Mock 6A Realignment

[Matthew328]

Just a heads up I'm working on a mock alignment bringing in Class 6A..it'll take me about a week to get it right but I think it'll be interesting...

I'll be using the 2010 realignment #'s and then adding in 16 new high schools that I anticipate playing varsity football in 2010...

[LE Dad]

Sure hope that mock 4A cutoff is in 1300s cause things sure start getting scary around the current 1430!!!:D

[Aesculus gilmus]

Slightly off-topic, where do you estimate the cutoff in enrollment between 3A and 4A will be with six classes?

I've seen as high as 700, which would mean Gilmer would be in 3A most years. But if it's 600 or less, we'd be 4A always and realistically not nearly as dominant a program.

[Matthew328]

I've actually just started crunching numbers, I probably won't have the cut offs done for a couple of days..

[mwynn05]

guys what makes it hard are the larger isd's have schools opt up for many reasons, a lot of them financial

[Matthew328]

It's a chore...looking at new 4A to be 650-1400 ish....

[Matthew328]

right now I've got the new 4A at 625-1434

that gives about 195 teams...

[SHSBulldog00]

How many school's will you have in 6A 205 - 245?

[Matthew328]

201

[SHSBulldog00]

I'd hate to be that one school.

[Twirling Time]

Originally posted by Matthew328
right now I've got the new 4A at 625-1434

that gives about 195 teams...

That could make things interesting for Celina -- if they keep growing steady like they've been, that will put them right at the 4A cutoff.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Matthew328
right now I've got the new 4A at 625-1434

that gives about 195 teams... Just as long as Aledo, Travis, and HP grow and that 1434 is it 4A is doable. Those low 600 schools will have heck unless they split the classification.

[VWG]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Just as long as Aledo, Travis, and HP grow and that 1434 is it 4A is doable. Those low 600 schools will have heck unless they split the classification.

Very true. Schools that are in that 700 range will have some major issues in all sports facing schools with 1300 - 1400 enrollment.
For the most part, schools with that size enrollment have quite a few one sport only athletes.

[Looking4number8]

Does Sandefer have something to do with the UIL moving to 6 divisions. The way I see it, Wylie would be playing playoffs in the small school division of the new 4A division which would keep playing them against schools half there size..... I f Wylies is pushing this, it will go thru!


























Just messing with ya CCMom and Garcia....

:) :) :)

[Matthew328]

now its 715-1434....almost perfect 2:1 ratio

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by Matthew328
now its 715-1434....almost perfect 2:1 ratio
It is interesting to say the least. I imagine that if the 6A thing happens, we will see split divisions across all classifications with 2 teams from each district making the playoffs. The UIL has accomplished 1 thing for sure, this is the earliest realignment chatter ever!

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by bigwood33
It is interesting to say the least. I imagine that if the 6A thing happens, we will see split divisions across all classifications with 2 teams from each district making the playoffs. The UIL has accomplished 1 thing for sure, this is the earliest realignment chatter ever! If there is a 6a then there only needs to be one state champion per class IMO.

[Matthew328]

There will still be two

[bigwood33]

You can't think about it that way. There will be less than 200 schools in each classification, that is a given since there are just over 1100 11 man schools. If we are still going to have 4 regions with the same number of schools in each region you can't really make the numbers work without split divisions. If you only have 16 district (4 per region) in each classification, you will have more than 10 teams per district. That won't work. If you have 32 districts (8 per region), you will Have less than 6 teams per district. The UIL has already stated that they want 4 teams per district to make the playoffs and if we have several 5 team districts, that doesn't work either. The whole things very complicated and the number of champions is really not gong to drive the UIL, they have to make the playoffs work and finish before Christmas. Now, if they eliminate the bye week, they could make it work without having split division championships but that would mean an 18 week (including scrimmages) season for high school kids without a week off to recover from nagging injuries, etc.

[Matthew328]

I've only got about 1048 11man UIL football schools...LOL

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by Matthew328
I've only got about 1048 11man UIL football schools...LOL
I'm sure you're right. As you put your mock alignment together I am sure that you will see what some of the issues are that the UIL is going to have to deal with. When you start trying to figure out the playoff situation and when needing to finish before Christmas, it is a difficult process.

[Matthew328]

It can be done, problem is you'll have five team districts in every class...

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Matthew328
It can be done, problem is you'll have five team districts in every class...
Imagine how bad it would suck to be the "one" team that didn't make the playoffs. :doh: :(

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Imagine how bad it would suck to be the "one" team that didn't make the playoffs. :doh: :( As posted earlier, it is a testy little problem, isn't it? If they fill 32 districts per classification with and average of 5.x teams per district, they will only take 2 teams per district, not 4. You can't take 80% of the teams to the playoffs. I am sure Matt is right, we will still have 2 champions per classification.

[SHSBulldog00]

If you have several 5 team districts just take 3 teams like 3A does now.

[Old Tiger]

Could you make a rule if you have 6 teams or less only 3 make it but if you have an 7+ team district 4 make it?

