Guns on College Campuses

[BaseballUmp]

May soon happen

http://www.kmil.com/story.php?id=14087

[Yoe_09]

I could definitely see this as a good thing for campuses in Waco. Not so much for here in Belton.

[Blastoderm55]

As someone who works on a college campus, I can't say I'm thrilled with this idea. Then again, the ones I think we have to fear are those who would obtain and carry the weapons illegally. I still do not like the idea of vigilante justice. There's a reason even banks do not allow people aside from law enforcement to entire with a firearm. Those who would be a hero most often would turn a holdup into a murder.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Yoe_09
I could definitely see this as a good thing for campuses in Waco. Not so much for here in Belton.

What's wrong with Belton? or why not in Belton?

[Yoe_09]

Originally posted by garciap77
What's wrong with Belton? or why not in Belton?

I was speaking more on the city. Waco always has one of the highest crime rates in the nation I believe while Belton is relatively low. And of course Baylor is a much larger university while UMHB is much smaller tight knit campus.

[3afan]

bad idea

[bobcat1]

I see both sides but I have always said if everyone carried it could be a deterrent to the cowards that attack unarmed people. Maybe they would get one or two but it wouldn't be 10 or 20 before they got took out. Just my opinion.

[BaseballUmp]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I see both sides but I have always said if everyone carried it could be a deterrent to the cowards that attack unarmed people. Maybe they would get one or two but it wouldn't be 10 or 20 before they got took out. Just my opinion.

Then the campus is riddled with bullet shells and who shot who comes in to play.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
Then the campus is riddled with bullet shells and who shot who comes in to play. Or we could just sit idly by while an idiot picks 20-30 people off randomly for 20 or 30 minutes waiting on the cops. :rolleyes:

[coach]

I bet Schools like Va Tech is thrilled....this is so stupid...

[Daddy D 11]

I'm an avid gun owner. I even want to get my concealed carry license.. but I think this is an absolutely awful idea.

[DavidWooderson]

I think it is a bad idea.......professors, ok, but students.....no way.

It may be civilized for a while, but all it takes is one accidental fire and everyone would be drawing and the shooting would begin.

[jason]

i manage dozens of computer labs and classrooms at a Texas university and i don't think i would like knowing that half of the cowboys coming in and out of them are carrying guns...

[BEAST]

Originally posted by DavidWooderson
I think it is a bad idea.......professors, ok, but students.....no way.

It may be civilized for a while, but all it takes is one accidental fire and everyone would be drawing and the shooting would begin.


Professors? Most Profs are so damn liberal they are probably afraid to touch a gun. After all, guns kill people.




BEAST

[Daddy D 11]

Some idiot in class the other day argued with me about this and my argument in summary was this: How many days are we in school here at Baylor? How many classes a day are on THIS college campus? Okay, now... how many universities are there in this country? And finally, how many shootings do we see each year?


The reason we see such few shootings on college campuses is because GUNS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE CAMPUSES. Opening the door to concealed carry just allows for people that are uneducated about firearms and uneducated about when to use them in public. And don't argue with me that it is hard to get a concealed carry license. Because it's a damn joke. Also, once we okay concealed licenses how do we know that everyone carrying a gun on campus actually has a concealed carry license? Are we just supposed to assume and hope they do?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Some idiot in class the other day argued with me about this and my argument in summary was this: How many days are we in school here at Baylor? How many classes a day are on THIS college campus? Okay, now... how many universities are there in this country? And finally, how many shootings do we see each year?


The reason we see such few shootings on college campuses is because GUNS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE CAMPUSES. Opening the door to concealed carry just allows for people that are uneducated about firearms and uneducated about when to use them in public. And don't argue with me that it is hard to get a concealed carry license. Because it's a damn joke. Also, once we okay concealed licenses how do we know that everyone carrying a gun on campus actually has a concealed carry license? Are we just supposed to assume and hope they do? At least the criminals would not be the only ones carrying then right? I bet some Moms and Dads would have liked for their kids to have had a fighting chance. It's hard to stop a crazed gunman with your textbook.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by bobcat1
At least the criminals would not be the only ones carrying then right? I bet some Moms and Dads would have liked for their kids to have had a fighting chance. It's hard to stop a crazed gunman with your textbook. yeah, in the perfect scenario. Law Enforcement has changed how they handle "active shooters" they no longer secure but pursue to the sound of fire. They no longer ask for ID or to relinquish the weapon. They shoot on sight. Students will be killed by the gunman and very likely by officers as well. This is about a gun culture not safety.

[Trashman]

Let the shoesting begin.........

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by garciap77
What's wrong with Belton? or why not in Belton? Belton isn't Temple

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by 3afan
bad idea

+1

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by DDBooger
yeah, in the perfect scenario. Law Enforcement has changed how they handle "active shooters" they no longer secure but pursue to the sound of fire. They no longer ask for ID or to relinquish the weapon. They shoot on sight. Students will be killed by the gunman and very likely by officers as well. This is about a gun culture not safety. I guess maybe some think they can still talk their way out of a situation like Va. Tech. Me, I like my chances with a like weapon better.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
+1

+2

Very bad idea.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I guess maybe some think they can still talk their way out of a situation like Va. Tech. Me, I like my chances with a like weapon better.

I like my chances better if not every fearful and/or overwrought person on campus is carrying a gun. It is bad enough having to worry about the occasional crazy SOB that feels shooting people he doesn't know somehow solves his problem.

You can't fix crazy, but I still like my odds better.

[bobcat1]

If someone was shooting people in a place you were at you would think "Man I am glad I don't have a gun too" or would you think "Man I wish I had a 357 magnum right now"?

