Cuban asking NBA for Pobe into Big 3

[Bull's-eye]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AufTE.IReV0GvE2Gzl2KqFW8vLYF?slug=ap-cuban-heat

Cuban wants the NBA to probe how the Heat got the big 3. Cuban got slapped with a fine for tampering for a really minor offense. Hard to believe that there wasn't some kind of recruiting going on before the start of free agency.

[Farmersfan]

Why wouldn't it be tampering if one player calls another player and discusses this before the allowed time????? The NBA should get involved.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Why wouldn't it be tampering if one player calls another player and discusses this before the allowed time????? The NBA should get involved. Didn't Stern say that players can talk if they want to? He didn't seem to have a problem with the players getting together and plotting what they were going to do before free agency began.

Nope...no double standard here.:crazy:

[Bull's-eye]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Why wouldn't it be tampering if one player calls another player and discusses this before the allowed time????? The NBA should get involved.

I personally hope they would get involved. IMO, the NBA has made rules to prevent these free agents from all flocking to one team. In the league's best interest, keeping a good competitive balance among their teams is a must. We might see some new rules to prevent a team like Miami from doing this again, possibly a limit on signing more than 2 max free agents or maybe a better compensation for their former teams. Even though Cleveland & Toronto invested a lot of money in their players, they had hardly no leverage in this whole process.

[Old Tiger]

you can't tell an unrestricted free agent where to go.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Didn't Stern say that players can talk if they want to? He didn't seem to have a problem with the players getting together and plotting what they were going to do before free agency began.

Nope...no double standard here.:crazy:



The whole purpose of the tampering rule is to prevent one team from getting a "Leg up" on all the other teams in the free agent market. In an effort to promote a fair and level playing field for ALL teams they decided that no team could talk to a free agent until a certain date. So how is it any different for Pat Riley to send Wade out to get this whole deal set up before the designated date? You know Wade didn't do this on his own before he even spoke with the Owner, GM and Coach of the team. Its tampering plain and simple! This deal was done before the deadline and no other team had a chance in getting any of these players. If it didn't violate any existing rules then I bet the rules will soon be changed. The other owners in the league won't tolerate this very long.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
The whole purpose of the tampering rule is to prevent one team from getting a "Leg up" on all the other teams in the free agent market. In an effort to promote a fair and level playing field for ALL teams they decided that no team could talk to a free agent until a certain date. So how is it any different for Pat Riley to send Wade out to get this whole deal set up before the designated date? You know Wade didn't do this on his own before he even spoke with the Owner, GM and Coach of the team. Its tampering plain and simple! This deal was done before the deadline and no other team had a chance in getting any of these players. If it didn't violate any existing rules then I bet the rules will soon be changed. The other owners in the league won't tolerate this very long. The tampering rule is mainly for Owners/GMs/Coaches/Execs of teams...not necessarily the players themselves.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
The tampering rule is mainly for Owners/GMs/Coaches/Execs of teams...not necessarily the players themselves. Hence the hypocrisy.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
you can't tell an unrestricted free agent where to go.



COLLUSION:
"Collusion is an agreement, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage."


The owners are required to allow the fair market value system to work so why aren't the players? If a single team steps up and offers Labron a million dollars more he should be required to take the offer or stay in Cleveland. A team should NEVER lose a player to another team for LESS money! I think this move by these 3 players will have a huge impact on the CBA that is coming up. I guarantee there will be a clause in there about this kind of crap.

[LE Dad]

Nothing improper with union members talking. Only if the league can prove that Miami put D. Wade up to it would there be an issue.

This is alot like HS kids talking each other into playing together... No one likes it unless the kids are coming to their school.

[JasperDog94]

I don't have a problem with someone taking less money to play for another team. That's not the issue. The issue is that the owners weren't allowed to make any offers or even contact the players, yet the players could talk all day and make plans (collusion) and everything is okay? That's a double standard. But according to league rules, it seems to be a legal double standard.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Nothing improper with union members talking. Only if the league can prove that Miami put D. Wade up to it would there be an issue.

This is alot like HS kids talking each other into playing together... No one likes it unless the kids are coming to their school.