[Matthew328]

I think the UIL will still take 4 to the playoffs....they will not reduce the # of playoff games...remember they get a 15% cut from all playoff games...more games = more money!

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
Could you make a rule if you have 6 teams or less only 3 make it but if you have an 7+ team district 4 make it?
No, playoff matchups would never work. You would have byes all over the place.
Matt, I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with. The UIL will poll the superintendents this fall and I would guess that we will know by Jan/Feb what the plan will be for the following years realignment. It will certainly be interesting.

[Matthew328]

I just finished 6A it'll be posted tomorrow...

[Matthew328]

Here's my projections

Class 6A 2255-Up 202 schools
Class 5A 1435-2254 199 schools
Class 4A 715-1434 173 schools
Class 3A 345-714 163 schools
Class 2A Div. 1 261-344 85 schools
Class 2A Div. 2 195-260 87 schools
Class A Div. 1 149-194 77 schools
Class A Div. 2 100-148.5 79 school

I included the 17 new UIL football playing schools for 2012 in my alignment.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Here's my projections

Class 6A 2255-Up 202 schools
Class 5A 1435-2254 199 schools
Class 4A 715-1434 173 schools
Class 3A 345-714 163 schools
Class 2A Div. 1 261-344 85 schools
Class 2A Div. 2 195-260 87 schools
Class A Div. 1 149-194 77 schools
Class A Div. 2 100-148.5 79 school

I included the 17 new UIL football playing schools for 2012 in my alignment.

I see splits all the way up with 3 teams in each division making playoffs.

[Matthew328]

3 teams in 3A, 1A and 2A

4 teams in 4A, 5A, 6A

[go blue 64]

Originally posted by Matthew328
right now I've got the new 4A at 625-1434

that gives about 195 teams...

I hope your est. are not correct. It just seems to me when you have schools that have twice or more students to pick from that is not fair. I am not sure what the answer is but I would hope the difference would be no more than 1 1/2 times for 1A through 4A. If that is what 6A would look like I had rather keep it like it is.

[Matthew328]

go blue see above post my cut off for 4A is now 715-1434 almost perfect 2:1 ratio...

[Matthew328]

slight edit on my overall #of schools


Class 6A 2255-Up 203 schools
Class 5A 1435-2254 199 schools
Class 4A 715-1434 173 schools
Class 3A 345-714 162 schools
Class 2A Div. 1 261-344 85 schools
Class 2A Div. 2 195-260 87 schools
Class A Div. 1 149-194 77 schools
Class A Div. 2 100-148.5 79 schools

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by go blue 64
I hope your est. are not correct. It just seems to me when you have schools that have twice or more students to pick from that is not fair. I am not sure what the answer is but I would hope the difference would be no more than 1 1/2 times for 1A through 4A. If that is what 6A would look like I had rather keep it like it is.
The current 3A numbers are 425-985. That is more than a 2:1 ratio. Keeping it like it is it a wider gap than Matt's projections.

[Matthew328]

Here's Class 6A

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1106142

[LE Dad]

Can't wait to see 5A!! Looks like the old East Texas 5A district will be back -poor Tyler Lee.

[Matthew328]

They'll be on an island but travel won't be too bad...for them...

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Does Sandefer have something to do with the UIL moving to 6 divisions. The way I see it, Wylie would be playing playoffs in the small school division of the new 4A division which would keep playing them against schools half there size..... I f Wylies is pushing this, it will go thru!


























Just messing with ya CCMom and Garcia....

:) :) :)


Don't worry! We will stay 3A even if they made a 7A Realignment!:D




;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by garciap77
Don't worry! We will stay 3A even if they made a 7A Realignment!:D




;) :eek: :eek: :eek:

[SHSBulldog00]

Matt - Don't know if 3A is complete but I have a few questions about a couple of current 2A schools.

Would these schools opt to stay 2A?

Houston Yes Prep North Central 761
Houston Yes Prep South East 391
Edinburg Quest College Prep 352.45

[Matthew328]

Those are not football playing schools so they dont factor into the alignment

[Matthew328]

Here's 5A

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1106557

[hollywood]

Any word on a mock 4A yet?

BTW, thanks for your hard work!

[Twirling Time]

4A is now posted on TOC but you have to be a member to read it.

[LE Dad]

The more I research this the more it looks like LE will be in 3A. There is alot of growth on the north side of town that could knock us up later on, but the past 2 alignments LE has dropped 50 kids and I see that trend continuing at least another 3-4 years.:thinking:

[Matthew328]

I messed up and made it premium..its free now...although subscribing does help me out to produce more kick butt content...LOL

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1106903

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by LE Dad
There is alot of growth on the north side of town that could knock us up later on,
Yep, that should do it! :devil:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Yep, that should do it! :devil: :doh:

[hollywood]

Originally posted by LE Dad
The more I research this the more it looks like LE will be in 3A. There is alot of growth on the north side of town that could knock us up later on, but the past 2 alignments LE has dropped 50 kids and I see that trend continuing at least another 3-4 years.:thinking:

Good luck on that wish! Remember this is a mock realignment and numbers will change.:D

[hollywood]

Originally posted by Matthew328
I messed up and made it premium..its free now...although subscribing does help me out to produce more kick butt content...LOL

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1106903

Good stuff. Brownwood and Wylie in another 5 team district.

