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Ranger Mom
06-01-2010, 05:36 PM
I don't normally have a problem with the military, but this is so wrong....I hope they get it rectified:

Link (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95168184.html)

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Gary Pfleider II served his country for six years before he became a member of the new generation of disabled veterans.

Pfleider, a former Oregon National Guard soldier, was shot by a sniper while on patrol in Iraq in September 2007. He has only vague memories of the event, but now must live with a permanent reminder -- a brace he'll have to wear on his leg for the rest of his life.

"I remember grabbing a hold of my leg, and realizing I had blood on my hands," he said. "And from that point on until I got loaded onto the Stryker was just a big blur."

Three days after he was shot, Pfleider received a Purple Heart.

Almost two years later, he received a bill from the military for missing equipment.

The sum of the bill, which includes interest, is $3,175. It itemizes a list of gear the military issued to Pfleider that did not come back with his unit in 2008. The lists includes clothing items, canteens and grenades.

Pfleider, who now walks with a cane, believes the items were lost after he was flown out of the country for medical treatment. He doesn't believe he should be held responsible for the items, but the military disagrees.

The federal government has been deducting money from his disability check each month to cover the billed costs. And Pfleider said the feds withheld his tax return for the same reason.

Capt. Stephan Bomar with the Oregon National Guard said the bill was issued by Joint Base Lewis-McChord, where Pfleider spent a year recovering from his injury. Bomar added it is customary for soldiers in Pfleider's situation to be billed for missing equipment.

"It's one of the processes. That way, we keep good accountability for the equipment," he said.

Bomar said Pfleider should submit a sworn statement explaining his situation and requesting reimbursement.

But Pfleider has already done that. He still has a copy of his sworn statement, which he signed and submitted at the Albany, Oregon armory in February. The former soldier fears his case is lost in a pile of paperwork between Oregon and Washington.

"Honestly, I do. I think it's just sitting somewhere on somebody's desk at Fort Lewis, and they just don't want to mess with it because they don't think it's a big enough issue," he said.

But to Pfleider, who is scheduled to undergo his ninth leg surgery, the delay is an additional source of stress.

"To me, it's my livelihood," he said.

The veteran is still battling with flashbacks, and trying to adjust to civilian life. He said he never thought he'd have to fight the military once he returned home.

"Car going down a road, backfiring -- it still sends me into flashbacks of being over there. But I deal with it, because I know it's part of my life that's never going to leave," he said.

Lewis-McChord officials said they're looking into Pfleider's charges. Bomar said unless the charges are found to be erroneous, Pfleider will still have to pay the full sum.

IrishTex
06-01-2010, 06:00 PM
An incredible story.

If the government wants to be that tight-wad about it, he should sue the government for hazardous duty to recover the amount of money it would cost for the equipment charges.

sinton66
06-01-2010, 06:18 PM
Once a soldier is wounded and semi-conscious, it becomes his patrol leader's responsibility to look after his equipment. They're charging the wrong soldier IMO.

bigwood33
06-01-2010, 08:24 PM
RM, I agree. The government is a difficult thing to navigate so this doesn't surprise me. What I can't believe is that no local group has held a fundraiser to pay is bill...this hero certainly paid theirs.

IrishTex
06-01-2010, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by bigwood33
RM, I agree. The government is a difficult thing to navigate so this doesn't surprise me. What I can't believe is that no local group has held a fundraiser to pay is bill...this hero certainly paid theirs.

I think your idea is noble and caring, but there is no way personal funds should be raised for this and here's why I think that.

The taxpayers have already paid this bill. It doesn't make sense to pay again. The governement needs to throw this invoice out as there is a precedence set about matters of war and equipment used in government actions.

loboes86
06-01-2010, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by bigwood33
RM, I agree. The government is a difficult thing to navigate so this doesn't surprise me. What I can't believe is that no local group has held a fundraiser to pay is bill...this hero certainly paid theirs. Looks to me like he payed that bill in full plus a little extra with the mental and physical injuries he got for doing what his (our) country asked him to do. Kinda makes a person go Hmmmmmm.

Keith7
06-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Oh man, I didn't really want the thread moved :( :doh:

Trashman
06-01-2010, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by loboes86
Looks to me like he payed that bill in full plus a little extra with the mental and physical injuries he got for doing what his (our) country asked him to do. Kinda makes a person go Hmmmmmm.


When I served as the commander of a headquarters company of a tank battalion....I was responsible for 87 million dollars of government equipment. If any part or piece of it was missing I had to pony up. Fortunately i had good troops who took care of their equipment and it was all accounted for at the end of my command.

Farmersfan
06-02-2010, 09:08 AM
I understand that buying and selling 'black market" military equipment is pretty big business these days. The Government has passed new laws preventing pawn shops from even possessing Military issued equipment because the problem is so big. If you consider the US spends almost 700 Billion per year on our military it isn't any wonder they are trying to crack down on theft of military equipment. If we have ALL the facts concerning this person's case then it's a shame he got caught up in the wash. but it really is a miricle that more innocent people don't. Someone should step up and evaluate this case and pencil whip it!!! But maybe someone already has already evaluated it and we aren't privy to what they found out!!!!