[BEAST]

Originally posted by bobcat1
If someone was shooting people in a place you were at you would think "Man I am glad I don't have a gun too" or would you think "Man I wish I had a 357 magnum right now"?


Exactly. I like my chances with my 357 anyday.




BEAST

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by bobcat1
If someone was shooting people in a place you were at you would think "Man I am glad I don't have a gun too" or would you think "Man I wish I had a 357 magnum right now"?

Not being an expert marksman, I might shoot the wrong person, heck, I might accidently shoot 3 or 4 innocent people while I am violently shaking and just before I start to throw up.

I would probably be thinking "man oh man, I am so glad that woman over in the corner crying histerically doesn't have a gun right now and where the heck is a pistol packing bandito when you need him."

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
Not being an expert marksman, I might shoot the wrong person, heck, I might accidently shoot 3 or 4 innocent people while I am violently shaking and just before I start to throw up.

I would probably be thinking "man oh man, I am so glad that woman over in the corner crying histerically doesn't have a gun right now and where the heck is a pistol packing bandito when you need him." Or maybe you would be glad I was there and packin' when his gun was pointed at you and I put one through his shooting shoulder and then again maybe you wouldn't. I personally would be thankful if someone saved my life because they were legal to carry.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Or maybe you would be glad I was there and packin' when his gun was pointed at you and I put one through his shooting shoulder and then again maybe you wouldn't. I personally would be thankful if someone saved my life because they were legal to carry.

+1

[Blastoderm55]

Increasing the number of guns will just increase the probabiliy of the use of one. Sane people snap. And remember that colleges are equally affected by state and federal funding cuts. Do you really want to legally arm disgruntled workers? Sure, they might end up bringing a gun anyway if the law doesn't pass, but if they've got a gun legally stowed away for protection and end up getting a pink slip, the stuff might hit the fan.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Increasing the number of guns will just increase the probabiliy of the use of one. Sane people snap. And remember that colleges are equally affected by state and federal funding cuts. Do you really want to legally arm disgruntled workers? Sure, they might end up bringing a gun anyway if the law doesn't pass, but if they've got a gun legally stowed away for protection and end up getting a pink slip, the stuff might hit the fan.

Your statement is unfounded. The number of people who legally carry guns has increased dramatically. I have never seen any credible evidence that says shootings have increased because people are legally carrying weapons. I would like to see data that confirms what you are saying.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Increasing the number of guns will just increase the probabiliy of the use of one. Sane people snap. And remember that colleges are equally affected by state and federal funding cuts. Do you really want to legally arm disgruntled workers? Sure, they might end up bringing a gun anyway if the law doesn't pass, but if they've got a gun legally stowed away for protection and end up getting a pink slip, the stuff might hit the fan.

Yep, remember when it was just the disgruntled postal workers we worried about? Boy, those were the days.

Bobcat1 and Mustang69, I'd be honored to have either one of you save my life, but I would still prefer to leave law enforcement to law enforcement officers.

[BwdLion73]

Thinking back to my college days I would be a nervous wreck if 50% of the people I knew were carrying guns.

:D :D :D

Really.... of all places to arm a group. :rolleyes:

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
Your statement is unfounded. The number of people who legally carry guns has increased dramatically. I have never seen any credible evidence that says shootings have increased because people are legally carrying weapons. I would like to see data that confirms what you are saying. .

Its hypothetical, but no moreso than the idea that anyone with a CHL will jump into action and be a hero in a crisis situation. This isn't Hollywood.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
Yep, remember when it was just the disgruntled postal workers we worried about? Boy, those were the days.

Bobcat1 and Mustang69, I'd be honored to have either one of you save my life, but I would still prefer to leave law enforcement to law enforcement officers. They unfortunately only get there in time to investigate the aftermath.

I do not believe more guns in legal law abiding citizen's hands would ever lead to more violence. One of these cowardly criminals might think twice about pulling his gun if he thought there was a chance someone else had one. If the ever outlaw guns, every criminal in America will have the upper hand. I say arm all solid citizens and give them an equal chance.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
.

Its hypothetical, but no moreso than the idea that anyone with a CHL will jump into action and be a hero in a crisis situation. This isn't Hollywood. Nope it isn't Hollywood. This is real life. I want a fighting chance not a begging chance. Ever look down the barrel of a gun or been shot at? I have. It ain't fun. Did I ever tell you I hate low life criminals that prey on the weak?

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Nope it isn't Hollywood. This is real life. I want a fighting chance not a begging chance. Ever look down the barrel of a gun or been shot at? I have. It ain't fun. Did I ever tell you I hate low life criminals that prey on the weak?

Can't say I've ever looked down the barrel of anything. Guess I'm just lucky. I concur with your distaste for criminals of any nature, particularly those who would harm others. But unless I have a loaded gun in my hands at all times, I don't feel much better about my chances against a gun in my face, and lets face it, I wouldn't get much work done if I was holding a gun the entire time.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Did I ever tell you I hate low life criminals that prey on the weak?


You would make a great law enforcement officer. Have you ever considered it as a profession?

I wonder what the general opinion of this subject is by law enforcement officials. I know we have some on here from time to time.

[BwdLion73]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Nope it isn't Hollywood. This is real life. I want a fighting chance not a begging chance. Ever look down the barrel of a gun or been shot at? I have. It ain't fun. Did I ever tell you I hate low life criminals that prey on the weak?

Yes and Yes

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
Yep, remember when it was just the disgruntled postal workers we worried about? Boy, those were the days.

Bobcat1 and Mustang69, I'd be honored to have either one of you save my life, but I would still prefer to leave law enforcement to law enforcement officers.

