384 State Champions Compared 1920-2009

[WOS87]

State Champs Compared

Here are the 384 teams that have had some claim to an 11-man football title in all classifications from 1920-2009, including teams that eventually had to forfeit titles as well as Fort Worth Masonic Home who tied Corsicana in the state title game in 1932 but wasn't officially a co-champ due to losing on penetrations.

The first set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Highest Average Points Scored per game (Off)
The middle set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Fewest Average Points Allowed per game (Def)
The last set of columns is State Championship teams ranked by Highest Average Margin of Victory per game (MOV)

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[WOS87]

The 2009 Gilmer team is ranked #5 in average points scored per game! Pretty awesome!

[wimbo_pro]

Great work, as usual!

[WOS87]

It definitely shows the decline in defense and the ascendancy of offense over the past 20-30 years.

Only 4 teams from the past 10 years are ranked in the top 100 in Defense (2 from Celina and 2 from Alto) whereas 48 teams from the past 10 years are ranked in the top 100 in Offense.

[wimbo_pro]

Is there any way I can get this in Excel format? There are many questions and angles I would love to look at...I dont want to bother you with asking for each one!

[WOS87]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Is there any way I can get this in Excel format? There are many questions and angles I would love to look at...I dont want to bother you with asking for each one!

Click Here --->Excel File (http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/stats/statechampcompare.xls)

You may have to right click and "save target as..."

[wimbo_pro]

Thanks...and yes, WOW to Gilmer 2009. impressive across the board! Sheesh!!!

[banderafan]

WOW! Thank goodness for Sulphur Springs, or Bandera would have the worst defense EVER among state title winners! Not bad on offense though.

[wimbo_pro]

What does OA# and Cls# stand for?

[WOS87]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
What does OA# and Cls# stand for?

OA# = Overall Ranking (1 through 384)
Cls# = Ranking in Classification (Classifications are divided into 1st largest, 2nd largest, 3rd largest, 4th largest and 5th largest - which is the number in Column B)

[Txbroadcaster]

A fun stat thing to do...See how the State Champs scored regular season compared to Play-offs and how much they gave up points wise in regular season compared to Play-offs

[WOS87]

Here's the schedule and results of the 1975 Big Sandy team...

1975 Big Sandy (14-0-0) Class B State Champs (equivalent to 1A today)

Winona 43-0
Pineland Sabine 54-0
Union Grove 66-0
Hawkins 55-7
Como-Pickton 63-0
Union Hill 60-0
Big Sandy Harmony 73-0
Leverett's Chapel 62-0
Mount Enterprise 71-0
Price Carlisle 91-0

Bi-D: Corsicana Mildred 65-6
Quarters: Axtell 55-0
Semis: Moody 38-0
Finals: Groom 28-2

Overall: 824 pts scored, 15 pts allowed

They STILL hold the record for total points scored in a full season in UIL 11-man football with 824 DESPITE only playing 14 games that season.

Celina 2005 and Southlake Carroll 1992 are tied for 2nd with 803 pts scored (BOTH playing 16 games to achieve that total)

[wimbo_pro]

Looking at only 3A....There are 72 champions over the years.

Averaging all three rankings seen at the beginning of this thread (Points for, Points against and margin of victories)

Daingerfield '83 is over all #1 (we all knew that)

BUT...

Looking at only this decade....

#6 2002 Everman
#9 2001 Everman
#10 2007 Celina
#13 2003 Gainesville
#19 2009 Gilmer
#22 2007 Liberty Hill
#26 2005 Wimberley
#30 2004 Gilmer
#32 2008 Carthage
#37 2000 Gateville
#39 2008 Prosper
#43 2007 Liberty Hill
#45 2000 La Grange
#53 2009 Carthage
#55 2001 Commerce
#59 2005 Tatum
#63 2002 Bandera
#64 2003 Atlanta
#71 2004 Abilene Wylie
#72 2006 Liberty Eylau

[bigwood33]

Class B school with 2 former NFL players and 2 more Division 1 players...pretty dang tough!

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
A fun stat thing to do...See how the State Champs scored regular season compared to Play-offs and how much they gave up points wise in regular season compared to Play-offs I would sure like to see how they stack up playoffs only.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by LE Dad
I would sure like to see how they stack up playoffs only.

I definitely have the data to do it but it's not compiled in an appropriate way to easily look at that currently. Would take a while.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by WOS87
I definitely have the data to do it but it's not compiled in an appropriate way to easily look at that currently. Would take a while.

I see that, WOS87...its not broken down that way. However, since I took the meaning of the thread to be the "team" over all, that means the entire season. Once you start chopping it down to 5 or 6 games, I think you dont have enough to really get a true reading on the "team".

