Realignment

[Torb]

Hasn't been much UIL realignment talk on here. Any projections on AAA numbers? I have a very biased point of view but, I feel like it will be 445 to 1000.....any thoughts?

[bobcat4life]

there has been quite a bit. and it will be a little more spread out in my opinion

[Torb]

What is your top and bottom end?

[bobcat4life]

I see it as 435-1020 or so. I think the U.I.L. will try to get rid of the bye districts, which would mean more 3A schools and a bigger gap

[Torb]

Would like to see that bottom number at 445.....;)

[bobcat4life]

Im assuming your from Lamesa because they turned in 444 I believe.

[Matthew328]

been plenty of realignment talk. I got it 433-1042

[Torb]

Yep, 445 might be good for us....been tough playing schools with 700+ enrollment. Would still be tough, AA football around here is very good, but playing about the same # of kids on both sides of the can't do anything but help.

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by Matthew328
been plenty of realignment talk. I got it 433-1042 is projection published yet?

[Torb]

Feb 1st, it's all specualtion at this point.

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by Torb
Feb 1st, it's all specualtion at this point. umm i know when it is it's pretty important to my job im talking about his projection

[Torb]

Pretty important to mine too....:)

[cr180t]

Improtant to me as well:)

[bobcat4life]

its important to alot of people on here....

[Matthew328]

3A projection will be out next week on TOC

[Yoe_09]

443-1035... I really cant see them lowering the bottom number

[Torb]

443 would not make me very happy!:D

[Matthew328]

Just my opinion but my guess is UIL will lower the # to fill the 3A districts....this will cause a 2.37-1 ratio (little larger than normal) and possibly force 3A supt's hand to go to Div 1/Div 2 format

[SHSBulldog00]

I was thinking the same as Matt. The byes just don't work. The Supts. will have 3A go two Divisions in 2012.

[duckpluck]

TOC already has posted projections.

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by duckpluck
TOC already has posted projections.
Those are Matt's.

[Twirling Time]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
I was thinking the same as Matt. The byes just don't work. The Supts. will have 3A go two Divisions in 2012.

That's the safety valve the UIL wants in order to keep from having a 6A. They can pull a bunch of teams down from 4A to fill up 3A D-I. In turn they can pull some smaller 5A's down to 4A.

On the other hand if 2A has a bunch of seven- and eight-team districts and only two playoff berths per district next year, the 3A sups may say forget that noise.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Just my opinion but my guess is UIL will lower the # to fill the 3A districts....this will cause a 2.37-1 ratio (little larger than normal) and possibly force 3A supt's hand to go to Div 1/Div 2 format

Yeah Matt, that is what I think as well. UIL does not want 6 a. I think they are trying to get the 3a to follow 1 and 2 a to make it easier to handle 4 and 5 a. You know. Stick it to the smaller schools cause the bigger ones generate more money.

[VWG]

I think 3A gets screwed. They will increase the gap from the larger schools to smaller schools.
Those with the larger enrollments will continue to succeed based on numbers. Those with smaller enrollments will continue to fight the best they can with what they have.

In my opinion, if they go with a larger spread on the numbers, then open up the playoffs to 4 teams like they do in 5A and 4A.
At least the little guys will have a shot to make post season.

And... before someone points it out, I am not saying every school that has an enrollment under 600 doesn't have a shot at the playoffs. We've seen schools of 600 or below make good runs and be very competitive. When you break down the numbers, the schools with the larger enrollments always come out on top percentage wise.

[Matthew328]

I think these 2 years will be rough on the little guys then in 2012 we see D1/D2...much better enrollment splits but travel will increase

[VWG]

Originally posted by Matthew328
I think these 2 years will be rough on the little guys then in 2012 we see D1/D2...much better enrollment splits but travel will increase

And to me there lies the injustice. Why take a staff, student athlete, program, etc... and make them go through something the UIL can fix now.
It's ridiculous.
I am more in favor of getting teams into the playoffs than making a D1/D2 district. Mainly because you're gonna see some districts that will be tougher than nails, and that 3rd place team gets left out when they could have probably made some noise in the playoffs.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Torb
Yep, 445 might be good for us....been tough playing schools with 700+ enrollment. Would still be tough, AA football around here is very good, but playing about the same # of kids on both sides of the can't do anything but help.

Wow! I guess Greenwood is no longer the smallest school in the district! I think we are back up over 500.

Didn't Lamesa used to be 4A?

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by VWG
And to me there lies the injustice. Why take a staff, student athlete, program, etc... and make them go through something the UIL can fix now.
It's ridiculous.
I am more in favor of getting teams into the playoffs than making a D1/D2 district. Mainly because you're gonna see some districts that will be tougher than nails, and that 3rd place team gets left out when they could have probably made some noise in the playoffs.
As an example, 2A District 10 had PP, Aubrey and Callisburg make the playoffs. Callisburg was 3rd place and they played in the quarterfinals. Next year, they would not make the playoffs.

[Matthew328]

Originally posted by VWG
And to me there lies the injustice. Why take a staff, student athlete, program, etc... and make them go through something the UIL can fix now.
It's ridiculous.
I am more in favor of getting teams into the playoffs than making a D1/D2 district. Mainly because you're gonna see some districts that will be tougher than nails, and that 3rd place team gets left out when they could have probably made some noise in the playoffs.

VWG how do you fix it?? Do you have bye districts like now, which isn't exactly fair....Five and four team districts in 3A like four years ago???
Or have a bigger enrollment gap to ensure there's 32 districts w/at least six teams like I have projected...not much you can do...

There is no fixing Class 3A in its current form...Div 1/Div 2 IMO at least in 3A is the ONLY option to ensure full districts and reasonable enrollment disparities. I believe it will happen in 2012.

[VWG]

Originally posted by Matthew328
VWG how do you fix it?? Do you have bye districts like now, which isn't exactly fair....Five and four team districts in 3A like four years ago???
Or have a bigger enrollment gap to ensure there's 32 districts w/at least six teams like I have projected...not much you can do...

There is no fixing Class 3A in its current form...Div 1/Div 2 IMO at least in 3A is the ONLY option to ensure full districts and reasonable enrollment disparities. I believe it will happen in 2012.

Go D1/D2 districts, but don't just have 1st and 2nd place playoff spots. If you're gonna have 6-7 teams in one district don't leave out the chance for that 3rd team to make the playoffs.

[cotulla]

going to have to convince the 3A supt's that we need the split divisions... Last year they overwhemingly voted it down.

if the 2A alignment goes well, maybe that will help convince the supts.

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Originally posted by bigwood33
As an example, 2A District 10 had PP, Aubrey and Callisburg make the playoffs. Callisburg was 3rd place and they played in the quarterfinals. Next year, they would not make the playoffs.

Callisburg beat Mc Gregor in the Quarterfinals and then played Bushland very tight 42-34 in the 2A Division II State Semi Finals. A interception return for a touchdown prevented Callisburg from banging it in on a last minute drive to take the lead..it was 35-34 Bushland with Callisburg driving at the time of the pick 6.

[bigwood33]

You are correct...I forgot that was the semis. I did remember if was Bushland though. My point is that a really good 3rd place team made a deep playoff run and next year 3 rd place teams will stay home in 1 & 2A.

[VWG]

IMO, don't screw the student-athlete.
The supt's and UIL have the ability to get things done, but they don't. Plain and simple.

[Matthew328]

Sups voted it down, in the current format we got issues....just the lesser of two evils