Maxpreps - Texas and Nation (Brownwood)

[Rocket]

Brownwood #3 in Texas Regardless of Classification
Brownwood #30 in the Nation Regardless of Classification
(Was Decatur ranked this high in 2004?)

Top 25 Texas:

1 Trinity (Euless, TX) TX 8-0 6-0 65.2 26.6 --
2 Katy (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 63.3 24.1 --
3 Brownwood (TX) TX 8-0 2-0 59.3 27.3 +1
4 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) TX 7-0 4-0 57.8 25.4 +4
5 Coppell (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 57.4 27.3 -2
6 Aledo (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 54.5 16.4 --
7 Allen (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 54.1 33.1 --
8 Tyler (TX) TX 6-1 4-0 53.9 35.3 +6
9 The Woodlands (TX) TX 7-0 3-0 53.7 23.3 +1
10 Whitehouse (TX) TX 5-2 3-1 52.5 38 -5
11 North Shore (Houston, TX) TX 6-1 2-0 52 35.1 +4
12 Marcus (Flower Mound, TX) TX 6-1 3-1 51.9 34.9 +4
13 Lufkin (TX) TX 6-1 2-1 51.2 31.2 +5
14 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) TX 8-0 4-0 50.9 21.7 -5
15 Holland Hall (Tulsa, OK) TX 8-0 4-0 50.6 19.1 -4
16 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) TX 6-1 3-0 50 29.3 +3
17 Cedar Park (TX) TX 8-0 4-0 49.7 18.7 --
18 Midway (Waco, TX) TX 7-0 2-0 49.3 20.3 -5
19 Abilene (TX) TX 5-2 2-0 49 38.2 +15
20 DeSoto (De Soto, TX) TX 6-1 2-0 48.7 33.5 +2
21 Cooper (Abilene, TX) TX 7-0 2-0 48.6 21.7 -1
22 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) TX 7-1 3-1 48.5 32.1 +13
23 Longview (TX) TX 4-3 2-0 48.3 43.3 +15
24 Flower Mound (TX) TX 5-2 3-1 48.3 38.9 +7
25 Kirbyville (TX) TX 7-0 1-0 48 19 --

Top 50 Nation: (There are 14,723 eleven man football teams that are ranked in this poll... we are 30th)

1 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) NJ 5-0 1-0 71.1 33.6 --
2 Mission Viejo (CA) CA 7-0 1-0 66.5 38.7 --
3 Trinity (Euless, TX) TX 8-0 6-0 65.2 26.6 --
4 South Panola (Batesville, MS) MS 8-0 4-0 65 32.1 +11
5 Centennial (Corona, CA) CA 6-0 3-0 64.7 25.5 --
6 De La Salle (Concord, CA) CA 6-0 3-0 64.6 35.5 +10
7 St. Edward (Lakewood, OH) OH 8-0 0-0 64.5 35.6 +11
8 St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL) FL 6-0 1-0 64.5 37.8 +5
9 Colerain (Cincinnati, OH) OH 8-0 5-0 64.5 33.8 -5
10 Middletown (OH) OH 8-0 5-0 63.8 33.3 +1
11 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) CA 6-0 5-0 63.7 32.4 -4
12 Mullen (Denver, CO) CO 7-0 3-0 63.4 34.4 --
13 Katy (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 63.3 24.1 -1
14 Wheaton-Warrenville South (Wheaton, IL) IL 8-0 6-0 63.3 30.2 +9
15 Glenville (Cleveland, OH) OH 8-0 5-0 62.7 12.9 -7
16 Bentonville (AR) AR 7-0 4-0 62.5 33.2 +1
17 Jenks (OK) OK 7-0 4-0 62.3 23.3 -3
18 Servite (Anaheim, CA) CA 6-0 1-0 61.7 31.3 +1
19 Har-Ber (Springdale, AR) AR 7-0 4-0 61.5 26.6 +2
20 Valley Christian (San Jose, CA) CA 6-0 3-0 61 25.2 +8
21 Hoover (AL) AL 8-0 6-0 60.8 32.5 +20
22 La Salle (Cincinnati, OH) OH 8-0 2-0 60.8 29.9 +11
23 Chaparral (Scottsdale, AZ) AZ 8-0 3-0 60.7 28.6 +1
24 Pickerington Central (Pickerington, OH) OH 7-0 5-0 60.2 30.5 -4
25 Dr. Phillips (Orlando, FL) FL 6-0 2-0 60.2 17.5 -15
26 Columbus (Miami, FL) FL 6-0 2-0 59.9 29.1 +20
27 Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO) MO 8-0 0-0 59.8 39.1 -5
28 Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) IN 8-1 7-0 59.5 35 +3
29 St. Thomas More (Lafayette, LA) LA 7-0 1-0 59.5 31.5 -3
30 Brownwood (TX) TX 8-0 2-0 59.3 27.3 +14
31 East St. Louis (IL) IL 8-0 6-0 58.1 25.7 +11
32 Grant (Sacramento, CA) CA 7-0 2-0 57.8 20.8 -23
33 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) TX 7-0 4-0 57.8 25.4 +42
34 Bergen Catholic (Oradell, NJ) NJ 5-1 1-1 57.7 34.1 +6
35 North Gwinnett (Suwanee, GA) GA 7-0 4-0 57.7 22.8 -1
36 Trinity (Louisville, KY) KY 7-1 2-0 57.5 36.8 +13
37 Bingham (South Jordan, UT) UT 8-0 5-0 57.4 21.4 +18
38 Coppell (TX) TX 7-0 4-0 57.4 27.3 -8
39 Austintown-Fitch (Youngstown, OH) OH 8-0 0-0 57.3 25.4 +33
40 Regis Jesuit (Aurora, CO) CO 7-0 3-0 57.3 34 +5
41 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) OH 6-2 2-1 57.2 45 -5
42 Lakeland (FL) FL 6-0 0-0 57 29.8 -7
43 Dorman (Roebuck, SC) SC 8-0 4-0 56.8 29.4 -18
44 Carmel (Mundelein, IL) IL 8-0 6-0 56.6 29 +29
45 Allentown Central Catholic (Allentown, PA) PA 7-0 6-0 56.6 31.9 +2
46 Waunakee (WI) WI 8-0 5-0 56.6 15.9 -7
47 Gilman (Baltimore, MD) MD 5-2 2-1 56.5 43.4 +24
48 Phoebus (Hampton, VA) VA 7-0 6-0 56.2 17.9 -16
49 Armwood (Seffner, FL) FL 6-0 1-0 55.7 23 -20
50 North Allegheny (Wexford, PA) PA 7-0 4-0 55.2 21.6 +7

[OPERATOR]

Cool stats!

[OPERATOR]

Oh, Decatur was #7 in the state and #33 in the nation. If I am remembering right, in 2004 I was keeping up with Texas teams hardcore so i'm pretty confident lol.

[Tin Cup]

This is scary lol. Who comes up with this and how? I know how good we are but I'm a realist. We aren't the 3rd best team in Texas. Lol

[Bosqueville]

Wow!! Very cool!

[OPERATOR]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
This is scary lol. Who comes up with this and how? I know how good we are but I'm a realist. We aren't the 3rd best team in Texas. Lol



Personally I don't pay any attention to rankings. Brownwood is definitely badass, however they couldn't beat at least 10 teams in the state.

[TheDOCTORdre]

this is preposterous, everyone knows Brownwood is #1 in the state and nation:D

[gatordaze]

Do you really believe that Brownwood can beat Allen, Southlake, Coppell, or any school in Plano?

And they call Celina arrogant!

You have one 4 star player and a bunch of above average 3A players that would not play until their Senior year if at all at any top 5A school!

Do some research and you will find that the mighty Lovejoy's early success is only because they collected a bunch of kids that would not get to play for Allen and decided to get some field time.

It is a big difference fielding 60-70 out of 250-500 than having 2,000+ to pick from. The depth alone would destroy you by halftime.

[Tin Cup]

I think Brownwood would be highly competitive in 4A this year but 5A upper tier teams would beat us. I think... Lol

[skins4life]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Do you really believe that Brownwood can beat Allen, Southlake, Coppell, or any school in Plano?

And they call Celina arrogant!

You have one 4 star player and a bunch of above average 3A players that would not play until their Senior year if at all at any top 5A school!

Do some research and you will find that the mighty Lovejoy's early success is only because they collected a bunch of kids that would not get to play for Allen and decided to get some field time.

It is a big difference fielding 60-70 out of 250-500 than having 2,000+ to pick from. The depth alone would destroy you by halftime.

I've seen Allen play and BW could "PLAY" with them all 48 minutes. ;)

[Tin Cup]

Although I did see Abilene High beat us 17-15 when Taylor Potts was a senior and I saw us beat Permian several times. And this is without question the best Brownwood team I've ever seen. I just think size and numbers from the bigger schools would win out.

