Congratulations....

[LE Dad]

Al Gore, proud owner of a new home, 8.875 million 5 bed 9 bath (don't ask me how that works?) with six caron emitting fireplaces. This should go nicely with his 10,000 square ft house in Nashville. Alfred Nobel is turning over in his grave.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Al Gore, proud owner of a new home, 8.875 million 5 bed 9 bath (don't ask me how that works?) with six caron emitting fireplaces. This should go nicely with his 10,000 square ft house in Nashville. Alfred Nobel is turning over in his grave.

Nobel invented dynamite. Maybe somebody could use it on Gore's house.:devil:

[waterboy]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Al Gore, proud owner of a new home, 8.875 million 5 bed 9 bath (don't ask me how that works?) with six caron emitting fireplaces. This should go nicely with his 10,000 square ft house in Nashville. Alfred Nobel is turning over in his grave.
Yep, and I'm sure that house leaves absolutely no carbon blueprint......:rolleyes:.......and none of his vehicles or planes do, either. :doh:

[LE Dad]

I understand that global warming needs a spokesman, but can't they do a little better than this?:confused: :confused:

Seriously! Al can't go back to, "it's not how big your footprint is, but what you are doing to reduce it" line again... can he?:confused:

Or maybe he is saving the planet by buying every mansion he can, since he can only live in one at a time maybe he is turning the lights off in the other one?.... Oh, wait they are all fully staffed.:doh:

[rojosgirl]

:confused:

[Pick6]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
Nobel invented dynamite. Maybe somebody could use it on Gore's house.:devil:

With Gore in it...lol

[LE Dad]

Gore=Hypocrite:devil:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Al Gore, proud owner of a new home, 8.875 million 5 bed 9 bath (don't ask me how that works?) with six caron emitting fireplaces. This should go nicely with his 10,000 square ft house in Nashville. Alfred Nobel is turning over in his grave.

This home is reportedly located right on the seashore too LOL, I guess he's not that worried about rising sea levels. :rolleyes:

[Pick6]

Since when does Gore say what he means or mean what he says.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

I think it's funny how all of you act like you're better than Al Gore. Honestly, what did he do to you? He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. First you cry and complain about how the rich should be able to spend their money how they see fit and live a lavish lifestyle if they want to because they earned it, but then when a rich person actually does it you chastise them. You people are great. :clap:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think it's funny how all of you act like you're better than Al Gore. Honestly, what did he do to you? He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. First you cry and complain about how the rich should be able to spend their money how they see fit and live a lavish lifestyle if they want to because they earned it, but then when a rich person actually does it you chastise them. You people are great. :clap: I am certainly not better than $8 million home owner, but when that 8 million home owner is telling me I must reduce my carbon footprint and he will reduce his?? How are 6 fireplaces going to reduce emmissions?:nerd:

Gore=Hypocrite

[UPanIN]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think it's funny how all of you act like you're better than Al Gore. Honestly, what did he do to you? He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. First you cry and complain about how the rich should be able to spend their money how they see fit and live a lavish lifestyle if they want to because they earned it, but then when a rich person actually does it you chastise them. You people are great. :clap:

Everyone in the scientfic community did not embrace the so called evidence as factual.

Algore jumped on the green band wagon early and made a bundle. He can spend it anyway he likes.

[BEAST]

Originally posted by LE Dad
I am certainly not better than $8 million home owner, but when that 8 million home owner is telling me I must reduce my carbon footprint and he will reduce his?? How are 6 fireplaces going to reduce emmissions?:nerd:

Gore=Hypocrite


Thats kinda like BHO telling Spains president that he had to control his deficit spending. HELLO???




BEAST

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think it's funny how all of you act like you're better than Al Gore. Honestly, what did he do to you? He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. First you cry and complain about how the rich should be able to spend their money how they see fit and live a lavish lifestyle if they want to because they earned it, but then when a rich person actually does it you chastise them. You people are great. :clap:

You kidding right?
Do we not have a "Cap and Trade" bill still on the books?!?! Passed by the House and awaiting Senate approval.
If that passes then he will have cost me mucho dinero.
I won't even talk about bajillions of kids forced to watch his propaganda movie(in tax payed-for scruels) about the end of the world, and the damage that has been done, with a flawed science that looks to be intentionally skewed . :hand:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BEAST
Thats kinda like BHO telling Spains president that he had to control his deficit spending. HELLO???




BEAST Pretty similar, and both have similar credibilty IMO.:rolleyes:

[injuredinmelee]

He must be making a mint selling the green credits to these morons whooop believe his crap.

[garciap77]

Hundreds attend Global Warming Protest….. Al Gore upset!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/snowmen.jpg

Al Gore was very upset at the size and scope of this protest !!


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/al-gore-global-warming.jpg

Hey Clueless Al, did you know it was 52 BELOW ZERO in mid January in Maine?

:D

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by garciap77
Hundreds attend Global Warming Protest….. Al Gore upset!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/snowmen.jpg

Al Gore was very upset at the size and scope of this protest !!


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/al-gore-global-warming.jpg

Hey Clueless Al, did you know it was 52 BELOW ZERO in mid January in Maine?

:D That is why "Global Warming" is no longer mentioned... Now it is all "Climate Change":doh: :doh: Give me a break!!:rolleyes:

When it stops snowing in winter and getting hot in the summer then come talk to me.:D and quit buying huge freakin houses!!

:mad: :p

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by LE Dad
That is why "Global Warming" is no longer mentioned... Now it is all "Climate Change":doh: :doh: Give me a break!!:rolleyes:

When it stops snowing in winter and getting hot in the summer then come talk to me.:D and quit buying huge freakin houses!!

:mad: :p Thats Right!! amen brother!!! Oh and Drill Baby Drill!!! :clap:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Thats Right!! amen brother!!! Oh and Drill Baby Drill!!! :clap: Looks like that is what Gore might want, but don't tell anyone... Gotta fuel those jets and Navigators with something.:D

Al has gone from leaving a footprint to leaving an a$$print.:rolleyes: :p but don't worry he will encourage everyone else to pick up the slack.:D

[garciap77]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Thats Right!! amen brother!!! Oh and Drill Baby Drill!!! :clap:

:thinking:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/Barack_Obama_Says_Drill_Baby_Drill_.jpg

:D




;)

[garciap77]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Looks like that is what Gore might want, but don't tell anyone... Gotta fuel those jets and Navigators with something.:D

Al has gone from leaving a footprint to leaving an a$$print.:rolleyes: :p but don't worry he will encourage everyone else to pick up the slack.:D

Al Gore's Footprint in 2005!
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/carbonFootprint.jpg





Al Gore's Footprint in 2010!
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/The_Human_Footprint.jpg



:D

P.S. LE! Could not post a$$print without some kind of "BANNING RESULTS"!:D

[turbostud]

Originally posted by LE Dad
That is why "Global Warming" is no longer mentioned... Now it is all "Climate Change":doh: :doh: Give me a break!!:rolleyes:

When it stops snowing in winter and getting hot in the summer then come talk to me.:D and quit buying huge freakin houses!!

:mad: :p

Now John Kerry and Joe Leiberman have started "The American Power Act". They are trying to get in on the $$$$$.
When the money runs dry on one name, just invent a new name so the $$ keeps flowing. Ridiculous.

[turbostud]

Has everyone heard of Maurice Strong? He said this:

"What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.

Will they do it? Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"


Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Program and is an Under Secretary of the United Nations, AND SITS ON THE BOARD OF THE CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CCX).
This means that all of the money created by the proposed Cap & Trade bill (or whatever they are calling it today) will be funneled through this mans hands.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by turbostud
Has everyone heard of Maurice Strong? He said this:

"What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.

