Track issue...should I feel this bad??

[kaorder1999]

I feel like a piece of (you know what) for having to do this cause in the long run all it does is punish the kid and not the coach who made the mistake.

At our District Meet, we placed 1, 2, 4 in the Mile Run. The 4th place kid is a freshman. Well...as I watched the mile, something looked strange to me. The kid who was running third, just in front of our kid, was a young man who also placed in the top 3 in the 2 mile run the day before AND placed 2nd in the 800 meter run. So, he ran in all three races, the 3200, 800 AND 1600 which is not allowed.

Especially since this affected my freshman 4th place finisher, I immediatly made the official protest within the allotted 30 mins. After the meet referee investigated the issue, they ruled to DQ the young man from all three events, all of which he finished in the Top 3.

Now, as we were going home I felt like crap because of this. #1, i know this is a coaches mistake and I HATE that the kid is being punished for it. I would MUCH RATHER just have seen him DQ'd for the last event and still be eligible to go to Regionals in the other two races. At the same time, I keep telling myself that this would have been noticed, especially when the entries were being ready to be sent in by our District AD over track. Its not like this was a protest of a kid pushing our kid off the track or anything like that. This was something with hard evidence that would have shown up once results were typed up.

Should I feel this bad?? I HATE it for the kid but at the same time, I HAD to do what was right for my kid. We are VERY STRONG in the Distance races and if were to enter our kids in all three races, we would more then likely be able to win the team title.

[Ranger Mom]

You shouldn't feel guilty, you did what you had to do......but, the fact that you do feel bad, just makes me like you all the more!!!

:)

[BEAST]

No, you did the right thing. As a coach, that is part of your job.




BEAST

[Bullaholic]

Here's my $.02, ka.....

It is your responsibility as a coach to protect the interests of your school and kids. By filing the protest, you did your job. Remember, you don't make the rules---you just play by them. I think the event officials should be the ones to feel badly about this, unless they had no latitude according to the rules. It is good that you are a good, caring coach for all our kids---regardless of which team they represent.

[jason]

ya - don't feel bad - blame the coach who let him run in all 3 races...

i thought (this is how it was when we were still in high school) that you could compete in 5 events - 3 running and 2 field or 2 running and 3 field....

not so anymore?

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by jason
ya - don't feel bad - blame the coach who let him run in all 3 races...

i thought (this is how it was when we were still in high school) that you could compete in 5 events - 3 running and 2 field or 2 running and 3 field....

not so anymore?

The mile was this kid's 4th running event, jason....


nm---looks like it was only his 3rd....

[rholl]

dont assume it was a coaches "mistake"..assume coach was trying to bend the rules in his favor! Feel better now????????

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by jason
ya - don't feel bad - blame the coach who let him run in all 3 races...

i thought (this is how it was when we were still in high school) that you could compete in 5 events - 3 running and 2 field or 2 running and 3 field....

not so anymore?



you can't participate in those three running events...two yes but not three.......the 3200, 1600 and 800.

[Heffelfinger]

That is a lame rule, BTW. Anyone know why that rule is in the books?

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by NastySlot
you can't participate in those three running events...two yes but not three.......the 3200, 1600 and 800.

So you CAN participate in 3 running events....just not THOSE 3!!!

Why is that??

[gordo]

I think you are a Weasel! If your kid can't beat the other kid head up he should not go to regionals!!!!

[gordo]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
So you CAN participate in 3 running events....just not THOSE 3!!!

Why is that??

You can run only 2 multi lap races.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
I think the event officials should be the ones to feel badly about this, unless they had no latitude according to the rules.

I'm pretty sure that the event officials also feel badly about the result but how do you decide which race to boot him from? There is no fair way to do it other than kick him out of all 3 because the injustice that was done that raised the protest would effect kids in the other 2 races as well. They did the right thing by removing him from all 3, no matter how hard that decision was in the end it was the right one. I think that the kid's coach is the one that feels the worst because that is a simple little over sight that cost that kid dearly and we coaches dang sure don't do what we do for the money. He let that kid down and that's the one thing as a coach that is the hardest to thing in coachg to cope with in my opinion is letting a kid down because of a mistake.

[SintonFan]

ka, the kid might have very well been DQed at the end of the tournament. You did the right thing.

[cr180t]

Originally posted by gordo
You can run only 2 multi lap races.

Unless 1 is a relay then you can run 3

[BullsFan]

You did the right thing, but you felt badly about the consequences to the young man in question. In my mind that means you have both heart and integrity, which is not at all a bad combination.

[gordo]

Wow we have a bunch of pantywaists on here.

[gordo]

Originally posted by cr180t
Unless 1 is a relay then you can run 3

No UIL milty lap relays

[BaseballUmp]

a few d-bags as well:D

[Emerson1]

I wouldn't feel bad for the kid

I'd feel bad for your kids who couldn't beat a kid who had already ran 2 miles that day :D crappy coaching if you ask me ;)

[NateDawg39]

Originally posted by gordo
Wow we have a bunch of pantywaists on here. You my friend smell of elderberries :D

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by gordo
Wow we have a bunch of pantywaists on here.