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by skins4life
I've seen Allen play and BW could "PLAY" with them all 48 minutes. ;)

I have seen Brownwood play and their defense got toasted by a church school. Allen would hang 80 on them. Even Shipley would not be able to keep pace.

[OPERATOR]

Brownwood couldn't beat:

Abilene High
Euless Trinity
Katy
Klein Collins
Coppell
Aledo
Allen Tyler
Lake Travis
The Woodlands
Cedar Park


There are probably more...

[Tin Cup]

I honestly think aledo would be a great game but I'm just a homer.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Do you really believe that Brownwood can beat Allen, Southlake, Coppell, or any school in Plano?

And they call Celina arrogant!

You have one 4 star player and a bunch of above average 3A players that would not play until their Senior year if at all at any top 5A school!

Do some research and you will find that the mighty Lovejoy's early success is only because they collected a bunch of kids that would not get to play for Allen and decided to get some field time.

It is a big difference fielding 60-70 out of 250-500 than having 2,000+ to pick from. The depth alone would destroy you by halftime.

I know Brownwood would beat the bobmess out of Celina.

The poll says we would. We didn't. :D

[LionFan72]

Good to talk about over a cup of coffee, realisticly, Brownwood could not stay on the field with top 10 5A teams, yes, it would be exciting but the depth would kill us! As exhibited with the BCS, polls are usually numeriated with a bunch of people that know nothing about football. Nuff said, let's play some ball!

[Rocket]

Originally posted by LionFan72
Good to talk about over a cup of coffee, realisticly, Brownwood could not stay on the field with top 10 5A teams, yes, it would be exciting but the depth would kill us! As exhibited with the BCS, polls are usually numeriated with a bunch of people that know nothing about football. Nuff said, let's play some ball!

Agreed.

[hollywood]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I have seen Brownwood play and their defense got toasted by a church school. Allen would hang 80 on them. Even Shipley would not be able to keep pace.

Likely post from a Celina backer.:rolleyes:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by LionFan72
Good to talk about over a cup of coffee, realisticly, Brownwood could not stay on the field with top 10 5A teams, yes, it would be exciting but the depth would kill us! As exhibited with the BCS, polls are usually numeriated with a bunch of people that know nothing about football. Nuff said, let's play some ball! apparently even mentioning it pisses people off :confused:

KT vs BW would be an awesome game.

[ASUFrisbeeStud]

I think Abilene should be higher than 17th in the state. We'll see what happens in the playoffs.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I have seen Brownwood play and their defense got toasted by a church school. Allen would hang 80 on them. Even Shipley would not be able to keep pace.

Got toasted? HAHAHAHAHA I needed that laugh. Thanks.

[Tin Cup]

In my opinion our game against all saints was the worst game we've played. Too much cowboy stadium gazing and I think that's why if we get back there the game will have done us a lot of good.

[1st and goal]

This poll tells me nothing except that a bunch of Homers from CA, OH, and FL are the voters...

[skins4life]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I have seen Brownwood play and their defense got toasted by a church school. Allen would hang 80 on them. Even Shipley would not be able to keep pace.

Like I said, I watched Allen when they put 46 on Justin Northwest. I don't know his name but the RB #5 was a stud for sure. The QB and a couple of the receivers were the same. After watching BW on Friday, I think they could have put up that many and more against the same NW team. I don't know the team so I don't know if they pulled starters or not. If they did, would a been a big difference. Just saying :thinking:

[Rocket]

Originally posted by skins4life
Like I said, I watched Allen when they put 46 on Justin Northwest. I don't know his name but the RB #5 was a stud for sure. The QB and a couple of the receivers were the same. After watching BW on Friday, I think they could have put up that many and more against the same NW team. I don't know the team so I don't know if they pulled starters or not. If they did, would a been a big difference. Just saying :thinking:

Wow, skins... You aren't very ignorant anymore. I am impressed!

[Emerson1]

Bwood couldn't hang with the best team I've seen this year Copperas Cove. CC would easily be up 28 at the half.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Do you really believe that Brownwood can beat Allen, Southlake, Coppell, or any school in Plano?

And they call Celina arrogant!

You have one 4 star player and a bunch of above average 3A players that would not play until their Senior year if at all at any top 5A school!

Do some research and you will find that the mighty Lovejoy's early success is only because they collected a bunch of kids that would not get to play for Allen and decided to get some field time.

It is a big difference fielding 60-70 out of 250-500 than having 2,000+ to pick from. The depth alone would destroy you by halftime.

This poll doesn't say Brownwood could win a 5A district (although I bet there are a few we could)... obviously if we played 10 straight 5A teams depth/injuries would kill us in the end. What it says is our starters could play with their starters. Once you get deeper in to games of course a great 5A is going to beat a great 3A.

To say we are arrogant is dumb. It's a poll that's done by some sort of computer rankings who knows where. By the way, I've seen Brownwood suit up and play with the big boys of 5A. Not state championship teams but 5As who were 3-4 times our size and win. While those teams were middle of the ground 5As... we won more often than not and that was not very long ago. This team is better than any of those teams and could compete with some of the upper 5As. And I do think we would beat Aledo.

Look how close Stephenville played Aledo, Lewisville Hebron, and Mesquite Horn. Add all three of those together and they only beat Stephenville by 33. We beat Stephenville by 33. Numbers don't mean we would beat these teams, but I think this more than points out we could play with and even have a chance to win.

[hollywood]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
This poll doesn't say Brownwood could win a 5A district (although I bet there are a few we could)... obviously if we played 10 straight 5A teams depth/injuries would kill us in the end. What it says is our starters could play with their starters. Once you get deeper in to games of course a great 5A is going to beat a great 3A.

To say we are arrogant is dumb. It's a poll that's done by some sort of computer rankings who knows where. By the way, I've seen Brownwood suit up and play with the big boys of 5A. Not state championship teams but 5As who were 3-4 times our size and win. While those teams were middle of the ground 5As... we won more often than not and that was not very long ago. This team is better than any of those teams and could compete with some of the upper 5As. And I do think we would beat Aledo.

Look how close Stephenville played Aledo, Lewisville Hebron, and Mesquite Horn. Add all three of those together and they only beat Stephenville by 33. We beat Stephenville by 33. Numbers don't mean we would beat these teams, but I think this more than points out we could play with and even have a chance to win. :iagree:

[Tin Cup]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Bwood couldn't hang with the best team I've seen this year Copperas Cove. CC would easily be up 28 at the half.

Have you seen Brownwood play yet? I've seen plenty of good cove teams I know how good they are and can be.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Have you seen Brownwood play yet? I've seen plenty of good cove teams I know how good they are and can be.

He's still mad that a 4A Brownwood team with 3A numbers went 1-1 in the two years they played 4A Copperas Cove who had 5A numbers. David vs Goliath

[skins4life]

Originally posted by Rocket
Wow, skins... You aren't very ignorant anymore. I am impressed!

LOL And I new you were a funny guy and not that jerk everyone thinks you are. ;)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Bwood couldn't hang with the best team I've seen this year Copperas Cove. CC would easily be up 28 at the half.

LOL Wow

Emotional post, no doubt. Not very factual, tho...

http://brownwoodlions.com/special/ignorant.jpg

[gatordaze]

I did not say that Brownwood was arrogant, I said Rocket was arrogant and there is more than enough proof on this site to prove that.

If you have read much anything that I post, it typically is not hyperbole but has some reasonable argument behind it.

Would you agree that a top 5A team has 15-18 players that are 5A quality players starting for them? It seems that since they are a top team and they are 5A that must be true.

Now do you believe that you have any players that could start on one of these teams?

I do, clearly the 2 guys that are D1 commits could start. I bet that you might have 4-6 that are that good. That still leaves you at a 10+ player disadvantage.

Do you really believe that your 2-3 studs, 3-4 quality players and 10-15 that would be second team on a top 5 A school is going to beat a top 5A team?

I do not believe that the best Celina team ever could last more than a quarter against any top 10 5A school. If you agree with Rocket on this, you me be arrogant as well.

[Old Tiger]

Brownwood only chance would be against Flower Mound and Kirbyville

[hollywood]

Of course polls are basically just for arguments sake. BUT, I know Aledo would have a very tough time beating this BW team. I've watched Aledo twice this year and BW would win by 21-28 points. Against a 5A like Katy or ET, different story. Their size and depth would eventually beat down the starters, especially the boys in the trenches. I do think that BW could hang for about 2-3 quarters though, just based on athletic ability alone. The speed and tempo of the game BW plays with is flat out amazing.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I did not say that Brownwood was arrogant, I said Rocket was arrogant and there is more than enough proof on this site to prove that.

If you have read much anything that I post, it typically is not hyperbole but has some reasonable argument behind it.