Will they do it? Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"


Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Program and is an Under Secretary of the United Nations, AND SITS ON THE BOARD OF THE CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CCX).
This means that all of the money created by the proposed Cap & Trade bill (or whatever they are calling it today) will be funneled through this mans hands.

Yes, I have heard of him and he has also been quoted as saying this:

"Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child."

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[turbostud]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Yes, I have heard of him and he has also been quoted as saying this:

"Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child."

:eek: :eek: :eek:

He was also a part of the UN's Oil For Food Scam. This where our $$$$$ is going to go folks. Thanks to good ole BHO and Cap and Trade.

[BEAST]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Yes, I have heard of him and he has also been quoted as saying this:

"Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child."

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I actually like this idea, as long as its only enforced on BHO and Co. We cant handle any more of these idiots.




BEAST

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by garciap77
:thinking:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/Barack_Obama_Says_Drill_Baby_Drill_.jpg

:D




;) :clap: :clap:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by garciap77




:D

P.S. LE! Could not post a$$print without some kind of "BANNING RESULTS"!:D That is quite alright Garcia, some pics are better left unposted. :thinking:








:D

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by turbostud
He was also a part of the UN's Oil For Food Scam. This where our $$$$$ is going to go folks. Thanks to good ole BHO and Cap and Trade. Cap and trade= bendover and take it.:thinking:

[ronwx5x]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think it's funny how all of you act like you're better than Al Gore. Honestly, what did he do to you? He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. First you cry and complain about how the rich should be able to spend their money how they see fit and live a lavish lifestyle if they want to because they earned it, but then when a rich person actually does it you chastise them. You people are great. :clap:

My take is that people are not upset that Al Gore is wealthy and spends money on lavish homes. I believe the whole criticisim stems from the fact that Mr. Gore faults others for creating global warming and then becomes one of the obviously guilty parties. Isn't there some old adage about people who live in glass houses not throwing stones?

Personally, I think if he wants to build a large home and he has the funds, have at it. Just don't criticize others who do the same.:doh:

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
He presented what he and everybody else in the scientific community claimed and embraced as factual evidence with the hopes of helping improve the world. :


I will ignore the fact Gore has made a ton of money on the carbon footprint investments and simply ask...If all he presents is factual and true why is he buying a house that will NOT HELP the enviroment? Is that not going agianst exactly what he preaches about?

And there are alot of liberals and green movement folks who are pretty pissed about Gore doing this as well. They feel he is selling them out

[Charlie47]

Lest we forget Mr Al invented the internet, not a small
accomplishment.:D ;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Lest we forget Mr Al invented the internet, not a small
accomplishment.:D ;) Thus allowing citizens of the world to spend countless hours using countless Kilowatts of power. Just one more way Al Gore adds to the demise of our planet.:thinking: :nerd:






That's if you believe in the climate change crap.:p :D





If civilazation ends blame Al Gore.:mad:

[Charlie47]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Thus allowing citizens of the world to spend countless hours using countless Kilowatts of power. Just one more way Al Gore adds to the demise of our planet.:thinking: :nerd:






That's if you believe in the climate change crap.:p :D





If civilazation ends blame Al Gore.:mad:

:clap: :D

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Lest we forget Mr Al invented the internet, not a small
accomplishment.:D ;)



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Spoken like a true republican with blinders on. He never said that he invented the internet. That was republican spin.




http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by rockdale80
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Spoken like a true republican with blinders on. He never said that he invented the internet. That was republican spin.




http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp but he did say that evryone needs to decrease their carbon footprint.:thinking:

Guess he is not including himself?? :rolleyes:

[Charlie47]

Originally posted by LE Dad
but he did say that evryone needs to decrease their carbon footprint.:thinking:

Guess he is not including himself?? :rolleyes:

Hey LE Dad,
He's in Austin, "Keep Austin Weird" ;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Hey LE Dad,
He's in Austin, "Keep Austin Weird" ;) It does explain alot!:D

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Hey LE Dad,
He's in Austin, "Keep Austin Weird" ;)


Weird how? Because I can think for myself and refuse to regurgitate republican puke? Because I chose to go look up the information before I blindly followed a republican journalist and republican hack?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Come on now...

Did you know that his mansion in TN also serves as an office for him and his wife and the information that was first leaked about consumption there was exaggerated. When you consider that this is an office, the climate, and the size of the homestead it is relatively comparable to an average "home" in terms of usage. Also, he has since installed geothermal heating, solar panels, and rain catches. I am sure the new home he purchased will probably stay as is with no "green" upgrades though, right? Regardless, you will ignore them because it isnt self serving to you....


;) :kiss:

[Charlie47]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Weird how? Because I can think for myself and refuse to regurgitate republican puke? Because I chose to go look up the information before I blindly followed a republican journalist and republican hack?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Come on now...

Did you know that his mansion in TN also serves as an office for him and his wife and the information that was first leaked about consumption there was exaggerated. When you consider that this is an office, the climate, and the size of the homestead it is relatively comparable to an average "home" in terms of usage. Also, he has since installed geothermal heating, solar panels, and rain catches. I am sure the new home he purchased will probably stay as is with no "green" upgrades though, right? Regardless, you will ignore them because it isnt self serving to you....


;) :kiss:

Young Man, I've tried to keep this light. I've made no
attack. THis is my last comment on this subject. I'm too
dang old/mature to ever except you socialist president.
That includes any of your democrat crap. You talk about me being blind, I'm the one who see's!
The End
:mad: ;);) ;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Young Man, I've tried to keep this light. I've made no
attack. THis is my last comment on this subject. I'm too
dang old/mature to ever except you socialist president.
That includes any of your democrat crap. You talk about me being blind, I'm the one who see's!
The End
:mad: ;);) ;) :clap: :clap: Well said Charlie!:D

[turbostud]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Weird how? Because I can think for myself and refuse to regurgitate republican puke? Because I chose to go look up the information before I blindly followed a republican journalist and republican hack?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Come on now...

Did you know that his mansion in TN also serves as an office for him and his wife and the information that was first leaked about consumption there was exaggerated. When you consider that this is an office, the climate, and the size of the homestead it is relatively comparable to an average "home" in terms of usage. Also, he has since installed geothermal heating, solar panels, and rain catches. I am sure the new home he purchased will probably stay as is with no "green" upgrades though, right? Regardless, you will ignore them because it isnt self serving to you....


;) :kiss:

I have an office in my house. Big deal. And I am sure many others do as well.
Did you know Gore said all of the Arctic ice would disappear in 2008?
Did you know Gore said sea levels were going to rise 40 to 60 feet?
Did you know he said those are based upon peer reviewed papers and the IPCC reports?
Yet you still follow and defend him. LMAO.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Young Man, I've tried to keep this light. I've made no
attack. THis is my last comment on this subject. I'm too
dang old/mature to ever except you socialist president.
That includes any of your democrat crap. You talk about me being blind, I'm the one who see's!
The End
:mad: ;);) ;)

No need to worry about him. His ignorance and lack of any intellectual honesty have been evident for some time. He actually used snopes as a source. Thats just down right funny.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by rockdale80
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Spoken like a true republican with blinders on. He never said that he invented the internet. That was republican spin.




http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

You are kidding right?!?!
Do you still blindly believe Man is causing global warming?:eek:
Where is your proof?:thinking:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Weird how? Because I can think for myself and refuse to regurgitate republican puke? Because I chose to go look up the information before I blindly followed a republican journalist and republican hack?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Come on now...