Hey Fatso, :taunt: that's what I think of you.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by GreenMonster
I'm pretty sure that the event officials also feel badly about the result but how do you decide which race to boot him from? There is no fair way to do it other than kick him out of all 3 because the injustice that was done that raised the protest would effect kids in the other 2 races as well. They did the right thing by removing him from all 3, no matter how hard that decision was in the end it was the right one. I think that the kid's coach is the one that feels the worst because that is a simple little over sight that cost that kid dearly and we coaches dang sure don't do what we do for the money. He let that kid down and that's the one thing as a coach that is the hardest to thing in coachg to cope with in my opinion is letting a kid down because of a mistake.

Still can't see that, GM, if the officials had any latitude from which races to DQ this kid. The kid legally ran in the previous races---the last one is the only one that violated the rules. I feel for everyone involved.

[gordo]

Originally posted by Emerson1
I wouldn't feel bad for the kid

I'd feel bad for your kids who couldn't beat a kid who had already ran 2 miles that day :D crappy coaching if you ask me ;)

Yeah thats what I'm talking bout

[cr180t]

Originally posted by gordo
No UIL milty lap relays

Can run 3 milty laps as long as one is a realy. You can run the 800, 400 then run on the mile relay. 3200, 1600 then mile relay. You can not run the 400, 800, 1600

[MUSTANG69]

Originally posted by gordo
Wow we have a bunch of pantywaists on here.

And you are the panties!:D

[turbostud]

It sucks for that kid if he was senior. But its his coaches fault.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Still can't see that, GM, if the officials had any latitude from which races to DQ this kid. The kid legally ran in the previous races---the last one is the only one that violated the rules. I feel for everyone involved. Agreed, but it is a rule that he must be DQ'd from all. Coach made a huge mistake and it's by no means an obscure rule.

[maroogreen]

Your job is to protect fair play and athleticism in the best interests of the kids you coach and according to the rules. The other kid's coach has the same responsibility to his athletes. You upheld your responsibility. He didn't.

[playnhurt]

You did the right thing.

[Gobbler Fan]

I feel bad for the kid who got Dq'd . All the time and practice he put into being one of the best athletes in his district and actually earning the right to show what work and effort can get you goes out the window . I doubt HE knew anything about such rule . I am an avid track fan and did not know this rule ... once again I feel bad for the kid .:(


Sometimes Coaches that Coach track are put in that position not knowing much about Track and not wanting to be there in the first place and this may be the case. It was the Coaches fault but the one who suffers in this case is the young man who got the DQ.

[kaorder1999]

You can only run in 2 of the 3 multi-lap individual races (800, 1600, 3200).

the 400 is not considered a multi-lap race


Also...you can be entered in 5 events TOTAL.

You can be entered in up to 5 field events.

You can only be entered in 3 or less running events.

[kaorder1999]

something I didnt add....because it was a coaches screw up, our kids, who were awarded the medals for the races in which the kid was DQ'd from, gave their medals to the kid. So, the kid did get his three medals because we have good kids. It was THEIR idea, not ours, the coaches.

[maroogreen]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
something I didnt add....because it was a coaches screw up, our kids, who were awarded the medals for the races in which the kid was DQ'd from, gave their medals to the kid. So, the kid did get his three medals because we have good kids. It was THEIR idea, not ours, the coaches.

And THAT is the best part of the story. Your athletes acted with integrity and recognized the other kid's abilities, even if unofficially. Be proud of yourself for supporting your athletes and be proud of your athletes for embodying all that is right about sports.

I'm sorry for the other kid's trials, but this allowed multiple people an opportunity to do what was right. And the other coach learned something he'll never forget.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
something I didnt add....because it was a coaches screw up, our kids, who were awarded the medals for the races in which the kid was DQ'd from, gave their medals to the kid. So, the kid did get his three medals because we have good kids. It was THEIR idea, not ours, the coaches.



there is proof you did the right thing.......we as coaches have more of a responsiblity to coach and teach our players good sportsmanship and how to be quality people in life. I am sure that somewhere along the line your athletes have seen that you are a quality person and because of that they took it upon themselves to show good sportsmanship and compassion for an opponent and fellow competitor

you did the right thing.........and I don't know you but I would be pleased to have my own children play for a good person like you....and would be honored to coach with a man like you.

the protest was a hard thing to do .........but remember it was the right thing.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by gordo
Wow we have a bunch of pantywaists on here.

"Shut up, fatty". :D













;)

[SWMustang]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
You can only run in 2 of the 3 multi-lap individual races (800, 1600, 3200).

the 400 is not considered a multi-lap race


Also...you can be entered in 5 events TOTAL.

You can be entered in up to 5 field events.

You can only be entered in 3 or less running events.

If you realized one of your kids had done the same thing would you have spoke up?

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by SWMustang
If you realized one of your kids had done the same thing would you have spoke up?

yes I would have. BUT....i spend a lot of time when I enter my kids for our District Meet and I sure as heck make sure I know the rules of entering kids in events and if I have a question about a rule I ask BEFORE I do something.