One is amateur sports and the other is a billion dollar business! The players getting together and doing this drastically effects the product on the court in a lot of cities. The value of the Cavs took a horrendous hit when Labron decided to go elsewhere for less money. Owners, coaches and fans of all teams hope to get a franchise player on their team thereby increasing the chances they might win a title. 3 Franchise players going to one team is a league killing scenerio if it continues. Imagine now that Kobe, Dirk and Mello get together and decide that will need to all play for 1 team if they are going to compete...................
Every superstar in the league will know he will have to team up with other superstars to win a title. Not a good thing for the NBA.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
COLLUSION:
"Collusion is an agreement, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage."


The owners are required to allow the fair market value system to work so why aren't the players? If a single team steps up and offers Labron a million dollars more he should be required to take the offer or stay in Cleveland. A team should NEVER lose a player to another team for LESS money! I think this move by these 3 players will have a huge impact on the CBA that is coming up. I guarantee there will be a clause in there about this kind of crap. Cause Stern has made the NBA more about the name on the back of a jersey than the front.




Originally posted by JasperDog94
I don't have a problem with someone taking less money to play for another team. That's not the issue. The issue is that the owners weren't allowed to make any offers or even contact the players, yet the players could talk all day and make plans (collusion) and everything is okay? That's a double standard. But according to league rules, it seems to be a legal double standard.

There is a specific date where the owners and stuff can start talk with the players if it is done before that date such as what Mark Cuban did its considered tampering.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
A team should NEVER lose a player to another team for LESS money! But 90 million in Florida is about the equivalent of 100 million in Cleveland or NY so it's not like it's dollar for dollar. Not all contracts are equal, depending on the tax breaks for certain states.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Old Tiger

There is a specific date where the owners and stuff can start talk with the players if it is done before that date such as what Mark Cuban did its considered tampering. If the owners cannot talk to a player before a certain date, then the players should not talk before that date either. It's a double standard.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
If the owners cannot talk to a player before a certain date, then the players should not talk before that date either. It's a double standard. It may be but it is what it is and I don't think anything will come from this.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
I don't have a problem with someone taking less money to play for another team. That's not the issue. The issue is that the owners weren't allowed to make any offers or even contact the players, yet the players could talk all day and make plans (collusion) and everything is okay? That's a double standard. But according to league rules, it seems to be a legal double standard.




The whole idea of collusion is that they did this to gain an unfair advantage. Why else would they take less money? I personally think any rings that these guys win will be tainted.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
One is amateur sports and the other is a billion dollar business! The players getting together and doing this drastically effects the product on the court in a lot of cities. The value of the Cavs took a horrendous hit when Labron decided to go elsewhere for less money. Owners, coaches and fans of all teams hope to get a franchise player on their team thereby increasing the chances they might win a title. 3 Franchise players going to one team is a league killing scenerio if it continues. Imagine now that Kobe, Dirk and Mello get together and decide that will need to all play for 1 team if they are going to compete...................
Every superstar in the league will know he will have to team up with other superstars to win a title. Not a good thing for the NBA. It's still all about chasing the dream of a championship amateur or not. Players want to go where they can win. If you want the top players to come or stay then do all you can to produce a winner. Clevelands owner, in his statement summed it up best by saying "we are now more dedicated than ever to bringing a championship to Cleveland..." maybe if he would have been more dedicated last year LBJ would still be there.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
But 90 million in Florida is about the equivalent of 100 million in Cleveland or NY so it's not like it's dollar for dollar. Not all contracts are equal, depending on the tax breaks for certain states.



If that's the case then wouldn't it be appropriate that Miami had a lesser lesser salary cap? Or Dallas? Or any other state that has no state income tax?

But the reality is that the lack of a State Income Tax isn't such a big deal. If you consider that State Income Tax is deductable from Federal Income Taxes and with the AMT laws in effect I don't think it is much of a savings at all. For the most part the Federal Government subsidizes a lot of the State Income Taxes for people making over 1 million a year. Then if you add in the higher property values and property Taxes in Florida then it is normally a wash................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
If that's the case then wouldn't it be appropriate that Miami had a lesser lesser salary cap? Or Dallas? Or any other state that has no state income tax?

But the reality is that the lack of a State Income Tax isn't such a big deal. If you consider that State Income Tax is deductable from Federal Income Taxes and with the AMT laws in effect I don't think it is much of a savings at all. For the most part the Federal Government subsidizes a lot of the State Income Taxes for people making over 1 million a year. Then if you add in the higher property values and property Taxes in Florida then it is normally a wash................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax In that case the salary cap protects larger market teams from going out and getting all the best players.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
It's still all about chasing the dream of a championship amateur or not. Players want to go where they can win. If you want the top players to come or stay then do all you can to produce a winner. Clevelands owner, in his statement summed it up best by saying "we are now more dedicated than ever to bringing a championship to Cleveland..." maybe if he would have been more dedicated last year LBJ would still be there.