Did you know that his mansion in TN also serves as an office for him and his wife and the information that was first leaked about consumption there was exaggerated. When you consider that this is an office, the climate, and the size of the homestead it is relatively comparable to an average "home" in terms of usage. Also, he has since installed geothermal heating, solar panels, and rain catches. I am sure the new home he purchased will probably stay as is with no "green" upgrades though, right? Regardless, you will ignore them because it isnt self serving to you....


;) :kiss: Come on now...

I run 5 offices staffed with 36 people and the combined square footage is still less than the 10,000 that his Tennesee "office" encompasses. Not sure what kind of square footage you consider average or what type of eco friendly glasses you are looking thru but.... If 2 people with a modest staff require 5,000 sq ft what is the other 5 used for? Oh right modest suburban living. PLEAAASSSE!:doh:

Now don't even get me started on this new 9 bath, 6 fire place, enviromentalist dream home.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by SintonFan
You are kidding right?!?!
Do you still blindly believe Man is causing global warming?:eek:
Where is your proof?:thinking:

He is certain its true because it was in the Huffington Post. LOL. By the way R80 you can spin it how you want but good ol' Al is the poster child for hypocrisy. I will say he can have all the planes and mansions he wants because I think he really knows the fallacy in the BS he spews. He is clearly making buckets of money doing it (like a good capitalist). Its unfortunate people actually believe what this buffoon says.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
He is certain its true because it was in the Huffington Post. LOL. By the way R80 you can spin it how you want but good ol' Al is the poster child for hypocrisy. I will say he can have all the planes and mansions he wants because I think he really knows the fallacy in the BS he spews. He is clearly making buckets of money doing it (like a good capitalist). Its unfortunate people actually believe what this buffoon says. Al Gore- A modern day snake oil salesman.:rolleyes:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
No need to worry about him. His ignorance and lack of any intellectual honesty have been evident for some time. He actually used snopes as a source. Thats just down right funny.

A source that is accurate. Prove me wrong if you think you are right....:hand:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Young Man, I've tried to keep this light. I've made no
attack. THis is my last comment on this subject. I'm too
dang old/mature to ever except you socialist president.
That includes any of your democrat crap. You talk about me being blind, I'm the one who see's!
The End
:mad: ;);) ;)


Accept or except? If you are going to toss out ridiculous statements because you heard them come out of a right wings mouth then expect me to toss it back at you. Socialist? That is another right wing attack word game.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
He is certain its true because it was in the Huffington Post. LOL. By the way R80 you can spin it how you want but good ol' Al is the poster child for hypocrisy. I will say he can have all the planes and mansions he wants because I think he really knows the fallacy in the BS he spews. He is clearly making buckets of money doing it (like a good capitalist). Its unfortunate people actually believe what this buffoon says.

Its not a spin. I merely pointed out the flaws in your argument and slander (well libel since we are on forum). Take it for what it is worth. As usual I am the jerk because I bring facts to the table and those would never beat your opinions...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Its not a spin. I merely pointed out the flaws in your argument and slander (well libel since we are on forum). Take it for what it is worth. As usual I am the jerk because I bring facts to the table and those would never beat your opinions...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Hmmmm, funny I guess you missed my post?

or....

maybe you realized how absurd your "average sized home" comment really was.:thinking:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Hmmmm, funny I guess you missed my post?

or....

maybe you realized how absurd your "average sized home" comment really was.:thinking:

Its not absurd and that office and home employs more than just Al and Tipper. Is it in excess? Yes. Never said it wasnt. Just said that the "Breaking News Story" was grossly exaggerated and didnt take other variables into account. You also ignored all the eco friendly enhancements I listed out that he had added to that home. Also, they were buying green energy blocks as energy for their home/office. Not defending it as you implied, but its not like he is smashing bottles of freon in his backyard either like some of you would like to believe. Of course, freon doesnt hurt the environment because our actions dont affect the environment, right?



;) :kiss: :kiss:

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Its not absurd and that office and home employs more than just Al and Tipper. Is it in excess? Yes. Never said it wasnt. Just said that the "Breaking News Story" was grossly exaggerated and didnt take other variables into account. You also ignored all the eco friendly enhancements I listed out that he had added to that home. Also, they were buying green energy blocks as energy for their home/office. Not defending it as you implied, but its not like he is smashing bottles of freon in his backyard either like some of you would like to believe. Of course, freon doesnt hurt the environment because our actions dont affect the environment, right?



;) :kiss: :kiss:

Haven't you realized by this point that since the majority of the people on here believe the same thing, it must be true? Throw fact and logic out the window, let's just follow the crowd.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by rockdale80
A source that is accurate. Prove me wrong if you think you are right....:hand:

Where does the leftist side get off even saying man is causing global warming?
Where is the evidence?!?!
Again, where is your proof?
Are we supposed to take this on faith because it can't be proven?

The reason why many folks have questioned this premise from the beginning is because many of us can recognize BS when we see it.
That is very accurate, and doesn't take a scientist to weed through all the BS.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Its not absurd and that office and home employs more than just Al and Tipper. Is it in excess? Yes. Never said it wasnt. Just said that the "Breaking News Story" was grossly exaggerated and didnt take other variables into account. You also ignored all the eco friendly enhancements I listed out that he had added to that home. Also, they were buying green energy blocks as energy for their home/office. Not defending it as you implied, but its not like he is smashing bottles of freon in his backyard either like some of you would like to believe. Of course, freon doesnt hurt the environment because our actions dont affect the environment, right?



;) :kiss: :kiss: Wow, I think we might actually agree! My whole point for this thread was to point out that this new home was way in excess of the simple green homes that a lot of "end of the world" folks try to push. I think it is great that he can afford 2 large homes and is making them more energy efficient. I am a firm believer in making a home more efficient and I also try to be as eco friendly as feasible. I do not do it because I feel the world is ending though. I do it to save money and to make the earth a little cleaner place. I think if the eco groups would take this approach instead of gloom and doom and encourage instead of forcing change they would find things would change with less resistance.:)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Haven't you realized by this point that since the majority of the people on here believe the same thing, it must be true? Throw fact and logic out the window, let's just follow the crowd. As usual you are mistaken... I follow NO ONE, I am a leader always have been always will be. That is one reason I do not believe in climate change but do believe in conservation and being eco friendly because I studied BOTH SIDES.... I repeat BOTH SIDES of the issues and drew my on conclusions:cool:

[waterboy]

Originally posted by LE Dad
....I do it to save money....
:clap: And I'll bet that this is the MAIN reason anything he has is energy efficient, because he knows he's been lying all along......

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by waterboy
:clap: And I'll bet that this is the MAIN reason anything he has is energy efficient, because he knows he's been lying all along......

I'll agree with that with one caveat, MONEY is the main reason Gore preaches (pun intended) this stuff.