It is always better to have law enforcement handle the situation,but law enforcement can not be everywhere at all times. Our police forces do a great job as a whole but they seem to be spread pretty thin. I just like my chances much better if I can protect myself.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
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Its hypothetical, but no moreso than the idea that anyone with a CHL will jump into action and be a hero in a crisis situation. This isn't Hollywood.

Most people with a CHL are not looking to be a hero. I hope I never am in a situation where I need to use my weapon. The people I know, including myself, who have a CHL are just looking for self protection.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
You would make a great law enforcement officer. Have you ever considered it as a profession?

I wonder what the general opinion of this subject is by law enforcement officials. I know we have some on here from time to time. Would not work out for me. I think there would be a lot less trials if I was (other than my own).

I don't think I could arrest a rapist or child molester or anyone that preyed on people in general. Let's just say my temperment would not allow me to be on the job long in those situations. I think my views are known. I am old timey protect the women, children and elderly at all costs redneck. Just the way I was raised. I can't stomach bleeding heart liberals and their socialistic ways.

[BEAST]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Would not work out for me. I think there would be a lot less trials if I was (other than my own).

I don't think I could arrest a rapist or child molester or anyone that preyed on people in general. Let's just say my temperment would not allow me to be on the job long in those situations. I think my views are known. I am old timey protect the women, children and elderly at all costs redneck. Just the way I was raised. I can't stomach bleeding heart liberals and their socialistic ways.


I agree 100% Bobcat1 for President!




BEAST

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by BEAST
I agree 100% Bobcat1 for President!




BEAST That wouldn't be good either. I'd have too much of a temptation to use that red button.:D

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Or maybe you would be glad I was there and packin' when his gun was pointed at you and I put one through his shooting shoulder and then again maybe you wouldn't. I personally would be thankful if someone saved my life because they were legal to carry.

I"m sure I would be as well.

However, the NYPD has published that their officers over a long period of time have statistically hit their intended target only 18% of the time. If officers that train with guns on a regular basis have a hit ration of less than 25%, I think it's reasonable to think that the average citizen would be less effective.

So, I think you can make a reasonable argument that in a 'gun fight' an innocent bystander has just as good a chance at getting hit than the intended target.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I"m sure I would be as well.

However, the NYPD has published that their officers over a long period of time have statistically hit their intended target only 18% of the time. If officers that train with guns on a regular basis have a hit ration of less than 25%, I think it's reasonable to think that the average citizen would be less effective.

So, I think you can make a reasonable argument that in a 'gun fight' an innocent bystander has just as good a chance at getting hit than the intended target.

I'm not sure that will hold water. Many people who own firearms practice or pleasure shoot a lot. The guys I hang out with are great shots. I venture to say that most of them can shoot as good as any police officer.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
I'm not sure that will hold water. Many people who own firearms practice or pleasure shoot a lot. The guys I hang out with are great shots. I venture to say that most of them can shoot as good as any police officer.

I don't doubt your friends are good shots.

However, I think you overestimate everyone else.

Again, If officers have that type of hit rate, I don't think there is any way in the world the general population would be better than 25%.

[DavidWooderson]

Originally posted by jason
i manage dozens of computer labs and classrooms at a Texas university and i don't think i would like knowing that half of the cowboys coming in and out of them are carrying guns...

HAHAHAHAHAHA That is what I was thinking. I know back in my day at TSU we'd be out using the parking lot as a shooting range.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
Most people with a CHL are not looking to be a hero. I hope I never am in a situation where I need to use my weapon. The people I know, including myself, who have a CHL are just looking for self protection.


Seems like that could cause a dilema, if for example, you were protecting me or someone other than yourself. A good samaritan (you) could be subjected to a less-than-perfect legal system and negative repercussions and that would be a tragedy as well.

I'm sure you have thought about all of this.... I haven't and am just thinking out loud.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by DavidWooderson
HAHAHAHAHAHA That is what I was thinking. I know back in my day at TSU we'd be out using the parking lot as a shooting range.

I gotta tell you, when I think back to many of the folks that i went to college with, I would be absoutely terrified if even half of them were packing, and half might be generous. :eek:

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
Seems like that could cause a dilema, if for example, you were protecting me or someone other than yourself. A good samaritan (you) could be subjected to a less-than-perfect legal system and negative repercussions and that would be a tragedy as well.

I'm sure you have thought about all of this.... I haven't and am just thinking out loud.

Yes I have had those thoughts but do I let a family member or friend such as yourself die because I am afraid of the justice system? I don't think so.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
Yes I have had those thoughts but do I let a family member or friend such as yourself die because I am afraid of the justice system? I don't think so.


I know, I watch Nancy Grace waaaay toooo much.:D

She's just scary....period.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
I'm not sure that will hold water. Many people who own firearms practice or pleasure shoot a lot. The guys I hang out with are great shots. I venture to say that most of them can shoot as good as any police officer. Or better.

[BwdLion73]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
I'm not sure that will hold water. Many people who own firearms practice or pleasure shoot a lot. The guys I hang out with are great shots. I venture to say that most of them can shoot as good as any police officer.


Dont mix practice and pleasure with the type of shooting that is being talked about here. I'm not here to be a ra ra or look at me however I have some life experience with this from shooting to being shot. Percentage of hits change quite a bit when the S hits the fan. Targets dont shoot back and pleasure is not in the picture.

[Daddy D 11]

The naivety of some people is ridiculous.

To think that everyone carrying a concealed gun is a great person that always makes great (educated) decisions is stupid.


People mention "Oh you will wish you had a gun when so and so starts shooting!" HOW OFTEN DOES THAT EVER REALLY HAPPEN????? Come on people.

Literally every freaking person on every stinking campus is going to need a pistol for the "Oh you'll wish I was there with my 357" bullshit idea to work. If you are in the other dormitory, or the other building on campus... you are of no help what so ever. You can't exactly sprint across a grass lawn screaming to the cops, "I have a concealed carry license! Don't shoot me!".
The cops are going to see civilian, in civilian clothes, carrying a pistol... and they are going to blow you away. And then **** gets REAL interesting for everyone. Unless when you get your license they give you a really obvious color shirt or something, we are going to have concealed carry people blowing other concealed carry people away when everyone pulls their guns. How do I know that the person next to me packing actually has a license? How do I know he's not the shooter? We are going to see a ton of people like Bobcat1 that want to "save the day" and all they're gonna do is unintentionally slip up and shoot the wrong person. Or interfere in Law Enforcements attempt at controlling the situation.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
The naivety of some people is ridiculous.

To think that everyone carrying a concealed gun is a great person that always makes great (educated) decisions is stupid.


People mention "Oh you will wish you had a gun when so and so starts shooting!" HOW OFTEN DOES THAT EVER REALLY HAPPEN????? Come on people.

Literally every freaking person on every stinking campus is going to need a pistol for the "Oh you'll wish I was there with my 357" bullshit idea to work. If you are in the other dormitory, or the other building on campus... you are of no help what so ever. You can't exactly sprint across a grass lawn screaming to the cops, "I have a concealed carry license! Don't shoot me!".
The cops are going to see civilian, in civilian clothes, carrying a pistol... and they are going to blow you away. And then **** gets REAL interesting for everyone. Unless when you get your license they give you a really obvious color shirt or something, we are going to have concealed carry people blowing other concealed carry people away when everyone pulls their guns. How do I know that the person next to me packing actually has a license? How do I know he's not the shooter? We are going to see a ton of people like Bobcat1 that want to "save the day" and all they're gonna do is unintentionally slip up and shoot the wrong person. Or interfere in Law Enforcements attempt at controlling the situation. You are young and naive. I would rather it be what it is which is a deterrent and for protection. Sure there are idiots in every crowd. I'm sure some that have a permit don't need to be carrying. Some (DaddyD11)would want to sit by idly and sing KumBaya and wait for death or the police. Sorry I don't fit that mold. Guess what? I don't carry a gun. So most likely I would get shot but it wouldn't be cowering in a corner while other innocents got shot. I know where I'm going when I die dude.

I never in life needed anyone to protect me. I always sought to go to a country road for a fight so it wouldn't get broke up by anyone until it was over. I remember getting into a fist fight with one guy and whippin' him only to be blindsided by a mutual friend. The mutual friend wound up going to jail for drunk when the cops got there. Guess where I was at 4am. Trying to bail him out so I could finish up with him. He told the cops he wanted to stay in jail. Took a couple of weeks of hard lookin but i found him. :D Can't do that these days cause young men these days aren't men at all on the most part. They are wimps and have to have a weapon to be a man.

I'm done with this soapbox. Have at it all you lily livered liberals. Now get your key and sing..... Kumbaya......:rolleyes:

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by bobcat1
You are young and naive. I would rather it be what it is which is a deterrent and for protection. Sure there are idiots in every crowd. I'm sure some that have a permit don't need to be carrying. Some (DaddyD11)would want to sit by idly and sing KumBaya and wait for death or the police. Sorry I don't fit that mold. Guess what? I don't carry a gun. So most likely I would get shot but it wouldn't be cowering in a corner while other innocents got shot. I know where I'm going when I die dude.

I never in life needed anyone to protect me. I always sought to go to a country road for a fight so it wouldn't get broke up by anyone until it was over. I remember getting into a fist fight with one guy and whippin' him only to be blindsided by a mutual friend. The mutual friend wound up going to jail for drunk when the cops got there. Guess where I was at 4am. Trying to bail him out so I could finish up with him. He told the cops he wanted to stay in jail. Took a couple of weeks of hard lookin but i found him. :D Can't do that these days cause young men these days aren't men at all on the most part. They are wimps and have to have a weapon to be a man.

I'm done with this soapbox. Have at it all you lily livered liberals. Now get your key and sing..... Kumbaya......:rolleyes:


You're not on a college campus everyday. You don't see the immaturity running around everywhere. To throw firearms into the mix would be the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a fire.

Like I have said twice already, why do we even need them?? Shootings are SO RARE when you look at how much time is spent on college campuses across the country each year.


I never said I would sing kumbaya. But I, unlike others, are going to let people do their job. Whatever it is you do for a living... I wouldn't expect you to be open to the idea of cops doing it for you just because they can. It is their job, let them do it. Having pistols on campus would do absolutely nothing to deter an attack from happening. If you want to shoot up the school, you are going to do it no matter what.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
If you want to shoot up the school, you are going to do it no matter what. You've left out how much tail you've whipped in your life and how you would make Chuck Norris blink. That's important. :D

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
If you want to shoot up the school, you are going to do it no matter what. Until someone stops the shooter whether it be a cop or a country kid that can shoot, has all his life, and is carrying. Believe me, like I said, some people's kids don't need to be carrying. Most of the shooter's involved in these types of shootings just bought the gun right before they attack. They sure hit their targets easily enough. I guess because no one is shooting back???? I often wonder if they would have done it if they thought there was a possibility that say 20 or so people would draw a bead on them. I wonder why they don't walk into a gun store or police station and go to shooting? They are smart and sane enough to pick on helpless victims aren't they?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by DDBooger
You've left out how much tail you've whipped in your life and how you would make Chuck Norris blink. That's important. :D :tongue: :tongue: Just saying..........

[Saggy Aggie]

I'm not a big fan of **** tons of people around me walking around packing heat.


If this is about crime prevention, hire more on-campus police. :confused:

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I wonder why they don't walk into a gun store or police station and go to shooting? They are smart and sane enough to pick on helpless victims aren't they?


Or they happen to be students at the university they are shooting up and that's where they live???

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by DDBooger
You've left out how much tail you've whipped in your life and how you would make Chuck Norris blink. That's important. :D

Because that makes my point more valid. Right?

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by Saggy Aggie
I'm not a big fan of **** tons of people around me walking around packing heat.


If this is about crime prevention, hire more on-campus police. :confused:


Thank you. To be honest, I would HATE walking onto my own campus if I knew everyone could be packing heat. It would be awful. There are so many dumbasses running around every college campus that would go get a license JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW. Then we'd have herds of retards packing heat running around just begging to whip out their gun and show that they can.

[garciap77]

If guns are allowed on college campuses, will 18 yrs. be allowed to get their concealed permits? Or are they going to have to wait until they are 21?

[Daddy D 11]

Trust me, if this passes... SO MANY KIDS will go get their concealed carry licenses "just because".

[TheDOCTORdre]

how bout compromise? Lets all get tasers

http://www.defenseproducts101.com/tasers_introduction.html?gclid=CJSOnduXnacCFVBe2go d6mqmeg


:D :D :D

[garciap77]

Originally posted by BwdLion73
Dont mix practice and pleasure with the type of shooting that is being talked about here. I'm not here to be a ra ra or look at me however I have some life experience with this from shooting to being shot. Percentage of hits change quite a bit when the S hits the fan. Targets dont shoot back and pleasure is not in the picture.


:iagree:

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by garciap77
If guns are allowed on college campuses, will 18 yrs. be allowed to get their concealed permits? Or are they going to have to wait until they are 21? Good point.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Trust me, if this passes... SO MANY KIDS will go get their concealed carry licenses "just because".


This attitude will emerge: "Why should I not go get my license? Everyone else is packing heat around me, now I feel like I must pack heat too in order to assure my own safety."

It will start a snowball effect that will result in everyone carrying guns just to assure that they aren't the only ones NOT carrying a gun.


....Yeah, let's see how that one pans out.

[Saggy Aggie]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Thank you. To be honest, I would HATE walking onto my own campus if I knew everyone could be packing heat. It would be awful. There are so many dumbasses running around every college campus that would go get a license JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW. Then we'd have herds of retards packing heat running around just begging to whip out their gun and show that they can. this.


There are so many sketchy ass people on campus who don't need the availability of guns in their backpacks.

Do you guys really think that ANYONE being able to carry a gun around is going to stop crime? Simple fights are going to turn deadly, and people are going to be whipping out their guns at any chance they can get. Personally.... I'm sure that shootings will still happen... but when 35 people around the shooter go to whip out their guns... then what? Bullets flying everywhere? No one trained to shoot.


Just hire some cops, professionally trained people, not some nerd who thinks he's doing everyone justice by trying to be the hero.

[bobcat1]

Kumbaya my Lord Kumbaya.......................

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Kumbaya my Lord Kumbaya.......................

This little fishy isn't biting that bait lol

[garciap77]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
You would make a great law enforcement officer. Have you ever considered it as a profession?

I wonder what the general opinion of this subject is by law enforcement officials. I know we have some on here from time to time.

I'm not in law enforcement now, but if I was still in law enforcement I would much rather not have to deal with guns on campuses. It would make my job much harder and possibly put me in a position where I might kill an innocent student (concealed weapon carrying) or get killed because I hesitated trying to figure out who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
This little fishy isn't biting that bait lol You know you would be in the circle eyes closed, legs crossed, holding hands. I can see it now.:p

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
This attitude will emerge: "Why should I not go get my license? Everyone else is packing heat around me, now I feel like I must pack heat too in order to assure my own safety."

It will start a snowball effect that will result in everyone carrying guns just to assure that they aren't the only ones NOT carrying a gun.


....Yeah, let's see how that one pans out.

Is there money to be made on this?:D

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by garciap77
Is there money to be made on this?:D


Only money that will be made will be by parents whose kids were either wrongfully shot to death by other students or shot by law enforcement agents.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Saggy Aggie
this.


There are so many sketchy ass people on campus who don't need the availability of guns in their backpacks.

Do you guys really think that ANYONE being able to carry a gun around is going to stop crime? Simple fights are going to turn deadly, and people are going to be whipping out their guns at any chance they can get. Personally.... I'm sure that shootings will still happen... but when 35 people around the shooter go to whip out their guns... then what? Bullets flying everywhere? No one trained to shoot.


Just hire some cops, professionally trained people, not some nerd who thinks he's doing everyone justice by trying to be the hero.

Are you telling me that college kids are not responsible/smart enough to carry a weapon?:D

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Only money that will be made will be by parents whose kids were either wrongfully shot to death by other students or shot by law enforcement agents.

So the lawyers are going to get rich?:D

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by garciap77
Are you telling me that college kids are not responsible/smart enough to carry a weapon?:D

I cant speak for him lol But yes, I am trying to tell people that.

Oh, did I mention I have kicked many people ass in my life. There. I said it. (For you booger).

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by garciap77
So the lawyers are going to get rich?:D



Me being a future lawyer...maybe i should switch my stance on this?:thinking: :p

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by garciap77
Are you telling me that college kids are not responsible/smart enough to carry a weapon?:D

some law enforcement agents aren't responsible/smart enough to carry weapons:D

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by garciap77
Are you telling me that college kids are not responsible/smart enough to carry a weapon?:D In talking about social integration and strat, when I asked why this can be a problem, had a kid state jews and muslims. Not their antagonisms towards each other after clarifying, but their integration (islam) and dominance of many of our industries (jews). Guy wasn't kidding. I don't want this guy who likely has every conspiracy theory blog on his favorites carrying. Funny enough, he either works or owns a gun store, because he wears the same company shirt. Needless to say, he made it uncomfortable for some of my students. Then you have the stress, not a good mix on campus and finally just the general fact that many of them are still kids despite their legal age. This is silly.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Me being a future lawyer...maybe i should switch my stance on this?:thinking: :p


Those were my thoughts! You have much to learn my son!;)

[garciap77]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
some law enforcement agents aren't responsible/smart enough to carry weapons:D

And where did you hear this?:D

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
I cant speak for him lol But yes, I am trying to tell people that.

Oh, did I mention I have kicked many people ass in my life. There. I said it. (For you booger). :lies: :taunt:

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by garciap77
And where did you hear this?:D http://www.cynicalnation.com/img/barney_fife.jpg

[garciap77]

Originally posted by bobcat1
:lies: :taunt:

:iagree: :iagree: :taunt: :taunt:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
I cant speak for him lol But yes, I am trying to tell people that.

Oh, did I mention I have kicked many people ass in my life. There. I said it. (For you booger). You're tough :D

[garciap77]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
http://www.cynicalnation.com/img/barney_fife.jpg


I forgot if it's on TV, then it must be true! Thanks snoopy!http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/snoopygraduateballoon.gif

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by garciap77
I forgot if it's on TV, then it must be true! Thanks snoopy!


happy to help
:D

[garciap77]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
happy to help
:D

lol

[bobcat4life]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
some law enforcement agents aren't responsible/smart enough to carry weapons:D Dont talk about Orange Machine like that :D

[Saggy Aggie]

Originally posted by garciap77
Are you telling me that college kids are not responsible/smart enough to carry a weapon?:D yes

[BaseballUmp]

Glad to be graduating before this has a chance of passing. I can't imagine being on campus in a class of 200 knowing half of them have a gun, and 50 of them are probably hungover from the night before.
Some(most) are not mature enough to be carrying a weapon. On this campus at least, I think there is a better bet that a physical altercation could stop a shooter rather than a room full of guys all shooting each other. The way our classes are set up, everybody is situated pretty close to one another. I would hope that someone would be brave enough to tackle the guy rather than have half the class shot because they all have a gun and want to use it.

I know you can not expect everyone to have the balls to try this, but you can also not expect everyone to be SMART enough to carry a firearm and have the knowledge to use it properly if a situation were to present itself.

So go on about how "If I were there, I'd blast him and save the world" but you can't honestly expect an 18-24 year old with little to no training to be capable of shooting another human being.

On instinct, would you rather have someone try tackling the guy or shaking in his boots wavering at a room of 100+ with a loaded weapon with a minimal chance of shooting the perpetrator.

I'll take my chances with trying to tackle the guy and disarming him if I were close enough.

I don't think college campuses do enough preventative measures. No drills, training. Maybe for Campus police, but the students are the most in danger and should have knowledge of how to handle such a situation and where to go if something were to happen.

Just this guys opinion, but I wouldn't carry a weapon on campus and would be hesitant to be around others that were.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
Glad to be graduating before this has a chance of passing. I can't imagine being on campus in a class of 200 knowing half of them have a gun, and 50 of them are probably hungover from the night before.
Some(most) are not mature enough to be carrying a weapon. On this campus at least, I think there is a better bet that a physical altercation could stop a shooter rather than a room full of guys all shooting each other. The way our classes are set up, everybody is situated pretty close to one another. I would hope that someone would be brave enough to tackle the guy rather than have half the class shot because they all have a gun and want to use it.

I know you can not expect everyone to have the balls to try this, but you can also not expect everyone to be SMART enough to carry a firearm and have the knowledge to use it properly if a situation were to present itself.

So go on about how "If I were there, I'd blast him and save the world" but you can't honestly expect an 18-24 year old with little to no training to be capable of shooting another human being.

On instinct, would you rather have someone try tackling the guy or shaking in his boots wavering at a room of 100+ with a loaded weapon with a minimal chance of shooting the perpetrator.

I'll take my chances with trying to tackle the guy and disarming him if I were close enough.

I don't think college campuses do enough preventative measures. No drills, training. Maybe for Campus police, but the students are the most in danger and should have knowledge of how to handle such a situation and where to go if something were to happen.

Just this guys opinion, but I wouldn't carry a weapon on campus and would be hesitant to be around others that were.


EXACTLY

[sahen]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
EXACTLY

aren't you at Baylor? i'd think Baylor could still bar anyone from bringing a gun on campus since they are private...whether they do or not is another question....then again maybe im wrong, i haven't really studied up on this issue...

[garciap77]

Originally posted by BaseballUmp
Glad to be graduating before this has a chance of passing. I can't imagine being on campus in a class of 200 knowing half of them have a gun, and 50 of them are probably hungover from the night before.
Some(most) are not mature enough to be carrying a weapon. On this campus at least, I think there is a better bet that a physical altercation could stop a shooter rather than a room full of guys all shooting each other. The way our classes are set up, everybody is situated pretty close to one another. I would hope that someone would be brave enough to tackle the guy rather than have half the class shot because they all have a gun and want to use it.

I know you can not expect everyone to have the balls to try this, but you can also not expect everyone to be SMART enough to carry a firearm and have the knowledge to use it properly if a situation were to present itself.

So go on about how "If I were there, I'd blast him and save the world" but you can't honestly expect an 18-24 year old with little to no training to be capable of shooting another human being.

On instinct, would you rather have someone try tackling the guy or shaking in his boots wavering at a room of 100+ with a loaded weapon with a minimal chance of shooting the perpetrator.

I'll take my chances with trying to tackle the guy and disarming him if I were close enough.

I don't think college campuses do enough preventative measures. No drills, training. Maybe for Campus police, but the students are the most in danger and should have knowledge of how to handle such a situation and where to go if something were to happen.

Just this guys opinion, but I wouldn't carry a weapon on campus and would be hesitant to be around others that were.

wussy:D



;)

[OldBison75]

The subject about marksmanship came up earlier and should be discussed further.

If you have never had the pleasure (if you can call it that) of having to try and shoot at another human being while he or she is shooting at you, then you have no idea whether you can shoot or not in these situations. I can introduce you to hundreds of peace officers that can literally destroy the center of any target you choose to put in front of them on the gun range. But, these same "expert marksmen" have all been in shooting incidents with bad guys and have missed more shots than they have hit. This may sound strange, but it is damned hard to hit your target when you are trying to shoot around a corner of a building, diving for cover, or shaking like a leaf because you are face to face with a real person that wants to kill you or someone else.

As a peace officer for 28 years, I can honestly say that there are about the same percentage of citizens that should not be carrying a weapon as there are cops. That said, as a cop I would prefer knowing going into a situation that the person I encounter that has a gun is the bad guy and not some college kid with a CHL.

My daughter is a student at a Texas University and I pray to God that no nutcase ever opens fire where she is. However, I would rather place my trust in the response of well trained law enforcement officers if it does happen. I hope that if my daughter is in that situation and the shooter decides to take a hostage to protect himself, it is a trained cop that decides how to handle the situation and not a "let me show you how good a shot I am" kid. My good old dad used to say that more tragedies start with someone saying "If it were me, I would have .........."

I am legal to carry anywhere in the state I choose, but you will never find a gun in my possession except when I am actually performing law enforcement duties or hunting. I don't want to be mistaken for the bad guy either.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by OldBison75
The subject about marksmanship came up earlier and should be discussed further.

If you have never had the pleasure (if you can call it that) of having to try and shoot at another human being while he or she is shooting at you, then you have no idea whether you can shoot or not in these situations. I can introduce you to hundreds of peace officers that can literally destroy the center of any target you choose to put in front of them on the gun range. But, these same "expert marksmen" have all been in shooting incidents with bad guys and have missed more shots than they have hit. This may sound strange, but it is damned hard to hit your target when you are trying to shoot around a corner of a building, diving for cover, or shaking like a leaf because you are face to face with a real person that wants to kill you or someone else.

As a peace officer for 28 years, I can honestly say that there are about the same percentage of citizens that should not be carrying a weapon as there are cops. That said, as a cop I would prefer knowing going into a situation that the person I encounter that has a gun is the bad guy and not some college kid with a CHL.

My daughter is a student at a Texas University and I pray to God that no nutcase ever opens fire where she is. However, I would rather place my trust in the response of well trained law enforcement officers if it does happen. I hope that if my daughter is in that situation and the shooter decides to take a hostage to protect himself, it is a trained cop that decides how to handle the situation and not a "let me show you how good a shot I am" kid. My good old dad used to say that more tragedies start with someone saying "If it were me, I would have .........."

I am legal to carry anywhere in the state I choose, but you will never find a gun in my possession except when I am actually performing law enforcement duties or hunting. I don't want to be mistaken for the bad guy either.

:clap:

[clhsdad]

In order to obtain a chl you have to be 21 years old, I would guess this would eliminate about 60 % of the college students. When you are 21 you may obtain this after a background check and a chl class. I imagine we have 21 year olds that have done this already but are not allowed to carry on campus but may carry legally many other places.

I can tell most have never attended a chl class as it deals with many things other than shooting at people. You are taught how to avoid confrontations or disfuse certain situations. As well as what are the circumstances for a wrongful shooting. In a life or death situation I would want my kid to at least have a chance to survive.

In the time Texas has had the legal means to to carry I don't believe their has been any wrongful deaths and we have not reverted back to the wild west. Anyone intent on shooting others could care less if he has a chl or weather it is legal to carry a gun.

Look at the military many of these kids are 18-19 years old and given an M16 and sent to war with little training on what it is like to take a human life, are they old enough and mature enough?

I would venture to say there will be many more deaths of college students drinking and driving. Where is the outrage and concern about alcohol on campus.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by bobcat1
You are young and naive. I would rather it be what it is which is a deterrent and for protection. Sure there are idiots in every crowd. I'm sure some that have a permit don't need to be carrying. Some (DaddyD11)would want to sit by idly and sing KumBaya and wait for death or the police. Sorry I don't fit that mold. Guess what? I don't carry a gun. So most likely I would get shot but it wouldn't be cowering in a corner while other innocents got shot. I know where I'm going when I die dude.

I never in life needed anyone to protect me. I always sought to go to a country road for a fight so it wouldn't get broke up by anyone until it was over. I remember getting into a fist fight with one guy and whippin' him only to be blindsided by a mutual friend. The mutual friend wound up going to jail for drunk when the cops got there. Guess where I was at 4am. Trying to bail him out so I could finish up with him. He told the cops he wanted to stay in jail. Took a couple of weeks of hard lookin but i found him. :D Can't do that these days cause young men these days aren't men at all on the most part. They are wimps and have to have a weapon to be a man.

I'm done with this soapbox. Have at it all you lily livered liberals. Now get your key and sing..... Kumbaya......:rolleyes:

I am 100% certain that this bleeding heart liberal would meet you on any country road.

It will be an eye opening experience for you... When the swelling goes down in a few days that is. :rolleyes:

[BwdLion73]

Originally posted by OldBison75
As a peace officer for 28 years, I can honestly say that there are about the same percentage of citizens that should not be carrying a weapon as there are cops. That said, as a cop I would prefer knowing going into a situation that the person I encounter that has a gun is the bad guy and not some college kid with a CHL.


I am legal to carry anywhere in the state I choose, but you will never find a gun in my possession except when I am actually performing law enforcement duties or hunting. I don't want to be mistaken for the bad guy either.

I think I would disagree with your statement about the percentage of police vs. citizens. As for your second statement I'm surprised your department does not have a policy that requires you to have your weapon with/on you at all times. I for one would like you to have a gun in case a violent felony occurs in front of you.

[OldBison75]

Let me clarify your two points:

First, I meant to say the percentage of legal CHL holders that should not have a gun is not much different than the number of cops that should not carry. If you stay in this business very long, you will find that there are a number of people that become peace officers so that they can carry a gun and poke out their chest and use that persona to try and intimidate people. Most of them get weeded out pretty quick.

To the second point, I said you would not find a weapon in my possession--in other words, you won't see me with it in view until I am performing a law enforcement duty. And no, Police Departments can force you to carry in your jurisdiction, but they cannot order you to have it 24-7. Mine will never be far from my reach though. However, if I am out with the family and drive up on a crime being committed, I may not choose to endanger my family and other citizens by attempting to stop the crime at that time. Sometimes the safest action is to get information, descriptions of actors and vehicles, and wait for help and a safer location to act.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by OldBison75
The subject about marksmanship came up earlier and should be discussed further.

If you have never had the pleasure (if you can call it that) of having to try and shoot at another human being while he or she is shooting at you, then you have no idea whether you can shoot or not in these situations. I can introduce you to hundreds of peace officers that can literally destroy the center of any target you choose to put in front of them on the gun range. But, these same "expert marksmen" have all been in shooting incidents with bad guys and have missed more shots than they have hit. This may sound strange, but it is damned hard to hit your target when you are trying to shoot around a corner of a building, diving for cover, or shaking like a leaf because you are face to face with a real person that wants to kill you or someone else.

As a peace officer for 28 years, I can honestly say that there are about the same percentage of citizens that should not be carrying a weapon as there are cops. That said, as a cop I would prefer knowing going into a situation that the person I encounter that has a gun is the bad guy and not some college kid with a CHL.

My daughter is a student at a Texas University and I pray to God that no nutcase ever opens fire where she is. However, I would rather place my trust in the response of well trained law enforcement officers if it does happen. I hope that if my daughter is in that situation and the shooter decides to take a hostage to protect himself, it is a trained cop that decides how to handle the situation and not a "let me show you how good a shot I am" kid. My good old dad used to say that more tragedies start with someone saying "If it were me, I would have .........."

I am legal to carry anywhere in the state I choose, but you will never find a gun in my possession except when I am actually performing law enforcement duties or hunting. I don't want to be mistaken for the bad guy either.

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[garciap77]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I am 100% certain that this bleeding heart liberal would meet you on any country road.

It will be an eye opening experience for you... When the swelling goes down in a few days that is. :rolleyes:

Rockdale80 is liberal?:D




;)

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by BEAST
Professors? Most Profs are so damn liberal they are probably afraid to touch a gun. After all, guns kill people.




BEAST I know. Funny how so many of the most educated and smart folks dont subscribe to the conservative points of view as to the world and country....:thinking: ;)

[BwdLion73]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I know. Funny how so many of the most educated and smart folks dont subscribe to the conservative points of view as to the world and country....:thinking: ;)

As long as you understand that Educated and Smart do not always go together.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I am 100% certain that this bleeding heart liberal would meet you on any country road.

It will be an eye opening experience for you... When the swelling goes down in a few days that is. :rolleyes: LMAO at Rockdale80

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by garciap77
Rockdale80 is liberal?:D




;)

I like to not put labels on people that can think logically and apply common sense to seperate issues without picking a position because a group of people tell them they should. If anything I would say moderate. :)

[garciap77]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I like to not put labels on people that can think logically and apply common sense to seperate issues without picking a position because a group of people tell them they should. If anything I would say moderate. :)


So, should bobcat1 still be scared of you, now that we know you are not a bleeding heart liberal?:D



;)

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by garciap77
So, should bobcat1 still be scared of you, now that we know you are not a bleeding heart liberal?:D



;)


I am not sure that anyone should be scared of me, but this fantasy that all democrats are scared to get their hands dirty and fight needs to be proven inaccurate.

Hell, we could even have a spelling contest.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I am not sure that anyone should be scared of me, but this fantasy that all democrats are scared to get their hands dirty and fight needs to be proven inaccurate.

Hell, we could even have a spelling contest.
Why Ed Bailey, we cross? Does This Mean We’re Not Friends Anymore?

If I thought you weren’t my friend, I just don’t think I could bear it.:D

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Why Ed Bailey, we cross? Does This Mean We’re Not Friends Anymore?

If I thought you weren’t my friend, I just don’t think I could bear it.:D

;)

Just saying....

[BaseballUmp]

http://www.kmil.com/story.php?id=14359

One step closer to becoming reality...

[BEAST]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I know. Funny how so many of the most educated and smart folks dont subscribe to the conservative points of view as to the world and country....:thinking: ;)


Exactly. And look where its put us!! If only everyone would just wise up.




BEAST