Yes it is all about chasing the dream! Labron got 10 steps closer and the Cleveland orgainization and Cleveland Fans got 10 steps further away! These same fans that have paid Labron over 100 million for the past 8 years! As far as them not doing all they could to win a title, how much salary cap did they have left to spend? ZERO! Perhaps if Labron had agreed to play for less money in Cleveland they would have went after some better help for him.

And here we go:::
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/07/chris-paul-amare-stoudemire-carmelo-anthony/1

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
If that's the case then wouldn't it be appropriate that Miami had a lesser lesser salary cap? Or Dallas? Or any other state that has no state income tax?

But the reality is that the lack of a State Income Tax isn't such a big deal. If you consider that State Income Tax is deductable from Federal Income Taxes and with the AMT laws in effect I don't think it is much of a savings at all. For the most part the Federal Government subsidizes a lot of the State Income Taxes for people making over 1 million a year. Then if you add in the higher property values and property Taxes in Florida then it is normally a wash................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax

When James signed his deal,it was reported it was equivilant to him signing a bigger deal with the Cavs becausse of the State income tax

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Yes it is all about chasing the dream! Labron got 10 steps closer and the Cleveland orgainization and Cleveland Fans got 10 steps further away! These same fans that have paid Labron over 100 million for the past 8 years! As far as them not doing all they could to win a title, how much salary cap did they have left to spend? ZERO! Perhaps if Labron had agreed to play for less money in Cleveland they would have went after some better help for him.

And here we go:::
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/07/chris-paul-amare-stoudemire-carmelo-anthony/1 LeBron tried to get Bosh to come to Cleveland but he didn't want to cause Cleveland is a crappy market/town.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
If that's the case then wouldn't it be appropriate that Miami had a lesser lesser salary cap? Or Dallas? Or any other state that has no state income tax?

But the reality is that the lack of a State Income Tax isn't such a big deal. If you consider that State Income Tax is deductable from Federal Income Taxes and with the AMT laws in effect I don't think it is much of a savings at all. For the most part the Federal Government subsidizes a lot of the State Income Taxes for people making over 1 million a year. Then if you add in the higher property values and property Taxes in Florida then it is normally a wash................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax Who cares about taxes and property values.... South Beach> The Flats.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
LeBron tried to get Bosh to come to Cleveland but he didn't want to cause Cleveland is a crappy market/town. Yeah, I heard LeBron knew something was up when he heard Boshes LMFAO "I'm in Miami" ringtone.:thinking:

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Yeah, I heard LeBron knew something was up when he heard Boshes LAMFO "I'm in Miami" ringtone.:thinking: what is LAMFO? lol

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Yes it is all about chasing the dream! Labron got 10 steps closer and the Cleveland orgainization and Cleveland Fans got 10 steps further away! These same fans that have paid Labron over 100 million for the past 8 years! As far as them not doing all they could to win a title, how much salary cap did they have left to spend? ZERO! Perhaps if Labron had agreed to play for less money in Cleveland they would have went after some better help for him.

And here we go:::
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/07/chris-paul-amare-stoudemire-carmelo-anthony/1 The fans booed him! I don't know if he did or didn't quit in the playoffs, but don't boo someone who is a free agent and expect them to forget about it come contract time.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
what is LAMFO? lol

electro hop group

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
what is LAMFO? lol LMFAO:doh:

TMFI!:D

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Who cares about taxes and property values.... South Beach> The Flats.



What if the owners got together and decided that (insert team) would win a title now. They agreed that ONLY (insert team) would pay the required salary of Labron, Wade, and any other big name free agent. They basically all manipulated the free agent market to give a huge advantage to (insert team) so that team could win a title. Would ya'll have a problem with that? The players would have lawyers crawling all over the league for that. Why is it the players can get away with doing the exact same thing?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
The fans booed him! I don't know if he did or didn't quit in the playoffs, but don't boo someone who is a free agent and expect them to forget about it come contract time.


And yet he still got paid!!!

