Field Goal Question

[wimbo_pro]

Don't know why I thought of it, but I gotta question regarding field goals...

Can a defender "block" a field goal attempt right at the goal post? I know this might be a little silly...but imagine a 55+ yard field goal attempt that is being made for the game winner...and there is a defender standing under the goal post who can swat away anything that barely clears the crossbar (it's only 10' high, correct?). Many field goals at this distance just barely clear. Is this allowed? If not, what if blocks it and then catches it before it hits the ground? We all know you can return field goal attempts if they fall short.

[BaseballUmp]

That's one i would definately like to see!!!

[BwdLion_80]

Goaltending since the ball was on the way down! :thinking: :doh: :p :p :D

[sinfan75]

Yes they can and you better have your highest leaper to block it.

[Looking4number8]

Another field goal question I have is on a fake FG the holder always takes the snap with his knee on the ground, why is it that he can get up and run or throw the ball. Isnt he already down?

[dawg4life]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Another field goal question I have is on a fake FG the holder always takes the snap with his knee on the ground, why is it that he can get up and run or throw the ball. Isnt he already down?

Haven't we discussed this time in and time out? i mean i dont know it...but we still ask about it

[wimbo_pro]

There are many players on every pro/college team that can swat away a ball at 10 feet (plus a little bit).

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
There are many players on every pro/college team that can swat away a ball at 10 feet (plus a little bit). Im pretty sure you would have to be standing in bounds to do it so the ball if it was going to be good would pass you at the least 12 or 13 feet.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Another field goal question I have is on a fake FG the holder always takes the snap with his knee on the ground, why is it that he can get up and run or throw the ball. Isnt he already down?
No. There is a rule in place for this.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Im pretty sure you would have to be standing in bounds to do it so the ball if it was going to be good would pass you at the least 12 or 13 feet.

i dunno, Eagles. I think the crossbar is actually directly above the boundry line. A 6'-something, athletic stud could easily swat away a ball (or at least tip one away) that was barely making it.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
i dunno, Eagles. I think the crossbar is actually directly above the boundry line. A 6'-something, athletic stud could easily swat away a ball (or at least tip one away) that was barely making it. I guess it is kind of like robbing a baseball at the wall takes a great athlete and great timing.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
I guess it is kind of like robbing a baseball at the wall takes a great athlete and great timing.

True...but there are plenty out there that fit that description.

Back to the original question...would it be legal?

[TexMike]

The batting of the kick would be illegal. The bat occurs in the end zone which makes it a foul. You cannot bat a loose ball (and a kick is a loose ball) in any direction in the end zone.

There is an exception to the rules regarding when a ball becomes dead that permits the holder of a placekick to be "down" without being DOWN as long as there is a player in position to kick a place kick or who has just faked making one.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by TexMike
The batting of the kick would be illegal. The bat occurs in the end zone which makes it a foul. You cannot bat a loose ball (and a kick is a loose ball) in any direction in the end zone.



OK..but what if he tips it then catches it as it falls into the end zone? Would that be legal?

[TexMike]

Very good! If the official judges the guy was trying to catch the kick but just muffed it, perfectly legal. It would reslt in a touchback.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by TexMike
Very good! If the official judges the guy was trying to catch the kick but just muffed it, perfectly legal. It would reslt in a touchback.

Ok...then why do you think no one tries it with a long FG on the way and the game on the line?

[TexMike]

For the same reason why on a KO where the ball is getting close to the sideline, receivers will just watch it roll , hoping it will go out of bounds, instead of just stepping out of bounds and then reaching in to pick up the ball. Lack of rules knowledge by players and , more importantly, by coaches.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by TexMike
For the same reason why on a KO where the ball is getting close to the sideline, receivers will just watch it roll , hoping it will go out of bounds, instead of just stepping out of bounds and then reaching in to pick up the ball. Lack of rules knowledge by players and , more importantly, by coaches.

Good point, the stepping out of bounds thing.

[scrub c]

Originally posted by TexMike
For the same reason why on a KO where the ball is getting close to the sideline, receivers will just watch it roll , hoping it will go out of bounds, instead of just stepping out of bounds and then reaching in to pick up the ball. Lack of rules knowledge by players and , more importantly, by coaches.


HUH????
You cant go out of bounds and grab the ball on the field of play.

[TexMike]

Oh yes you can. It makes the ball dead immediately though. And if you do it on the kickoff it makes the kick a kick out of bounds which is a foul on the kicking team.

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by TexMike
For the same reason why on a KO where the ball is getting close to the sideline, receivers will just watch it roll , hoping it will go out of bounds, instead of just stepping out of bounds and then reaching in to pick up the ball. Lack of rules knowledge by players and , more importantly, by coaches.

I saw someone do that a year or two ago...can't remember if it was college or NFL, but the announcers were talking about what a smart move it was.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Maroon87
I saw someone do that a year or two ago...can't remember if it was college or NFL, but the announcers were talking about what a smart move it was.
Think it was Josh Cribbs

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by TexMike
Oh yes you can. It makes the ball dead immediately though. And if you do it on the kickoff it makes the kick a kick out of bounds which is a foul on the kicking team.

thats a stupid rule. Very stupid rule. Where is it in the rule book? WHat happened to going out of bounds and then being the first person to touch the ball? Why doesnt this hold up here?

We had officials that cant get small things,,,very small things right.....im sure they knew about this rule though....