He has and will continue to make millions off of "climate change", no one can deny that, heck he doesn't deny it. And there's not a thing in the world wrong with making as much money as one can, it's the American way. The big problem, as far as I'm concerned, is HOW he's making this money, through political manipulation. When evidence came forth that the studies he cites were flawed and manipulated, he refuses to debate the issue and goes on about his merry way. Just more political gerrymandering. And his followers just keep on following.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by waterboy
:clap: And I'll bet that this is the MAIN reason anything he has is energy efficient, because he knows he's been lying all along...... Exactly, I wish I had the money to put in a massive geo thermal unit. those things save 100's if not 1,000's of $$ a year, especially if you are heating and cooling 10,000 sq ft.
If they would use that approach it would not fuffle sooo many people, but then again they don't award the Nobel Prize for that... do they?:thinking:

:D

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by LE Dad
As usual you are mistaken... I follow NO ONE, I am a leader always have been always will be. That is one reason I do not believe in climate change but do believe in conservation and being eco friendly because I studied BOTH SIDES.... I repeat BOTH SIDES of the issues and drew my on conclusions:cool:

Now that's a joke if I've ever seen one. You may have been placed in a position where you're somebody's boss in whatever line of work you're in, but you're not an alpha male.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Now that's a joke if I've ever seen one. You may have been placed in a position where you're somebody's boss in whatever line of work you're in, but you're not an alpha male. Wrong agaaaiiiin!!! I have been in a position of authority EVERWHERE I have EVER worked. One day you might get a clue about life and its pecking order. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LOL You are hilarious!!:p

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Where does the leftist side get off even saying man is causing global warming?
Where is the evidence?!?!
Again, where is your proof?
Are we supposed to take this on faith because it can't be proven?

The reason why many folks have questioned this premise from the beginning is because many of us can recognize BS when we see it.
That is very accurate, and doesn't take a scientist to weed through all the BS.

Where is it just the leftist side saying we're the only cause of global warming?

There is undoubted evidence to support that the actions that we're taking are causing holes in the ozone layer and releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, all of which have been scientifically proven to be detrimental to the environment. Even if what we're doing is a small player when compared to a natural heating and cooling cycle of our planet, we're still not helping our cause. That isn't BS, it's just more Republican propaganda so that there will be fewer environmental restrictions on big businesses so they can get more money and so politicians can get more money.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Where is it just the leftist side saying we're the only cause of global warming?

There is undoubted evidence to support that the actions that we're taking are causing holes in the ozone layer and releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, all of which have been scientifically proven to be detrimental to the environment. Even if what we're doing is a small player when compared to a natural heating and cooling cycle of our planet, we're still not helping our cause. That isn't BS, it's just more Republican propaganda so that there will be fewer environmental restrictions on big businesses so they can get more money and so politicians can get more money. Duh everytime we breath we release carbon dioxide.:doh: So why don't you quit breathing and I will follow... Get back with me on how that is working to reduce our impact.:thinking:

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Wrong agaaaiiiin!!! I have been in a position of authority EVERWHERE I have EVER worked. One day you might get a clue about life and its pecking order. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LOL You are hilarious!!:p

Like I said, you were placed in a position to be a leader. That doesn't exactly make you a leader of men. If you and a group of people were placed on a deserted island, odds are you wouldn't be the alpha male, unless there were other men just like you.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Like I said, you were placed in a position to be a leader. That doesn't exactly make you a leader of men. If you and a group of people were placed on a deserted island, odds are you wouldn't be the alpha male, unless there were other men just like you. Lol, you still don't get it do you?? No one is placed anywhere that's a socialist thought. People EARN their positions in a free market. There is no way I could explain leadership to someone who has never experienced it... so I won't waste my time on it with you.:hand:

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Lol, you still don't get it do you?? No one is placed anywhere that's a socialist thought. People EARN their positions in a free market. There is no way I could explain leadership to someone who has never experienced it... so I won't waste my time on it with you.:hand:


Not exactly what I meant. I wasn't trying to underscore your experience or qualifications, that wasn't the point. The point was those are the reasons you were placed in a position of power over your peers, for whatever reason. Managerial qualifications do nothing to exude the ability to be a leader of men.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
That isn't BS, it's just more Republican propaganda so that there will be fewer environmental restrictions on big businesses so they can get more money and so politicians can get more money.

Excuse me, just who is making the money off of this??????? Almost $9,000,000.00 for a second house, by the very sea that is supposed to rise 40-60 feet? :hand:

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Excuse me, just who is making the money off of this??????? Almost $9,000,000.00 for a second house, by the very sea that is supposed to rise 40-60 feet? :hand:

Where did he say that?

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Where did he say that?

My apologies BBDE, 20 feet according to an "An Inconvenient Truth"

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Not exactly what I meant. I wasn't trying to underscore your experience or qualifications, that wasn't the point. The point was those are the reasons you were placed in a position of power over your peers, for whatever reason. Managerial qualifications do nothing to exude the ability to be a leader of men. Lol... You are right to be a leader of men you must command respect.
You don't do this by:
1. begging for apoligies that are not due you.

2. Making weak, one sided arguments with little or no facts.
3. Quitting something you started and covering up with some weak excuse.
4. Failing to follow thru on simple pledges, such as donating $20.
5. Going off on a tangent in a thread because you are unable to defend your position in the debate.
....and the list could go on, but lets get back on topic...

6 fireplaces and 9 bathrooms. :thinking:


Your turn. :thinking:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Excuse me, just who is making the money off of this??????? Almost $9,000,000.00 for a second house, by the very sea that is supposed to rise 40-60 feet? :hand: He is unable or unwilling to answer.:nerd:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
He is unable or unwilling to answer.:nerd:

That's ok, he'll be back. We just have to wait and see which tangent he transitions to....he's researching....

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Reds fan
That's ok, he'll be back. We just have to wait and see which tangent he transitions to....he's researching.... I don't know... He might have tried to quit breathing to reduce carbon dioxcide.lol

It is our planet he is saving.:D

[turbostud]

The photo the Global Warming Wackos dont want you see.

USS Skate (http://ihatealgore.com/?p=328)

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by turbostud
The photo the Global Warming Wackos dont want you see.

USS Skate (http://ihatealgore.com/?p=328)

:nerd: No, no, no, that's a fake photo like the lunar landings! In 1958 they (Republicans) knew about global warming and that they would have to create evidence to try and debunk Al Gore! :D

[turbostud]

Originally posted by Reds fan
:nerd: No, no, no, that's a fake photo like the lunar landings! In 1958 they (Republicans) knew about global warming and that they would have to create evidence to try and debunk Al Gore! :D

LOL. Here's something else for Global Warming Wackos to choke on.

October Through March Was the Snowiest On Record In The Northern Hemisphere.
But of course:
The experts at East Anglia and CRU told us in 2000 that :

(March, 2000) According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.
Link (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/13/october-through-march-was-the-snowiest-on-record-in-the-northern-hemisphere/)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by turbostud
The photo the Global Warming Wackos dont want you see.

USS Skate (http://ihatealgore.com/?p=328) That can't be true...can it:confused: Photos like that would counter some views that I have heard, if I were actually open minded.:thinking:


Oh, but wait I am open minded.:D

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Reds fan
:nerd: No, no, no, that's a fake photo like the lunar landings! In 1958 they (Republicans) knew about global warming and that they would have to create evidence to try and debunk Al Gore! :D
How DARE you rebut his "facts" from Snopes with evidence to the contrary!:D

[Charlie47]

Has anyone been able to explain, why Mr Gore will not except questions from the media or scientists?:confused: ;)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by turbostud
LOL. Here's something else for Global Warming Wackos to choke on.

October Through March Was the Snowiest On Record In The Northern Hemisphere.
But of course:
The experts at East Anglia and CRU told us in 2000 that :

(March, 2000) According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.
Link (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/13/october-through-march-was-the-snowiest-on-record-in-the-northern-hemisphere/) Large snows would not occur with "global warming", that's why we have "climate change", if that theory continues to implode there will be another to replace it.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Large snows would not occur with "global warming", that's why we have "climate change", if that theory continues to implode there will be another to replace it.