With that said, I too would like to see it, because Wimberley would jump way up the rankings!! We absolutely rocked in the play offs in 05!

[WOS87]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I see that, WOS87...its not broken down that way. However, since I took the meaning of the thread to be the "team" over all, that means the entire season. Once you start chopping it down to 5 or 6 games, I think you dont have enough to really get a true reading on the "team".

With that said, I too would like to see it, because Wimberley would jump way up the rankings!! We absolutely rocked in the play offs in 05!

Yes you did! WO-S can definitely attest to that :(

[wimbo_pro]

Sorry Liberty Hill fans...I have a typo in there...2006 Liberty Hill is #43. As we all know, your 2006 team does not rank as high as your 2007 team, due to your early season performance in 2006.

#6 2002 Everman
#9 2001 Everman
#10 2007 Celina
#13 2003 Gainesville
#19 2009 Gilmer
#22 2007 Liberty Hill
#26 2005 Wimberley
#30 2004 Gilmer
#32 2008 Carthage
#37 2000 Gateville
#39 2008 Prosper
#43 2006 Liberty Hill
#45 2000 La Grange
#53 2009 Carthage
#55 2001 Commerce
#59 2005 Tatum
#63 2002 Bandera
#64 2003 Atlanta
#71 2004 Abilene Wylie
#72 2006 Liberty Eylau

[wimbo_pro]

A couple of other stats I found interesting (regarding 3A State Champions only)...

The #1 all time 3A "points scored per game" leader is 2009 Gilmer!!! 52.13 points per game!

The lowest (#72) "points scored per game" was 1979 McKinney at 20.07 per game average.

The #1 all time 3A "points allowed per game" leader is 1983 Daingerfield at .5 points allowed per game.

The highest (#72) "points allowed per game" was 2002 Bandera at 22.13

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by WOS87
I definitely have the data to do it but it's not compiled in an appropriate way to easily look at that currently. Would take a while. It's no big deal. Just lsomething I would like to see sometime.

Great job as always:clap: :clap:

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by LE Dad
It's no big deal. Just lsomething I would like to see sometime.

Great job as always:clap: :clap:

LH stacks up pretty well when looking at all 72 3A champions.

4th best "average points scored" ranking in 2007 at 45.93

11th best "average points scored" ranking in 2006 at 41.80

However, they rank #71 (2nd to last) in "points allowed per game" in 2006 at 20.87...just a bit better than 2002 Bandera.

LH improved in 2007 to 64th in "points allowed per game" with 14.29

[WOS87]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
LH stacks up pretty well when looking at all 72 3A champions.

4th best "average points scored" ranking in 2007 at 45.93

11th best "average points scored" ranking in 2006 at 41.80

However, they rank #71 (2nd to last) in "points allowed per game" in 2006 at 20.87...just a bit better than 2002 Bandera.

LH improved in 2007 to 64th in "points allowed per game" with 14.29

Like I was saying before, defense is either a lost art or at the very least defensive strategy has not been able to keep up with new offensive strategy. I imagine the Spread had a lot to do with that, especially since it hasn't filtered down to the lower classifications yet and it's the lower classifications who are the ones still putting up strong defensive stats.

NO 5A, 4A or 3A team from the past 10 years is in the top 100 in the defensive stats.

2003 GP North Shore is #101 and they are neck and neck with 1985 Houston Yates for best 5A team of all-time according to most folks.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by WOS87
Like I was saying before, defense is either a lost art or at the very least defensive strategy has not been able to keep up with new offensive strategy. I imagine the Spread had a lot to do with that, especially since it hasn't filtered down to the lower classifications yet and it's the lower classifications who are the ones still putting up strong defensive stats.

NO 5A, 4A or 3A team from the past 10 years is in the top 100 in the defensive stats.

2003 GP North Shore is #101 and they are neck and neck with 1985 Houston Yates for best 5A team of all-time according to most folks.

I noticed that! I guess its the chicken-or-the-egg question...Is it that defenses arent keeping up? Or is it that the rule changes allowing more "freedom" to offenses have allowed more scoring? I bet you'll remember back in our day (I assume we are close in age) that an offensive blocker had to keep his hands off the defender, actually training us to block with our hands grasping our own jerseys so as not to get a holding penalty. There is so much more too.

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I noticed that! I guess its the chicken-or-the-egg question...Is it that defenses arent keeping up? Or is it that the rule changes allowing more "freedom" to offenses have allowed more scoring? I bet you'll remember back in our day (I assume we are close in age) that an offensive blocker had to keep his hands off the defender, actually training us to block with our hands grasping our own jerseys so as not to get a holding penalty. There is so much more too. True, there is no such thing as holding now days unless you assualt someone. Todays game is more about offense. Good or bad that is the way it is.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by LE Dad
True, there is no such thing as holding now days unless you assualt someone. Todays game is more about offense. Good or bad that is the way it is.