Would you agree that a top 5A team has 15-18 players that are 5A quality players starting for them? It seems that since they are a top team and they are 5A that must be true.

Now do you believe that you have any players that could start on one of these teams?

I do, clearly the 2 guys that are D1 commits could start. I bet that you might have 4-6 that are that good. That still leaves you at a 10+ player disadvantage.

Do you really believe that your 2-3 studs, 3-4 quality players and 10-15 that would be second team on a top 5 A school is going to beat a top 5A team?

I do not believe that the best Celina team ever could last more than a quarter against any top 10 5A school. If you agree with Rocket on this, you me be arrogant as well.

Whoa whoa whoa...

Who knows for sure? and who cares? I would not say Brownwood would be a Top 10 5A or beat them. I am a BIG believer in the Upper Classifications being at a HUGE advantage. I have made no mistake about that. I say 3A is inferior as a whole compared to 4A.

In 4A, there are about 10-12 very good teams every year. In 3A, there are about 6-8. And in 5A, it is even more.

I don't think the best Celina team could last a quarter with the 2010 Brownwood Team. How about that?

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I did not say that Brownwood was arrogant, I said Rocket was arrogant and there is more than enough proof on this site to prove that.

If you have read much anything that I post, it typically is not hyperbole but has some reasonable argument behind it.

Would you agree that a top 5A team has 15-18 players that are 5A quality players starting for them? It seems that since they are a top team and they are 5A that must be true.

Now do you believe that you have any players that could start on one of these teams?

I do, clearly the 2 guys that are D1 commits could start. I bet that you might have 4-6 that are that good. That still leaves you at a 10+ player disadvantage.

Do you really believe that your 2-3 studs, 3-4 quality players and 10-15 that would be second team on a top 5 A school is going to beat a top 5A team?

I do not believe that the best Celina team ever could last more than a quarter against any top 10 5A school. If you agree with Rocket on this, you me be arrogant as well.

"you me be arrogant as well"... are you saying I'm arrogant or you're arrogant? It's hard to determine when the word me follows the word you.

What I was saying is I believe we could hang with some of the upper teams (did not say top 10) in 5A for a given amount of time. Once you got deeper in to the game it's obvious our lack of depth could cause a big problem. We could however play with anyone in the top 10 in 4A... maybe not beat them but play with them... I do think we would have the capability to beat them though.

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
"you me be arrogant as well"... are you saying I'm arrogant or you're arrogant? It's hard to determine when the word me follows the word you.

What I was saying is I believe we could hang with some of the upper teams (did not say top 10) in 5A for a given amount of time. Once you got deeper in to the game it's obvious our lack of depth could cause a big problem. We could however play with anyone in the top 10 in 4A... maybe not beat them but play with them... I do think we would have the capability to beat them though.

Sorry Mrs. Spalding, I promise to take more care with my next term paper.

BTW, I am definitely arrogant because I live in the Mecca of Texas High School Football!

We are the Boys of Fall after all!;)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
"you me be arrogant as well"... are you saying I'm arrogant or you're arrogant? It's hard to determine when the word me follows the word you.

What I was saying is I believe we could hang with some of the upper teams (did not say top 10) in 5A for a given amount of time. Once you got deeper in to the game it's obvious our lack of depth could cause a big problem. We could however play with anyone in the top 10 in 4A... maybe not beat them but play with them... I do think we would have the capability to beat them though.

It is useless to argue with these people. I mean, it isn't like we haven't seen some of the best teams in 4A recently and beat them. LOL Brownwood fans are watching this 2010 team and saying this is BY FAR the best team we have ever seen Brownwood field. We know what 4A football is about and we know what this Brownwood team could do if they were 4A. Being in 3A with this team just isn't fair, but that's life. LOL

[Rocket]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Sorry Mrs. Spalding, I promise to take more care with my next term paper.

BTW, I am definitely arrogant because I live in the Mecca of Texas High School Football!

We are the Boys of Fall after all!;)

You used to be.... ;) Way back in the Class B and 2A days...

That Boys of Fall crap is already outplayed and dumb. Chesney found a way to make money on football. LOL and you bought into it.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by Rocket
It is useless to argue with these people. I mean, it isn't like we haven't seen some of the best teams in 4A recently and beat them. LOL Brownwood fans are watching this 2010 team and saying this is BY FAR the best team we have ever seen Brownwood field. We know what 4A football is about and we know what this Brownwood team could do if they were 4A. Being in 3A with this team just isn't fair, but that's life. LOL

Exactly, although Celina has played and beaten one 4A lately... I think it was Arlington Heights (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The Mason Punchers would beat them.

[Tin Cup]

Teams don't see the light til after they play us. They think they have a chance then look up and we have 50 points. After they are say ok now I get why Brownwood fans are so excited. Ask Snyder, Stephenville, China Spring, etc. Same story every week.

[hollywood]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I did not say that Brownwood was arrogant, I said Rocket was arrogant and there is more than enough proof on this site to prove that.

If you have read much anything that I post, it typically is not hyperbole but has some reasonable argument behind it.

Would you agree that a top 5A team has 15-18 players that are 5A quality players starting for them? It seems that since they are a top team and they are 5A that must be true.

Now do you believe that you have any players that could start on one of these teams?

I do, clearly the 2 guys that are D1 commits could start. I bet that you might have 4-6 that are that good. That still leaves you at a 10+ player disadvantage.

Do you really believe that your 2-3 studs, 3-4 quality players and 10-15 that would be second team on a top 5 A school is going to beat a top 5A team?

I do not believe that the best Celina team ever could last more than a quarter against any top 10 5A school. If you agree with Rocket on this, you me be arrogant as well.

I would agree that 5A schools have more top tier players overall and that's based on simply having a larger player pool to choose from. And that adds to those teams the depth in which they can play with. Although, from time to time, a 4A and even a 3A team will have a talented "special group" come through where there will be an above average number of top tier players. The 2010 Brownwood team has that special group this year. Everyone has known since these kids were very young, that it would be one of those groups. They just have the "it" factor. I will tell you that 11-12 players on this years Lions team would start for a top 5A team. That is based on athletic ability and talent, not just size and how good they would look in a 5A program booklet. But, we will never know for certain.

Cheers!

[OPERATOR]

Originally posted by Rocket
Whoa whoa whoa...

Who knows for sure? and who cares? I would not say Brownwood would be a Top 10 5A or beat them. I am a BIG believer in the Upper Classifications being at a HUGE advantage. I have made no mistake about that. I say 3A is inferior as a whole compared to 4A.

In 4A, there are about 10-12 very good teams every year. In 3A, there are about 6-8. And in 5A, it is even more.

I don't think the best Celina team could last a quarter with the 2010 Brownwood Team. How about that?


The 2007 Celina team would have took Brownwood out. Thats a fact. They blew up in your face play after play until the last snap. Mr. Lavey would have done a good job on containing Shipley.

[Tin Cup]

This is not fact it's opinion. This is like me saying 2010 Brownwood would dominate 83 daingerfield. Fun to talk about but nothing factual in any way possible. Sorry

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
Exactly, although Celina has played and beaten one 4A lately... I think it was Arlington Heights (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The Mason Punchers would beat them.

Actually we beat 4A Whitehouse last season 45-16 They are currently Maxpreps #10 in the State of Texas! We beat them with what most of you call Celina's worst team in decades.

Maxpreps is just a mathematical formula.

[ccmom]

Originally posted by hollywood


Cheers! I'll drink to that! :D

[BleedOrange]

SInce we are talking about the MaxPrep poll Celina was ranked higher than Brownwood now and they were only 2A. 2005 Celina would take Brownwood to the shed without a doubt.

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by OPERATOR
The 2007 Celina team would have took Brownwood out. Thats a fact. They blew up in your face play after play until the last snap. Mr. Lavey would have done a good job on containing Shipley.

Right team, wrong guy, Caleb could not cover Shipley. D'Anton Lynn could. He is currently the starting corner for Penn State and will probably play on Sundays like his dad.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Maxpreps is just a mathematical formula.

Yep, that's pretty much what I said in my first post on this subject. It's some sort of computer rankings done who knows where. It basically is calculating strength of schedule, wins, losses and margin of victory. I've been watching our place in it since about the 2nd or 3rd week. It is an awesome website though for scores/schedules of all sports. Membership is free on their site too.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by OPERATOR
The 2007 Celina team would have took Brownwood out. Thats a fact. They blew up in your face play after play until the last snap. Mr. Lavey would have done a good job on containing Shipley.

And 2005 was better than 2007 in my opinion.

[hollywood]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
SInce we are talking about the MaxPrep poll Celina was ranked higher than Brownwood now and they were only 2A. 2005 Celina would take Brownwood to the shed without a doubt.

Awesome. It's good to know your opinion! That's about all we got in this debate. Opinion after opinion.