I think it will be "climate variance"... the answer my friend is blowin' in the wind.

[turbostud]

Originally posted by Reds fan
I think it will be "climate variance"... the answer my friend is blowin' in the wind.

Nope, its called "The American Power Act." It was introduced by John Kerry and Joe Leiberman a couple of days ago. Looks like they want in the $$$$action. American Power Act (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1988975,00.html?xid=rss-topstories)

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Charlie47
Has anyone been able to explain, why Mr Gore will not except questions from the media or scientists?:confused: ;) I can...

If you just bought a 9 million dollar 2nd home that basically spits in the face of everything that you preached for years would you answer questions??

[Black_Magic]

You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!...

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
I can...

If you just bought a 9 million dollar 2nd home that basically spits in the face of everything that you preached for years would you answer questions??

Wonder if Al scared the seller by telling him his house would soon be submerged therefore getting a huge price reduction?:D

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!...

No, BM, ignoring this would be foolish, very expensive and dangerous! Laugh, Baby, Laugh!

[turbostud]

NASA (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/30/nasa-data-worse-than-climategate-data/?test=latestnews)

Hell even NASA admits their data is crap compared to East Anglia's. NASA's data is crap. GISS data is crap. And they suggest we use East Anglias's as the most accurate data. But there is no way to compare because EAU's data has been discarded.

In other words, the Global Warming Theory is one big turd doughnut.

[turbostud]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!...
No one is saying to not conserve, recycle, or protect the environement. But putting all of your eggs in one basket, when that basket has holes, big holes, is flat out stupid.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!... That is where you are wrong. I am not trying to disprove anything. I am waitng on someone to prove it to me. Until it can be proven it will remain a theory... Kind of similar to the one that fell "flat" in 1492.:thinking: or was it the Vikings:confused:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by turbostud
No one is saying to not conserve, recycle, or protect the environement. But putting all of your eggs in one basket, when that basket has holes, big holes, is flat out stupid. Exactly, I think it is just smart to conserve and take care of our planet. I am just tired of hearing the world is ending if we don't. I hate that people are profiting off of this fear and then throwing it in our faces by buying 9 million dollar homes.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!...
No. That's where you're wrong! If we buy into the "Global Warming" theory .....and I do emphasize theory.....it will cost the taxpayers (us) a whole lot of money ---- something that most of us would be glad to do IF they can actually PROVE it. The only thing that has been proven is that the data the "scientists" have used is faulty at best. I do believe that all of us should become less dependent on fossil fuels, and curb our usage of its byproducts where feasible, but to pass a "Cap and Trade" bill based on that skewed data is like saying, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", and is NOT something I'm going to buy into without actual PROOF. If you looked at this with an open mind you would understand that, and you'd be able to look around you and see that the information they are using is being shown to be untrue.:thinking: We should ALL look at so-called scientists' "data" with an open mind just to make sure we aren't being duped, and that there are not other reasons why they publish skewed data. The point is.....Al Gore and a whole lot of other people (including these scientists) stand to make a WHOLE LOT of money off of this due to the changes made because of it.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Exactly, I think it is just smart to conserve and take care of our planet. I am just tired of hearing the world is ending if we don't. I hate that people are profiting off of this fear and then throwing it in our faces by buying 9 million dollar homes.

Now, now, that kind of practical thinking will get you scoffed at.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys never cease to crack me up. Some of you are so desperate to disprove global warming that you constantly put up ANY instance where it is colder than normal or it snow somewhere is normaly does not. You do at the same time you turn a blind eye to global median temperature changes over the past few decades. who are you trying convince? Your self? why are you trying to convince anyone else if you know your right? if you really were convinced that its a bunch of bull you would ignore the "global warming folks"... Dont worry .. just keep up your belief that we dont effect our environment.. Drill Baby Drill!!...

Or perhaps we should ignore statements such as "My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize," - Rep. Hank Johnson in discussing more marines on the Island of Guam. It is folks like that who will be voting on "cap and trade", think he'll read the bill or just rubber stamp based on ideology????

Link: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/rep-hank-johnson-thinks-guam-could-capsize

And if this guy were a "scientist" and said that, would you be inclined to believe it because it meets your ideology?

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by waterboy
No. That's where you're wrong! If we buy into the "Global Warming" theory ... but to pass a "Cap and Trade" bill based on that skewed data is like saying, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" I did get hit in the head by a falling pine cone this morning so lets not be too quick to dismiss that "sky falling" theory. :thinking:


:D

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
I did get hit in the head by a falling pine cone this morning so lets not be too quick to dismiss that "sky falling" theory. :thinking:


:D

Ouch! LOL

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by waterboy
No. That's where you're wrong! If we buy into the "Global Warming" theory .....and I do emphasize theory.....it will cost the taxpayers (us) a whole lot of money ---- something that most of us would be glad to do IF they can actually PROVE it. The only thing that has been proven is that the data the "scientists" have used is faulty at best. I do believe that all of us should become less dependent on fossil fuels, and curb our usage of its byproducts where feasible, but to pass a "Cap and Trade" bill based on that skewed data is like saying, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", and is NOT something I'm going to buy into without actual PROOF. If you looked at this with an open mind you would understand that, and you'd be able to look around you and see that the information they are using is being shown to be untrue.:thinking: We should ALL look at so-called scientists' "data" with an open mind just to make sure we aren't being duped, and that there are not other reasons why they publish skewed data. The point is.....Al Gore and a whole lot of other people (including these scientists) stand to make a WHOLE LOT of money off of this due to the changes made because of it. Socialize the of risk of being wrong on the environment. But you cry foul at the Idea of Socializing ANYTHING else.... Bottom line is the onlything you care about is YOUR OWN bottom line.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Socialize the of risk of being wrong on the environment. But you cry foul at the Idea of Socializing ANYTHING else.... Bottom line is the onlything you care about is YOUR OWN bottom line.

Actually, it is looking out for EVERYONE'S bottom line without taking it forcefully from those who's bottom line is bigger than someone else and giving it to them.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Socialize the of risk of being wrong on the environment. But you cry foul at the Idea of Socializing ANYTHING else.... Bottom line is the onlything you care about is YOUR OWN bottom line.



:doh: All I can say is WOW!

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Actually, it is looking out for EVERYONE'S bottom line without taking it forcefully from those who's bottom line is bigger than someone else and giving it to them. like you realy care about anybodys bottom line but your own..:clap:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
like you realy care about anybodys bottom line but your own..:clap: Sounds like you are worried about his bottom line too...

Wealth redistribution = scary:eek: :eek:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Sounds like you are worried about his bottom line too...

Wealth redistribution = scary:eek: :eek: what? what are you talking about? your do you even know

[Black_Magic]

Nah.. Gobal warming is just a theory....:doh:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/2005cal_fig1.gif

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
like you realy care about anybodys bottom line but your own..:clap:

I really do care about everyone's bottom line, those that I employ, those that purchase the services my employee's and myself create.

Here's how it works BM, a buyer wants a good or service, the seller of that good or service produces that good or service at a price that the buyer will pay plus a margin of profit to pay his employees so they can in turn go out and purchase goods and services from other employers and so on and so on. Oh and the more these good folk make the more thay can pay to the government for your redistribution fondness.


What bothers me is that if your bottom line is not where you or the government thinks it should be, then take from the producers bottom line and redistribute to those who they deem need it. The decision of who will recieve this redistribution is based most likely on those they think will continue to vote them into office so they can keep reaping the benefits of others productivity.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
what? what are you talking about? your do you even know The more important question is when will you get what anyone else is talking about and quit looking at the world through some warped view. You are in fact the person I have ever heard say they are undertaxed and then when pressed on the statement... Poof.. you log off. Global warming is a theory put up all the graphs and pics you wish. The ocean is not rising, the Valley is not suffering from drought, and the Polar bears are just fine.


DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!:clap: :clap:



:D

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Reds fan
I really do care about everyone's bottom line, those that I employ, those that purchase the services my employee's and myself create.

Here's how it works BM, a buyer wants a good or service, the seller of that good or service produces that good or service at a price that the buyer will pay plus a margin of profit to pay his employees so they can in turn go out and purchase goods and services from other employers and so on and so on. Oh and the more these good folk make the more thay can pay to the government for your redistribution fondness.


What bothers me is that if your bottom line is not where you or the government thinks it should be, that take from the producers bottom line and redistributes it to those who they deem need it. The dcision of who will recieve this redistribution is based most likely on those they think will continue to vote them into office so they can keep reaping the benefits of others productivity. :hand: Not in Magics world... In his world you work for the government and provide your service to whomever needs it for little or no cost, take a small salary and are grateful to your government master for all that you receive.:doh:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
:hand: Not in Magics world... In his world you work for the government and provide your service to whomever needs it for little or no cost, take a small salary and are grateful to your government master for all that you receive.:doh:

:thinking:
That's sounds a lot like bondage
:thinking:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Reds fan
:thinking:
That's sounds a lot like slavery
:thinking: It is very similar, but thank God I live in the U.S. and I can go out and work hard and make as much as I want and for the time being I do not have to share with those that are less fortunate. Now being the good citizen I am I can donate to charities and such of my choosing but I am not forced to pay more in taxes to support Goverment entitlements such as healthcar.... Oh wait.:doh:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Nah.. Gobal warming is just a theory....:doh:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/2005cal_fig1.gif How much will 6 fireplaces add to that or the fuel used to cool 9 bathrooms? :confused:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Nah.. Gobal warming is just a theory....:doh:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/2005cal_fig1.gif

That looks like a hockey stick!:D

[LE Dad]

I love how posters keep trying to twist this thread. :clap: :clap:


I don't blame you, I couldn't defend Gore either.:thinking:

I do applaud Rockdale 80.:clap: :clap: He is the only one that posted in support of Gore that actually made any good points that were on topic. :cool:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by LE Dad
The more important question is when will you get what anyone else is talking about and quit looking at the world through some warped view. You are in fact the person I have ever heard say they are undertaxed and then when pressed on the statement... Poof.. you log off. Global warming is a theory put up all the graphs and pics you wish. The ocean is not rising, the Valley is not suffering from drought, and the Polar bears are just fine.


DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!:clap: :clap:



:D Theory?? looks like there is proof that the theory is right. You just dont want to believe it.. most people who are addicted to drugs dont believe they are or dont want to believe they are. Conservatives want to conserve thier money and position in life NOT the Environment. nothing else matters.
You heard me say Texans have it better than anybody in the inustrialized world when it comes to taxes. Its a fact. sorry you dont like it.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Socialize the of risk of being wrong on the environment. But you cry foul at the Idea of Socializing ANYTHING else.... Bottom line is the onlything you care about is YOUR OWN bottom line.
The only one crying foul is you. Everybody here is wrong, except you and a couple others who choose not to think independently. You can go ahead and give all the money you want to the government, and be a good little citizen.......and be like all the other sheeple who believe everything your gods in government and "science" tell you. I choose to think on my own, weigh the evidence presented, and draw my own conclusions. My bottom line has absolutely nothing to do with it. Like I said, if they can show conclusive and irrefutable proof that global warming is happening and is something caused by man, I'll be on their bandwagon and pay my fair share of the costs associated with any changes that need to be made. And about "socializing"........the way I see it, the less the government intervenes in our daily lives the better, I don't CARE who is running our government.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Reds fan
That looks like a hockey stick!:D I think it is funny, did they quit tracking after 2005? Maybe that data is "classified".

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by waterboy
The only one crying foul is you. Everybody here is wrong, except you and a couple others who choose not to think independently. You can go ahead and give all the money you want to the government, and be a good little citizen.......and be like all the other sheeple who believe everything your gods in government and "science" tell you. I choose to think on my own, weigh the evidence presented, and draw my own conclusions. My bottom line has absolutely nothing to do with it. Like I said, if they can show conclusive and irrefutable proof that global warming is happening and is something caused by man, I'll be on their bandwagon and pay my fair share of the costs associated with any changes that need to be made. And about "socializing"........the way I see it, the less the government intervenes in our daily lives the better, I don't CARE who is running our government. :clap: :clap:

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Theory?? looks like there is proof that the theory is right. You just dont want to believe it.. most people who are addicted to drugs dont believe they are or dont want to believe they are. Conservatives want to conserve thier money and position in life NOT the Environment. nothing else matters.
You heard me say Texans have it better than anybody in the inustrialized world when it comes to taxes. Its a fact. sorry you dont like it. It is a theory... just as the world being flat was a theory. If it was a fact and Gore really believed it do you honestly believe he would buy a 9 million dollar home by the ocean?

Seriously... do you?

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Reds fan
I really do care about everyone's bottom line, those that I employ, those that purchase the services my employee's and myself create.

Here's how it works BM, a buyer wants a good or service, the seller of that good or service produces that good or service at a price that the buyer will pay plus a margin of profit to pay his employees so they can in turn go out and purchase goods and services from other employers and so on and so on. Oh and the more these good folk make the more thay can pay to the government for your redistribution fondness.


What bothers me is that if your bottom line is not where you or the government thinks it should be, then take from the producers bottom line and redistribute to those who they deem need it. The decision of who will recieve this redistribution is based most likely on those they think will continue to vote them into office so they can keep reaping the benefits of others productivity. IN 1965 the Average CEO earned 25 times the average worker in the company... NOW the average CEO earns 300 times the average worker.... NOW, I know your not saying that the CEO's today work 11 times harder than they did 45 years ago.. HARD EARNED MONEY BABY!! Much harder thinking about the jobs than it is to DO the jobs..:rolleyes:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Theory?? looks like there is proof that the theory is right. You just dont want to believe it.. most people who are addicted to drugs dont believe they are or dont want to believe they are. Conservatives want to conserve thier money and position in life NOT the Environment. nothing else matters.
You heard me say Texans have it better than anybody in the inustrialized world when it comes to taxes. Its a fact. sorry you dont like it.

Theory?? Looks like there is proof the theory is wrong. You just don't want to believe it.. most people that are addicted to drugs don't believe they are addicts or don't want to believe they are. They just can't admit they are wrong.

How do Texans have it any better than anyone in the industrialized world? Better than any other state?