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
What if the owners got together and decided that (insert team) would win a title now. They agreed that ONLY (insert team) would pay the required salary of Labron, Wade, and any other big name free agent. They basically all manipulated the free agent market to give a huge advantage to (insert team) so that team could win a title. Would ya'll have a problem with that? The players would have lawyers crawling all over the league for that. Why is it the players can get away with doing the exact same thing? Doesn't that happen in the NBA anyway? ;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
What if the owners got together and decided that (insert team) would win a title now. They agreed that ONLY (insert team) would pay the required salary of Labron, Wade, and any other big name free agent. They basically all manipulated the free agent market to give a huge advantage to (insert team) so that team could win a title. Would ya'll have a problem with that? The players would have lawyers crawling all over the league for that. Why is it the players can get away with doing the exact same thing? It's simple labor princples. I don't necessarily agree with sports being unionized but they are. Do you want someone telling you where to work? Or that you must work here because they pay more? Or that you can't talk to your friends that work at another company?

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
And yet he still got paid!!! and then he said.....:wave: :wave:

[Farmersfan]

I just wonder if Labron, Wade and Bosh actually think the title will mean anything if they do manage to win it? Apparently they don't have a problem doing it this way now. I'm pretty sure when they are old and look back on it they won't be too proud of this! That's my guess..

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I just wonder if Labron, Wade and Bosh actually think the title will mean anything if they do manage to win it? Apparently they don't have a problem doing it this way now. I'm pretty sure when they are old and look back on it they won't be too proud of this! That's my guess.. A title is a title regardless....no individual player has ever won a title by themself.


Kobe should thank shaq, gasol, fisher, artest, odem, and etc for his.

jordan should thank pippen. horrace grant, kukoc, kerr, and harper

duncan can thank david robinson, parker, sean elliot, ginobli, and bowen

also magic and bird weren't the only players on their respective teams either....



To hate on LeBron for wanting to join up with 2 other high caliber players is ridiculous and Charles Barkley was off base for saying he should build his legacy on his own...which I believe it Chucks biggest problem and why he never won a title.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I just wonder if Labron, Wade and Bosh actually think the title will mean anything if they do manage to win it? Apparently they don't have a problem doing it this way now. I'm pretty sure when they are old and look back on it they won't be too proud of this! That's my guess.. WHAT???? If they are successful they can say that they helped to build a dynasty and you think they will be embarresed.
If you work with a bunch of idiots and are not getting the job done and Bubba Ray calls you and says hey me and Jimmy Joe are over here and we are fixin to make it happen and we want you to be a part of it!! What are you gonna say FF?? :thinking:

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
It's simple labor princples. I don't necessarily agree with sports being unionized but they are. Do you want someone telling you where to work? Or that you must work here because they pay more? Or that you can't talk to your friends that work at another company?



Not close to the same thing Dad!

But if you want to compare this to civilian labor then this would be a monopoly. The Government has passed many anti-trust laws preventing companies from obtaining a monopoly. This is the only GAME in town and laws should be passed to insure the fair and even opportunities are followed. (by players as well as teams).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I just wonder if Labron, Wade and Bosh actually think the title will mean anything if they do manage to win it? Apparently they don't have a problem doing it this way now. I'm pretty sure when they are old and look back on it they won't be too proud of this! That's my guess..


Why would it not mean anything?


Did it mean less when the Celtica traded for Allen and Garnett to add to Pierce? Same thing happened here basically they had one piece and they added two more

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Not close to the same thing Dad!

But if you want to compare this to civilian labor then this would be a monopoly. The Government has passed many anti-trust laws preventing companies from obtaining a monopoly. This is the only GAME in town and laws should be passed to insure the fair and even opportunities are followed. (by players as well as teams).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly It is civilian labor... The NBA, MLB, and all other major sports have anti trust exemptions.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
A title is a title regardless....no individual player has ever won a title by themself.


Kobe should thank shaq, gasol, fisher, artest, odem, and etc for his.

jordan should thank pippen. horrace grant, kukoc, kerr, and harper

duncan can thank david robinson, parker, sean elliot, ginobli, and bowen

also magic and bird weren't the only players on their respective teams either....



To hate on LeBron for wanting to join up with 2 other high caliber players is ridiculous and Charles Barkley was off base for saying he should build his legacy on his own...which I believe it Chucks biggest problem and why he never won a title.



I think Barkley was dead on. Labrons legacy will be negatively effected from this point forward. He could win 10 titles now and people will always say that he couldn't do it until he got on a dream team!!!!

