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jason
02-22-2010, 02:20 PM
Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:38 pm EST
The REAL medal count: U.S. has fewer golds than Germany, Norway

By Chris Chase

What's the key to the United States putting on its best performance in Winter Olympic history? According to the Winter Games debut of Fourth-Place Medal's "real" medal count, it has a lot to do with judged sports.

When throwing out the results of all events tainted by the influence of judges, the U.S. loses its commanding lead in the only medal tally that means anything: golds. Both Germany and Norway have more victories in Vancouver than the United States, despite the American lead in the standard medal tally. This stands in stark contrast to the Beijing Games, when the United States moved ahead of China in the gold derby after counting sports that can only be decided on the field of play.

That's the way we like it: medals determined solely by the athletes and not by faceless men and women in garish blazers. In a perfect world, judges would be impartial and fair and every event would be decided by the same set of criteria, but they're not. Judges are humans who are influenced by outside factors like reputations, nationalities and fan support. This often manifests itself in judging, which makes the results of these sports controversial. Nobody asked whether Lindsey Vonn deserved to win the downhill gold, she just did. Evan Lysacek's victory in men's figure skating was questioned within seconds.

In our tally of the Winter Olympics we've thrown out the results of all events in which judging plays a role in determining the outcome. Nine of the 44 events completed so far fall into this category: figure skating (men's and pairs), halfpipe (men's and women's), moguls (men's and women's), ski jumping (men's and women's) and Nordic combined (men's). The new-look medal count is as follows (totals as of Sunday morning):

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Based on our revised count, the United States loses a whopping nine medals, almost 40 percent of its total haul of 23 thus far in Vancouver. That's as many medals in judged events as the next nine countries on the list combined.

Germany only has one medal in judged sports, cleaning up in sports like skiing, luge, and biathlon instead. Norway, which currently leads in the "real" gold medal count, loses no awards, not surprising since the European countries tend to be stronger in traditional sports rather than the extreme sports in which American Winter Olympians thrive. Korea has moved up the list thanks to its dominance in short track speed skating.


LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/The-REAL-medal-count-U-S-has-fewer-golds-than-?urn=oly,220910)

3afan
02-22-2010, 02:44 PM
its just like any stat, it can be analyzed to make whatever message the analyzer wants to convey

3afan
02-22-2010, 02:45 PM
how 'bout 3 pts for gold, 2 for silver and 1 for bronze:

usa - 25 pts
ger - 25
nor - 24
sok - 21

sahen
02-22-2010, 02:48 PM
i typically disslike the sports where there is juding involved, but i like to win too...so as far as im concerned for this year lets count them all....haha


this is like in baseball when some guy comes up to bat and teh announcer is like here comes so and so that is hitting .120 this year, but this is the guy we want up cause he is hitting .400 w/ a runner on second, a left handed pitcher, who also happens to have his last name start with F.....like said before you can play w/ numbers in just about any sport or sporting event to make them say what you want...

SWMustang
02-22-2010, 02:56 PM
It reads like someone was trying hard to rain on the US parade. Where's one of those pics Gary posted of crying babies when you need one? We're in first - the rest of the world can deal with it.

Daddy D 11
02-22-2010, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by SWMustang
We're in first - the rest of the world can deal with it.

No... they can suck on it!


LOL

Phil C
02-22-2010, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by 3afan
how 'bout 3 pts for gold, 2 for silver and 1 for bronze:

usa - 25 pts
ger - 25
nor - 24
sok - 21

The only thing is that many events are determined by fractions of a second and having gold being 3 times more than bronze or silver being twice bronze is too much. Better would it be to use track type results with 10 points for gold, 8 points for silver and 6 points for bronze.

Green Bling
02-22-2010, 03:14 PM
Their whole counties are basically covered in snow. Most little kids ski by the time they can walk. AND they aren't distracted by real sports like football and baseball.:D

waterboy
02-22-2010, 03:16 PM
http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/49393e4c26ebd8d0

:bigcry:

Those other countries can cry about it all they want. They're just jealous......:weeping:

95mustang
02-22-2010, 03:18 PM
That article is from last week. I believe the numbers have changed quite a bit since then. the USA has had several gold medals since that article was written.

USA: 7 Gold
Germany: 6 Gold
Norway: 5 Gold.

Rabid Cougar
02-22-2010, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Green Bling
Their whole counties are basically covered in snow. Most little kids ski by the time they can walk. AND they aren't distracted by real sports like football and baseball.:D

But there are judges in football and baseball too!

turbostud
02-22-2010, 03:30 PM
It all comes down to wins the most. Just like in High School football. A team may lose a game or two in the preseason or district but if they win the state title thats what they will be remembered for.

lakers
02-22-2010, 03:57 PM
I think that might be the stupidest article that I have even read. Tell Shaun White he doesn't deserve a medal, after he pulled of a Double McTwist 1260, the most difficult trick that a snowboarder has attempted in the halfpipe, based on the assumption that all judges worldwide are partial to the US. Or to Simon Ammann of Switzerland who competes in Ski Jumping. Ammann jumped over 94m compared to the silver-medalist who jumped 83m. In fact if you look at the judges scores, ammann scored 5 points lower than anybody in the top 10. Yet based on his shear distance (where the judges have no influence) Ammann won the gold.

BullsFan
02-22-2010, 04:05 PM
I sometimes think the US has it hardest in contests with judging. I've been watching figure skating a lot of years, and I've seen judges from certain countries sometimes score US athletes much lower than anyone else does.