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by waterboy
The only one crying foul is you. Everybody here is wrong, except you and a couple others who choose not to think independently. You can go ahead and give all the money you want to the government, and be a good little citizen.......and be like all the other sheeple who believe everything your gods in government and "science" tell you. I choose to think on my own, weigh the evidence presented, and draw my own conclusions. My bottom line has absolutely nothing to do with it. Like I said, if they can show conclusive and irrefutable proof that global warming is happening and is something caused by man, I'll be on their bandwagon and pay my fair share of the costs associated with any changes that need to be made. And about "socializing"........the way I see it, the less the government intervenes in our daily lives the better, I don't CARE who is running our government. you choose to be a braindead red neck who is brainwashed by the NRA and FOX.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
IN 1965 the Average CEO earned 25 times the average worker in the company... NOW the average CEO earns 300 times the average worker.... NOW, I know your not saying that the CEO's today work 11 times harder than they did 45 years ago.. HARD EARNED MONEY BABY!! Much harder thinking about the jobs than it is to DO the jobs..:rolleyes: Sounds like I need to work harder to become CEO!:D

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
you choose to be a braindead red neck who is brainwashed by the NRA and FOX. Oops, someone ran out of arguments. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
IN 1965 the Average CEO earned 25 times the average worker in the company... NOW the average CEO earns 300 times the average worker.... NOW, I know your not saying that the CEO's today work 11 times harder than they did 45 years ago.. HARD EARNED MONEY BABY!! Much harder thinking about the jobs than it is to DO the jobs..:rolleyes:

Your emotional based disgust for folks earning a living will bring everyone down...

Get off your bum, create a company, put everything you have at risk to create that company, become CEO and then come talk to me about your compensation.:hand:

Now, get back on subject and objectively defend Al Gore, keep your emotions in check and do it.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
you choose to be a braindead red neck who is brainwashed by the NRA and FOX.
:rolleyes: My brain is fine, my mind is open, but I am a red neck.:D It looks to me like you're one of those pseudo-intelligent, progressive liberals that has drank the kool-aid a little too long, and will believe ANYTHING your gods in government tell you despite evidence to the contrary. :thinking: So who's really brainwashed? I'll give you a hint........it AIN'T ME!;)

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Oops, someone ran out of arguments. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LOL, emotion will only get you so far against rational thinking.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Sounds like I need to work harder to become CEO!:D Oh Im sure you mean that 100% . I realy do. I personaly think that it should go back to the range of 25 or so. The companies could then pay those employees who do the actual WORK what they should have been paying them over the last few years.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
like you realy care about anybodys bottom line but your own..:clap:

What's wrong with that?
It's called personal responsibility. I have to take care of my family, don't you?

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Originally posted by waterboy
:rolleyes: My brain is fine, my mind is open, but I am a red neck.:D It looks to me like you're one of those pseudo-intelligent, progressive liberals that has drank the kool-aid a little too long, and will believe ANYTHING your gods in government tell you despite evidence to the contrary. :thinking: So who's really brainwashed? I'll give you a hint........it AIN'T ME!;)


Hilarious.....:thumbsup:

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Oh Im sure you mean that 100% . I realy do. I personaly think that it should go back to the range of 25 or so. The companies could then pay those employees who do the actual WORK what they should have been paying them over the last few years.

What right do you have to demand what someone makes? This is America.
Leftism=penis envy :D

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by waterboy
:rolleyes: My brain is fine, my mind is open, but I am a red neck.:D It looks to me like you're one of those pseudo-intelligent, progressive liberals that has drank the kool-aid a little too long, and will believe ANYTHING your gods in government tell you despite evidence to the contrary. :thinking: So who's really brainwashed? I'll give you a hint........it AIN'T ME!;) I am a progressive . thats the only thing your right about. Not a liberal. moderate at most.. Like I have said before. To adolf Hitler, Rush Limbaugh would be a Liberal.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Oh Im sure you mean that 100% . I realy do. I personaly think that it should go back to the range of 25 or so. The companies could then pay those employees who do the actual WORK what they should have been paying them over the last few years. ...but Al couldn't buy his big 2nd or 3rd or, whatever the count is now, home. Don't limit what someone earns or they will limit what you earn.:thinking:

I mean I guess the ocean will rise and sweep it away someday, but he can enjoy it till then. Don't take away what gloabal warming has given.:cool:

[LE Dad]

BM your boy Al has got you backed into a corner that you can't get out of. He is taking advantage of good ole American capitalism, allbeit off the backs of all the koolaid chugging global warming crowd.

I hate it for you brother, post your graphs, make your points, do what you want. Bottom line is you were sold out... Gore IS the CEO that you so despise.:thinking:

[turbostud]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
you choose to be a braindead red neck who is brainwashed by the NRA and FOX.

LMAO, Classic:D

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by LE Dad
...but Al couldn't buy his big 2nd or 3rd or, whatever the count is now, home. Don't limit what someone earns or they will limit what you earn.:thinking:

I mean I guess the ocean will rise and sweep it away someday, but he can enjoy it till then. Don't take away what gloabal warming has given.:cool: As I remember good old AL advocated a large Tax increase on the weathly ( HIM SELF ).. what did Bush do? cut taxes mostly on the wealthy ( HIM SELF ) .. Look go ahead an put words in my mouth and say I have a problem with folks making money. Not true and I know it but that wont stop you guys from distroting the truth. You want to go to bat for the good old boys on wall street and the ceo's of this nation then thats fine by me. I personaly would rather go to bat for the guy who builds the buildings the CEO sits in.

[turbostud]

LOL, When Libs have no more arguments, they revert back to BOOOOOOOOOSH! FYI, He's been out of office for 1 1/2 years.

[SintonFan]

I found this on that sub link:


Don’t Believe the Hype. Al Gore is wrong. There’s no “consensus” on global warming.

Cover of "An Inconvenient Truth"
Cover of An Inconvenient Truth

BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.
Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

According to Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth,” we’re in for “a planetary emergency”: melting ice sheets, huge increases in sea levels, more and stronger hurricanes, and invasions of tropical disease, among other cataclysms–unless we change the way we live now.

Bill Clinton has become the latest evangelist for Mr. Gore’s gospel, proclaiming that current weather events show that he and Mr. Gore were right about global warming, and we are all suffering the consequences of President Bush’s obtuseness on the matter. And why not? Mr. Gore assures us that “the debate in the scientific community is over.”

That statement, which Mr. Gore made in an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC, ought to have been followed by an asterisk. What exactly is this debate that Mr. Gore is referring to? Is there really a scientific community that is debating all these issues and then somehow agreeing in unison? Far from such a thing being over, it has never been clear to me what this “debate” actually is.

The media rarely help, of course. When Newsweek featured global warming in a 1988 issue, it was claimed that all scientists agreed. Periodically thereafter it was revealed that although there had been lingering doubts beforehand, now all scientists did indeed agree. Even Mr. Gore qualified his statement on ABC only a few minutes after he made it, clarifying things in an important way. When Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted Mr. Gore with the fact that the best estimates of rising sea levels are far less dire than he suggests in his movie, Mr. Gore defended his claims by noting that scientists “don’t have any models that give them a high level of confidence” one way or the other and went on to claim–in his defense–that scientists “don’t know. . . . They just don’t know.”

So, presumably, those scientists do not belong to the “consensus.” Yet their research is forced, whether the evidence supports it or not, into Mr. Gore’s preferred global-warming template–namely, shrill alarmism. To believe it requires that one ignore the truly inconvenient facts. To take the issue of rising sea levels, these include: that the Arctic was as warm or warmer in 1940; that icebergs have been known since time immemorial; that the evidence so far suggests that the Greenland ice sheet is actually growing on average. A likely result of all this is increased pressure pushing ice off the coastal perimeter of that country, which is depicted so ominously in Mr. Gore’s movie. In the absence of factual context, these images are perhaps dire or alarming.

They are less so otherwise. Alpine glaciers have been retreating since the early 19th century, and were advancing for several centuries before that. Since about 1970, many of the glaciers have stopped retreating and some are now advancing again. And, frankly, we don’t know why.