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I think Barkley was dead on. Labrons legacy will be negatively effected from this point forward. He could win 10 titles now and people will always say that he couldn't do it until he got on a dream team!!!! Trust me his legacy will be just fine. Did it hurt Kobes legacy since he didn't win a title until Shaq arrived? These guys are all mid 20s so they have awhile before legacy comes to the forefront... In the meantime its all about rings, and South Beach.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I think Barkley was dead on. Labrons legacy will be negatively effected from this point forward. He could win 10 titles now and people will always say that he couldn't do it until he got on a dream team!!!! No his legacy won't....if he wins 10 titles he'll be mentioned with the likes of Bill Russell and Phil Jackson

[Txbroadcaster]

Agian I ask

Did it hurt Garnett or Allen's Legacy when they joined the the Celtics and Paul Pierce?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Agian I ask

Did it hurt Garnett or Allen's Legacy when they joined the the Celtics and Paul Pierce?



Completely different situation TX. Allen is not a franchise player and him and Garnett were traded to Boston as aging (end of career players). The T-wolves and Seattle got value for these players. Neither one agreed to play for less money and leave their teams with nothing.

How do you guys think the original Dream Team players REALLY feel about the 1st Olympic Gold metal???? Really feel about it??
LE Dad, How would LE feel about a State Championship Title if they beat the Farmersville 8th grade team to get it? the point is that once they conspire like this to reduce the level of competition to a point that they are expected to win the title it will lose significance to them. (and us). You might not agree with it but I honestly think it is true. They might actually think it is an accomplishment but as they get older they will realize the error of their ways. Hence the comments by Barkley and some others who have seen their career come and go. You can't substitute for wisdom............

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
No his legacy won't....if he wins 10 titles he'll be mentioned with the likes of Bill Russell and Phil Jackson



I don't agree with that. He will always have the sidenote attached to his name that he could not win it without basically taking less money to build a dream team around him. And Phil Jackson's legacy will always have the statement attached to it that he won titles while coaching the best player in the NBA!

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Completely different situation TX. Allen is not a franchise player and him and Garnett were traded to Boston as aging (end of career players). The T-wolves and Seattle got value for these players. Neither one agreed to play for less money and leave their teams with nothing.



Actually Garnett did take less..he agreed to a 3 yr 60 million deal when he could have maxed out

and I dont see how it is different at all..

And your really saying it is wrong for players to take less to want to win??!?!

And Cleveland AND Toronto at aytime could have done sign and trade..they did not


As far as "aging" When Ray Allen went to Celtics he had been in league 10 years..Bosh and James have been in league 7 years

Garnett had been in league 11 years..not like they were aging guys when the trade was made..and in fact injuries have been the downfall

I would say Allen and Bosh are the same..both good not OMG top 10 talent...then Wade=Pierce and James=Garnett

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Actually Garnett did take less..he agreed to a 3 yr 60 million deal when he could have maxed out

and I dont see how it is different at all..

And your really saying it is wrong for players to take less to want to win??!?!

And Cleveland AND Toronto at aytime could have done sign and trade..they did not




BOSTON - The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal.



Looks like Celtics gave up 5 players, 2 first round picks and money considerations!!!!

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press073107-garnett.html

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
And Phil Jackson's legacy will always have the statement attached to it that he won titles while coaching the best player in the NBA!


name a coach who won multiple titles without having some of the best players

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
BOSTON - The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal.



Looks like Celtics gave up 5 players, 2 first round picks and money considerations!!!!

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press073107-garnett.html


AGAIN..Toronto and Cleveland could have done the SAME thing

And every player you named..only Jefferson had true value

and they werent over the hill when they went to celtics

[LE Dad]

Like I said it's not fair unless it's your team it benefits.:thinking:

[Big Papa]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Did it hurt Kobes legacy since he didn't win a title until Shaq arrived?

since they arrived at the same time.. no i dont suppose it hurt his legacy

[Bull's-eye]