[Matthew328]

Here's 3A

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107269

[Tiganut]

Matt you have Sweetwater traveling through Snyder to get to Seminole for a district game. Looks great otherwise. Just wish the UIL would pay attention.

Great work.

[Matthew328]

Thought Sweetwater made a better fit w/the schools on I-20 and Snyder made a better fit heading north towards Lubbock..at least that was my logic...I probably coulda switched Lamesa and Snyder and it would made sense also

[SHSBulldog00]

Region 4
District 25-3A
Brookshire Royal 532
Hitchcock 351
Sweeny 587
Wharton 583
Rice Consolidated 349
Palacios 449
Edna 416

District 26-3A
Salado 467
Lago Vista 369
Geronimo Navarro 461
Luling 396
Wimberley 681

HOLY COW!!!!!!!

District 25 - Talk about travel for district and playoffs!!! Brookshire Sweeny and Rice. Possibly Hitchcock or Edna

[Tiganut]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Thought Sweetwater made a better fit w/the schools on I-20 and Snyder made a better fit heading north towards Lubbock..at least that was my logic...I probably coulda switched Lamesa and Snyder and it would made sense also

Understood. Even in a projection, I would love to keep those dirty ole mustangs in the same district.

By the way the magazine (FNF) turned out even better than I had expected. Great job.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by hollywood
Good luck on that wish! Remember this is a mock realignment and numbers will change.:D Well hence the title of the thread, but it's an idea thats been kicked around for years and from what I am hearing this next realignment it could very well happen. The #s will certainly change if it does, but if anything, I am told to expect an increase due to growth of schools in Metro areas.:D


Thats what the word on the street is anyways.;)

[SHSBulldog00]

District 24-3A
Bellville 673
Caldwell 513
Columbus 535
Hempstead 393


Region 4
District 25-3A
Brookshire Royal 532
Hitchcock 351
Sweeny 587
Wharton 583
Rice Consolidated 349
Palacios 449
Edna 416

Wouldn't Brookshire and Rice Consolidated be better off travel wise in 24-3A?

[Twirling Time]

Poor Whitesboro. They were on the verge of dropping to 2A and now they're going to be slobber-knocking with Celina and PP again.

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Originally posted by Twirling Time
Poor Whitesboro. They were on the verge of dropping to 2A and now they're going to be slobber-knocking with Celina and PP again. :devil:

[bobcat4life]

Whitesboro will probably drop to 2a in one off the next 2 alignments

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
Whitesboro will probably drop to 2a in one off the next 2 alignments

If they dont add 6A..PP will also...and prolly collect #4.:)

[ctown]

Originally posted by LE Dad
The more I research this the more it looks like LE will be in 3A. There is alot of growth on the north side of town that could knock us up later on, but the past 2 alignments LE has dropped 50 kids and I see that trend continuing at least another 3-4 years.:thinking:

Yep. Once the north side of town gets knocked up, you'll definitely experience more population growth...

[Aesculus gilmus]

District 12-3A
Pittsburg 645
Daingerfield 407
Jefferson 349
Gilmer 628
Tatum 421


Class 2A Harmony has 332 right now. If it grows at all, we may see the long-awaited "clash of the titans" — Gilmer versus Harmony.

We may have to add an extra digit to the scoreboard at Buckeye Stadium for this one.

[bobcat4life]

Originally posted by PPSTATEBOUND
If they dont add 6A..PP will also...and prolly collect #4.:) If the tollway makes it to PP as expected, they will never sniff 2A again.

[Twirling Time]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
Whitesboro will probably drop to 2a in one off the next 2 alignments

If everything stayed as is, then yes. But not in a 6A system. They'll be right in the middle of 3A.

Whitesboro's saving grace for the future is the big dogs closer to the Metroplex like Celina and Argyle will grow into 4A, and they are on a level playing field with the likes of Gainesville, Callisburg, VA and Bonham.

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by Twirling Time
If everything stayed as is, then yes. But not in a 6A system. They'll be right in the middle of 3A.

Whitesboro's saving grace for the future is the big dogs closer to the Metroplex like Celina and Argyle will grow into 4A, and they are on a level playing field with the likes of Gainesville, Callisburg, VA and Bonham.
Agreed.

[SHSBulldog00]

Are we going to see any other projection's 2A or 1A?

[Matthew328]

2A is posted on theoldcoach feel free to check them out

[navscanmaster]

Plano ISD could open up four new high schools, distribute them somewhat evenly, and have six 6A schools and one 5A school!:eek: :eek:

[Rabid Cougar]

Waco ISD is building a new University High School that is large enough to incorporate Waco High in consolidation. There is a rumor that Waco and University will combine for one large high school here in Waco.
Waco had been taking hits on its test scores. 300 students have moved to Midway and about 200 have moved to LaVega ( most of there stud athletes).

[Matthew328]

I think that would be a good thing for Waco ISD honestly.....