The other elements of the global-warming scare scenario are predicated on similar oversights. Malaria, claimed as a byproduct of warming, was once common in Michigan and Siberia and remains common in Siberia–mosquitoes don’t require tropical warmth. Hurricanes, too, vary on multidecadal time scales; sea-surface temperature is likely to be an important factor. This temperature, itself, varies on multidecadal time scales. However, questions concerning the origin of the relevant sea-surface temperatures and the nature of trends in hurricane intensity are being hotly argued within the profession.

Even among those arguing, there is general agreement that we can’t attribute any particular hurricane to global warming. To be sure, there is one exception, Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., who argues that it must be global warming because he can’t think of anything else. While arguments like these, based on lassitude, are becoming rather common in climate assessments, such claims, given the primitive state of weather and climate science, are hardly compelling.

A general characteristic of Mr. Gore’s approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse. Regardless, these items are clearly not issues over which debate is ended–at least not in terms of the actual science.

A clearer claim as to what debate has ended is provided by the environmental journalist Gregg Easterbrook. He concludes that the scientific community now agrees that significant warming is occurring, and that there is clear evidence of human influences on the climate system. This is still a most peculiar claim. At some level, it has never been widely contested. Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early ’70s, increased again until the ’90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998.

There is also little disagreement that levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have risen from about 280 parts per million by volume in the 19th century to about 387 ppmv today. Finally, there has been no question whatever that carbon dioxide is an infrared absorber (i.e., a greenhouse gas–albeit a minor one), and its increase should theoretically contribute to warming. Indeed, if all else were kept equal, the increase in carbon dioxide should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed, assuming that the small observed increase was in fact due to increasing carbon dioxide rather than a natural fluctuation in the climate system. Although no cause for alarm rests on this issue, there has been an intense effort to claim that the theoretically expected contribution from additional carbon dioxide has actually been detected.

Given that we do not understand the natural internal variability of climate change, this task is currently impossible. Nevertheless there has been a persistent effort to suggest otherwise, and with surprising impact. Thus, although the conflicted state of the affair was accurately presented in the 1996 text of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the infamous “summary for policy makers” reported ambiguously that “The balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate.” This sufficed as the smoking gun for Kyoto.

The next IPCC report again described the problems surrounding what has become known as the attribution issue: that is, to explain what mechanisms are responsible for observed changes in climate. Some deployed the lassitude argument–e.g., we can’t think of an alternative–to support human attribution. But the “summary for policy makers” claimed in a manner largely unrelated to the actual text of the report that “In the light of new evidence and taking into account the remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations.”

In a similar vein, the National Academy of Sciences issued a brief (15-page) report responding to questions from the White House. It again enumerated the difficulties with attribution, but again the report was preceded by a front end that ambiguously claimed that “The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability.” This was sufficient for CNN’s Michelle Mitchell to presciently declare that the report represented a “unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse and is due to man. There is no wiggle room.” Well, no.

More recently, a study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words “global climate change” produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.

Even more recently, the Climate Change Science Program, the Bush administration’s coordinating agency for global-warming research, declared it had found “clear evidence of human influences on the climate system.” This, for Mr. Easterbrook, meant: “Case closed.” What exactly was this evidence? The models imply that greenhouse warming should impact atmospheric temperatures more than surface temperatures, and yet satellite data showed no warming in the atmosphere since 1979. The report showed that selective corrections to the atmospheric data could lead to some warming, thus reducing the conflict between observations and models descriptions of what greenhouse warming should look like. That, to me, means the case is still very much open.

So what, then, is one to make of this alleged debate? I would suggest at least three points.

First, nonscientists generally do not want to bother with understanding the science. Claims of consensus relieve policy types, environmental advocates and politicians of any need to do so. Such claims also serve to intimidate the public and even scientists–especially those outside the area of climate dynamics. Secondly, given that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam. That is an inauspicious beginning to what Mr. Gore claims is not a political issue but a “moral” crusade.

Lastly, there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. An earlier attempt at this was accompanied by tragedy. Perhaps Marx was right. This time around we may have farce–if we’re lucky.

Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.
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Link (http://ihatealgore.com/?p=124)

Good read from a MIT professor.

[turbostud]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Where is it just the leftist side saying we're the only cause of global warming?

There is undoubted evidence to support that the actions that we're taking are causing holes in the ozone layer and releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, all of which have been scientifically proven to be detrimental to the environment. Even if what we're doing is a small player when compared to a natural heating and cooling cycle of our planet, we're still not helping our cause. That isn't BS, it's just more Republican propaganda so that there will be fewer environmental restrictions on big businesses so they can get more money and so politicians can get more money.

This is priceless. Mr. Ozone Layer do you care to explain this one.


Whatever happened to the hole in the Ozone Layer? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100506/sc_livescience/whateverhappenedtotheholeintheozonelayer)
"Interestingly, recent studies have shown that the size of the ozone hole affects the global temperature. Closing the ozone hole actually speeds up the melting of the polar ice caps, according to a 2009 study from Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research."


Break out the old school hair spray! We got a hole to create!! LMAO.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
As I remember good old AL advocated a large Tax increase on the weathly ( HIM SELF ).. what did Bush do? cut taxes mostly on the wealthy ( HIM SELF ) .. Look go ahead an put words in my mouth and say I have a problem with folks making money. Not true and I know it but that wont stop you guys from distroting the truth. You want to go to bat for the good old boys on wall street and the ceo's of this nation then thats fine by me. I personaly would rather go to bat for the guy who builds the buildings the CEO sits in. Bush gave me a tax break and now it is almost gone, but that is a story for another day...

This is an Al thread, and he does seem to advocate quite a bit. It seems that he has advocated himself into being Troy Aikmans neighbor.lol

[turbostud]

I'm starting my own theory, and I am calling it the Al Gore Theory. It will be proportionate to the amount of money Al Gore makes.
Recent discoveries in polar ice cores suggest that when Al Gore makes money, the ozone hole decreases slightly causing more global warming. Other samples show that when the UN institutes a global tax, the ozone hole will shrink and global warming will end.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Theory?? looks like there is proof that the theory is right. You just dont want to believe it.. most people who are addicted to drugs dont believe they are or dont want to believe they are. Conservatives want to conserve thier money and position in life NOT the Environment. nothing else matters.
You heard me say Texans have it better than anybody in the inustrialized world when it comes to taxes. Its a fact. sorry you dont like it.

And what is wrong with having it better than anybody else?

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by turbostud
I'm starting my own theory, and I am calling it the Al Gore Theory. It will be proportionate to the amount of money Al Gore makes.
Recent discoveries in polar ice cores suggest that when Al Gore makes money, the ozone hole decreases slightly causing more global warming. Other samples show that when the UN institutes a global tax, the ozone hole will shrink and global warming will end. I need a theory that will get me a Mansion on the ocean, I promise to use part of it as an office.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by turbostud
LMAO, Classic:D
Kinda ironic, isn't it?:D

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by MUSTANG69
And what is wrong with having it better than anybody else? Lol, don't ask... He also feels he isn't taxed enough.:doh:

[turbostud]

Originally posted by LE Dad
I need a theory that will get me a Mansion on the ocean, I promise to use part of it as an office.

Its as easy as changing numbers on a hockey stick graph, all you have to do is change the words. See below.


LE Dad's Theory, It will be proportionate to the number of mansions Al Gore owns. Recent discoveries in polar ice cores suggest that when Al Gore makes builds a mansion, the ozone hole decreases slightly causing more global warming. Other samples show that when the UN institutes a Housing Program, the ozone hole will shrink AND global warming will end.

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by LE Dad
Lol, don't ask... He also feels he isn't taxed enough.:doh:

Oop! I forgot.:doh: