




LOL TXB! You remind me of someone who uses the N word and then tries to explain how it isn't a racist comment. You used the term "Negative" many, many times in such a way as to create a derogatory implication. If you are attempting to counter a point someone else makes by calling them negative or a "Debbie Downer" then you are in truth "Knocking it". If you doubt, try writing a compliment using the word Negative as a description of someone. :D :D

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
LOL TXB! You remind me of someone who uses the N word and then tries to explain how it isn't a racist comment.

wow..just friggin wow

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
A agree. The Rangers have started off in great style and are playing very tough right now. IF they continue on this tract they will likly win more than they did last season. I have never knocked what they did last season except to point out that most seasons they would need to be even better to just make the playoffs. They made the most of their opportunities last season and we are all proud. but this a new season. Logic will tell us that this season they will have to contend with a better division and they don't have Cliff Lee. That by itself is tough to overcome.


If the Bears, Vikings or Lions won 12 or more games a season for 40 seasons but all three sucked last season to allow the Packers to get to the playoffs with 10 wins then it would be similar. Otherwise it's not the same situation. They were all mediocre last yesar with the exception of the lions for obvious reasons. But the bears only beat the packers by one game. ALl i am saying is you do what you have to to make the playoffs and then go from there

[Big Papa]

i feel as if this is one of those arguments where both people end up crying and holding each other at the end?


2010: 82 (2nd) 96 2010 82 (2nd)
2009: 97(1st) 96 2009 88 (2nd)
2008: 101 (1st) 96 2008 80 (2nd)
2007: 95 (1st) 95 2007 89 (2nd)
2006: 94 (1st) 96 2006 90 (2nd)
2005: 96(1st) 96 2005 89 (2nd)
2004: 93 (1st) 99 2004 92 (2nd)
2003: 97 (1st) 96 2003 94 (2nd)
2002: 104(1st) 94 2002 100 (one of the best years by this division since 79)

also i didnt know if you (farmersfan) understood why txb was disputing these numbers lol

[waterboy]

Heck, I'm a half-full kind of guy.:thumbsup: Some people make a habit of being anal about everything. All I care about is:

Rangers WIN! Again!

Rangers 7
Mariners 3

The Rangers are off to a 6-0 start!:clap:

[GrTigers6]

Dang its already over?
Did CJ start?

[95mustang]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
Dang its already over?
Did CJ start?

Yes it is over and yes CJ started. Mariners took an early lead by scoring first then it was all over.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by 95mustang
Yes it is over and yes CJ started. Mariners took an early lead by scoring first then it was all over. How did he do? Quality start?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
How did he do? Quality start?

yep and a win..and Beltre showed why they signed him, he is a true BEAST with the glove at 3B. proves Rangers were right to take Young off 3B

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Big Papa
i feel as if this is one of those arguments where both people end up crying and holding each other at the end?


2010: 82 (2nd) 96 2010 82 (2nd)
2009: 97(1st) 96 2009 88 (2nd)
2008: 101 (1st) 96 2008 80 (2nd)
2007: 95 (1st) 95 2007 89 (2nd)
2006: 94 (1st) 96 2006 90 (2nd)
2005: 96(1st) 96 2005 89 (2nd)
2004: 93 (1st) 99 2004 92 (2nd)
2003: 97 (1st) 96 2003 94 (2nd)
2002: 104(1st) 94 2002 100 (one of the best years by this division since 79)

also i didnt know if you (farmersfan) understood why txb was disputing these numbers lol



Yea I understood completely Big Papa. And he was 100% correct when he stated the number of wins it took for the actual winner to win the division each year. But it wasn't applicable to this discussion. This discussion was about what it would take for the RANGERS to win the division and how often in the past 40 seasons that 90 wins would accomplish that. The Angels only needed 88 wins to beat the Rangers, Mariners and A's in 09'. but the Rangers, Mariners and A's would have needed 96 wins to beat the Angels in 09'. I don't understand how that is so hard to understand. Perhaps it's just me. I know it irritates some people but I enjoy the debates. Sorry to all.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
. But it wasn't applicable to this discussion. This discussion was about what it would take for the RANGERS to win the division

But u did not say that..you said this right here

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card


and that has been my point of contention..u stated the Rangers needed to win only 82 games last year to win the division( again which is right)..but then said for the Rangers to win the division in 09 they needed 97 wins..you took two different things and combined them without clarification

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
But u did not say that..you said this right here

Here is how many wins it took to win the division the past decade and what it took to win the Wild Card


and that has been my point of contention..u stated the Rangers needed to win only 82 games last year to win the division( again which is right)..but then said for the Rangers to win the division in 09 they needed 97 wins..you took two different things and combined them without clarification






In any season that the Rangers did not win the division they would have to BEAT the team that did win it in order to win the division for themselves. I didn't see a need to post how many wins they needed to beat themselves........ But I guess I will from now on.


As for your quote: You took a single sentence out of 4 pages of conversation and used it to attempt to cancel out everything previously stated and everything stated afterwards. You even disregarded the immediate next sentence in the same comment.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
In any season that the Rangers did not win the division they would have to BEAT the team that did win it in order to win the division for themselves. I didn't see a need to post how many wins they needed to beat themselves........ But I guess I will from now on.


As for your quote: You took a single sentence out of 4 pages of conversation and used it to attempt to cancel out everything previously stated and everything stated afterwards. You even disregarded the immediate next sentence in the same comment.


I did not disregard it was two statements that were not in agreement. There is a difference in saying how many wins it take to win a division and how many wins it takes for a certain team to win a division

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
and you cant say well if the Rangers would have won 95 games the Angels would still have won the same amount they did :thumbsup:


Cant compare seasons and say Rangers of last year wouldnt had won the division from years past. Rangers of last year could of won more or less, who knows and we wont ever know. Just enjoy the fact the Rangers are American league champions and get a chance to defend it this year.