Tink, cheers again!;)

[hollywood]

Originally posted by ccmom
I'll drink to that! :D

"Tink", cheers to you too! lol

[Rocket]

Originally posted by OPERATOR
The 2007 Celina team would have took Brownwood out. Thats a fact. They blew up in your face play after play until the last snap. Mr. Lavey would have done a good job on containing Shipley.

Just because they beat your One Hit Wonder football team like a dog doesn't mean they would stop Brownwood.

[OPERATOR]

Won't ever know lol but it's cool to think about.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by hollywood
Awesome. It's good to know your opinion! That's about all we got in this debate. Opinion after opinion.

Tink, cheers again!;)

Yes but my opinion is worth more than yours. :devil:

[Rocket]

Let's talk about now. Brownwood 2010 wins.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Yes but my opinion is worth more than yours. :devil:

You have a Class B Opinion.

[hollywood]

Originally posted by Rocket
You have a Class B Opinion.

LOL. Yes he does, oh my, that is so true!

[hollywood]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Yes but my opinion is worth more than yours. :devil:

Yep, another opinion. Again, cheers!;)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Teams don't see the light til after they play us. They think they have a chance then look up and we have 50 points. After they are say ok now I get why Brownwood fans are so excited. Ask Snyder, Stephenville, China Spring, etc. Same story every week.

Brilliant.

[skins4life]

Originally posted by hollywood
Yep, another opinion. Again, cheers!;)

You better slow down or you won't be able to read any more post.:D :D :D

[Rocket]

Originally posted by skins4life
You better slow down or you won't be able to read any more post.:D :D :D

http://brownwoodlions.com/special/ignorant.jpg

[Tin Cup]

Rocket called me brilliant. OH GREAT!!! :D

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by hollywood
LOL. Yes he does, oh my, that is so true!

You Brownwood boys are pretty funny with your silly retorts. Rocket must have really reached full mental capacity in coming up with that one. :rolleyes:

[Phil C]

This first out could be important. But still Beware of the Yankee power.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by Phil C
This first out could be important. But still Beware of the Yankee power.

wrong thread? lol

[turbostud]

Does this mean Brownwood is going to schedule Abilene High etc. next re-alignment?

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by turbostud
Does this mean Brownwood is going to schedule Abilene High etc. next re-alignment?

Dumbest post on this entire thread. Then again you're from the Valley and have no idea what a good high school football team looks like.

You could look at our history and see we have played them in the last 10 years (when we were 4A). Got blown out by them a few years ago, then lost to them by 2 the year they almost knocked of SLC.

[OPERATOR]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
This is not fact it's opinion. This is like me saying 2010 Brownwood would dominate 83 daingerfield. Fun to talk about but nothing factual in any way possible. Sorry



This thread isn't factual

[orange machine]

Here is the bottom line the absolute best teams in the state in 3a in D1 is Celina followed by Lovejoy. In D2 Brownwood followed by Arygle. All of these teams are awsome and I would hate to face any of them in the playoffs. I dont beleive any of these four teams could blow the other out! I expect the Celina Lovejoy game if both teams make it that far to be a cat fight. The Brownwood Argyle game will be a fight, but i dont know what you call it. Either way I dont think, but 14 points seperates these top teams.

[OPERATOR]

Originally posted by orange machine
Here is the bottom line the absolute best teams in the state in 3a in D1 is Celina followed by Lovejoy. In D2 Brownwood followed by Arygle. All of these teams are awsome and I would hate to face any of them in the playoffs. I dont beleive any of these four teams could blow the other out! I expect the Celina Lovejoy game if both teams make it that far to be a cat fight. The Brownwood Argyle game will be a fight, but i dont know what you call it. Either way I dont think, but 14 points seperates these top teams.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Gsquared]

Originally posted by OPERATOR
Brownwood couldn't beat:

Abilene High
Euless Trinity
Katy
Klein Collins
Coppell
Aledo
Allen Tyler
Lake Travis
The Woodlands
Cedar Park


There are probably more...
I think Brownwood could beat Aledo, but Coppell, not so much.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Do you really believe that Brownwood can beat Allen, Southlake, Coppell, or any school in Plano?

And they call Celina arrogant!

You have one 4 star player and a bunch of above average 3A players that would not play until their Senior year if at all at any top 5A school!

Do some research and you will find that the mighty Lovejoy's early success is only because they collected a bunch of kids that would not get to play for Allen and decided to get some field time.

It is a big difference fielding 60-70 out of 250-500 than having 2,000+ to pick from. The depth alone would destroy you by halftime.


it was my understanding that LoveJoy sent some pretty good ball players to Allen before the split.

[5wide]

decatur '04 would give bwood all they would wan't

[HeavyD]

So far, every time Bwd plays a good apponent, everyone on here says "Oh, this team can do this, or that, and they will slow bwd down for this reason or that reason", and then we have to hear how if brownwood wins it will be a good game and we will only win by 14. Then when bwd wins by 40 like every other game, they start blaming turnovers or whatever. Bwd just played a team that's been putting up big numbers out of a spread and they came out the first quarter in the "I", to try to chew up the clock. That didn't work either. As for 4a and 5a teams, who really cares even though its fun to talk about. I do want to see a good 3a team compete with brownwood, but I'm not sure it will happen this yr.

[warpig]

While the ranking is flattering for Brownwood, it seems to be more of a distraction than anything else. Just a bunch of number crunching pundits putting something out there for entertainment value. Nothing else!

Good thing Brownwood is open this week.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by warpig
While the ranking is flattering for Brownwood, it seems to be more of a distraction than anything else. Just a bunch of number crunching pundits putting something out there for entertainment value. Nothing else!

Good thing Brownwood is open this week.

We were ranked 42nd last week.

[ccmom]

Originally posted by HeavyD
So far, every time Bwd plays a good apponent, everyone on here says "Oh, this team can do this, or that, and they will slow bwd down for this reason or that reason", and then we have to hear how if brownwood wins it will be a good game and we will only win by 14. Then when bwd wins by 40 like every other game, they start blaming turnovers or whatever. Bwd just played a team that's been putting up big numbers out of a spread and they came out the first quarter in the "I", to try to chew up the clock. That didn't work either. As for 4a and 5a teams, who really cares even though its fun to talk about. I do want to see a good 3a team compete with brownwood, but I'm not sure it will happen this yr.

I'm pretty sure every team y'all have played has responded by saying they were outplayed, etc. Maybe you just have a selective memory. :rolleyes:

[warpig]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
We were ranked 42nd last week.
I am a Bwd fan. I just think this ranking has more entertainment value than validity.

[HeavyD]

Originally posted by ccmom
I'm pretty sure every team y'all have played has responded by saying they were outplayed, etc. Maybe you just have a selective memory. :rolleyes:

Ur probably right on both accounts:p

[BwdLion73]

Originally posted by warpig
While the ranking is flattering for Brownwood, it seems to be more of a distraction than anything else. Just a bunch of number crunching pundits putting something out there for entertainment value. Nothing else!

Good thing Brownwood is open this week.

There are a lot of teams that are glad we are open this week.

:2thumbsup :devil: ;)

[ccmom]

Originally posted by HeavyD
Ur probably right on both accounts:p

Stay in that frame of mind and we'll get along just fine! :D ;)

[Trashman]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
The Mason Punchers would beat them. :clap: :thumbsup:

[MoveInDad]

How can a ranking of Texas programs have ANY validity when it includes a team from Tulsa, OK (#15 Holland Hall). Whitehouse is #10 at 5-2, a year after getting humiliated by an average team in Celina?! Only rankings within each classification come close to having any meaning, and that's only for the entertainment value and for arguments sake. If the playoffs were based on a process of 'seeding', or led to a 'home-field' advantage then fair enough. Only the playoffs will determine who is #1... sort of, but that's a beef for another thread. Perhaps I'll start that one now.
cheers

[Rocket]

Originally posted by warpig
I am a Bwd fan. I just think this ranking has more entertainment value than validity.

Not in this case. Brownwood defines the #1 Ranking in 3A, not the other way around.

Rankings, no matter what, this late in the season, are usually earned.

Also, when was the last time Brownwood turned the ball over? haha VERY GOOD BROWNWOOD TEAM.

[warpig]

Originally posted by Rocket
Not in this case. Brownwood defines the #1 Ranking, not the other way around.

Also, when was the last time Brownwood turned the ball over? haha VERY GOOD BROWNWOOD TEAM.
I didn't say they didn't deserve the #1 ranking in 3A you doofus. I meant the #3 ranking in Texas.:doh:

[WildTexan972]

Originally posted by Rocket
Whoa whoa whoa...

Who knows for sure? and who cares? I would not say Brownwood would be a Top 10 5A or beat them. I am a BIG believer in the Upper Classifications being at a HUGE advantage. I have made no mistake about that. I say 3A is inferior as a whole compared to 4A.