But to win, you must be able to stop the opponent. No one knows that more than Liberty Hill. Once they got their act together defensively...BAMMMM....2 rings.

[Txbroadcaster]

I dont think offenses are that much better..I think offenses running the spread either score quick or give up the ball quick...meaning MORE chances..More chances means well just that.

Give an offense 30 plays agianst a solid D and they prob will not score as much as an offense that has 60 plays

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I dont think offenses are that much better..I think offenses running the spread either score quick or give up the ball quick...meaning MORE chances..More chances means well just that.

Give an offense 30 plays agianst a solid D and they prob will not score as much as an offense that has 60 plays

Yet the passing records have been repeatedly broken pretty much non-stop over the past 30 years... You can almost assume that the current record will be broken within the next 2 or 3 seasons if not sooner the way things have gone lately.

As for rushing and defensive records... not so much. Kenneth Hall STILL holds most of the records dating back from the early 1950's in regards to rushing.

Current HS All-Time Single Season Passing Records thru 2008 (from Smoaky)

4,858 – GARRETT GILBERT, Lake Travis, 2008
4,827 – GARRETT GILBERT, Lake Travis, 2007
4,822 – CHASE WASSON, Southlake Carroll, 2002
4,804 – GRAHAM HARRELL, Ennis, 2003
4,728 – TYRIK ROLLISON, Sulphur Springs, 2008
4,697 – KELAN LUKER, Stephenville, 1998
4,682 – GREG McELROY, Southlake Carroll, 2005
4,678 – PHILLIP DAUGHERTY, Bridgeport, 2001
4,672 – CHASE DANIEL, Southlake Carroll, 2004
4,546 – WES WOOD, Muleshoe, 2008
4,495 – SCOTTY YOUNG, Denton Ryan, 2008
4,477 – PATRICK HUTKA, Rogers, 1997
4,302 – WES WOOD, Muleshoe, 2008
4,284 – CHRIS SANDERS, Flower Mound Marcus, 1995
4,255 – GARY JOE (GJ) KINNE, Canton, 2005
4,244 – SPENCER STACK, Flower Mound Marcus, 1997
4,237 – RILEY DODGE, Southlake Carroll, 2006
4,179 – LUPE RODRIGUEZ, Mission, 1987
4,130 – KELLEN HAYNES, Crosby, 2003
4,098 – MANUEL JOHNSON, Gilmer, 2004


Only 1 listed up there from more than 13 years ago

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by WOS87
Yet the passing records have been repeatedly broken pretty much non-stop over the past 30 years... You can almost assume that the current record will be broken within the next 2 or 3 seasons if not sooner the way things have gone lately.

As for rushing and defensive records... not so much. Kenneth Hall STILL holds most of the records dating back from the early 1950's in regards to rushing.

Current HS All-Time Single Season Passing Records thru 2008 (from Smoaky)

4,858 – GARRETT GILBERT, Lake Travis, 2008
4,827 – GARRETT GILBERT, Lake Travis, 2007
4,822 – CHASE WASSON, Southlake Carroll, 2002
4,804 – GRAHAM HARRELL, Ennis, 2003
4,728 – TYRIK ROLLISON, Sulphur Springs, 2008
4,697 – KELAN LUKER, Stephenville, 1998
4,682 – GREG McELROY, Southlake Carroll, 2005
4,678 – PHILLIP DAUGHERTY, Bridgeport, 2001
4,672 – CHASE DANIEL, Southlake Carroll, 2004
4,546 – WES WOOD, Muleshoe, 2008
4,495 – SCOTTY YOUNG, Denton Ryan, 2008
4,477 – PATRICK HUTKA, Rogers, 1997
4,302 – WES WOOD, Muleshoe, 2008
4,284 – CHRIS SANDERS, Flower Mound Marcus, 1995
4,255 – GARY JOE (GJ) KINNE, Canton, 2005
4,244 – SPENCER STACK, Flower Mound Marcus, 1997
4,237 – RILEY DODGE, Southlake Carroll, 2006
4,179 – LUPE RODRIGUEZ, Mission, 1987
4,130 – KELLEN HAYNES, Crosby, 2003
4,098 – MANUEL JOHNSON, Gilmer, 2004


Only 1 listed up there from more than 20 years ago


Throwing more does not equate to better..just again equates to MORE chances...instead of having talented Big OL and stud RBs..now Texas has talented all around SKILL players..just an evolution of the player inside the offense

When the wishbone was spreading thru all levels, scoring was up, yardage was up..then teams saw it more and more and more and defended it better

I think that is starting to happen more and more with the spread

[bobcat4life]

Wes Wood from Muleshoe was listed twice for the 2008 season-4,302 yards and 4,546 yards:thinking: :doh:

[Eagle 1]

Originally posted by WOS87
It definitely shows the decline in defense and the ascendancy of offense over the past 20-30 years.