Emerson1
06-02-2010, 09:54 AM
My friend in the marines got charged $30 because he left a pair of the marine short shorts.

So they mark up the price on stuff too because it was maybe $0.75 in material

rockdale80
06-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Stupid socialist military....

Farmersfan
06-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
My friend in the marines got charged $30 because he left a pair of the marine short shorts.

So they mark up the price on stuff too because it was maybe $0.75 in material




Based on history, they probably paid 30$ for those underwear!!!!

TexMike
06-02-2010, 09:01 PM
As I suspected, there is more to the story. Apparently the bill is not for missing equipment from his combat service. We can discuss whether or not he should be billed for anything under teh circumstances but it may not be as cut and dried as first thought


JBLM: Purple Heart recipient not billed for missing equipment
Fact BoxJOINT BASE LEWIS-MCCHORD STATEMENT
The military base south of Tacoma issued a statement Wednesday saying:

Joint Base Lewis-McChord and the Oregon National Guard has researched this issue involving Gary Pfleider and determined there is no indebtedness to this individual for missing equipment either from Joint Base Lewis-McChord or the Oregon National Guard.

Gary Pfleider was discharged from the active Army on/about Sept 10, 2008. A Financial Liability Investigation of Property Loss (FLIPL) was conducted at JBLM in Sept 2008 for equipment still on his records. At that time it was determined there was no liability or negligence due to MEDEVAC (medical evacuation), and he was relieved of the financial liability and property accountability.

Due to the individual's privacy (Privacy Act), we cannot discuss the nature of Mr. Pfleider's outstanding charges; however, we have asked KVAL television in Oregon to put Mr. Pfleider in contact with the Defense Finance and Accounting Service who will discuss the nature of the charges with him.

)Joint Base Lewis-McChord has issued a response Wednesday regarding the story of a former Oregon National Guard soldier who said he was billed for missing equipment.

An injured soldier who spent a year recovering at Joint Base Lewis-McChord said the military gave him a Purple Heart - and a bill for $3,000, KIRO-TV reported earlier in the week.

Former Oregon National Guard soldier Gary Pfleider told the news station that the base billed him for equipment he allegedly lost. In 2007, Pfleider was shot by a sniper in Iraq.

"I remember grabbing a hold of my leg and pulling my hands out and realizing that I had blood on my hands. And from that point on, until I got loaded onto the Stryker, was just a big blur," Pfleider said to KIRO.

Pfleider received a Purple Heart three days after he was shot. Two years later, he got a bill from the military for missing equipment, including clothing and grenades. Pfleider contends he lost the gear when he left Iraq and shouldn't be responsible for it now, but the federal government is taking money from his disability check each month.

JBLM officials told the news station that the base was investigating the issue.

The military base south of Tacoma issued a statement Wednesday saying:


Joint Base Lewis-McChord and the Oregon National Guard has researched this issue involving Gary Pfleider and determined there is no indebtedness to this individual for missing equipment either from Joint Base Lewis-McChord or the Oregon National Guard.

Gary Pfleider was discharged from the active Army on/about Sept 10, 2008. A Financial Liability Investigation of Property Loss (FLIPL) was conducted at JBLM in Sept 2008 for equipment still on his records. At that time it was determined there was no liability or negligence due to MEDEVAC (medical evacuation), and he was relieved of the financial liability and property accountability.

Due to the individual's privacy (Privacy Act), we cannot discuss the nature of Mr. Pfleider's outstanding charges; however, we have asked KVAL television in Oregon to put Mr. Pfleider in contact with the Defense Finance and Accounting Service who will discuss the nature of the charges with him



Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/06/02/1209777/purple-heart-recipient-billed.html#ixzz0pkcwD2DA

turbostud
06-02-2010, 09:19 PM
If its not for missing equipment, most of the time when military people get money deducted from their pay, its for Government Travel Card charges. Every military member is issued a Gov Travel Card to charge Government related travel expenses on, which the Government pays the bill for.
Alot of times charges appear that do not qualify to get paid for, like alcohol, strip clubs, etc... Usually a member will get in trouble for charges like that, but not if he was released from active duty.
Not saying this is what it is for, just that this sort of stuff happens all the time.

Farmersfan
06-03-2010, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by turbostud
If its not for missing equipment, most of the time when military people get money deducted from their pay, its for Government Travel Card charges. Every military member is issued a Gov Travel Card to charge Government related travel expenses on, which the Government pays the bill for.
Alot of times charges appear that do not qualify to get paid for, like alcohol, strip clubs, etc... Usually a member will get in trouble for charges like that, but not if he was released from active duty.
Not saying this is what it is for, just that this sort of stuff happens all the time.





Perhaps the charges stem from equipment that came up missing a long time AFTER the incident in Irag. If he brought his equipment home and it came up missing a year or so after the incident I would say he IS responsible for it.