In 4A, there are about 10-12 very good teams every year. In 3A, there are about 6-8. And in 5A, it is even more.

I don't think the best Celina team could last a quarter with the 2010 Brownwood Team. How about that?


Several Celina teams could play with any of your UglyMaroon teams from any years you pick....you guys are hilarious however - you have a very good team about once each 25 years and you act like Maroon invented football....once the old man left you guys have mostly been afterthoughts each season as proven by the RESULTS and not by the polls....


if you can't win 8 you ain't that great....learn it - live it.....

[Rocket]

Originally posted by orange machine
Here is the bottom line the absolute best teams in the state in 3a in D1 is Celina followed by Lovejoy. In D2 Brownwood followed by Arygle. All of these teams are awsome and I would hate to face any of them in the playoffs. I dont beleive any of these four teams could blow the other out! I expect the Celina Lovejoy game if both teams make it that far to be a cat fight. The Brownwood Argyle game will be a fight, but i dont know what you call it. Either way I dont think, but 14 points seperates these top teams.

I believe Brownwood could blow all three of these teams out, especially Celina. That is how good they are.

[warpig]

Originally posted by WildTexan972
Several Celina teams could play with any of your UglyMaroon teams from any years you pick....you guys are hilarious however - you have a very good team about once each 25 years and you act like Maroon invented football....once the old man left you guys have mostly been afterthoughts each season as proven by the RESULTS and not by the polls....


if you can't win 8 you ain't that great....learn it - live it.....
How many years have ya'll played in 4A?
How many years in B?

Just saying.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by WildTexan972
Several Celina teams could play with any of your UglyMaroon teams from any years you pick....you guys are hilarious however - you have a very good team about once each 25 years and you act like Maroon invented football....once the old man left you guys have mostly been afterthoughts each season as proven by the RESULTS and not by the polls....


if you can't win 8 you ain't that great....learn it - live it.....

No, they couldn't. We didn't invent football, we are football. Celina is a wanna be Brownwood. And once the old man left you guys, you still played in 3A, we were up with the Big Boys. Sorry, 3A and 4A are 2 different worlds...Don't compare Brownwood to Celina. There is no comparison. If we had been 3A all this time, we would have 10-12 Championships by now, and if we were in 2A, oh my dear lord we would have had 30 Championships by now.

WHEN we win 8, Celina ain't that great.

[Rocket]

I can't find Celina in either one of these polls... LOL

[MoveInDad]

Originally posted by Rocket
No, they couldn't. We didn't invent football, we are football. Celina is a wanna be Brownwood. And once the old man left you guys, you still played in 3A, we were up with the Big Boys. Sorry, 3A and 4A are 2 different worlds...Don't compare Brownwood to Celina. There is no comparison. If we had been 3A all this time, we would have 10-12 Championships by now, and if we were in 2A, oh my dear lord we would have had 30 Championships by now.

WHEN we win 8, Celina ain't that great.
Oh my dear lord, why did you not give the UIL the wisdom to NOT create 2 divisions within each classification, separating these 2 teams and they're oh so proud, and sometimes obnoxious fans?

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by MoveInDad
Oh my dear lord, why did you not give the UIL the wisdom to NOT create 2 divisions within each classification, separating these 2 teams and they're oh so proud, and sometimes obnoxious fans? +1

[Rocket]

Originally posted by MoveInDad
Oh my dear lord, why did you not give the UIL the wisdom to NOT create 2 divisions within each classification, separating these 2 teams and they're oh so proud, and sometimes obnoxious fans?

+1

[50 yard line fan]

Here's some more fuel for the fire...

Found this on

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/oct/18/check-out-no-1-brownwood-while-you-still-can/?partner=RSS


About once every decade, a classification produces a team that is so dominant, it defies description.

How can you tell when you’re watching one of them?

Easy.

Use the word “great” as a litmus test, and apply it to the team in question. If it falls short, you’re witnessing a ballclub that has the potential to make history.

Eight weeks into the season, it has become obvious that the 2010 Brownwood Lions are one of “those” teams.

That notion has been apparent to the people in Brownwood for more than a month, but it took me a while to catch up.

I fought the urge to admit it to myself when I watched the Lions tear up a likely 4A playoff team from Stephenville (49-16) on Sept. 10.

I remained in denial when the Lions beat one of the state’s top 3A programs, China Spring, 65-14. And I scoffed when they destroyed one of the state’s best private school teams, FW ALL Saints Episcopal, 59-13.

Snyder, I reasoned, would be the game that demonstrated just how good Brownwood really is. Prior to last week, the Tigers had won five straight games, they were averaging nearly 50 points per contest, they have one of the area’s best quarterbacks in Keenon Ward and they were at home.

Final score: Brownwood 61, Snyder 20.

I’m over my denial.

The word “great” suddenly looks like a gross understatement when discussing what the Lions have done thus far. In fact, I’m more tempted to use the word “frightening” for a team that has beaten eight opponents by an average tally of 55-15, and six of those eight opponents have winning records.

It’s not as if coach Bob Shipley lined up a row of pre-district fritters for the Lions to eat. They have obliterated one good football team after another.

Can Brownwood be beaten? Of course.

Any team is beatable if it beats itself, and a sudden rash of mistakes might be the only way this year’s Lions suffer a blemish.

But I wouldn’t count on that happening.

I’ve seen top-ranked 4A Aledo play this year. And honestly, in a straight-up, one-game fight on a neutral field against Brownwood, I’d take the Lions in a heartbeat.

Yes, they’re that good.

[Tin Cup]

Celina would be an after thought in 4A. We respect Celina because they have a winning tradition but if they were ever in 4A they'd understand what we are talking about. 2A titles are won just like 5A. But the difference is the level of competition at the top. The thing people hate is that Brownwood and rocket came to 3a thinking it would be easier to win titles than 4A. We may be right only time will tell.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by 50 yard line fan
Here's some more fuel for the fire...

Found this on

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/oct/18/check-out-no-1-brownwood-while-you-still-can/?partner=RSS


About once every decade, a classification produces a team that is so dominant, it defies description.

How can you tell when you’re watching one of them?

Easy.

Use the word “great” as a litmus test, and apply it to the team in question. If it falls short, you’re witnessing a ballclub that has the potential to make history.

Eight weeks into the season, it has become obvious that the 2010 Brownwood Lions are one of “those” teams.

That notion has been apparent to the people in Brownwood for more than a month, but it took me a while to catch up.

I fought the urge to admit it to myself when I watched the Lions tear up a likely 4A playoff team from Stephenville (49-16) on Sept. 10.

I remained in denial when the Lions beat one of the state’s top 3A programs, China Spring, 65-14. And I scoffed when they destroyed one of the state’s best private school teams, FW ALL Saints Episcopal, 59-13.

Snyder, I reasoned, would be the game that demonstrated just how good Brownwood really is. Prior to last week, the Tigers had won five straight games, they were averaging nearly 50 points per contest, they have one of the area’s best quarterbacks in Keenon Ward and they were at home.

Final score: Brownwood 61, Snyder 20.

I’m over my denial.

The word “great” suddenly looks like a gross understatement when discussing what the Lions have done thus far. In fact, I’m more tempted to use the word “frightening” for a team that has beaten eight opponents by an average tally of 55-15, and six of those eight opponents have winning records.

It’s not as if coach Bob Shipley lined up a row of pre-district fritters for the Lions to eat. They have obliterated one good football team after another.

Can Brownwood be beaten? Of course.

Any team is beatable if it beats itself, and a sudden rash of mistakes might be the only way this year’s Lions suffer a blemish.

But I wouldn’t count on that happening.

I’ve seen top-ranked 4A Aledo play this year. And honestly, in a straight-up, one-game fight on a neutral field against Brownwood, I’d take the Lions in a heartbeat.

Yes, they’re that good.

Hey 3A...:D

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Celina would be an after thought in 4A. We respect Celina because they have a winning tradition but if they were ever in 4A they'd understand what we are talking about. 2A titles are won just like 5A. But the difference is the level of competition at the top. The thing people hate is that Brownwood and rocket came to 3a thinking it would be easier to win titles than 4A. We may be right only time will tell.

Celina would be a whipping boy in 4A.

[WildTexan972]

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Celina would be an after thought in 4A. We respect Celina because they have a winning tradition but if they were ever in 4A they'd understand what we are talking about. 2A titles are won just like 5A. But the difference is the level of competition at the top. The thing people hate is that Brownwood and rocket came to 3a thinking it would be easier to win titles than 4A. We may be right only time will tell.


so remind me again how many titles Maroon won at the 4A level.....don't give me those "but we made the 3rd round" copouts - how many titles?