Only 4 teams from the past 10 years are ranked in the top 100 in Defense (2 from Celina and 2 from Alto) whereas 48 teams from the past 10 years are ranked in the top 100 in Offense.

Goldthwaite prides their championships on their defense.
We had 8 shutouts this year (really 9 but the ref gave San Saba a TD on the last play of the game)
With 8 starters on defense returning next year, we should have another good season.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by bobcat4life
Wes Wood from Muleshoe was listed twice for the 2008 season-4,302 yards and 4,546 yards:thinking: :doh:

Those aren't stats I actually compiled. I don't usually track records of individual players as that would exponentially increase the amount of data I'd have to keep up with. I know Wes Wood hit 4302 yards after Muleshoe's win over Pilot Point in 2008 so they probably forgot to delete that record when they updated it to the 4546 yards that he had at the end of the 2008 season.

[wimbo_pro]

I can't thank you enough for the data, WOS87. I have manipulated it, sorted it, spun it, flipped it, arranged it...all in an effort to prove Wimberley was the best champion EVER in the history of 3A state Championships. No matter what I do, that damned Daingerfield keeps popping up as #1. I think the data is flawed.

[bobcat4life]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I can't thank you enough for the data, WOS87. I have manipulated it, sorted it, spun it, flipped it, arranged it...all in an effort to prove Wimberley was the best champion EVER in the history of 3A state Championships. No matter what I do, that damned Daingerfield keeps popping up as #1. I think the data is flawed.
the 1983 Daingerfield team was the best ever. that defense was too good.

[Additup]

Originally posted by WOS87
defense is either a lost art or at the very least defensive strategy has not been able to keep up with new offensive strategy...

Offenses aren't better and defenses aren't worse, but rather simply games are involving MORE POSSESSIONS because of incomplete passes per game being thrown (very often by BOTH teams involved). Game clock stops and reslults in an increase in BOTH scoring on offense and points given up on defense.

If both teams pass, the game will be 12-15 possessions implying good offense and bad defense. If both teams run, the game will be 7-8 possessions implying good defense and bad offense.

If you want to find out a true measure of a offense or defense it's POINTS PER POSSESSION not per game, but no one keeps stats on that. Margin of victory is a great measure of a team.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by Additup
Margin of victory is a great measure of a team.

But there are problems with margins-of-victories too. There are teams who do not put in 2nd string, who do not rest when they are way ahead, and that actually run up the score. On the other side, there are the vast majority of teams who, when up 3 or 4 TD's in the 3rd and 4th Q's, actually put in a lot of 2nd/3rd string.

And of course, we all know about teams who are getting killed that also pull starters for obvious reasons.

[Additup]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
But there are problems with margins-of-victories too...
No doubt as you pointed out.

[WOS87]

Thread re-opened by request

[Eagle 1]

Thanks again.

Brownwood may move into that 3rd spot in the first column.

[wimbo_pro]

Look at Liberty Hill in the Top25 with the "out-dated and antiquated" offense. LOL

[pirate4state]

I wasn't paying attention to the date and seeing LE Dad's post threw me for a loop! :(

[ccmom]

Originally posted by pirate4state
I wasn't paying attention to the date and seeing LE Dad's post threw me for a loop! :(

The same thing happened to me last night when I read this thread. :(

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by pirate4state
I wasn't paying attention to the date and seeing LE Dad's post threw me for a loop! :( Yep got me last night...........

[Eagle 1]

I guess we all noticed that. :(

[OldNavy]

Out of the 384 or 383 championships, there are only 209 0r 210 teams that posses all of them. I think Ft. Worth Masonic Home is on the list but does not actually own a title.

I know that there were not the 1200 plus schools in the 1920s like there are today, and there were not as many championships as there are today, but still, that is a big majority of schools that do not own a championship, or even a co-championship. There are 20 co-champions. Actually, only 19 as Cleburne has two co-championship titles.

In 3A D1 there will be a new champion added to this list, as niether Henderson nor Chapel Hill have won previously.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by OldNavy


In 3A D1 there will be a new champion added to this list, as niether Henderson nor Chapel Hill have won previously.

Chapel Hill does have a title in 1989

[OldNavy]

You are right, I am sorry about that, I was looking for Chapel Hill but it is on the list as "Tyler Chapel Hill." So, even here we have another possibility of a repeat champion.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by OldNavy
You are right, I am sorry about that, I was looking for Chapel Hill but it is on the list as "Tyler Chapel Hill." So, even here we have another possibility of a repeat champion. I think it is way more than a possibility. lol