[Bullaholic]

Here's one I have always wondered about---Why do teams kick an onside kick off of the tee and on the ground? Can you use the punter to kick the ball sky high and shallow? Seems like the odds of recovering a jump ball under these conditions would be even better.

I'm going to answer my own question---I think you have to use a tee or kick the ball off the ground on all but punts and a safety,

[TexMike]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
thats a stupid rule. Very stupid rule. WHat happened to going out of bounds and then being the first person to touch the ball? Why doesnt this hold up here?

We had officials that cant get small things,,,very small things right.....im sure they knew about this rule though....

Well I bet most officials don't confuse basketball and football rules. There is no rule in football that prevents a defensive team player from going out of bounds and being first to touch the ball. In fact, that rule only applies to offensive receivers who go out. They are not allowed to touch a legal forward pass until the defense has touched it. But that is the only restriction.

[TexMike]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Here's one I have always wondered about---Why do teams kick an onside kick off of the tee and on the ground? Can you use the punter to kick the ball sky high and shallow? Seems like the odds of recovering a jump ball under these conditions would be even better.

I'm going to answer my own question---I think you have to use a tee or kick the ball off the ground on all but punts and a safety,

good answer! Can we get you to join a local Chapter? You are ready!

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Here's one I have always wondered about---Why do teams kick an onside kick off of the tee and on the ground? Can you use the punter to kick the ball sky high and shallow? Seems like the odds of recovering a jump ball under these conditions would be even better.

I'm going to answer my own question---I think you have to use a tee or kick the ball off the ground on all but punts and a safety,
And the receiving team would just call fair catch.

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Think it was Josh Cribbs

That sounds right...:thinking:

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Here's one I have always wondered about---Why do teams kick an onside kick off of the tee and on the ground? Can you use the punter to kick the ball sky high and shallow? Seems like the odds of recovering a jump ball under these conditions would be even better.

I'm going to answer my own question---I think you have to use a tee or kick the ball off the ground on all but punts and a safety,

Good question...and I once heard that you have the option after a safety to either punt of place kick the ball. Is this true, or am I dreaming?

[wimbo_pro]

Found the answer...you can either punt, drop kick or place kick without a tee after a safety. So i guess they can't kick without a tee as far as a punt?

[Bullaholic]

TexMike---You ever eject anybody other than a player from a game? What kind of authority do you have if an offender refuses to leave the stadium after ejection? Does threatening an official carry any more penalties other than just the criminal charges?

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
TexMike---You ever eject anybody other than a player from a game? What kind of authority do you have if an offender refuses to leave the stadium after ejection? Does threatening an official carry any more penalties other than just the criminal charges?

TexMike...also, is it inappropriate to offer "under the table" payment to refs before the game using American Express cards? i know they charge a higher percentage than does, lets say, MasterCard...but I find it more convenient as we here in Wimberley work hard to keep our "homer call" reputation in tact.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
TexMike...also, is it inappropriate to offer "under the table" payment to refs before the game using American Express cards? i know they charge a higher percentage than does, lets say, MasterCard...but I find it more convenient as we here in Wimberley work hard to keep our "homer call" reputation in tact. I KNEW IT !!!!! :D :D :D

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
I KNEW IT !!!!! :D :D :D

Wow...I thought that was sent as a private message....

[TexMike]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
TexMike...also, is it inappropriate to offer "under the table" payment to refs before the game using American Express cards? i know they charge a higher percentage than does, lets say, MasterCard...but I find it more convenient as we here in Wimberley work hard to keep our "homer call" reputation in tact.
Like anyone in Wimberley even has an American Express card!!!!

[TexMike]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
TexMike---You ever eject anybody other than a player from a game? What kind of authority do you have if an offender refuses to leave the stadium after ejection? Does threatening an official carry any more penalties other than just the criminal charges?

I have never ejected anyone except a player. Others are subject to being ejected only if they fall under the jurisdiction of the officials, i.e. coaches, team officials, trainers, cheerleaders, mascots, etc. Simple fans do not fall under the jurisdiction. All we can do is request game administration (or the local law) deal with those kinds of folks.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by TexMike
Like anyone in Wimberley even has an American Express card!!!!

Ohhhh...that hurt. That really hurt. LOL

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by TexMike
Well I bet most officials don't confuse basketball and football rules. There is no rule in football that prevents a defensive team player from going out of bounds and being first to touch the ball. In fact, that rule only applies to offensive receivers who go out. They are not allowed to touch a legal forward pass until the defense has touched it. But that is the only restriction.

basketball and football rules? what are you talking about?

[TexMike]

Basketball has rules about players who go out of bounds and then have to "re-establish" themselves before they can legally participate. Football does not have that rule,

[shamu85]

Originally posted by TexMike
I have never ejected anyone except a player. Others are subject to being ejected only if they fall under the jurisdiction of the officials, i.e. coaches, team officials, trainers, cheerleaders, mascots, etc. . Simple fans do not fall under the jurisdiction. All we can do is request game administration (or the local law) deal with those kinds of folks

Is this true for basketball, too?

Simple=Gump? j/k:D

[TexMike]

Not sure I have heard about fans being booted from gyms so maybe different for them

[GrTigers6]

I've seen the referees go to the School Officials and have them ask them to leave at basketball games.

[BwdLion_80]

Game administrators are supposed to be the ones that make any trouble makers leave the gym. Not saying that it works that way all the time, but that is the way it is supposed to work.