I thought so.....



no one sits around talkin about UglyMaroon football from their gigantic success at the 4A level while they were up there....no one other than the guys at the Early DQ.....

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Rocket
Celina would be a whipping boy in 4A.

The voice of experience :D....You're lovin' 3A right now, Rocket--one good season a dynasty does not make...

[Tin Cup]

Call me crazy but I love the target on our chest. I embrace being the best because every team we play wants to knock us off. This makes us raise our level of play each week. I'll be the first to admit that if Brownwood doesn't win it all I'd be in shock and slightly devastated lol

[Tin Cup]

Originally posted by WildTexan972
so remind me again how many titles Maroon won at the 4A level.....don't give me those "but we made the 3rd round" copouts - how many titles?



I thought so.....



no one sits around talkin about UglyMaroon football from their gigantic success at the 4A level while they were up there....no one other than the guys at the Early DQ.....

I never said anything about our success in 4A. I firmly believe we would have at least 1 or 2 more stars had we been in 3A the last 10 years.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
Exactly, although Celina has played and beaten one 4A lately... I think it was Arlington Heights (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The Mason Punchers would beat them.


Hey the Mason Punchers are good.....saw they cracked the AP top ten.

[MoveInDad]

Originally posted by Rocket
Hey 3A...:D
That 'reporter' on that story, in an Abilene paper (homer), was a construction worker in AZ until 2001... *** does he know about TX high school football. :p

[ronwx5x]

Originally posted by HeavyD
I do want to see a good 3a team compete with brownwood, but I'm not sure it will happen this yr.

Brownwood is very, very good this year. Maybe even better than many 4A teams. That does not, however, mean there are no good 3A teams, sir!:(

[RoyceTTU]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
Brownwood is very, very good this year. Maybe even better than many 4A teams. That does not, however, mean there are no good 3A teams, sir!:(

You took it out of context. He said he wanted to see a good team COMPETE with brownwood and that might not happen.


He didn't say there wern't good 3a teams.

[ronwx5x]

Originally posted by HeavyD
So far, every time Bwd plays a good apponent, everyone on here says "Oh, this team can do this, or that, and they will slow bwd down for this reason or that reason", and then we have to hear how if brownwood wins it will be a good game and we will only win by 14. Then when bwd wins by 40 like every other game, they start blaming turnovers or whatever. Bwd just played a team that's been putting up big numbers out of a spread and they came out the first quarter in the "I", to try to chew up the clock. That didn't work either. As for 4a and 5a teams, who really cares even though its fun to talk about. I do want to see a good 3a team compete with brownwood, but I'm not sure it will happen this yr.

Ok, so here's the whole thing, in context. It still says the same thing with the same intent. I give Brownwood all the kudos they deserve, but the fans? Not so much sometimes!:rolleyes:

[RoyceTTU]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
Ok, so here's the whole thing, in context. It still says the same thing with the same intent. I give Brownwood all the kudos they deserve, but the fans? Not so much sometimes!:rolleyes:

Being a good 3a team and competing with Brownwood are two different things.

Do we think our team is head and shoulders above all other 3a teams: Sure we do, probably as much as you think the same of your team.

Do we think there are good 3a teams: Sure we do


Two different staments.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Rocket
No, they couldn't. We didn't invent football, we are football. Celina is a wanna be Brownwood. And once the old man left you guys, you still played in 3A, we were up with the Big Boys. Sorry, 3A and 4A are 2 different worlds...Don't compare Brownwood to Celina. There is no comparison. If we had been 3A all this time, we would have 10-12 Championships by now, and if we were in 2A, oh my dear lord we would have had 30 Championships by now.

WHEN we win 8, Celina ain't that great.

Why do you always refer to what you could have done had you been in a different classification? That could be one of the stupidest arguments you have ever made. That's like saying if Celina was playing 1A they would have 30 championships. The classification you play in is based upon the size of your school and as such you would be expected to succeed if you played in a lower classification. Your analogies a silly and irrelevent. Brownwood hasn't taken home the trophy in its classification for approximately 30 years. While no one doubts Brownwood has a fine football team this year, but your continued bashing of the quality of 3A is a bit trying.

[bwdlionfan]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Why do you always refer to what you could have done had you been in a different classification? That could be one of the stupidest arguments you have ever made. That's like saying if Celina was playing 1A they would have 30 championships. The classification you play in is based upon the size of your school and as such you would be expected to succeed if you played in a lower classification. Your analogies a silly and irrelevent. Brownwood hasn't taken home the trophy in its classification for approximately 30 years. While no one doubts Brownwood has a fine football team this year, but your continued bashing of the quality of 3A is a bit trying.

I agree with you what you said, but I also know what Rocket is trying to say.

Basically we played at the bottom end of 4A for a very long time. Infact we often had teams in our district where we were half the size of the next smallest team. We still found success, just not titles (semi finals in 03, qtr finals in 07... numerous trips to the 2nd round and a few trips to the 3rd round). Celina did play at the top of 2A for a good while. You guys moved to 3A and have shown you can compete with a low 3A enrollment. Competing in 3A at a low enrollment is a little easier than competing in 4A at a low enrollment. And you guys rocked Class B when you were in it!

A school with 350 more students than Celina would find themselves in 4A and Celina wouldn't have to worry about them. When we were in 4A, a team with 350 more students than us still was smaller than the next smallest school in our district. Often times we had enrollments of 950-1000 and had teams with 1,800-2,000+... yes I know the cut off was not 2,000... yet that last year when we played Copperas Cove they were over 2,000 (that's why they are 5A now).

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by bwdlionfan
I agree with you what you said, but I also know what Rocket is trying to say.

Basically we played at the bottom end of 4A for a very long time. Infact we often had teams in our district where we were half the size of the next smallest team. We still found success, just not titles (semi finals in 03, qtr finals in 07... numerous trips to the 2nd round and a few trips to the 3rd round). Celina did play at the top of 2A for a good while. You guys moved to 3A and have shown you can compete with a low 3A enrollment. Competing in 3A at a low enrollment is a little easier than competing in 4A at a low enrollment. And you guys rocked Class B when you were in it!

A school with 350 more students than Celina would find themselves in 4A and Celina wouldn't have to worry about them. When we were in 4A, a team with 350 more students than us still was smaller than the next smallest school in our district. Often times we had enrollments of 950-1000 and had teams with 1,800-2,000+... yes I know the cut off was not 2,000... yet that last year when we played Copperas Cove they were over 2,000 (that's why they are 5A now).

Actually, Celina will be playing shools close to twice its size this year in the playoffs. Celina has continually been succeful against schools substantially larger regardless of its classification. With all due respect, Rocket is just making another excuse for Brownwood's failure to win a championship over the last 30 years. He shouldn't have to make excuses but he finds it necessary. Brownwood has a fine tradition and a fine team this year nobody disputes that. I guess he is trying for some validation.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Rocket
You used to be.... ;) Way back in the Class B and 2A days...

That Boys of Fall crap is already outplayed and dumb. Chesney found a way to make money on football. LOL and you bought into it.

Bad as you would hate to admit it, Rocket---Celina has Brownwood matched in titles, tradition, and record so far this season--and that ain't playing any favorites, either.

[Rocket]

I love ticking you people off. :)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Bad as you would hate to admit it, Rocket---Celina has Brownwood matched in titles, tradition, and record so far this season--and that ain't playing any favorites, either.

That may be true, but Brownwood would beat Celina like they've beat every other team. Too bad the Celina coaches didn't want none.

[ccmom]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Actually, Celina will be playing shools close to twice its size this year in the playoffs. Celina has continually been succeful against schools substantially larger regardless of its classification. With all due respect, Rocket is just making another excuse for Brownwood's failure to win a championship over the last 30 years. He shouldn't have to make excuses but he finds it necessary. Brownwood has a fine tradition and a fine team this year nobody disputes that. I guess he is trying for some validation.

Maybe he should change his screen name...

"looking4validation"....kinda catchy, don't ya think? :thinking: :p

[jockcity33]

how can a poll listing the top 25 teams in Texas have any validity with a team from Tulsa, Oklahoma listed at 15?

[Tin Cup]

Maybe Tulsa pleaded to get out of Oklahoma and into Texas :thinking:

[defense51]

It's a power rating, regardless of classification.

[jockcity33]

Originally posted by defense51
It's a power rating, regardless of classification.

That still does not help the validation of the poll, when they put a team from another state in with the top 25 from Texas.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by ccmom
Maybe he should change his screen name...

"looking4validation"....kinda catchy, don't ya think? :thinking: :p

I think that would be very appropropriate. Its been a long wait for the poor fellow.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by ccmom
Maybe he should change his screen name...