Another twist to this scenario is that now the NBA is getting more "top heavy" as far as paying out salaries. Miami will have 3 players taking up most of their salary cap, leaving a small portion to be divided up by the other 12 players. Veteran players taking a huge pay cut to play with the Heat, really aren't helping out their fellow players, they are just bringing down the salaries of non-superstar players. If this trend continues (there is already talk about Carmello Anthony taking 2 of his friends to play in NY or NJ next season), there will be a smaller percent of the NBA players making the majority of the money and the rest will have to settle for what's left.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Bull's-eye
Another twist to this scenario is that now the NBA is getting more "top heavy" as far as paying out salaries. Miami will have 3 players taking up most of their salary cap, leaving a small portion to be divided up by the other 12 players. Veteran players taking a huge pay cut to play with the Heat, really aren't helping out their fellow players, they are just bringing down the salaries of non-superstar players. If this trend continues (there is already talk about Carmello Anthony taking 2 of his friends to play in NY or NJ next season), there will be a smaller percent of the NBA players making the majority of the money and the rest will have to settle for what's left. top heavy? more like west heavy....I would have taken any of the 8 west teams over the top 2 east teams last year.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Big Papa
since they arrived at the same time.. no i dont suppose it hurt his legacy So with LBJ and Bosh arriving at the same time do you believe it will affect either ?? I could see an argument for D. Wade but not the other 2.

[Emerson1]

No way the NBA investigates this.

If they investigate this, that means they might have to investigate the collusion that they masterminded for the Celtics and Lakers.

[Bull's-eye]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
top heavy? more like west heavy....I would have taken any of the 8 west teams over the top 2 east teams last year.

I was talking more about the money being top heavy, with most of the salary cap going to the elite players. A trend like this would force the average player to make less money.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Bull's-eye
I was talking more about the money being top heavy, with most of the salary cap going to the elite players. A trend like this would force the average player to make less money. Isn't that how it is in all sports? lol

[Bull's-eye]

Originally posted by Old Tiger
Isn't that how it is in all sports? lol

Yes, but having 3 players making close to 90% of a team's cap is taking it a bit to far. A recent study stated that after 5 years of retirement, 60% of the NBA players are broke. Hopefully, the player's union will do something to help take care of all their players and prevent this trend from getting worse.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Bull's-eye
Yes, but having 3 players making close to 90% of a team's cap is taking it a bit to far. A recent study stated that after 5 years of retirement, 60% of the NBA players are broke. Hopefully, the player's union will do something to help take care of all their players and prevent this trend from getting worse. I agree, hopefully something will be put in the next CBA to better balance salaries, but as OT said all major sports are top heavy. The bigger the name the bigger the paycheck.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by Emerson1
No way the NBA investigates this.

If they investigate this, that means they might have to investigate the collusion that they masterminded for the Celtics and Lakers. Seriously the Lakers got the most skilled post player in the game for a can of soda with Gasol.

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Hence the hypocrisy. THIS!

But ya know what....I say let it ride. Something tells me that this "hype" will soon blow over when this team implodes. Forecast: Ego Clashes w/ scattered lack of team unity and cohesion.

This is going to be a complete train wreck

EPIC FAIL!

Stay tuned.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by IHStangFan
THIS!

But ya know what....I say let it ride. Something tells me that this "hype" will soon blow over when this team implodes. Forecast: Ego Clashes w/ scattered lack of team unity and cohesion.

This is going to be a complete train wreck

EPIC FAIL!

Stay tuned.


They might not win a bunch of titles but I dont think egos will be a problem. They truly best friends and honestly none of the 3 has ever been accused of being an ego problem on the court.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
They might not win a bunch of titles but I dont think egos will be a problem. They truly best friends and honestly none of the 3 has ever been accused of being an ego problem on the court. I agree. It is a different deal than say an owner throwng a bunch of stars together. I can see these guys winning at least 1, if not 2 titles, together and then splitting up when their contracts are up.

[JasperDog94]

The Lakers tried it with Karl Molone and Gary Peyton. But those guys were past their prime. Plus Kobe and Karl had an "incident" involving Kobe's wife. Maybe they were playing in Colorado when all that went down.:doh:

[Bull's-eye]

One problem that could rear it's ugly head would be injuries. Having so much money tied up into 3 players, Miami would be finacially strapped & would have a difficult time finding replacements. All 3 players are relatively young & haven't had a major history of injuries, but you could possibly see this being concern toward the later stages of their contracts. About 3 years ago, Wade did miss about 2/3 of a season with a shoulder injury.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
The Lakers tried it with Karl Molone and Gary Peyton. But those guys were past their prime. Plus Kobe and Karl had an "incident" involving Kobe's wife. Maybe they were playing in Colorado when all that went down.:doh: Who didn't Karl Malone try to sleep with?