[SWMustang]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
yes I would have. BUT....i spend a lot of time when I enter my kids for our District Meet and I sure as heck make sure I know the rules of entering kids in events and if I have a question about a rule I ask BEFORE I do something.

If you would do the right thing even when it hurts your team, then you shouldn't feel bad about doing it in this situation. I only have issues when people pick and choose if and when to do the right thing.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by SWMustang
If you would do the right thing even when it hurts your team, then you shouldn't feel bad about doing it in this situation. I only have issues when people pick and choose if and when to do the right thing.

yeah...i see what you are getting at.

Definitely a tough situation....ive seen people run people in relays that had already run in other events BUT it didnt affect MY kids by the results so I wouldnt say anything and let the coaches protest whose kids WERE affected. In this case, it directly affected my kid in the last race.

[cr180t]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
You can only run in 2 of the 3 multi-lap individual races (800, 1600, 3200).

the 400 is not considered a multi-lap race


Also...you can be entered in 5 events TOTAL.

You can be entered in up to 5 field events.

You can only be entered in 3 or less running events.

Rule reads - No contestant shall be allowed to enter more than two of the following events: 400 meter dash, 800 meter run, 1600 meter run, 3200 meter run. This does not prevent a 400, 800, 1600 or 3200 meter contestant from running on the relays provided he/she is entered in no more than 3 total running events.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by cr180t
Rule reads - No contestant shall be allowed to enter more than two of the following events: 400 meter dash, 800 meter run, 1600 meter run, 3200 meter run. This does not prevent a 400, 800, 1600 or 3200 meter contestant from running on the relays provided he/she is entered in no more than 3 total running events.

that is correct....

our track meet issue involved the 800, 1600 and 3200.

I think gordo's point is there is NO relays in which the individual runs more than one lap.....

[cr180t]

My point is that it does involve the 400 and the rule that you are stating can also conflict with a 400 meter runner that runs the mile. He can not run the 800 but can run in the 1600 meter realy. Seems like the 1600 to the 400 with no break is harder then the 800, 400 and 1600. Just track talk.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by cr180t
My point is that it does involve the 400 and the rule that you are stating can also conflict with a 400 meter runner that runs the mile. He can not run the 800 but can run in the 1600 meter realy. Seems like the 1600 to the 400 with no break is harder then the 800, 400 and 1600. Just track talk.

i agree. I wasnt even thinking about the 400 earlier though when talking about the multilap races. The simple fact is, this isnt a rule that just came into existance....and for that coach to enter him in all three of those events is just nuts! Im not saying he did it on purpose to cheat for more points and the possibility that he did not know the rule exists which is sad

[cr180t]

Agree- I was just stating another observation which had nothing to do with yours just something I had a problem with. If you have a really gifted 800/1600 kid.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by cr180t
Agree- I was just stating another observation which had nothing to do with yours just something I had a problem with. If you have a really gifted 800/1600 kid.

i know what you are saying! We are a school that is VERY good in the distrance races and it puts our kids at a disadvantage. Have a kid that is a 9:40 two miler, 4:28 miler and 2:04 800 meter runner. I wish he could run all three. He could also be a 50-second 400 kid.

[turbostud]

When I ran track I ran the 3200m, 1600m, and 1600m relay. You just have to figure out what are going to be the 2 strongest events. I have a niece who is an 8th grader and is a cheerleader, plays volleyball, basketball, softball, and track. I keep telling her she needs to trim down how many sports she participates in high school so she can try to get a scholarship.

[cr180t]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
i know what you are saying! We are a school that is VERY good in the distrance races and it puts our kids at a disadvantage. Have a kid that is a 9:40 two miler, 4:28 miler and 2:04 800 meter runner. I wish he could run all three. He could also be a 50-second 400 kid.

Exactly - and it would be easier on him spread out longer. The 800, 400 then 1600 is not legal bu the 3200, 1600 and 1600 relay is. Going from the 1600 meters to 1600 relay is just almost impossible.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by cr180t
Exactly - and it would be easier on him spread out longer. The 800, 400 then 1600 is not legal bu the 3200, 1600 and 1600 relay is. Going from the 1600 meters to 1600 relay is just almost impossible.

when i was at Sulphur Springs we had a kid break the school record in the mile with like a 4:19 then turn around and run a 51 split in the 4x400...wow

[slingshot]

You did the right thing... but it's a stupid rule BTW.

[Green Bling]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
You can only run in 2 of the 3 multi-lap individual races (800, 1600, 3200).

the 400 is not considered a multi-lap race


Also...you can be entered in 5 events TOTAL.

You can be entered in up to 5 field events.

You can only be entered in 3 or less running events.
You're right about this KA. That's Track 101. You absolutely did the right thing, but sometimes the right thing is tough. Don't know how his coach let that one get by him.

[eagleqb_14]

you did what was right. good luck to you

[Rabid Cougar]

OR you could have not said anything. The UIL would have caught it when the offending coach registered his participants and your Freshman would have gone.... if they notified you soon enough to register your kid. The Regional UIL officials would not have let the kid participate regardless. He was going to be crushed because of his coach's mistake anyway.