"looking4validation"....kinda catchy, don't ya think? :thinking: :p

My problem is comparing 2A Championships to 4A Championships. And yes, we have 1 4A SC. You cannot compare the 2. You cannot say, "hey look what Celina did in 2A and why hasn't Brownwood done anything in 4A?" Night and day. But what we can do is look at 3A. :) And Celina is nowhere near Brownwood on the 3A level and in 3A accomplishments. Doesn't matter when it happened. The past is the past. Last year, 10 years ago, 30 years ago. All those players from Celina are long gone and so are Brownwood's. Oh and we can look at now, as well. Brownwood back on top. Brownwood is #1 and Celina is #2 and that gap is a very wide one between the 2 spots. ;)

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Rocket
My problem is comparing 2A Championships to 4A Championships. And yes, we have 1 4A SC. You cannot compare the 2. You cannot say, "hey look what Celina did in 2A and why hasn't Brownwood done anything in 4A?" Night and day. But what we can do is look at 3A. :) And Celina is nowhere near Brownwood on the 3A level and in 3A accomplishments. Doesn't matter when it happened. The past is the past. Last year, 10 years ago, 30 years ago. All those players from Celina are long gone and so are Brownwood's. Oh and we can look at now, as well. Brownwood back on top. Brownwood is #1 and Celina is #2 and that gap is a very wide one between the 2 spots. ;)

Rocket--Did it ever occur to you that the enrollments of some of those 4A teams that Brownwood was playing in their title years were probably pretty similar to the 2A schools that Celina was playing during theirs in the later years?

[jockcity33]

I haven't seen either team play. But no doubt they are both good teams, consisting of 16, 17, and 18 year old kids. You are guys are talking about them like they are paid players that live only for football. You are actually making yourselves look like idiots, that live through the highschool football team. Let the kids play the games and the adults go watch the games, and praise the kids for doing something they love to do. Instead of getting on here and blowing smoke about how our SC's are better than yours because ours has 4 A's by them iinstead of 2. Crap you guys were probably in the stands playing the trombone while you were in High school.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Rocket--Did it ever occur to you that the enrollments of some of those 4A teams that Brownwood was playing in their title years were probably pretty similar to the 2A schools that Celina was playing during theirs in the later years?

Um no..We won 6 of our titles in 3A. And 2A does not even come close to the 4A level.

Brownwood owns Celina in 3A accomplishments. Let's get RELEVANT people. Class B and 2A is cute, though. ;)

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Rocket--Did it ever occur to you that the enrollments of some of those 4A teams that Brownwood was playing in their title years were probably pretty similar to the 2A schools that Celina was playing during theirs in the later years?

Excellent point. I think this information is probably available. Rocket will likely have some sort of theory related to championships had more meaning when you didn't have face masks.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by jockcity33
I haven't seen either team play. But no doubt they are both good teams, consisting of 16, 17, and 18 year old kids. You are guys are talking about them like they are paid players that live only for football. You are actually making yourselves look like idiots, that live through the highschool football team. Let the kids play the games and the adults go watch the games, and praise the kids for doing something they love to do. Instead of getting on here and blowing smoke about how our SC's are better than yours because ours has 4 A's by them iinstead of 2. Crap you guys were probably in the stands playing the trombone while you were in High school.

Ft. Stockton? You wouldn't understand.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Rocket
Um no..We won 6 of our titles in 3A. And 2A does not even come close to the 4A level.

Brownwood owns Celina in 3A accomplishments. Let's get RELEVANT people. Class B and 2A is cute, though. ;)

O.k--even more relevant-the 3A's of yesteryear were probably not that much bigger schools than the 2A's of the present. So how was the competition that much better?

[Rocket]

Let's talk about now. We can move on from the past. Since that is all Celina and Brownwood has as of right now.

Since Brownwood has dropped to 3A...(RELEVANCE TO 3A)

2008: Brownwood went 3-7 with the #1 Offense in the State and the worst defense in the state.

2009: Brownwood goes 10-3 with a 3rd string QB.

2010: Brownwood domin-8's.

[Old&Crusty]

Well, we little 2A/3A spots on the map keep hearing how hard it was in 4A, but the little school from 2A has done better since moving to 3A than the school that moved down from 4A. Seems to me 2A must be tougher than 4A. Just my humble observation.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Rocket
Um no..We won 6 of our titles in 3A. And 2A does not even come close to the 4A level.

Brownwood owns Celina in 3A accomplishments. Let's get RELEVANT people. Class B and 2A is cute, though. ;)

Actually, the enrollment for 3A in 1990 was 285 - 689. Since your last championship was earlier I am assuming the numbers were even smaller. As such, Brownwood's championships in 3A were not much different than Celina's in 2A. What other silly argument can you now come up with to try an minimize the accomplishments of others???

[jockcity33]

Originally posted by Rocket
Ft. Stockton? You wouldn't understand.

oh I understand, I have been around and have seen some very good football, but that is not what I'm talking about, I'm am talking about adults such as yourself living through teen-agers. Get a life.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Actually, the enrollment for 3A in 1990 was 285 - 689. Since your last championship was earlier I am assuming the numbers were even smaller. As such, Brownwood's championships in 3A were not much different than Celina's in 2A. What other silly argument can you now come up with to try an minimize the accomplishments of others???

Which is exactly why Rocket wants to talk about the "present" now, BleedOrange. Thanks for making our points with some figures. :thumbsup:

[Rocket]

Originally posted by jockcity33
oh I understand, I have been around and have seen some very good football, but that is not what I'm talking about, I'm am talking about adults such as yourself living through teen-agers. Get a life.

Don't like it? don't read it. You go get a life and stay out of mine.

[jockcity33]

its hard not to read it when you hijack every thread on here....

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Which is exactly why Rocket wants to talk about the "present" now, BleedOrange. Thanks for making our points with some figures. :thumbsup:

LOL my point is that we can argue all day about the past and attempt to compare (which is not even close). And never agree...So let's just stick to NOW. Which is all that is relevant.

[Pick6]

Originally posted by DDBooger
apparently even mentioning it pisses people off :confused:

KT vs BW would be an awesome game.

KT would embarrass BW...lol...JM would have more total yards by himself than BW would have as a team...lol

[Rocket]

Originally posted by jockcity33
its hard not to read it when you hijack every thread on here....

Are you a woman? EVERY thread? LOL

I started this thread. It is my thread to hijack. Speaking of hijack, why don't you hijack yourself off this thread. Funny how people don't like me posting on Brownwood threads. Wow. That makes sense.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by Pick6
KT would embarrass BW...lol...JM would have more total yards by himself than BW would have as a team...lol

You sound foolish. As usual. lol lol lol lol

http://brownwoodlions.com/special/ignorant.jpg

[jockcity33]

Originally posted by Rocket
Are you a woman? EVERY thread? LOL

I started this thread. It is my thread to hijack. Speaking of hijack, why don't you hijack yourself off this thread. Funny how people don't like me posting on Brownwood threads. Wow. That makes sense.

This is like talking to some of my very special kids....

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by jockcity33
I haven't seen either team play. But no doubt they are both good teams, consisting of 16, 17, and 18 year old kids. You are guys are talking about them like they are paid players that live only for football. You are actually making yourselves look like idiots, that live through the highschool football team. Let the kids play the games and the adults go watch the games, and praise the kids for doing something they love to do. Instead of getting on here and blowing smoke about how our SC's are better than yours because ours has 4 A's by them iinstead of 2. Crap you guys were probably in the stands playing the trombone while you were in High school.

I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just replying to Rocket's iidiocy. I never said, or implied, anyone's were better. Since I don't know if I was the intended recipient I won't reply to your trombone comment.

[jockcity33]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just replying to Rocket's iidiocy. I never said, or implied, anyone's were better. Since I don't know if I was the intended recipient I won't reply to your trombone comment.

not intended for you.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by jockcity33
not intended for you.

Thanks

[Rocket]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just replying to Rocket's iidiocy. I never said, or implied, anyone's were better. Since I don't know if I was the intended recipient I won't reply to your trombone comment.

The very special kid comment was intended for BO.

[Rocket]

Originally posted by jockcity33
This is like talking to some of my very special kids....

Lighten up, Shirley. Just talking some smack. I would apologize if you don't approve, but I don't care.

Also, BO, I've been minimizing Celina's accomplishments since day 1. Nothing new... Lol

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Rocket
Lighten up, Shirley. Just talking some smack. I would apologize if you don't approve, but I don't care.

Also, BO, I've been minimizing Celina's accomplishments since day 1. Nothing new... Lol

Yes you have been trying to with very little success. :)

[Louie13]

Originally posted by ASUFrisbeeStud
I think Abilene should be higher than 17th in the state. We'll see what happens in the playoffs.

Abilene is improving. Saw them play Plant and Bwd could beat them that day. Saw them play Midland Lee; huge improvement!! They are not a big team, we might still hang with them. Our QB is equally good and we have better receivers, and probably better coaches. Oh well, just dreaming. Bottom line, I wud like to see AHS do it again. I just like teams from the Big Country area.

[Tin Cup]

Abilene High's district is loaded this year with good teams. I watched Permian play Cedar Hill and I'd have a hard time saying we'd beat Permian this year because they have so much of a size advantage. Cooper, A High, Lee, Midland, Permian all pretty good this year.

[50 yard line fan]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Actually, the enrollment for 3A in 1990 was 285 - 689. Since your last championship was earlier I am assuming the numbers were even smaller. As such, Brownwood's championships in 3A were not much different than Celina's in 2A. What other silly argument can you now come up with to try an minimize the accomplishments of others???


Man, you made me dig deep into my files. Here's what I have since 1976.


1976-77 & 1977-78

4A 1220 & up
3A 550 to 1219
2A 240 to 549
1A 125 to 239
B 124 & under
* 75

1978-79 & 1979-80

4A 1260 & up
3A 580 to 1259
2A 255 to 579
1A 130 to 254
B 129 & under
* 75

1980-81 & 1981-82

5A 1310 & up
4A 615 to 1309
3A 265 to 614
2A 135 to 264
1A 134 & under
* 85

1982-83 & 1983-84

5A 1310 & up
4A 645 to 1309
3A 270 to 644
2A 140 to 269
1A 139 & under
* 85

1984-85 & 1985-86

5A 1305 & up
4A 650 to 1304
3A 275 to 649
2A 135 to 274
1A 134 & below
* 75

1986-87 & 1987-88

5A 1440 & up
4A 715 to 1439
3A 285 to 714
2A 135 to 284
1A 134 & below
* 95

1988-89 & 1989-90

5A 1470 & up
4A 740 to 1469
3A 300 to 739
2A 145 to 299
1A 144 & below
* 95

1990-91 & 1991-92

5A 1460 & up
4A 690 to 1459
3A 285 to 689
2A 140 to 284
1A 139 & below
* 95

1992-93 & 1993-94

5A 1510 & up
4A 715 to 1509
3A 285 to 714
2A 145 to 284
1A 144 & below
* 95

1994-95 & 1995-96

5A 1600 & up
4A 715 to 1599
3A 295 to 714
2A 145 to 294
1A 144 & below
* 79 & below
**82 & below

1996-97 & 1997-98

5A 1650 & up
4A 700 to 1649
3A 305 to 699
2A 150 to 304
1A 149 & below
* 84.5 & below
**82 & below

1998-1999 & 1999-2000

5A 1780 & up
4A 780 to 1779
3A 345 to 779
2A 160 to 344
1A 159 & below
* 84.4 & below
**96 & below

2000-2001 & 2001-2002

5A 1865 & up
4A 845 to 1864
3A 345 to 844
2A 170 to 344
1A 169 & below
* 94.5 & below
**91 & below

2002-2003 & 2003-2004

5A 1910 & up
4A 900 to 1909
3A 345 to 899
2A 180 to 344
1A 179 & below
* 94.5 & below
**91 & below

2004-2005 & 2005-2006

5A 1925 & up
4A 900 to 1924
3A 390 to 899
2A 190 to 389
1A 189 & below
* 99.9 & below

2006-2007 & 2007-2008

5A 1985 & up
4A 950 to 1984
3A 415 to 949
2A 195 to 414
1A 194 & below
* 99.9 & below

2008-2009 & 2009-2010

5A 2085 & up
4A 980 to 2084
3A 430 to 979
2A 200 to 429
1A 199 & below
* 99.9 & below
* Enrollment cutoff for 6-man football and for basketball and spring meet for large and small schools.

[Louie13]

Originally posted by ccmom
Maybe he should change his screen name...

"looking4validation"....kinda catchy, don't ya think? :thinking: :p

He'll have to change his screen name after Dec 17. Guess he'll be Looking4-9, unless he doesn't want a short-term name. LOL:wave:

[bobcat4life]

A title is a title. You are playing schools in your classification so that there is not a huge size advantage between schools. Class B size teams play class B size teams. 3A size teams play 3A size teams. A title is a title no matter the classification.

[orange machine]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
A title is a title. You are playing schools in your classification so that there is not a huge size advantage between schools. Class B size teams play class B size teams. 3A size teams play 3A size teams. A title is a title no matter the classification.

This point has been explained, but it doesnt seem to matter.

[ccmom]

Originally posted by Louie13
He'll have to change his screen name after Dec 17. Guess he'll be Looking4-9, unless he doesn't want a short-term name. LOL:wave: That might have been amusing IF we had been talking about L48.....but since we weren't...not so much. Nice try, though. :wave:

[ccmom]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
A title is a title. You are playing schools in your classification so that there is not a huge size advantage between schools. Class B size teams play class B size teams. 3A size teams play 3A size teams. A title is a title no matter the classification. You guys are unfortunately wasting your time. The only way a Class B title would mean something is if Brownwood had won one.:rolleyes:

[Eagle 1]

Originally posted by ccmom
You guys are unfortunately wasting your time. The only way a Class B title would mean something is if Brownwood had won one.:rolleyes:

;)

[Rocket]

Originally posted by ccmom
You guys are unfortunately wasting your time. The only way a Class B title would mean something is if Brownwood had won one.:rolleyes:

How many titles does Wylie have vs. How many they've lost? LOL

[orange machine]

How about we all agree that all titles count and regardless of what classification your in it is very difficult to obtain. The fact is just because Brownwood was in 4a doesn't mean they would have won 30 titles over the years if they had been 2a because they wouldn't have as many athletes to choose from.

[orange machine]

Nm

[Looking4number8]

Originally posted by Louie13
He'll have to change his screen name after Dec 17. Guess he'll be Looking4-9, unless he doesn't want a short-term name. LOL:wave:

Honestly I am a little offended about the "short term" part of this post.... What makes you so sure my next wife will leave me so quickly too?





Oh...... You thought my screen name had something to do with football.....:) :) :)

[ccmom]

Originally posted by Rocket
How many titles does Wylie have vs. How many they've lost? LOL Won one and lost 2. We are proud of all 3 appearances and the coolest part is we don't have to insult the success of other programs in order to make ourselves feel better. You should try it sometime. You might like it. :rolleyes:

[ccmom]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Honestly I am a little offended about the "short term" part of this post.... What makes you so sure my next wife will leave me so quickly too?





Oh...... You thought my screen name had something to do with football.....:) :) :) :clap: :clap:

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Rocket
Let's talk about now. We can move on from the past. Since that is all Celina and Brownwood has as of right now.

Since Brownwood has dropped to 3A...(RELEVANCE TO 3A)

2008: Brownwood went 3-7 with the #1 Offense in the State and the worst defense in the state.

2009: Brownwood goes 10-3 with a 3rd string QB.

2010: Brownwood domin-8's.


OK! Lets talk about now!

0 - 2


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/bow_down_before_you-960.gif to ME ROCKET!:D

[wimbo_pro]

The more Brownwood (bows head) is lifted upon the shoulders of the Football Gods so early in the season, the better it is for us common folk.

[Looking4number8]

Originally posted by garciap77
OK! Lets talk about now!

0 - 2


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/bow_down_before_you-960.gif to ME ROCKET!:D

Maybe you guys and Big Spring can both beat snider and yall can go d2 with us. Then we can make it 2-2 in a matter of 4 or 5 weeks....

Go Big Spring

[Inmateboss]

Originally posted by jockcity33
oh I understand, I have been around and have seen some very good football, but that is not what I'm talking about, I'm am talking about adults such as yourself living through teen-agers. Get a life.

Rocket was right, you don't have a clue !!! Stay on here for a while and you might get it...then again

[Inmateboss]

Originally posted by jockcity33
its hard not to read it when you hijack every thread on here....

:eek: Rocket hijack a thread!!!! OMG has anyone else on here heard of this going on??? :rolleyes:

[Rocket]

Originally posted by ccmom
You guys are unfortunately wasting your time. The only way a Class B title would mean something is if Brownwood had won one.:rolleyes:

ccmom- Celina didn't win the Class B Title. Lol it was given to them. Try and keep up.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Maybe you guys and Big Spring can both beat snider and yall can go d2 with us. Then we can make it 2-2 in a matter of 4 or 5 weeks....

Go Big Spring

Or maybe we can beat you twice, then WE can make it 0 - 4 in a matter of 4 or 5 weeks..........http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/bowing.gif:D



:p




;)


GO Wylie!!!!

[Rocket]

Originally posted by garciap77
Or maybe we can beat you twice, then WE can make it 0 - 4 in a matter of 4 or 5 weeks..........http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/bowing.gif:D



:p




;)


GO Wylie!!!!

They are coming your way on Nov 5...and one man won't stop them...

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Rocket
It's coming your way on Nov 5...and one man won't stop us...


LOL